Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[JaydragonKing]

Maybe if I play shitty enough you'll realize this isn't my scum game?

[Mathdino]

Maybe you'll realise that FMPOV, everything you've done all day has been self-defence rather than actual scumhunting?

[Aneninen]

hey aneninen who's the scum on the a50 wagon
was there scum at all on the pintu wagon
who's the scum on your wagon

do you now have an ounce of faith in my reads and my "manipulation"

o yeah and who we lynchin'

I put this post here for later so as not to forget about it.

But I can answer my read on you quickly: so far two of my reads turned out to be pigeon poop so I don't think I should trust any of my Day1 reads. Which means, I'm not sure whether you're town but until I get some useful reads townreading you can be a work hypothesis for Today.

[JaydragonKing]

Because I now have no idea what the fuck is going on and shouldn't be accusing people of being scum randomly like this is RVS?

[Mathdino]

this mafia is clearly shit at finding power roles if they shot creature of all people

Alternatively, they thought they had been in no danger and wanted to perform a non-informative Nightkill. (?)

Creature was super obv-VT. But yeah, he was shot for being obvtown. Thinking they were in no danger would've been silly when pintu was already half-lynched.

jailkeeper will continue to protect me until 1 mafia left

Why?

Because last night's NK was obviously gonna be me or Creature due to correct reads and Almost50 locktowning us both. Tonight it's likely to be me. I get stronger as a player as the game goes on, and I was already on one scum lynch.
When there's 1 mafia left, the jailkeeper can just play offence though and just try to jail the one scum remaining.

scum is in {NSG, Jay, Luca, Anen} in descending order

Can you explain that? Also, why I'm not in the Top 3?

NSG is a lurksack playing strongly against town meta, who made no waves yesterday and potentially bussed pintu to unexpected success (returning to the shadows when the town wagoned other people all on their own).
Jay was just fucking openwolfing yesterday through and through, with:
- Open PR speculation
- Displaying a high willingness to sheep me yet not sheeping me when it counted (A50)
- Arguing that vig shouldn't shoot pintu despite being on the pintu wagon
- Scumreading A50 for godawful reasons
Luca is just confbias. When I get one scum right, it's usually because my early reads are good, and Luca was my early scumread.
My scumread on you is still just sheeped from others, combined with your blow up in the second half of D1 and reversing your read on me to defend pintu.

let's be honest here guys scum is no matter what in the set of people that heavily suggested not shooting pintu

Are you talking about the Vig-shot alone?
Because there were a few players townreading him. Including me.

Doesn't matter. Vigging him was the correct move regardless of personal townreads on him.
Otherwise I don't know what you're talking about. I'm saying that there is 100% scum in the group of people who argued against vigging pintu. Both scum? Not sure. But at least one.

[northsidegal]

i still think jay is town by play, although his vote on pintu i remember looking like a bus.

[northsidegal]

i think almost certainly both scum left were on the almost wagon, by the way.

[northsidegal]

Ok, thank you. I was not ok voting for Aneninen if that implied risking Jay, as I'm not scumreading her.
VOTE: Aneninen

this suggests ane town and jay scum, i think

[Mathdino]

how were you a player in stack the deck yet still believe jay is town by play in this situation

[northsidegal]

because he doesn't seem like he's having fun and rubbing it in all of our faces like he was back then.

[Mathdino]

he wasn't losing back then though

none of his scumteam were ever in danger thanks to N_M's meta and montosh's lurking

[JaydragonKing]

how were you a player in stack the deck yet still believe jay is town by play in this situation

If you really can't tell the difference in my play style so far from each of our encounters, I don't know what to tell ya, Dino. You have Marked for Death, JK9++, Stack the Deck, Shenanigans, and Monks and Masons with me.

[northsidegal]

Here? Nobody's been REALLY asking me questions. Dino basically warned everyone about my style, so no one's confronting me the way I'd like. I tried a few times to stir the pot. Can't be anti-town too much though or that's gamethrowing. It's just... Hard as town for me. It's harder to find motivation and stuff. Scum just seems more fun in general IMO.

the essence of it is that i believe this a ton and i think it explains a lot. i mean, even just look at the postcount – we're already nearly at the same amount of pages that that game was at when it

ended

, and jay

replaced in

and he still has more posts there than he does here. this is the type of point that only works for sure in one game but i guess i believe it this time.

like i said though – i have a lot of reasons to believe that he

is

scum, it's just that his play itself (ignoring context, i guess) isn't one of them, really.

[TheGoldenParadox]

The claim has no point. A mafia rolecop would claim backup rolecop.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Or sorry, just VT.

[Mathdino]

NSG, please explain your perspective on this game from the point you checked out.

It seems like you're just glossing over the fact that you straight up weren't here for 3 days while active in

literally every other game

, and can thus somewhat be held responsible for the total lack of town cohesion going into the night by not being here to stabilise things.

[northsidegal]

Just pointing out, we don't actually have to hunt the rolecop necessarily. Once we kill either of the last 2 scum they practically lose the role

(unless they are so stupid they'd rather role check someone instead of killing)

. But, in Jay's case, I guess this works as an argument they are scum.

is it silly to take it as a scum point against mutant that he knows this so readily? i went to go check the rules when i read this, and it only actually shows up in the words of the scum role pms in the spoiler in the first post.

this is kind of a point that i could see being made against me though that i would just roll my eyes at.

[northsidegal]

NSG, please explain your perspective on this game from the point you checked out.

It seems like you're just glossing over the fact that you straight up weren't here for 3 days while active in

literally every other game

, and can thus somewhat be held responsible for the total lack of town cohesion going into the night by not being here to stabilise things.

i couldn't tell you honestly. i thought i had made a post about the anen / mutant wagons when they happened, but the entire a50 wagon happened between the last time i checked the thread and seeing that the thread was locked.

[Mathdino]

While I definitely would not want to run up mutant today, I would be a strong advocate for vigging him tonight unless anyone seriously objects.

Edit: Okay but you weren't posting even before the A50 wagon. Like I was asking you questions and shit (nonapplicable now).

[northsidegal]

Can we all agree to hypothetically vig pintu tonight?

I know that if I'm a vig, I'm doing it.

I sign. I'd prefer him lynched though since that guarantees he dies.

towny point, here.

[northsidegal]

While I definitely would not want to run up mutant today, I would be a strong advocate for vigging him tonight unless anyone seriously objects.

Edit: Okay but you weren't posting even before the A50 wagon. Like I was asking you questions and shit (nonapplicable now).

i'm not sure what you expect me to say.

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{Aneninen}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Mathdino, Luca Blight}
{jmo16mla, TheGoldenParadox}
{JaydragonKing, mutantdevle}

[Mathdino]

...were you reading the thread?

Were you reading when people were dropping you down their reads lists the longer you were inactive? You usually get pretty annoyed at that shit.

Were you reading when I did that huge metadive on you?

[northsidegal]

...were you reading the thread?

Were you reading when people were dropping you down their reads lists the longer you were inactive? You usually get pretty annoyed at that shit.

Were you reading when I did that huge metadive on you?

no, like i said –

but the entire a50 wagon happened between the last time i checked the thread and seeing that the thread was locked.

[jmo16mla]

Hello hello! Will read up later