Open 717: C9++ [GAME OVER:TOWN WINS]

[Ok Nyeo]

Does mafia have daychat?

-- No, they do not. I am sorry if I did not make that clear.

[Ok Nyeo]

Very specific.
Ok, I’ll make sure I break into the SCP foundation, steal SCP-500 and 420-J.
:^)
-Kor

Edit: I meed to stop for the night what am I doing with my life rn

I read you signature and I am crying it's a so sad story

[Ok Nyeo]

Achoo

Bless you

[Ok Nyeo]

Achoo

I don't like bomb, bomb kill lots of people.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

-- I have fixed your vote tags. Remember that it's pregame and votes don't count yet.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

I like this

[Ok Nyeo]

We have a pretty interactive host

Please do not confirm anyone as scum from my scumteam

-- Will do.

[Ok Nyeo]

So Para, who’s scum?
:^)
-Kor

-- Y'know, I'll tell you, if you can answer my question:
Who's town?

Korina does not know who is town got it

We found a not mafia member person here

[Ok Nyeo]

Yea, because I’m jestcutior. The Jester + Executioner + Mayor.

I AM

not

THE MAYOR!!!!!!!

-Kor

If you weren't mod confirmed town member I would lynch you because

I am the Mayor!

[Ok Nyeo]

I was joking about them being modconfirmed town

Now if anyone reads the thread, they will think I said those things after they were mod confirmed to it was TGP's breadcrumb.

Sorry about that, I am a newbie mod, please cut me some slack

[Ok Nyeo]

I mean, who would kill an innocent baby? You heartless monster!
We should stop killing each other, because

I’ll give you $5 if you do

Imm innocent babby
-Kor

P-Edit: I’m legit IC

I know

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: Korina

Can we lynch the IC first?

-- Why would you do that?

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: Korina

Can we lynch the IC first?

-- Why would you do that?

Because I am a member of the mafia.
Or do you mean I should not have motivation to lynch IC because you know I am a town aligned player, right?
This mod comment-thingy is gamebreaking.

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: fredrick a campbell

If he was town he would post already.

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: myloninja

He did not talk since his first post. He may be scum trying to not get many attention.

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: myloninja

He did not talk since his first post. He may be scum trying to not get many attention.

My post faded away in that spam.
Can we vote myloninja please?

[Ok Nyeo]

Tbh, I have suspicion on you for RVSing us.
-Kor (to both)

Yeah I realized it will be useless anyways since you are getting the nightkill.

[Ok Nyeo]

Nyeo, how experienced are you at playing mafia in general?
-Kor

I'm not the best player but I know few things.

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: Nyeo
What do you mean by that? That

seriously

pings me as scummy. You’re making it seem like you wanted to lynch us, even though we’re confirmed innocent.

Also, if there’s a doctor, I’d like them on us tonight.
-Kor

I did but I changed my mind.

[Ok Nyeo]

I have 10-ish games in another site. I played a few games of Town of Salem as well. But this is much more different.

I considered lynching you because you were spamming and being unhelpful to town. But then I realized lynching someone else is same with lynching you because you are most likely going to get killed at night.

[Ok Nyeo]

Can you point out the post where I scumslipped?

-- *thinking*

[Ok Nyeo]

If you are town you will vote Nyeo.
-Kor

VOTE: ok nyeo
:^)

[Ok Nyeo]

May we have links to those games btw?
-Kor

My spy training is top secret.

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell for having alt activation problems

Hmm...

VOTE: pinturicchio

I am going to a secret spy mission so see you later, everyone!

[Ok Nyeo]

I’ve made up my mind. Carson (n33dl3), you have fun with the game. I’m literally only gonna lurk. It’s clear I’m not wanted, so I’ll let Carson actually do the game and I’ll just watch.
If you need me, don’t.
-Kor

And what makes you think I wasn’t tilting Carson?

I'm sorry if I was too aggressive against you.
We need you.

[Ok Nyeo]

you sound the same so i treat you the same

if it means a better response im all for it though

I think sesq is town for their previous post

I'm struggling to have a read on anyone. Care to tell me how you reached that conclusion?

I'm definitely curious about that too.

[Ok Nyeo]

Hey, sorry, homework and going out got in the way.

Generic Hydra lol. This is going to be fun.

For now I'll VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd because I'm not sure how a masons claim would help town in really any way aside from eliminating a few smaller options in the set-up.

VOTE: Myloninja13

Are you seriously scum reading him for that?!

