Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Joey_]

Also can you answer the question ? How would you feel if you weren't the one being "guilty softed" by Elbirn ? Would you vounch to lynch them for the sake of the possible guilty or not ? Why

[Joey_]

You should Brass, hes town

[Joey_]

Ran isnt active enough

[Joey_]

I like Joda as town. Though, not sure why she full claimed.

She full claimed because i assumed she was a tracker and, i suppose, didn't want to have any misunderstanding down the road. IMO her claim was pro-town here

[Joey_]

Also can you answer the question ? How would you feel if you weren't the one being "guilty softed" by Elbirn ? Would you vounch to lynch them for the sake of the possible guilty or not ? Why

I feel like if I do get lynched it kinda sucks because I have more I can do for the game I feel but if it happens all I'd like to say is there's very likely scum on my wagon.

Why ? Why would you assume that there is scum on your wagon when Elbirn softed that he visited you and then died ? Dont you think that the logic behind lynching you for it can be pure town ?

[Joey_]

Ran isnt active enough

wat

Ran isnt active enough to be a good runner up / WC with more delegates on the next days.

[Joey_]

Also can you answer the question ? How would you feel if you weren't the one being "guilty softed" by Elbirn ? Would you vounch to lynch them for the sake of the possible guilty or not ? Why

I feel like if I do get lynched it kinda sucks because I have more I can do for the game I feel but if it happens all I'd like to say is there's very likely scum on my wagon.

Why ? Why would you assume that there is scum on your wagon when Elbirn softed that he visited you and then died ? Dont you think that the logic behind lynching you for it can be pure town ?

I'm not saying it's necessarily scum motivated, but it's something scum would absolutely sheep.

That goes w/o saying on literraly anything that is beneficial for their win con (assuming you are town) thus its pretty redundant

[Joey_]

Because i thought there were an actual reason why would were saying that youd be voted by scum AKA that it was an especially scum-motivated thought process or something like that

[Joey_]

I think gamma or Joey is most likely who Elbrin visited

why joey? He didn't say Joey was scum if Creature was, he only said me

Have you finished your updated read list?

[Joey_]

@chara the thing is, if gamma’s last red we prevent a night kill everynight

[Joey_]

Also spec wise, a religion spreader + invest role + some sort of blocking role makes sens for a scum team (this is conf bias too and gamma could lie and about his role as scum)
This also means that there might be an orange religion spreader? Hm

[Joey_]

Why would a scum watcher bother watching brassherald? They KNOW that no protectives was going to hit brass that night.

Scum investigative? Brass's role was already outed

Roleblocker? We have a dead one already, and roleblocking a confirmed IC seems dumb

Religion spreader? Brass confirmed theres no religion.

Strongman? Brass's still alive

What else is there?

Guys, what teh fuck. Gamma is town here. There exists no scum role that makes sense with being used on the protected IC.

FOS on BuJaber for the previous 2 posts tho. Dont like the tone.

Orange said that they would take care of brass didn't they? Just a though that could explain a scum watcher on brass from a red

[Joey_]

MOD : Does a watcher ability counts as a visit (that could be tracked) or does a watcher role does not visit and only "target" a player ?

[Joey_]

Why would a scum watcher bother watching brassherald? They KNOW that no protectives was going to hit brass that night.

Scum investigative? Brass's role was already outed

Roleblocker? We have a dead one already, and roleblocking a confirmed IC seems dumb

Religion spreader? Brass confirmed theres no religion.

Strongman? Brass's still alive

What else is there?

Guys, what teh fuck. Gamma is town here. There exists no scum role that makes sense with being used on the protected IC.

FOS on BuJaber for the previous 2 posts tho. Dont like the tone.

Orange said that they would take care of brass didn't they? Just a though that could explain a scum watcher on brass from a red

Where?

Well basically Varsoon claimed outright to the "red team" that they would take care of you, just iso the guy it's really easy to find

[Joey_]

@chara the thing is, if gamma’s last red we prevent a night kill everynight

Tinfoil ahoy! Why do you think I'm last red?

Im pretty sure i used “if” as to talk about a hypothetical scenario

[Joey_]

Dude gamma calm the fuck down my friend, im actually trying to justify not lynching you today

[Joey_]

Joey, who do you think is scum? in general or specific to red scum if you have it.

