Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

[Dunnstral]

No, I'm not asking who you think I should be voting. I'm asking who I should be voting - I don't scumraed ranmaru and won't be voting there, there's a number of reasons for this. Where should I be voting, then? Why is my lq vote hilarious and scummy? Because it's not what you want?

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I'm not asking who you think I should be voting. I'm asking who I should be voting - I don't scumraed ranmaru and won't be voting there, there's a number of reasons for this. Where should I be voting, then? Why is my lq vote hilarious and scummy? Because it's not what you want?

Curious about these, I want to know why you aren't considering Ranmaru, your assertion of the townread now feels strange, why not assert it earlier?

[Shadoweh]

I don't think LQ is a lazy vote; there's been a lot of resistance to a lynch there compared to Ran, Dan and Dun. (I read that as he's just lazy at first and I was going to argue vehemently. )
I think Dunn did say he thought Ranmaru was town like, right after Ran voted him.

[Davsto]

Why is my lq vote hilarious and scummy? Because it's not what you want?

hmm maybe it's the reasons i said in my post

maybe

[Davsto]

No, I'm not asking who you think I should be voting. I'm asking who I should be voting - I don't scumraed ranmaru and won't be voting there, there's a number of reasons for this. Where should I be voting, then?

you should reread, reconsider your townread on him, realise it's probably wrong, and vote there, duh

[Ranmaru]

Davsto, what's your full reads list.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't think LQ is a lazy vote; there's been a lot of resistance to a lynch there compared to Ran, Dan and Dun.

Uh... what? What makes you think there is no resistance to Ran Dan and Dunn?

[MathBlade]

Votecount 4.10

LicketyQuickety(3)

~ Dunnstral(17), Shadoweh(30), Ranmaru

Ranmaru(2)

~ Davsto(20), Thestatusquo(54)[/i]

ActionDan(2)

~ Gamma Emerald(63), LicketyQuickety(79)

Shadoweh(1)

~ ActionDan(21)


Not Voting (0):

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-19 04:22:42)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: LQ

[Thestatusquo]

this is a really atrocious lynch.

[ActionDan]

Yes, yes it is.

If Dunn/Ran had instead voted Shadoweh disaster may have had a chance to be averted. But this is practically about to force me to vote Ran.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I checked the VC right before my little mini-game I did day 3 and noticed CES and Dunn were both on Marquis and we're also the two secondary wagons. This kinda points me to Dunn as scum.
LQ this is what you wanted isn't it?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Ranmaru

[LicketyQuickety]

1) We need a lynch
2) Ran has been Scummy independently of everything else.
3) Shea's case is good and it deserves more attention.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who else is willing to vote Dunn?
And btw if I die tonight and Dunn wasn't lynched today I'm thinking he's my preferred lynch in 5p

[Gamma Emerald]

LQ why are you getting cold feet on Dunn now?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ why are you getting cold feet on Dunn now?

I'm not.

How many people are voting Dunn? That should answer your question. I pushed Dunn all day and Dunn has one vote. What I am supposed to do?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ why are you getting cold feet on Dunn now?

I'm not.

How many people are voting Dunn? That should answer your question. I pushed Dunn all day and Dunn has one vote. What I am supposed to do?

My mistake, NO ONE is voting Dunn. Just makes my case here stronger.

Town is afraid of making an incorrect lynch. That's what explains this whole day.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am mixing things up here.

Gamma what is your thought process between voting me and then voting Dunn?

[Davsto]

readslist for ranmaru:

Scum (i.e. would vote today) - Ran, Dunn
Weak town (i.e. probably would not vote today but could be first considered if one of the above flips town) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, maybe Gamma but with his recent posting he belongs more in...
Town (i.e. would not vote today, unlikely to be reconsidered except if there is a strong reason to) - TSQ, LQ

[Gamma Emerald]

I am mixing things up here.

Gamma what is your thought process between voting me and then voting Dunn?

