I responded NAI to "Taly voting doom over A50". My TGP vote is unrelated to this response.In post 172, Kopherald wrote:In post 169, Creature wrote:NAIIn post 149, TheGoldenParadox wrote:You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?
FoS TalyHi Creature,
I'd just like some clarification here to make sure I get what you are saying with the first post, which then leads to the second.
Does the NAI refer to TGP's post, or to Taly's reads/vote? Because when I read the first by itself, it reads like you are referring to TGP's post.
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Okay.In post 175, Creature wrote:
I responded NAI to "Taly voting doom over A50". My TGP vote is unrelated to this response.In post 172, Kopherald wrote:In post 169, Creature wrote:
NAIIn post 149, TheGoldenParadox wrote:You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?
FoS TalyHi Creature,
I'd just like some clarification here to make sure I get what you are saying with the first post, which then leads to the second.
Does the NAI refer to TGP's post, or to Taly's reads/vote? Because when I read the first by itself, it reads like you are referring to TGP's post.
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I agree with you on the NAI part, then.
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I liked neither Doomfeathers's, nor Shadpearl's townreading for something I found scummy.In post 50, Kopherald wrote:
Please explain this, Pigeonman.In post 47, Aneninen wrote:
If Doomfeathers is scum, Shadpearl is scum too, I guess.In post 43, Shadpearl wrote: I'm actually appreciating Doomfeathers getting the game started and everyone talking. If we kill him, couldn't we wait for later?
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I haven't read the Setup thoroughly.In post 56, Kopherald wrote:Let's not forget that there is a SK in this game, so in reality, they both could be scum, but not on the same team.
So if your saying both are scum, I'm assuming your thinking along the lines of, possible team mates, one mafia, and one SK?
That's a typical Aneninen-tell. I wonder why it's not mentioned on the Wiki yet.
No surprise. At that time my ISO consisted of 4 posts. What sort of read did you want to gain out of those?In post 58, Taly wrote:Mmm, my read on you is still unclear.
Lalendra's 67 sounded scummy. Gut-read.
Doomfeathers's 75 is a readlist... but it's too detailed compared to it's early-ness.
Creature sounds different to his town-game. I don't know why, but it reminds me of Mastina a bit. (The short-poster one, not the wall one.)
What have I missed?In post 102, Kopherald wrote:
The weird thing is, I have been taking the word of others that you were active, but you weren't, I checked a few minutes ago.In post 100, Creature wrote:
My self-reminder to wagon this.In post 62, Lalendra wrote:Yeah it's been a whole day and he's been active elsewhere
Any explanation, Lalendra?
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Speculative.In post 113, Almost50 wrote:Would lynch either of Creature/doomfeathers right now. The associative tells are unbearably obvious there.
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Weird... I had a kind of similar feeling.In post 139, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Okay then.
One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum. If A50 is town, the other two are probably scum. If A50 is scum, the other two are probably town.
VOTE: Almost50
Taly's 148. If both Doomfeathers and Almost50 are town, Taly's scum.
Not town-ish.
What if Paradox was right?In post 158, Kopherald wrote:I've decided I don't need a response.
VOTE: TGP
This looks like his scum game to me. I've seen it before.
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Answer: Kopherald might be scum with any of those.
Texcat's play is different to her townplay.
In post 168, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
This wagon has more momentum than Shadpearl and 139 is still really, really, really, bad.I know I like nothing in this game but I don't like this either.
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What if I told you I was Masons with Kopherald (figuratively, of course), would you take my word for it?In post 180, Aneninen wrote:Too little effort I've taken, I know.
But right now I think any of these players could be scum: Almost50, Shadpearl, Lalendra, Doomfeathers, Texcat, Kopherald, Creature.
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Pro-tip: This is an open game. I'll let you figure this one out from here.
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NVM. I was just trying to help.
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I still don't get it, are you say it's NAI for Paradox is point the FOS or that it's NAI for Taly to vote Doom over A50?Creature wrote:I responded NAI to "Taly voting doom over A50". My TGP vote is unrelated to this response.
Taly's 167 strikes me as a massive over-reaction to a poor post, hits me as a very (frustrated) townie reaction but it makes me worry about the reads a bit. It's a good point though that Taly puts Doom+A50 as his top reads and cops a FOS from Paradox in return that attempts to derail without actually dealing with any of the accusations against those 2.-
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There is definitely something not right in this pool of players (and I include TGP in a pool of 4 here) I wonder if TGP is trying to discredit A50 here which would suggest a potential defence on creature, but i dont really want to be voting with Doom, however that could also be bussing.In post 139, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Okay then.
One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum. If A50 is town, the other two are probably scum. If A50 is scum, the other two are probably town.
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Actually, what was the point of a painfully obvious fake claim?