You can see my updated read list in my iso if you want. Id quote myself but im lazy and on phone, i dont have any specific red sr either but i have a few slot that i believe cant be the last red

[Joey_]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	Watcher	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Tracker
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	Watcher	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Tracker
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Assuming Gamma and Joda can't be scum in the same team, added that to my reads
+ Baju kinda towntold

Quoted because im a nice kitty

[Joey_]

Also joda and gamma cant both be orange imo

[Joey_]

Your read list is wrong on Joda, that's not the role she has claimed.

True actually, she told me but i forgot to update, will do when on my pc

[Joey_]

I also think that mechanically a50 cannot be red but he can be orange

[Joey_]

How would we feel about a Joda leader?

No, why do you keep proposing inactive slots? Why dont you trust myself/chara/kokichi/nero?

[Joey_]

somehow about the existence of those. whoops. thanks for quoting them.

ok, so you agree with me that as far as red scum candidates go, Gamma is unlikely.
why are you townreading Shazi?

pedit: oh, right. inventor.

and yes, Joda and Gamma being teamed would be quite the gambit.

Tone + some good posts.
Also beyond what id expect a scum slot would go (about his grand dad too)

[Joey_]

How would we feel about a Joda leader?

i don't feel great about it. but considering Titus's role in the first round of resolutions, i don't know how much wiggle room there is for scum.

would rather Kokichi and especially Joey. not immensely confident in other townreads. i'm cautious but optimistic about Almost being town. i also wouldn't mind doing it.

pedit: i don't trust Nero. i know you have meta but i don't think meta is 100%, and his approach to Gamma sucks. it could be town Nero who doesn't give a shit or scum Nero who knows he can freely act this way.

My meta on nero so far is 100%, and his pushes are always logically flawed

[Joey_]

Also beyond what id expect a scum slot would go (about his grand dad too)

thanks for the answer. i agree abaout his tone, i was townreading and agreeing with him earlier. what do you think about his reaction to my vote, though?


as for the rl, i'm doing as Shaziro says and taking it for the out of game it is. he's certainly not using it as a reason not to be lynched beyond arguing against activity scumtells. i would do the same if scum with genuine rl commitments with no guilt.

Hm yea i agree about the grand dad arguments used w/o guilt, its also just a reason i added later to further confirm my read on him.

About his reaction about your vote, i think that in a vacuum town reacts much more to being fosed than scum would. Shaz has also weird reads, like he keeps pushing titus for WC and tr her hard even tho titus scumreads him, same for you who sr him and he tr you. Im unsure how AI this is but id say that scum tends not to support/keep tra on ppl who scumreads them for too long

[Joey_]

My meta on nero so far is 100%, and his pushes are always logically flawed

well that's something to consider. can you talk about the differences between his town and scumplay? would multiball change anything?

pedit: that's ok with me, i should have mentioned in my last post i'm concerned about Joey reading everything properly, but i am very confident he's town.

I sincerely doubt it would changes anything since the meta read has nothing to do with his scumhunting or something like that. Nero as scum is being compliant and a bit of a pussy while when hes town hes a pain in the ass, is very active, antagonistic and pushes his own agenda really hard (while being logically flawed)

[Joey_]

Also Chara, if you are unsure about nero, he still heavily non-team told with the red players, so at worst he would only be an orange possibility

[Joey_]

@Brass : What do you think about leashing Gamma on your slot ?
In one way it forces mafia to either kill Gamma before you (which would help town) or risk killing you and 1vs1'ing gamma the next day. Regardless, it will confirm Gamma's alignement w/o the need to lynch him today.

[Joey_]

it's not perfect, but he should be there anyway.

It's not you are correct, he could also came up with "no result" but it's a better move considering we already fliped a rb'er

[Joey_]

@chara the thing is, if gamma’s last red we prevent a night kill everynight

Tinfoil ahoy! Why do you think I'm last red?

Im pretty sure i used “if” as to talk about a hypothetical scenario

Dude gamma calm the fuck down my friend, im actually trying to justify not lynching you today

I don't care if you want to lynch me, but thinking I'm red is pretty tinfoily and I want to know why you don't think my interactions with Dunker disproves that possibility.

Read my read list before assuming stuff

[Joey_]

I really don't think you are red gamma, i said so since D2 start. But, i can be wrong and there's a pretty obvious town gain in lynching last red. The odds that you are mafia (high considering elbirn's soft) makes lynching you a good move even tho i don't think you are red. Do you follow me ? I also tried to explain how a "Scum watcher" could explain to be on brass

[Joey_]

@chara the thing is, if gamma’s last red we prevent a night kill everynight

Tinfoil ahoy! Why do you think I'm last red?