No, I'm just a bit suspicious of him because of that. A vote doesn't equal a scum reading.

So it was mid-RVS?

Yep.

Actually, has Judge answered why he thought that was good idea in any way for town?

He did, I think you should read the thread.

[Ok Nyeo]

That moment when you open the activity overview to do some ISOs and you see that the mod has the 2nd highest post count.

OK, why is there a wagon on Gamma? I think he's town

The two people voting me are both scummy, but not because they're voting me. It's because neither has done anything else other than voting me.

I have good feelings about Laser Guy, UnaBombaH & Kop.

@Una: you didn't start the wagon on Gamma. Hoopla did, then you then Sesq

VOTE: Myloninja13

Again, not because he's voting me but because he did nothing else and also because 3 of the 4 I TR aside from the IC are voting there

Why do you think he is town?

[Ok Nyeo]

You guys wanna know something?
I pulled a reaction test.
Nyeo is scum.
Una is town.

That’s my results from it. Will explain later.
-Kor

Inb4 you say having a guilty conscience is a sign of being guilty mafia >~<

[Ok Nyeo]

Ok Nyeo, what was your intention for voting Generic Hydra?

Fishing for reactions of course. I got really few things though.

[Ok Nyeo]

Actually, scum would want a toxic player around. It creates a smokescreen for them to hide behind. Those who wanted me to stay are scum. Those who wanted me out/to change my playstyle are town.
Una and Nyeo are prime examples.
-Kor

But you just said I am scum.

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: myloninja

He did not talk since his first post. He may be scum trying to not get many attention.

My post faded away in that spam.
Can we vote myloninja please?

And this post?

Start a wagon on them and get them talking.

[Ok Nyeo]

Actually, scum would want a toxic player around. It creates a smokescreen for them to hide behind. Those who wanted me to stay are scum. Those who wanted me out/to change my playstyle are town.
Una and Nyeo are prime examples.
-Kor

Scum could also do that to get towncred. I saw it a lot of times.

[Ok Nyeo]

I’ve made up my mind. Carson (n33dl3), you have fun with the game. I’m literally only gonna lurk. It’s clear I’m not wanted, so I’ll let Carson actually do the game and I’ll just watch.
If you need me, don’t.
-Kor

And what makes you think I wasn’t tilting Carson?

I'm sorry if I was too aggressive against you.
We need you.

The thing is, I thought you were sad because I wanted to lynch you even you were confirmed. Saying "Yeah stop the spam" would make you more sad I thought. But like I said, scum can always say "Yeah lynch the spammer yay town" to get towncred.

[Ok Nyeo]

Hey, sorry, homework and going out got in the way.

Generic Hydra lol. This is going to be fun.

For now I'll VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd because I'm not sure how a masons claim would help town in really any way aside from eliminating a few smaller options in the set-up.

VOTE: Myloninja13

Are you seriously scum reading him for that?!

No, I'm just a bit suspicious of him because of that. A vote doesn't equal a scum reading.

what does a vote equal then? a town read?

A vote can mean many things, maybe they scumread that player, maybe they want to sort the player and get reactions etc.

But saying "what does a vote equal then? a town read?" makes it look like you are trying to misrepresent the player for saying a vote isnt scumread.

VOTE: uglyduck

And I don't like how you did that.

[Ok Nyeo]

Those games are top secret, you know, spy stuff.
By the way, what are your reads? Do you have any other reads than me?

@Gamma Emerald, what is your read on Kop? Do you think he usually plays like this?

[Ok Nyeo]

Can someone post VC?

[Ok Nyeo]

So, who wants to have a chat about this claim with me? I feel like my opinions about these sort of situations are controversial.

For the most part, towns are pretty ruthless when it comes to following through on lynching D1 VT claims. The problem is, most scum are aware of this idiosyncrasy and tend to favour claiming PR's, which creates the ugly D1 metagame of having PR-claims being disproportionately scum-heavy and VT-claims disproportionately town-heavy. Ultimately, if you want to have the best chance of lynching scum D1, you generally need to take a risk in lynching a PR. Most towns are adverse to this concept, and tend to play it safe and lynch the VT and keep the PR pool hidden -- this is a valid strategy as PR's can win you the game, but you're

almost always

lynching town D1 because of it.

When I used to keep track of Mini Normal stats, I used to record things like VT claims on D1 to check how often town/scum claimed that role respectively. IIRC, scum claimed VT 5 times compared to about ~50 truthful VT claims. In analysing the handful of times that scum claimed VT, it was generally done by newbish scum who didn't really seem to get site meta of claiming a PR to try and survive deeper into the game. Granted, I haven't updated any of these stats for more than 18 months, but I doubt the metagame has shifted significantly.