You were being scumread for more recent events, then I looked back at the gamestall and determined Dunn was more likely to be scum based off of that.

[Davsto]

Not really got full time to make a ran case but a quick think leads to one post that really stands out as the pinnacle of scumminess

Lycanfire, Davsto, NSG, Dunnstral. Tell me what you think of what I have said regarding [Gamma, Quick, Shea], and tell me if you would be willing to compromise to one of them today. I'm going to sleep for now. Ciao.

Look at this. He's asking four people to "compromise lynch", when three of them are voting CES who is, as you can see...

Votecount 3.16

Cogito Ergo Sum(5)

~ Lycanfire(41), Davsto(21), northsidegal(105), LicketyQuickety(272), Thestatusquo(117)

Ranmaru(1)

~ Marquis(26)

Marquis(1)

~ Cogito Ergo Sum(50)

Dunnstral(1)

~ ActionDan(57)


Not Voting (3): Gamma Emerald(140), Dunnstral(11), Ranmaru(331)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-02 07:15:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Dunnstral needs a prod. The last post was at: 2/26/2018 3:45:00 PM which was 2 days 9 hours 34 minutes 0 seconds ago.

... is at L-1. This doesn't just come across like town townreading someone and trying to get the lynch off them. The dodgy wording and beyond questionable logic is insane. This is a seemingly desperate attempt to get people off a scumlynch and to kill the momentum a little.

I know it looks a lot like my main reasoning for Ran scum was his defence of CES. And while that may be someone accurate, to a large extent it's less that he did hard defend scum and more the way he did it, this being one example.
Another is how he tried to intimidate Gamma into not hammering CES earlier on with the post

If he hammers instant lynch him tomorrow.

which is, again, pretty bad. It looks a lot trying to scare GE into not hammering in case he's uncertain. Remember this is white flag, and losing just one team member this early can be really devastating for the scum team.

Keep in mind with all these examples that Ranmaru had previously expressed a scumread enough to vote CES about

two irl days

before the first of these two posts. This conviction is basically out of nowhere and is quite jarring. It does not feel natural at all.

This is a short case and I'm sorry I couldn't provide more but I was busy today. This will be basically my last opportunity to post before the deadline with the exception of a brief time window tomorrow. My vote will remain on Ranmaru for the remainder of the day and I hope for people to vote him. The only exception is if Dunnstral (who I also considerably scumread for much more obvious reasons) looks he's close to lynch - I will have brief time to vote on this. I will not be voting anyone else unless someone posts something unbelievably convincing.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I can accept Ran being lynch but Dunnstral really needs rope

[Shadoweh]

Hello I have returned from my prescribed weekend coma and should be available until deadline. I would be willing to vote Dunn if there were votes there, but 10 hours left and 0 votes, etc. One vote? I have no reason to move other then my team getting paranoid that him pushing Dunn non-stop doesn't make sense as scum.

I don't think LQ is a lazy vote; there's been a lot of resistance to a lynch there compared to Ran, Dan and Dun.

Uh... what? What makes you think there is no resistance to Ran Dan and Dunn?

:/ You quote me and yet you manage to say something that isn't in the thing you quoted, saying there's more for you does not mean none for anyone else.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hello I have returned from my prescribed weekend coma and should be available until deadline. I would be willing to vote Dunn if there were votes there, but 10 hours left and 0 votes, etc. One vote? I have no reason to move other then my team getting paranoid that him pushing Dunn non-stop doesn't make sense as scum.

I don't think LQ is a lazy vote; there's been a lot of resistance to a lynch there compared to Ran, Dan and Dun.

Uh... what? What makes you think there is no resistance to Ran Dan and Dunn?

:/ You quote me and yet you manage to say something that isn't in the thing you quoted, saying there's more for you does not mean none for anyone else.

It's not like I took a book you wrote and used what you said out of context in like a single sentence or something. Are you for real here?