Im pretty sure i used “if” as to talk about a hypothetical scenario

Dude gamma calm the fuck down my friend, im actually trying to justify not lynching you today

I don't care if you want to lynch me, but thinking I'm red is pretty tinfoily and I want to know why you don't think my interactions with Dunker disproves that possibility.

Read my read list before assuming stuff

Your read list doesn't say anything specific about those interactions? It just has the colors.
PEdit: ah okay. So it's just a small potentiality.

It does tho, i grayed out the possibility of you being a red in my current read list

[Joey_]

I think the play is to flip gamma because of the odds that elbirn visited them. We already got 3 scum lynches and its really early in the game, we have the luxury of having still many "mislynches" that can we use effective. Even tho i think Gamma non-team told hard with Red mefias, id still be town to test the slot for the sake of Elbirn's soft

@Brass what do you think?

Why was he sus about creature's wagon?

He first says he'll vote Creature if Dunker became more active. Then, he votes Creature for all of one post. After his unvote, he continues to say Creature is obvscum until Creature came in with a few weak posts. Then it's "I'm not confident in Creature being scum." He then jumps on kind of late.

It just looked like a strong possibility that he knew he had to bus Creature but looked for opportunities to jump off.

I iso'd him again and while i think there's some merits to that, i doubt Gamma would antagonize both his red friends d1

@Gamma

[Joey_]

somehow about the existence of those. whoops. thanks for quoting them.

ok, so you agree with me that as far as red scum candidates go, Gamma is unlikely.
why are you townreading Shazi?

pedit: oh, right. inventor.

and yes, Joda and Gamma being teamed would be quite the gambit.

Tone + some good posts.
Also beyond what id expect a scum slot would go (about his grand dad too)

Why would his grand dad being sick be reason to townread him? If he's lying that's a pretty horrible thing to lie about.

Hm you can't read can you, i never said that Shaz lied about his grand dad, i said that i felt he went about and beyond what i would assume a scum slot would go (being fosed about activity + being genuinely angered) Also this is a minor reason why i townread him

[Joey_]

Lying is a subjective concept and it's something that people don't understand correctly (cough robnova cough). Could i say that you lied when you implied that "Shaz wouldn't lie about his grand dad and this is why i townread him" ?

[Joey_]

@Brass : What do you think about leashing Gamma on your slot ?
In one way it forces mafia to either kill Gamma before you (which would help town) or risk killing you and 1vs1'ing gamma the next day. Regardless, it will confirm Gamma's alignement w/o the need to lynch him today.

Goddamnit I was hoping to wait til tomorrow but if we're planning this sort of thing it needs to be straightened out. I never actually claimed "watcher", and that's not what I'm am: I'm a Jack of all Trades. the flavor involved deals with the multiple resources to be found in siberia. I will not claim what abilities I have but they're pretty strong imo. I do intend to claim each ability as I use it however.

Interesting. So each of your abilities is tied to a ressource ? What was the Watcher ressource, do you know ?

[Joey_]

Chara whats your read on titus ?

[Joey_]

townread her for her being herself only on. she hasn't done anything memorable since but i definitely wouldn't lynch her any time soon.

Why wouldn't you want to flip her if she has done nothing of worth recently? Is it because its Titus and you expect her to show up later or it's because you have other priorities ? And if so, who

[Joey_]

My issue is that she's really passive and no one seems to care about her slot

[Joey_]

@a50
1.Varsoon scum claimed twice, he mightve been shot for that as well
2. If you think Gamma is scum, there's no reason to assume hes telling the truth about him bieng a watcher so to theorize about Gamma being scum + telling the truth about his role. And like i said, in the off chance that hes actually a scum watcher, he couldve tried to find a potential ennemy Strongarm attempt (very unlikely).

[Joey_]

@Koki why do you believe there's a chance that Elbirn mightve tried to protect me ? What is the rationale to do so in the same post when heavily softing to visit gamma if creature flips scum ? Even if Elbirn actually wanted to visit me that night, do you think he would have considering his soft is not extremely clear since creature fliped scum ? Its hard to justify believing that i was ever visited there

[Joey_]

And nero, stop being a twat

[Joey_]

@A50 talk to me about your chara read ? You seems to have played a lot with her, what do you think?