This is where I'll get Gamma to weigh in. Do you think Kop is a switched on enough player to realise that claiming VT as scum in this situation is suboptimal? Would you expect a PR claim from him in this spot as scum?

Also, unvoting while I do my some research.

UNVOTE:

I think there is definitely some validity to this reasoning. We had a similar discussion over at my homesite in a recent game (not the same setup, but a roughly comparable situation), and reached a similar conclusion... I think in a semi-open PR-heavy setup like this one, scum does have very little to lose by claiming PR this early in the game. We might end up lynching the scum!PR tomorrow, but it's still better than today if it ends up with a mislynch somewhere down the line, and depending on the claim, they could live even longer. I haven't played enough relevant games on this site to have a good sense of the site meta as far as this sort of claiming is concerned though.

Noting that it isn't safe to apply this reasoning to any future VT claims this game since if claiming VT will mean that scum will avoid the lynch, then claiming VT is now optimal for this game.

Also, Hoopla is Town.

Can you explain your TR on hoopla?



I would vote for Kop, but their wagon gained votes too easily. I doubt they are mafia right now.

[Ok Nyeo]

The comments on 341 does not really look good. Sesq voted Kop because they did not played long enough? Saying they are scum for this does not make any sense.

VOTE: sesq

[Ok Nyeo]

all the annoying factors are out so ok

still want a response though

VOTE: gamma

Why did you vote gamma at this point? What response were you talking about?

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd

Sir, why did you hammer when there was a week for deadline?

L-2

[Ok Nyeo]

Votecount 2.411

Judge Joseph Dredd(4)

~ Fredrick A Campbell(2), Hoopla(1), Gamma Emerald(3), Ok Nyeo(1)

Not Voting (7): Myloninja13(0), Judge Joseph Dredd(1), Kop(0), UglyDuck(0), Pinturicchio(1), LaserGuy(0), UnaBombaH(0)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-07 17:23:00)

[Ok Nyeo]

JJD, do you think Kop is a town member?

[Ok Nyeo]

@Una

Do you think JJD is mafia?

[Ok Nyeo]

@JJD

If you were a cop with a guilty result, then why you didn't claim immediately? It was obvious that we were going to vote you for that hammer.

Real cop please don't out


And also, we can do hypoclaims

[Ok Nyeo]

JJD saying Fred is red could be a distancing/saving themselves with red fred flip attempt. Laser might be the more likely scum than Una in my opinion.

[Ok Nyeo]

JJD saying Fred is red could be a distancing/saving themselves with red fred flip attempt. Laser might be the more likely scum than Una in my opinion.

I did not saw Laser's last post but they might be trying to confirm JJD as cop.

[Ok Nyeo]

Yeah fair enough.

VOTE: Frederick

[Ok Nyeo]

Myloninja, LaserGuy, UnaBombah, Uglyduck.

[Ok Nyeo]

Myloninja131 has been very inactive and their only vote was jumping on JJD's wagon because JJD wanted masons to claim.

[Ok Nyeo]

Gonna try and analyze that ^^ with a fresh mind tonight, or tomorrow.
I might have rambled or cut corners there, I just felt like writing down what I gathered after skimming those four ISOs.
So if that post doesn't make sense to anyone else than me YET, I hope it will once I try to analyze it further.

What happened to your analyze?

[Ok Nyeo]

Who gets Fred/Una/Mylo scumteam?

[Ok Nyeo]

UNVOTE:

I don't want Una to escape from my question.

[Ok Nyeo]

Town!Fred - We go to night, Skum kills JDD

Why would scum kill JDD when he was wrong? Would not fred being town make JDD a scum?



Fred is probably trying not to give information. L-2 would be always safer just in case.

[Ok Nyeo]

So, to Gamma's point:

SNIP.
Not gonna quote the full post, you can jump there from this quote if you need to read it.
Just going to say NO here.
Don't build scenarios like this if you're town.
You just hurt yourself, and create so much WIFOM for the rest of us..

Who is scum if it's not Fred?

[Ok Nyeo]

@JJD

If you were a cop with a guilty result, then why you didn't claim immediately? It was obvious that we were going to vote you for that hammer.

Real cop please don't out


And also, we can do hypoclaims

This is bad.
Cop with a guilty doesn't need to claim immediately, in fact, a good cop leaves crumbs and finds other avenues to use instead of openly guiltying.

