Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

Mathdino · Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:47 pm

In post 1673, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw since after this lynch it's one scum remaining who should I target tonight? I'm leaning mutantdevle, but if I change my mind I will state such in clear terms.

I mean unless NSG is literally the vig (which is honestly entirely possible but in which case fucking lol), I'm feeling a mutant shot and a NSG jail on the basis that I'd prefer to have NSG around for endgame.

Take all the time you need. Don't let Jay get to L-1 because he'll self-hammer. Gamma should be the L-1 vote.

UNVOTE:

northsidegal · Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:48 pm

why are you still scumreading me, math?

mutantdevle · Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:48 pm

In post 1600, Mathdino wrote:Why not use the vig to shoot people who WERE okay with vig shooting pintu, and acknowledge that since the vig isn't gonna just shoot themselves, there's less danger of hitting a power role?

That would mean shooting in {NSG, mutant}, with the acknowledgement that if one of them actually is the vig, they should obviously just act like they're VT potentially getting shot.

You mean the people who BOTH agreed to theoretically shoot Pintu yet kept voting for them right? Because you and TGP (not counting people who are dead) are also a part of the "people who WERE okay with vig shooting pintu" group. However, only myself and NSG kept our vote on despite agreeing to the theoretical shot.

Also, surely such action only lets slip we are not the vig? We could still be any of the other 2 PRs (obviously I'm not going to say either way for myself and I can't speak for NSG).

Shooting either myself or NSG does reduce the chance of hitting a PR though. So, in that aspect, we probably are the best vig targets. But naturally, I'm not too much of a fan of only having a 50% chance of surviving the night and I'm certainly not going to 1v1 NSG over it.

Mathdino · Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:48 pm

@NSG: I expected a better answer for why you avoided this game, and you're playing against your town meta hard.

JaydragonKing · Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:49 pm

Nah, not this time North. Not scum.

Not like I'd really get away with a claim like that anyway where all roles are known. That's scum suicide.

Was honestly reading Dino as the Jailkeeper fake asking people to Jail him, and when I saw he wasn't counterclaiming, I knew he'd let me take the scum shot. Didn't think someone elsa was the Jailkeeper, let alone wouldn't just let me take the scum bullet for them.

I'll take the Vig shot then. Let's find the Scum together guys!

northsidegal · Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:49 pm

jmo is the best jail, honestly. vig mutant.

Mathdino · Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:49 pm

How about this?

HURT: mutantdevle
HEAL: northsidegal

Use the "hurt" tags for the vig, and use the "heal" tags for the jailkeeper.

northsidegal · Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:49 pm

In post 1678, Mathdino wrote:@NSG: I expected a better answer for why you avoided this game, and you're playing against your town meta hard.

Weaksauce. have you noticed how i'm playing against my scum meta by being on the mark about two scum so far when i don't think i've ever even voted a scumbuddy before?

Mathdino · Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:50 pm

In post 1679, JaydragonKing wrote:Was honestly reading Dino as the Jailkeeper fake asking people to Jail him, and when I saw he wasn't counterclaiming, I knew he'd let me take the scum shot. Didn't think someone elsa was the Jailkeeper, let alone wouldn't just let me take the scum bullet for them.

I fully expect Paradox to scumread me based on this "intentional distancing" here

northsidegal · Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:50 pm

In post 1679, JaydragonKing wrote:Nah, not this time North. Not scum.

Not like I'd really get away with a claim like that anyway where all roles are known. That's scum suicide.

Was honestly reading Dino as the Jailkeeper fake asking people to Jail him, and when I saw he wasn't counterclaiming, I knew he'd let me take the scum shot. Didn't think someone elsa was the Jailkeeper, let alone wouldn't just let me take the scum bullet for them.

I'll take the Vig shot then. Let's find the Scum together guys!

as much as i believe that this is possible, you're still the lynch today.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:51 pm

Don't feel bad. Even if you hadn't I was fine with it given a fakeclaim means after the fakeclaimer is lynched my role can be used to clear people.
And I can go for a NSG JK instead. That's my pick for now.

Mathdino · Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:52 pm

In post 1682, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1678, Mathdino wrote:@NSG: I expected a better answer for why you avoided this game, and you're playing against your town meta hard.
Weaksauce. have you noticed how i'm playing against my scum meta by being on the mark about two scum so far when i don't think i've ever even voted a scumbuddy before?