[Joey_]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Inventor something
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Inventor something
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Added Gamma and Joda's correct claim

[Joey_]

Odd that ppl have been vocal about my support as runner-up yet aren't being coherent by non-voting (except Chara and pidgey)

[Joey_]

Gamma being town is annoying

[Joey_]

Gamma being town is annoying

why? Am I annoying as town or is the idea annoying?

the idea

[Joey_]

Nero Cain (2), Kiana Kaslana (1), pidgey (1), marshy (2), ranmaru (1)

Unsure but i think those are the remaining delegates
@Marshy can you vote next post, same for nero since both of you voting on me will hammer the WC

[Joey_]

@Brass do you prefer to get the +2 delegates or nah ? If im WC i will give them in your possession regardless tomorow if you are still alive

[Joey_]

Gamma being town is annoying

why? Am I annoying as town or is the idea annoying?

the idea

Can you explain please?

Because it'd be simpler if you were just mafia and elbirn died because he targeted you

[Joey_]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	Watcher	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Tracker
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader ?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	Watcher	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Tracker
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Adding marshy's claims and reads

[Joey_]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader ?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
fixed Gamma's and joda's claim

[Joey_]

I think we should totally confirm Pidgey and Marshy's role tonight so they get cleared from being last red

[Joey_]

And i also think that we should witch hunt last red to prevent a night kill every night from now on

[Joey_]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader ?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Realized that Joda can still be orange if gamma's green

[Joey_]

Also imo, there's maximum 1 orange in [A50, Pidgey, Marshy] (assuming they proves their roles) meaning that theres 1 red and 1 orange outside them

So imo
1 Red + 1 Orange (2 Oranges at most) in [Kiana/AD/Joda/Titus/Klazam/Ran] Thats my 2/6

[Joey_]

Add gamma in the orange possibilities

[Joey_]

Because its more likely

[Joey_]

i think assuming there needs to be a scum religion spreader is about on the level with assuming two scumteams, except one of those options says we need to lynch in marshy/Almost/pidgey because they all have the same power.

We dont since if they proves themselves they are clear of red team

[Joey_]

Actually, i just thought about it but Gamma is mechanically clear of being last red already since he would never have wasted his faction scum night kill on the protected IC, also joda and gamma cant both be lying (in case joda faked the track) since theres most likely 1 red left so

[Joey_]

Also Joey being leader is smart option here because that way town keeps control of delegates at daystart tomorrow. That’s one thing I thought of.

This is actually clever. I like this idea.

i have been saying that since day start tbh, its better to give the WC to the non-clear because the IC can get killed anytime

[Joey_]

Hi, will read and come back here

[Joey_]

Look at it this way: Catholicism vs Protestantism and Paganism vs Taoism and it may make sense to you that there are 2 Town Religion spreaders vs 1 Red Mafia & 1 Orange Mafia

if religions are tied to civilizations, and civilizations are NAI, does this mean anything?

Roles are tied to civilzations but roles were chosen after the alignement picked

[Joey_]

Only new thing from day 1 in resolutions is ban furs. We cannot ban silk, nor peacekeep day 2 since we did both day 1.

What do you think of gold ? Theres a hint at maybe a SK here, no?

[Joey_]

I say ban two things. Doesn't matter which. And since you each pick 3 choose all the bans amongst yourselves to ensure at least one gets chosen.

My only issue with a shaziro lynch is if he flips town (which is what my gut tells me) then where would we be the next day? We'd still be debating who to lynch out of the religions spreaders but minus one townie.

I've been scumreading both pidgey and marshy all game. Shaz's idea fits my perspective of this game. I'd rather lynch one of them first before assuming shaz is scum.

If you want to be cautious we can lynch elsewhere and wait for possibly new information to be revealed. Someone like actiondan or koki are good.

So basically imo lynch should be either {pidgey/marshy} or {koki/actiondan}.

Also it is likely that since nero chose to go after shaz at this point in the game we're looking at a TvS.

Theres very little incentive to flip a religous spreader here considering at worst theres 1 orange in there

[Joey_]

I just quickly skimmed our flipped scums- dunk had no idea what resource ban would do, varsoon was all for it.

From that, it might be a not positive to ban resources, if scum was in favor of that?

Do you really think that mafia would openly be against banning a ressource when the WC was IC ?

[Joey_]

It is hinted that Gold is related to kills imo and im assuming that one of the nation is like a mercenary nation where they get gold for kills or something

[Joey_]

I think we should science in me to block the science team from sneaking in and using it tomorrow to help them.

You know you get hit tonight, correct?