Secondly, I'd argue that while JJD was always gonna get suspected/wagoned for that hammer, he wasn't under immediate threat, and therefore his claim doesn't not make sense.

Thirdly, making hypoclaims is SCUMMY AS HELL HERE.
Hypoclaims with Cops (not same with flavor-cops or trackers etc) don't work with one potential PR already outed.
That is partly because scum KNOW which hypoclaims are definitely false (if someone hypoclaims an inno on one of their teammates for example), and it also muddies the whole situation up in case we later get to situation with ACTUAL cop claims/flips..

One of the scummiest hidden agendas in this post IMO.

Right after calling you as scum, you are saying I am scum and still not telling what happened to your analyze about the vote triangle.

[Ok Nyeo]

@JJD

If you were a cop with a guilty result, then why you didn't claim immediately? It was obvious that we were going to vote you for that hammer.

Real cop please don't out


And also, we can do hypoclaims

This is bad.
Cop with a guilty doesn't need to claim immediately, in fact, a good cop leaves crumbs and finds other avenues to use instead of openly guiltying.

Secondly, I'd argue that while JJD was always gonna get suspected/wagoned for that hammer, he wasn't under immediate threat, and therefore his claim doesn't not make sense.

Thirdly, making hypoclaims is SCUMMY AS HELL HERE.
Hypoclaims with Cops (not same with flavor-cops or trackers etc) don't work with one potential PR already outed.
That is partly because scum KNOW which hypoclaims are definitely false (if someone hypoclaims an inno on one of their teammates for example), and it also muddies the whole situation up in case we later get to situation with ACTUAL cop claims/flips..

One of the scummiest hidden agendas in this post IMO.

I was hoping to snap the trap d3 but yeah I agree Nyeo's posting wrt JJD's claim is some of the scummiest shit in the game if JJD is town

I don't think gamma would post that he trapped me if he was scum. If he was scum he would give all suspicion to Una when I was lynched.

Gamma is town.

[Ok Nyeo]

Stop making a case on Ok Nyeo, she's obviously the Serial Killer. Let's talk about Fred's partner(s)

How would you know we have a serial killer yet only 1 person died at night?

[Ok Nyeo]

@JJD

If you were a cop with a guilty result, then why you didn't claim immediately? It was obvious that we were going to vote you for that hammer.

Real cop please don't out


And also, we can do hypoclaims

This is bad.
Cop with a guilty doesn't need to claim immediately, in fact, a good cop leaves crumbs and finds other avenues to use instead of openly guiltying.

Secondly, I'd argue that while JJD was always gonna get suspected/wagoned for that hammer, he wasn't under immediate threat, and therefore his claim doesn't not make sense.

Thirdly, making hypoclaims is SCUMMY AS HELL HERE.
Hypoclaims with Cops (not same with flavor-cops or trackers etc) don't work with one potential PR already outed.
That is partly because scum KNOW which hypoclaims are definitely false (if someone hypoclaims an inno on one of their teammates for example), and it also muddies the whole situation up in case we later get to situation with ACTUAL cop claims/flips..

One of the scummiest hidden agendas in this post IMO.

I did not know the optimal play for a cop. Lynching fred then lynching JJD if fred flips town made more sense after that. But after JJD explained his reasons, I thought about it and came as very townie motivated reasons.

Una, what do you think about mylo? And are you good at scum?

[Ok Nyeo]

Una, if Fred flips scum would you be OK with lynching Mylo tomorrow?

[Ok Nyeo]

Who is scum if it's not Fred?

It seems I have caught up to my catch-up..or something.

If Fred flips town, JJD is scum.
No if's or but's.

*Who is fred's scumfriend if fred flips scum?

[Ok Nyeo]

And the most important thing is:

Una, are you OK with lynching Mylo if fred flips as scum?

[Ok Nyeo]

Una, if Fred flips scum would you be OK with lynching Mylo tomorrow?

What's your read on Mylo? Why do you think he's scum?

His only vote seems opportunistic, he has been lurking and PoE.

@Fred

if JJD is lying and is scum, then who is their partner?

[Ok Nyeo]

I am a Vanilla Townie.

Uglyduck, what is your role?

[Ok Nyeo]

And I don't remember anything about this game because nights are
3 days long and we skipped last day so it makes something like 7 days? I will read the whole thread later (and I believe that I will find the scumteam)

[Ok Nyeo]

@Kop, who do you think the mafia is?