It's so obvious that anyone should have said "No, I wouldn't believe that, because I can read." (Pigeonman, please read the first post of this game.)
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If I ever read the Rules and the Setup, everyone would think I were scum.
But, without shytty jokes:
Even I know there are no Masons here.In post 181, Almost50 wrote: What if I told you I was Masons with Kopherald (figuratively, of course), would you take my word for it?-
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Why would he even need to read the first page when I said FIGURATIVELY, OF COURSE. Even if someone hadn't read the setup they would have still got the meaning of my post, which is: I am Town and I believe FIRMLY that your slot is too.In post 189, Kopherald wrote:Actually, what was the point of a painfully obvious fake claim?
It's so obvious that anyone should have said "No, I wouldn't believe that, because I can read." (Pigeonman, please read the first post of this game.)
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This is why I am not the smart head.In post 191, Almost50 wrote:
Why would he even need to read the first page when I said FIGURATIVELY, OF COURSE. Even if someone hadn't read the setup they would have still got the meaning of my post, which is: I am Town and I believe FIRMLY that your slot is too.In post 189, Kopherald wrote:Actually, what was the point of a painfully obvious fake claim?
It's so obvious that anyone should have said "No, I wouldn't believe that, because I can read." (Pigeonman, please read the first post of this game.)
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I'm assuming you mean me? I think the Creature wagon is a good investigative point for us. I'm happy to put my reasoning and actions up against the others on the wagon:Taly wrote:Saldon (Potential Scum) - On the Creature wagon.
There's my reasoning, I then was away for 24 hours and Creature turned up and has been playing well outside his scum-meta, hence I moved off. I also provided pretty clear metrics for why I was meta reading him, and followed those metrics.Sando wrote:
Happened in my last game, literally all of that, so yeah lack of engagement gets my juices flowing on Creature.The guy just hates to play Scum and he either lurks it out until lynched/replaced or posts nonsense on intervals and still gets lynched.
&Lalendra wrote:Yeah it's been a whole day and he's been active elsewhere so I'm voteparking this until/unless something convinces me otherwise.
VOTE: Creature
There's a pretty clear difference here in my eyes, although maybe that's because I'm the other person and know my own motivations. Lalendra was convinced he was scum, I was saying lack of engagement = scum. Here's Shadperl though:Lalendra wrote:Obviously I am still looking for scum, as it's possible Creature is town and there's another explanation - it's not likely though, based on my previous games with him.
So Shadperl to me is intimating that he both doesn't actually know the meta and is responding to the comment that "Creature HATES playing scum", and is actually concerned about the other persons enjoyment of the game more than he thinks Creature is scum...Shadperl wrote:VOTE: Creature
I would hate for someone to be forced to play if they didn't want to, hence my vote.
Then you've got A50, I think his is well understood, he's still meta-reading Creature as scum in some unfathomable way, and both you and me have put reasoning as to why that's just nutso.
So you've got 4 people on the wagon and I think you have 4 very different reasons:
Sando - Just played a game where he lurked the whole time and was replaced and was scum
Lalendra - Creature hasn't posted so he's DEFINITELY scum, then doesn't unvote until page 7. Also apparently lied about Creature's activity? I think that's what Creature was getting at but I wasn't sure.
Shadperl - Basically plays cute and innocent about the vote
A50 - Goes balls to the walls against Creature even once he breaks his scum-meta
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Um... then why don't you respond to the reasons of being voted? Or ask for them?TheGoldenParadox wrote:Here what I'm getting is a lot of people jumping on me at once, which seems extremely opportunistic.
Better yet, why not reply to my response to you 167 or try to justify your reasons of suspicion, and/or your vote onAlmost50."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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What? I'm saying the CreatureTaly wrote:You say that Creature is a good person to investigate, but you're discrediting people that were on the wagon.WAGONis a good investigation point, not Creature himself. I'm agreeing with you that we should look at the people on the wagon.
I'm trying to confirm what Creature is saying is NAI, I posed two possibilities there. "Is it X or is it Y that you find NAI, Creature?"Taly wrote:Creature answers this in 175 I believe. NAI means Not-Alignment-Indicative, right?
Both meta and independent gameplay, which I think I've made fairly clear. He's well outside his scum-meta, and I think apart from some OMGUS I think he's scumhunting quite well and making good reads. Both of these I outline in my attack on A50.Taly wrote:Since your vote has changed, I'm guessing you're now thinking Creature is playing more like town? Is that based on meta or independent thoughts based on gameplay?
Better question; your vote on Creature was RVS. Did you expect a response to that?
I expected Creature to either continue to lurk and confirm himself as scum, or become active and participate in the game and I'd move on from the meta read. One of those has come to pass.