[Joey_]

Only new thing from day 1 in resolutions is ban furs. We cannot ban silk, nor peacekeep day 2 since we did both day 1.

can you quote the list from day 1? on mobile.

I asked both mods exactly what info i am allowed to share and what i am not, im waiting on their response but will make a post about the resolutions when i can

[Joey_]

I think we should science in me to block the science team from sneaking in and using it tomorrow to help them.

You know you get hit tonight, correct?

I get hit tonight but we still know that the science mafia cannot use science boost for today OR tomorrow, then. Buys town two days to find them

Why not use science on a tr instead of just wasting a resolution ? Plus, this is assuming that science mefias will get to chose the resolutions tomorow on their members (or a town on their members) + that we, as a cohesive town, will vote for it

Don't you think you are overthinking it

[Joey_]

We could like just agree to never use the science resolution until are orange are fliped if you are that paranoid, everyone will agree and we will not waste a resolution

[Joey_]

Resolutions

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

DAY 2

1.

[Temporary Ban Gold]

[/i] (non-consec)

IMO hinting at kills in some ways, apparently you might get gold for blood. Also hinting that gold is linked to Religion and that Religious Gold is especially bad.

2.

[Temporary Ban Ivory]

(non-consec)

Saying that it lasted too long and that it's one of the worst thing humanity is doing to the nature. Elephant and rhinos are endangered (Africa?)

3.

[Temporary Ban Furs]

(non-consec)

2 Italian and 1 American clothing brands listed implying they are the leaders in the fur trade. Banning Furs can help protect those animals that are close to extinction, none animal are hinted.

4.

[Embargo Nation]

(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

Implies that the World Congress is going to act on said Nation and that is more than just denunciation.

5.

[Embargo City States]

(permanent, can be repealed)

This one is actually interesting. it says that the City States are really small and that they makes the global politics more complex and that it can interfere with the politic of the others bigger and powerful civilisation. IMO this could mean that there is 3p players with 3P win-con and Town win con. This one could shut-down their 3p win-con, in that way it would make the Global Politics simpler between the bigger and more powerful civilisations (Mafia and Town ?)

6.

Protection of Natural Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

 
Hinted to be linked to Culture (?). It says that we should protect the Cultural Natural Wonders around the world. Maybe it will affect everyone ?

7.

Recognition of World Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

In the same ways, it says that there is a Word Wonder in each and every Civ, might affect everyone ?

8.

Funding Arts

(non-consec)

It says that Art in general and around the world will get a boost and will flourish. The Resolution is to make or oppose the making of a program about art in every Civ.

9.

Funding Science

(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

This one is interesting too because it's not what i thought it was before reading the description myself.
Basically it says the the Science in general, around the world, will get a boost and will flourish. But, the resolution is about supporting or opposiong 1 Civ to talk about making a program about science in their own Civ. So this might actually boost Science scum even if we target the IC.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader ?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Added resolutions for d2, removed spoilers until the WC is resolved

IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTION I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM THE BEST I CAN
Note that this is me paraphrasing a lot, i don't want to be mod killed. But if you ask a question i will always go and reread the orignal post for better accuracy

[Joey_]

Btw i made an error, Funding science can self assign delegates, i will fix that in a future update of my post

[Joey_]

I think that banning gold is especially good tonight because technically the IC is getting naked, so removing possibly 1Kill power tonight might be beneficial.

I also think that we maybe should embargo City States since it is hinting at third party and it is permanent

[Joey_]

It can be repealed and the flavor says that City States complicate the global politics, assuming you are full town and not 3p i dont see how that could be bad for you

Also, the pm also says that some resolutions can be unblocked if other resolutions has passed, so maybe embargoing City States might unlock other resolutions ?

The way i see the resolutions is that theres some Temporary that are usefull for tactical advantage on a certain night (Embargo Player for RB probably, Ban luxury for 1 night to prevent a some kinds of mefias role powers like RB (sex workers) and others that im not thinking about) And there's the permament effect that improves and changes the game permanently which will unlock other resolutions down the road. I think those are more fun imo and we should try it out just for the sake of playing the game, just banning luxuries we don't know about is not as fun but i agree banning gold should be done today

[Joey_]

And im not afraid of losing the game at all even if we end up making a non-optimal pick today, it's really not the end of the world and we are in a great spot already

[Joey_]

Would world wonders be optimal, assuming it is a boon to every civ? We have downed 3 scum, putting town squarely in the lead, which would make our net benefit greater than theirs from such a thing. I think ban gold recognize wonders is the best route.