[Ok Nyeo]

I want everyone's opinion on lynching Kop.

[Ok Nyeo]

I wonder why did mafia kill Pinturricchio and Gamma Emerald instead of an experienced and helpful player like Hoopla.

[Ok Nyeo]

Hang on, let me try it on someone else. This is just a normal vote.

UNVOTE:

Vote: Kop

Why did you vote Kop at this point? While lynching Sesq?

[Ok Nyeo]

@laser

your Una read and

@una

your laser read, please.

[Ok Nyeo]

Ugly, why you did not CC when JDD claimed cop?

Una, what do you claim?

[Ok Nyeo]

VT here.
Delaying claiming your results makes it seem as if you need time to come up with "results".

And as this is LyLo, this is the moment where scum would def. fakeclaim.

Sorry, I missed this.

Ugly, what is your results?

[Ok Nyeo]

Town reads on you, Pin, Gamma.

Null on Neyo, laser, ugly.

Suspicious of JJD, Mylo, Una, Fred.

Why did you scumread Una?

[Ok Nyeo]

I believe that the game will be solved once Ugly posts his results and people answers my questions.

[Ok Nyeo]

Suspicious of JJD, Mylo, Una, Fred.

Why are you scumreading Una here?

Oh I also wondered that.

[Ok Nyeo]

I have 2 scumteams at this point with 1 people changing. This means I have 2 confirmed scums.

I am excited to see Ugly's result

[Ok Nyeo]

Oh wait there is actually only 1 scumteam possible.

[Ok Nyeo]

Furthermore, what on earth happened here?

*Sigh*

This is such a troll game.

Off the top of my head, my reads are something like:
Town
Hoopla
Unabomber
Kop
Myloninja
Ok Nyeo
Ugly Duck
Scum

INTO

Post-reread, I think Una and Kop are probably both mafia. Unsure about the third... was thinking it was Duck before the claim.

So..I know you said you apparently reread, but 2/3 of your top-townreads just flopped into "probably both mafia"?
Feels weird.

What is your Laser read?

[Ok Nyeo]

I wonder why did mafia kill Pinturricchio and Gamma Emerald instead of an experienced and helpful player like Hoopla.

This is a reasonable line of thought in a way, but it always leads us into an endless swamp of WIFOM.
My personal guess is that Gamma/Pintu were more accurate with their reads than Hoopla has been..?
Or Hoopla is a godtier scum, who has also been ballsy enough to ride every mislynch so far..

Hoopla has been one of the two obv.towns so far this game, Gamma was the other.

What do you mean by "godtier scum, who has also been ballsy enough to ride every mislynch so far"?
Do you realize that all she had to do was getting a mislynch at D1 since JDD and his guilty was autolynched at D2 and D3?

[Ok Nyeo]

What is your Laser read?

I felt ready to townbin him, at least for today, but those two posts happening within a day from each other makes me wonder.

I'll throw one back at you - do you think the scumteam has been able to build a solid towncred. for themselves in this game? Or do you think we have an obvious choice ahead of us, and they just got this far because of what JJD did?

I think scum got towncred but JDD's wrong claim obviously helped them.

[Ok Nyeo]

I believe that the game will be solved once Ugly posts his results and people answers my questions.

This also feels weirdly confident of you.
Just a few posts before this, Laser mentioned there's likely a Godfather around if we are playing the assumed setup.. so you think UglyDuck has plenty of innocents then?

Actually I thought there were 2 possible scumteams and I needed to sort Ugly, I thought his reads would help me to sort if he was lying or not but I managed to find the scumteam without that

[Ok Nyeo]

I think scum got towncred but JDD's wrong claim obviously helped them.

This, combined with your two previous posts, implicates..scum!Hoopla?

Ding dong dang!

[Ok Nyeo]

Yeah

[Ok Nyeo]

Kop, UnaBombaH, Hoopla

[Ok Nyeo]

Why do you think he arrived to that same conclusion after just that one provocation from YOU?

Do you think we are scumteam?

[Ok Nyeo]

And that was a signal?

He told he did not remember anything about this game, just tonereading people with outdated information. A reread would of course change his reads.

[Ok Nyeo]

I'm just asking.
Find the timing funny..

Why do you think people reading same 2 people as mafia funny?

[Ok Nyeo]

Ok.
Not thinking it was a signal per se. Just wanted to see your reaction to that provocation.