This seems like you're really desperate to read him noobtown and avoid actually looking at him.Taly wrote:But, unlike the three of you, my initial gut read on Shadpearl was noobtown as I stated in 58, since this game marks their first posts on the site.
Shadpearl was also on the Creature wagon. Shadpearl also switched onto the Almost50 wagon once Creature wagon was over, and has not provided any independent reasoning for any of it. I'd say that by any metric, if you're reading me scumlean based on those two things (and a scumlink I think you're saying with Doom) then Shadpearl is worse on the Creature wagon and A50. Yet you read town-noob?Taly wrote:On the Creature wagon. Was not voted by Doomfeathers for the same reason Doomfeathers voted havingfitz. Switched on Almost50 wagon after I discredited the Creature wagon. May have solid reasoning, so this is not a confident read.
Shadpearl has posted 4 times, 1 of which was a nothing post, so 3 actual posts. In those he's done two of the things you're saying is scumlean on me, and I'd say he's done them in a worse manner with basically no independent thought...yet you're falling back on noob-town.-
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Sorry, I misinterpreted that.In post 198, Sando wrote:
What? I'm saying the CreatureTaly wrote:You say that Creature is a good person to investigate, but you're discrediting people that were on the wagon.WAGONis a good investigation point, not Creature himself. I'm agreeing with you that we should look at the people on the wagon.
What reads are good reads to you?In post 198, Sando wrote:
I'm trying to confirm what Creature is saying is NAI, I posed two possibilities there. "Is it X or is it Y that you find NAI, Creature?"Taly wrote:Creature answers this in 175 I believe. NAI means Not-Alignment-Indicative, right?
Both meta and independent gameplay, which I think I've made fairly clear. He's well outside his scum-meta, and I think apart from some OMGUS I think he's scumhunting quite well and making good reads. Both of these I outline in my attack on A50.Taly wrote:Since your vote has changed, I'm guessing you're now thinking Creature is playing more like town? Is that based on meta or independent thoughts based on gameplay?
Better question; your vote on Creature was RVS. Did you expect a response to that?
I expected Creature to either continue to lurk and confirm himself as scum, or become active and participate in the game and I'd move on from the meta read.One of those has come to pass.
@ The bold and underlined part; are you meaning that you haven't gauged the reaction you're expecting fromCreature?
I feel like I'm having trouble following some of your thoughts.
Did you read my readslist, and my response to your previous post?In post 198, Sando wrote:
This seems like you're really desperate to read him noobtown and avoid actually looking at him.Taly wrote:But, unlike the three of you, my initial gut read on Shadpearl was noobtown as I stated in 58, since this game marks their first posts on the site.
No. My gut townread onShadpearldropped around 50 posts ago.
Also, in my readslist, I showed my uncertainty of myShadpearlread, wondering the motivation of his vote and how he works.
I also was suspicious of his vote as well.Taly wrote:I don't like that I voted Doomfeathers, and yet there's suddenly 3 votes against Almost50 when he tries to discredit my reasons.
(Sando, Shadpearl, and TheGoldenParadox)
I can't stay without any flips yet, but I feel like someone is either bussing, dismantling doomfeathers' wagon, or playing opportunistically here.
I'll look into Shadpearl'swagon and an ISO on them in a post or so. I haven't pushed him yet because I've had more attention-grabbing scumreads since then.
In post 198, Sando wrote:
Shadpearl was also on the Creature wagon. Shadpearl also switched onto the Almost50 wagon once Creature wagon was over, and has not provided any independent reasoning for any of it. I'd say that by any metric, if you're reading me scumlean based on those two things (and a scumlink I think you're saying with Doom) then Shadpearl is worse on the Creature wagon and A50. Yet you read town-noob?Taly wrote:On the Creature wagon. Was not voted by Doomfeathers for the same reason Doomfeathers voted havingfitz. Switched on Almost50 wagon after I discredited the Creature wagon. May have solid reasoning, so this is not a confident read.
Shadpearl has posted 4 times, 1 of which was a nothing post, so 3 actual posts. In those he's done two of the things you're saying is scumlean on me, and I'd say he's done them in a worse manner with basically no independent thought...yet you're falling back on noob-town.
Furthermore, don't twist the reason I put you as (Potential Scum). .....
Read what's underlined.Taly wrote:Saldon (Potential Scum)- On theCreaturewagon.Was not voted by. Switched onDoomfeathersfor the same reasonDoomfeathersvotedhavingfitzAlmost50wagon after I discredited theCreaturewagon. May have solid reasoning,.so this is not a confident read
1)I was unsure aboutDoomfeathers'inconsistency in votes in relation to you.
2)Similar to the read onShadpearl, it's not a solid one.
Even now, my read on you is up in the air at the moment. I replied to you so I can have a better idea of your thought process.
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