I kinda want this or naturalwonders today

I will probably propose to ban gold and then brass can pick whatever he prefer in the rest

[Joey_]

Oki so im sending
1. Ban gold
2. Embargo City States
3. Ban ivory

[Joey_]

Resolutions

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

DAY 2

Temporary Ban Gold

[/i]

Protection of Natural Wonders

 

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

DAY 2

1.

[Temporary Ban Gold]

[/i] (non-consec)

IMO hinting at kills in some ways, apparently you might get gold for blood. Also hinting that gold is linked to Religion and that Religious Gold is especially bad.

2.

[Temporary Ban Ivory]

(non-consec)

Saying that it lasted too long and that it's one of the worst thing humanity is doing to the nature. Elephant and rhinos are endangered (Africa?)

3.

[Temporary Ban Furs]

(non-consec)

2 Italian and 1 American clothing brands listed implying they are the leaders in the fur trade. Banning Furs can help protect those animals that are close to extinction, none animal are hinted.

4.

[Embargo Nation]

(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

Implies that the World Congress is going to act on said Nation and that is more than just denunciation.

5.

[Embargo City States]

(permanent, can be repealed)

This one is actually interesting. it says that the City States are really small and that they makes the global politics more complex and that it can interfere with the politic of the others bigger and powerful civilisation. IMO this could mean that there is 3p players with 3P win-con and Town win con. This one could shut-down their 3p win-con, in that way it would make the Global Politics simpler between the bigger and more powerful civilisations (Mafia and Town ?)

6.

Protection of Natural Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

 
Hinted to be linked to Culture (?). It says that we should protect the Cultural Natural Wonders around the world. Maybe it will affect everyone ?

7.

Recognition of World Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

In the same ways, it says that there is a Word Wonder in each and every Civ, might affect everyone ?

8.

Funding Arts

(non-consec)

It says that Art in general and around the world will get a boost and will flourish. The Resolution is to make or oppose the making of a program about art in every Civ.

9.

Funding Science

(non-consec, can self assign delegates)

This one is interesting too because it's not what i thought it was before reading the description myself.
Basically it says the the Science in general, around the world, will get a boost and will flourish. But, the resolution is about supporting or opposiong 1 Civ to talk about making a program about science in their own Civ. So this might actually boost Science scum even if we target the IC.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader ?	?	?
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Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
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Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :

[Joey_]

True honestly, thats the only reason i might be slightly against it, especially since if there's a cultural scum then they are the stronger scum faction atm (prob 2 cultural, 1 science left if its the case). But again, i don't mind testing it out

[Joey_]

Thats unfun, i already sent the order i stated
1. Ban gold
2. Embargo City States
3. Ban ivory

[Joey_]

The boost could be different for town and scum, we don't know

[Joey_]

@KO who would you like to flip beside gamma ?

[Joey_]

whut, what did you send brass

[Joey_]

HEAL: Ban Ivory
HEAL: Ban Gold

[Joey_]

Dumb question, if we are testing religion why are we banning the one that mentions religion?

tbh i picked it because it hinted at kills, seems more important than to test religion, unsure tho

[Joey_]

City States could be traitor ? I would fit the theme and flavor

[Joey_]

It*
Was thinking about 4 man teams too but seems too much, 2x3 with a traitor and a SK or something seems fine tho

[Joey_]

HEAL: ban ivory
HEAL: ban gold

What do you think of the gold mechanic ? What if every kill the killer gets a gold and he can then spend said gold for various abilities ? Maybe faction gets gold ?

[Joey_]

I think its not worth it as scum move, it’s not like anyone need rvs to vote for a scumbuddy, there’s other ways that don’t attract as much attention

[Joey_]

A50 is confirmed not red scum as is Marshy (assuming he's telling the truth)

Why not Pidgey? You forgot or there's a reason you omitted to mention him

[Joey_]

Religious Gold especially must be eliminated or examined, as it is an affront to Gods and Kings to have effigies made from impure or ill-gotten materials.

I mean, it sounds like a good reason to ban it all together, no?

Like, maybe Gold is what gives them their ability and banning it would 'cause their religion spread cease tonight so banning it would atleast tell us what it does, atleast if the former theory is correct.

I mean it's temporary anyway so I think I wouldn't be upset about it messing the proving up but why are we just doubling back on our night plan?