My thinking now, just based on these last few pages: OK Nyeyeoe town - Yoshi scum likely.
Scum!Yoshi would want to make as many lynches possible, as..possible.
I'm intrigued by the idea of scum!Hoopla, but I'm hesitant.
I used to be prone to paranoia, so nowadays I might be more stubborn than what is good for me..!

We have same reads but you scum read him and townread me? Why?

[Ok Nyeo]

Hoopla has no push on someone (that's not what experienced town players do) only game theory (for town credit, she already painted most people's eyes with that) and voting sesq instead of kop. Reading the day 1 makes me sure of Hoopla and Kop are scum team.

I am considering to vote Hoopla soon.

[Ok Nyeo]

Does a cc even matter if it's not the person guiltied? Can't there be two cops?

There

can

be two Cops, but that means we'd have to have rolled 4 C's which is highly unlikely. How unlikely? Well, first lets look at the odds of each setup coming out:

(Here's a link to the setup for those following along)

TTTTTTT

- 0.7%

TTTTTT

- 5.4%

TTTTT

- 16.4%

TTTT

- 27.4%

TTT

- 27.4%

TT

- 16.4%

T

- 5.4%

0T

- 0.7%

Purple means SK setup, and until we see evidence of another NK, we should assume we're in non-SK game. We already have an M rolled, so for 4 C's to exist, we'd probably have to be in the TT or 0T setup. The odds of no T's being rolled is <1% -- basically non-existent. Doing some monte carlo simulations for the TT setup yields the following result:

0 C's - 24%
1 C - 41%
2 C's - 26%
3 C's - 8%
4 C's - 1%

Again, basically non-existent chance that we're playing in a 4 C setup.

So, if someone is a Cop, they can counterclaim knowing that JJD's Cop claim would almost certainly be fake.

1 shot cop only takes us to 3 Cs. Dredd are you specifying?

This post makes sense with Duck being cop.

I want to mention that scum most likely hit pintu for a PR. They probably missed ugly's this post but Hoopla and Kop are experienced enough to hunt for PR's I think.

[Ok Nyeo]

Ugly, why you did not vote immediately when you outed your results?

[Ok Nyeo]

Ok Nyeo, can we please have your lynch pool now?

I posted it already, its (and also the scum team) Kop, una, hoopla.

[Ok Nyeo]

I think it's the time.

VOTE: Hoopla

[Ok Nyeo]

Day is only 3 RL days long???

-- Fixed. Thank you for pointing that out.

Anyways, I'm probably going to vote Kop because of his interactions with Hoopla day 1.

[Ok Nyeo]

Ugly's endday was surely weird.

[Ok Nyeo]

And they still don't post their results immediately. Which could also be weird

[Ok Nyeo]

Can we all agree that Kop is mafia?

[Ok Nyeo]

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker (the game where ugly is NOT a cop)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather (the game where ugly is a cop)

We lynch Kop, if he flips GF we lynch Una, if he flips Goon we lynch Ugly.

[Ok Nyeo]

Actually, it makes sense.
Ugly is a cop and checked Una but he wanted to lynch Gf, so he outed his scumread as a cop check. (he was also late doing that, which make sense because ugly was lying about his check.)

Una, who do you think is Ugly's partner?

[Ok Nyeo]

I don't see Hoopla protecting a better town player and changing the lynch to newer town player. Also Hoopla's protection case was "Kop claimed VT, not a PR" and that sounds reachy. I definitely see a Kop - Hoopla scum team. I just think Hoopla would not protect a mislynch like that, so Kop must be scum.

[Ok Nyeo]

VOTE: Kop

Good scum theater.

[Ok Nyeo]

I don't see Hoopla protecting a better town player and changing the lynch to newer town player. Also Hoopla's protection case was "Kop claimed VT, not a PR" and that sounds reachy. I definitely see a Kop - Hoopla scum team. I just think Hoopla would not protect a mislynch like that, so Kop must be scum.

So you've never protected a mislynch that you believe is a mislynch?

I did not as mafia but it does not matter.
Why did you vote Una?

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VOTE: Una

That has been one of the strangest games I've ever played.

Yeah
VOTE: Una

GG

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GG everyone, and thanks TGP for hosting.
Scum kind of get relaxed because of 3 ML's and did not distance enough. But you guys were good.

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@ugly I did not give care about cop's guilty because I was already scumreading hoopla, you and kop

Ugly's cop play is not unbelievable after doctor's fakeclaim

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@ugly I did not give care about cop's guilty because I was already scumreading hoopla, you and kop

Ugly's cop play is not unbelievable after doctor's fakeclaim

This was to @una mb