Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[Luca Blight]

Pretty sure your vote wasn't RVS, NSG.

And if we need something concrete to lynch Jay then no wonder he always wins as scum - his posting is by and large irrelevant.

[jmo16mla]

@jmo, when you can, could you give some reads on a few people with, at the very least, brief explanations? I skim read your iso and you seem a little like a closed book in that aspect.

Yeah, so I'm going to be honest, I really don't have any right now.

Ive liked math for town the entire game, hes posting a lot and contributing to the game. I would like to see him later on in the game to see if I can really trust him.

Gamma is meh.

golden paradox could be scum, who knows.

Gamma just made a good post about jay vote hopping and thats particularly what i look for when looking for scum, so im down with that vote for now. so.

[northsidegal]

not sure what you're suggesting
there are multiple lynch candidates who have avoided the aneninen wagon when they easily could've jumped on to force it to be the default end-of-day wagon
scum should've been sheeping this long ago

you're right, i thought the current wagons looked different than they actually did – i thought anen was sitting at close to L-0 or something.

Pretty sure your vote wasn't RVS, NSG.

And if we need something concrete to lynch Jay then no wonder he always wins as scum - his posting is by and large irrelevant.

i meant "since the early game".

it's not impossible to get concrete reasons to lynch him, as scum – i had him locked as scum in the last game we played together.

[northsidegal]

golden paradox could be scum, who knows.

what makes you say this?

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: jmo

Feel better about my vote being here.

This looks like a serious vote TBH

Pedit.

Ah.

We played in a game together?

[jmo16mla]

golden paradox could be scum, who knows.

what makes you say this?

He voted me earlier and I didn't really like his reasoning. I dont have a case against the guy and have missed 20 pages of the game, so Who knows"

[northsidegal]

jmo, i was referring to jay with that second line there.

[Luca Blight]

Meh. I can compromise on this.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Anen

[jmo16mla]

jmo, i was referring to jay with that second line there.

Yeah, I don't know why I read that as if you were talking to me.

[Mathdino]

okay guys this is really not okay
i want us to get one out of two of our lynches done within the next 36 hours

Votecount 1.5

Aneninen(4)

~ Almost50(51), JaydragonKing(80), Mathdino(218), Luca Blight(159)

jmo16mla(3)

~ northsidegal(53), Creature(80), Gamma Emerald(168)

mutantdevle(2)

~ Aneninen(41), Pinturicchio(48)

Mathdino(1)

~ TheGoldenParadox(38)

JaydragonKing(1)

~ jmo16mla(57)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ mutantdevle(71)


Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-13 13:20:00)

@Paradox:

A50 and I are never getting D1 lynched. You know better than to park a vote there with the deadline coming up. You've made your statement, you got your reactions. Move your vote.

@mutant:

bro unless you have a fantastic case on Gamma, that vote is really not useful

@Creats:

I feel like jmo is town. Did you feel differently from his ISO or are you voting for lurking?

@NSG:

are you really going to stick by your "never going to vote anyone unless i want to murder them on the spot" playstyle when we need 2 wagons for claims

@jmo:

NSG's right about Jay, regardless of her alignment. If you're having trouble getting reads, then just sheep your strongest townread.

I feel like this town is too resistant to sheeping, which is ironic considering most of them can't get any reads on half the playerlist.

Edit: thanks luca, updated VC to reflect vote

[northsidegal]

@NSG: are you really going to stick by your "never going to vote anyone unless i want to murder them on the spot" playstyle when we need 2 wagons for claims

hey! i'm just thinking, alright?

[jmo16mla]

@jmo: NSG's right about Jay, regardless of her alignment. If you're having trouble getting reads, then just sheep your strongest townread.

Yeah, ill be honest. Playing in bigger games is a little harder for me than micro games.

I'm pretty much sheeping you right now.

Can you link me to a post where you think aneninen is scum? ill look at the post where you voted them, but if youve got anything else you want me to see, link that to me please.

[pinturicchio]

jay trusts my abilities and sheeps me unless he doesn't

idk i mean jay's entire scumgame has historically been "sheep dino as long as he wagons someone who's not me or my scumpartner"

so jay is probably scum if aneninen flips scum but outside of that it's not scummy

we should just lynch aneninen

Dino, could you explain me why Jay would be scum if Aneninen is scum? I don't see the relation, and Jay could be scum even if Aneninen flips town, so I don't see your point.

[Mathdino]

@pintu: i no longer believe that so that would be counterproductive
at the time it was basically that jay acted like he was willing to sheep me but kept avoiding the aneninen wagon

[northsidegal]

aneninen, i need a readslist from you whenever you see this.

[pinturicchio]

Ok, thank you. I was not ok voting for Aneninen if that implied risking Jay, as I'm not scumreading her.
VOTE: Aneninen

[mutantdevle]

Honestly, I thought there was at least 1 other person still on Gamma with me... I still don't understand why everyone unvoted Gamma tbh. It was like you unvoted because you didn't explicitly town read those of us on the wagon (which is fair enough I guess) and then it was like everyone else on that wagon was like "oh shit, that means he suspects us, better get off before we get scum read by math!" so that's something worth revisiting later if Gamma flips.

My problem with the Anen wagon is that there is indeed a distinct lack of a case which I'm not too comfortable with. I get scummy vibes from him myself but I've never really been able to place that into any substance and he's remained just a tone read for me. Does anyone share that sentiment? Though yeah, I do tend to be a sheep resistant player (I wouldn't say I have a lack of reads though).

VOTE: Aneninen

Does anyone actually have a case here though?

Pedit: That's L-1...

[mutantdevle]

I feel like unvoting...

[mutantdevle]

Ok, thank you. I was not ok voting for Aneninen if that implied risking Jay, as I'm not scumreading her.
VOTE: Aneninen

This vote makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't get why you'd be basing your vote on Anen on Jay getting scum read if he flipped scum by 1 player...?

[mutantdevle]

And how can you be so certain that Anen's flip would have any impact on Jay anyway?

[mutantdevle]

Okay I'm happy with my vote.

[northsidegal]

Anyone up for a last minute pintu wagon?

i still scumread the way anen talked about the whole math/luca interaction but i compared his iso this game to his iso in his last scumgame and i think they feel pretty different.

[northsidegal]

Okay I'm happy with my vote.

what suddenly made you happy with your vote there?

[Luca Blight]

Care to share the differences?

[Luca Blight]

Ok, thank you. I was not ok voting for Aneninen if that implied risking Jay, as I'm not scumreading her.
VOTE: Aneninen

This pings me as well - not only is it strange logic to not vote Anen, but I don't feel he has a good enough reason to '

not scumread

' Jay to justify such a stance.