I know you didn't ask me but i think that maybe preventing a single NK is more beneficial than to clear 2-3 slot of red scum considering that mafia will probably want to kill the ic tonight.
IMO, even if we asked to prove the religion spreader tonight and some of them couldn't prove themselves, we still wouldn't lynch them for the reason alone, we still have many nights down the road.

[Joey_]

All religious spreaders need to target different ppl tonight. Claim in thread so there's no overlap.

With only 3 spreaders and 17 players (16 after the lynch) I can hardly see two of us targeting the same player.

I also am FOR banning gold, but I'm more confident now I want to lynch pidgey. The resolution states:"Religious Gold especially must be eliminated or examined, as it is an affront to Gods and Kings to have effigies made from impure or ill-gotten materials."

Gods (plural) refers to Paganism, while Kings in the middle ages were controlled by (or sometime controlling) the Roman Catholic Church, and that was one of the reasons the Protestant movement started to begin with.

VOTE: pidgy

I probably already was voting there, but it doesn't hurt to confirm it.

Now since it's gold people are debating about it looks like Ivory will be banned anyway, so..

HEAL: Ban Gold
HEAL: Ban Gold

Gods & Kings is the name of the expanson of Civ 5, you might be reaching too much

[Joey_]

Also Civ arent alignement indicative and religion type are linked to Civ, so the kind of religion is not alignement indicative

[Joey_]

Also the logic doesn't even work in itself a50, as if you are implying that religious gold that is impure would offense mafia -> Gods (pagan) & Kings (catho)

[Joey_]

@Gamma

Let's talk about how you can confirm your own role. Do you have anything in your disposal that can prove itself to be a power almost exclusively town motivated ?

[Joey_]

If it was Kings, I'd argue Protestantism is more likely. Catholicism had a Holy Roman Emperor, not a King.

Kings of France, Spain, Portugal, as well as Dukes etc.. were all under the Pope's authority in the middle ages.

Like, I'm not quite sure of anything but I'm trying to deduce some indications.

Yes but they are pretty clearly false or not worth pursuing, there's no way this is the intent behind the use of Gods & Kings by venmar and we aren't lynching in any claimed religion spreader today

[Joey_]

Is any of your power provable ?

[Joey_]

@MOD: Is it public knowledge if scum can use abilities if they are the last in their faction?

[Joey_]

@Gamma

Let's talk about how you can confirm your own role. Do you have anything in your disposal that can prove itself to be a power almost exclusively town motivated ?

Not really at this point.

Also How many different power do you have in total ? And if you have any kind of protective you have to out it

[Joey_]

Is any of your power provable ?

I guess one is? Should I state it? Thinking about it there's nothing I can think of that would be able to interfere that much given what it is.

Thats good, I'm thinking about forcing you to use a probable power tonight if scum cannot use both abilities + NK, this is in the offset chance that you can be last red (i dont believe but hey). This might force you to prevent to use a NK or get lynched tomorow

[Joey_]

@Gamma

Let's talk about how you can confirm your own role. Do you have anything in your disposal that can prove itself to be a power almost exclusively town motivated ?

Not really at this point.

Also How many different power do you have in total ? And if you have any kind of protective you have to out it

4 roles total, 3 remaining
why do I have to out protective?

Because if you have a protective we can plan ahead better for using our IC slot effectively. Like religion spreader could pick the IC to prove their roles, which is a much better alternative than random yolo a slot in the table. But they can't really pick the IC atm because hes very likely going to get hit tonight

[Joey_]

Gamma should not out what he will be using at this point or what he has. Please try to keep scum in the dark about some things.

Gamma is soft guilted, dont be soft

[Joey_]

Also Brass do not be naive, the moment you die this town is going to shit and all the scum lurking are going to show up

[Joey_]

Brass i am aware of all that, but it's much more important to control a soft guilted the best way possible than to not-give info to scum. I just think that brute forcing the game can be beneficial with 3 scum remaining and mass claiming could even break the game atm ftr

[Joey_]

I'd rather not massclaim
And even if I do say specific things about my role I'm not fullclaiming until I use specific ones

Do you have a protective shot y/n, can you use it on brass tonight y/n?

[Joey_]

I'd rather not massclaim
And even if I do say specific things about my role I'm not fullclaiming until I use specific ones

Do you have a protective shot y/n, can you use it on brass tonight y/n?

What if he does and the mafia has a roleblocker left?

Then its whatever, what can i say, better to do that than nothing

[Joey_]

and if you want him to out something

provable

, a protective is one of the worst choices. there's no way to prove that.
Gamma should use something provable if he has it.

also, Joey, regarding your team buildup, i think Klazam should be taken out of red team consideration.