I've also read through your mafia PTs and remembered that you explicitly said you'd bus when it made sense to and when your townself would be scumreading people, and pintu was definitely scummy. You were the first vote on his wagon and as such you couldn't have expected it to take off as much as it did, and you weren't around to sort the chaos later on.

Edit: Use the hurt/heal tags!

Playing with confirmed scum around is fun, I have no interest in rushing the day.

JaydragonKing · Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:53 pm

Well let's all just humor me and go under the assumption I do just flip Vanilla Townie, okay?

We'll need to find the two scum who have infiltrated us and exterminate them. I can rule out Gamma now, and probably Dino, so I'll start looking into Luca. That seems like a fine discussion point.

northsidegal · Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:53 pm

In post 1685, Gamma Emerald wrote:Don't feel bad. Even if you hadn't I was fine with it given a fakeclaim means after the fakeclaimer is lynched my role can be used to clear people.
And I can go for a NSG JK instead. That's my pick for now.

Don't jail me.

Mathdino · Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:54 pm

HEAL: Luca Blight

northsidegal · Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:54 pm

In post 1686, Mathdino wrote: I've also read through your mafia PTs and remembered that you explicitly said you'd bus when it made sense to and when your townself would be scumreading people, and pintu was definitely scummy. You were the first vote on his wagon and as such you couldn't have expected it to take off as much as it did, and you weren't around to sort the chaos later on.

Edit: Use the hurt/heal tags!
Playing with confirmed scum around is fun, I have no interest in rushing the day.

lol? i was the one who pointed out that pintu was scummy. go back and look at when i "played the game" and compared his post this game to his newbie game – nobody else saw anything there. it was really just me.

northsidegal · Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:55 pm

like do you remember the point rc was making in be yourself about the lie detect being awful on him? that's how i feel right now. there's literally no reason for it to be on me.

northsidegal · Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:56 pm

if elsa flips role cop mathdino should be conftown, by the way.

mutantdevle · Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 pm

In post 1670, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can quote it if needed but honestly just ctrl-f jail in my ISO and you should find it.

I CTRL-F'ed your ISO and couldn't find it

I do believe you though (I think we've gathered by now that I'm not so good at CTRL-F'ing you).

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 pm

In post 1687, JaydragonKing wrote:Well let's all just humor me and go under the assumption I do just flip Vanilla Townie, okay?

We'll need to find the two scum who have infiltrated us and exterminate them. I can rule out Gamma now, and probably Dino, so I'll start looking into Luca. That seems like a fine discussion point.

Why should we?
If you do though don't expect me to telegraph my action, as scum can likely just send the other to kill me. I will never target the vig target however.

Mathdino · Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:58 pm

In post 1691, northsidegal wrote:like do you remember the point rc was making in be yourself about the lie detect being awful on him? that's how i feel right now. there's literally no reason for it to be on me.

You know, saying "I feel like playing like RC right now" is probably the easiest way to get me to policy lynch you over confirmed scum

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1696 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:58 pm

also what does hurt and heal mean, which is which

JaydragonKing · Post Post #1697 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:59 pm

If I was scum I'd have done this as the Goon, not the Rolecop. But then again, if I had died today anyway the Rolecop wouldn't be able to use both kill someone AND copcheck for power roles. Not that it matters with a Jailkeeper revealed.

Seriously though, make sure to discuss who the two scum left are. It's important.

Mathdino · Post Post #1698 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:59 pm

In post 1694, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1687, JaydragonKing wrote:Well let's all just humor me and go under the assumption I do just flip Vanilla Townie, okay?

We'll need to find the two scum who have infiltrated us and exterminate them. I can rule out Gamma now, and probably Dino, so I'll start looking into Luca. That seems like a fine discussion point.
Why should we?
If you do though don't expect me to telegraph my action, as scum can likely just send the other to kill me. I will never target the vig target however.

Please stop talking to confscum, lol.

Wanna go through the wagon lists to see if we can find our third?

northsidegal · Post Post #1699 (ISO) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:00 pm

forgetting why i was scumreading mutant right now, actually.