Yes its unprovable but its more useful atm to protect IC than prove a power by gamma

[Joey_]

well, yes, of course it is. and if town Gamma actually

can

protect the IC, he's capable of doing so without outing the power beforehand.

Gamma: no, i wouldn't have gotten Varsoon mixed up with anybody. i'll figure it out.

Yes.. but him announcing it will mean that hes forced to use it that night, might prevent a night kill (if hes last red), will make himself a target and Brass can clear a relgion spreader we know beforehand hes gonna be protected

[Joey_]

If Gamma has a protective, he should not announce it. Stop asking him to announce it, Joey. Just stop.

No, its especially an amazing idea because he should be lynched today before of the soft guilty, what im doing is trying to find a way to make him useful for town w/o the need to lynch him

[Joey_]

Knowing that the IC is alive tomorow has a lot of benefits, one of them is sending brass stuff in the night to proves the religion spreader like i said earlier. It's also good because we can plan to coordinates town another day etc but it's just my opinion

[Joey_]

I'll do it if a good reason is presented but you telling me to is a very good reason not to imo

This is silly, you know you are the logic flip today

[Joey_]

Alsooo there's the stacking protective too. If Gamma claims protective and is claiming to be on brass, its less likely that we will stack protective power tonight on the IC

[Joey_]

more Shaz votes plox.

You were just campaigning for Ran.

Like we should flip gamma you know that ? If he's not claiming to have a protective power you have to force him to use a provable role

[Joey_]

I'd ask if you were normally this dumb but we both know the answer to that one.

Still don't get it, did i miss something

[Joey_]

Still don't get it, did i miss something

then you clearly didn't read the post. I was talking about the last red bussing Gamma and Pid was not on said wagon so...

tbh i skimmed it and assumed it was because of religion spreader but w/e

[Joey_]

Catholicism and Protisism are pretty anti-science and thus don't make sense on a SCIENCE wincon. Hows that for some silly outguessing the mod.

What are you on about with Catholicism being anti-science?

Copernicus was a Catholic clergyman. The Jesuits have been credited as one of the largest contributors to physics in the seventeenth century. Our current Pope worked in chemistry before entering the seminary.

If you want to outguess the mod, at least be historically accurate.

IT WAS A JOKE!

I think that

in the past

Catholicism has been on the side of "science bad!" but I know you are religious and I'm sorry if I offended you.

My point was that a50's outguessing the mod is ridiculous and I was being just as ridiculous.

Religion, in general and still atm, has almost always been

against

the science paradigm aka empirical stuff FTR and it shouldn't offense anyone

[Joey_]

i'm townreading Nero now.

Gamma: what does 2801 have to do with his being scum?

Why do you townread him now ?

[Joey_]

He actually made a decent post explaning his titus read, if you bother to dig his iso

[Joey_]

In the context its the best* move, its easy to scumread rolefishing at face value

[Joey_]

i've been sick but i also just don't love talking about mechanics for pages. lazy part of me wants to let Gamma be lynched and be done with it, but i don't really believe he's red scum and i don't know if the soft guilty is valid anymore.

Nero: what happened to make you less Chara-lynch-happy? i really should have asked earlier.

How is the soft guilty less valid ? We do not have new information and the odds of it being a soft guilty haven't increased or decreased. Even if you think gamma is town doesnt make the soft guilty less valid

[Joey_]

Ido think that knowing how many killing actions are happening in a night and if town has any nightkills will get us to a point where the soft-guilty can be proven to be correct, and by play (not by role) i don't see red Gamma scum.

100% agree and was one of my point, forcing a provable power in the off-chance hes last red, the number of NK will gives info

[Joey_]

If Gamma isnt red scum, means hes orange scum. Why would he watch brass in that situation, man.

Hes damn near conftown, and we should not be rolefishing or directing him.

If you accept in an hypothetical scenario that gamma is mafia, you cannot accept his claim in the same scenario, its stilly. If gamma is orange, he couldve visited brass for reasons and mechanics we don't know about

[Joey_]

if he's orange scum, it would mean he didn't watch brass and was doing something else. but you're right, i can't think of anything for that.

^

sorry im multiposting but im reacting to stuff post by post

[Joey_]

I believe Gamma's claim and think he's a garbage-tier lynch for today. People should definitely stop telling him to out whether or not he has a protective and who he would be targeting if he is, that is literally just giving scum information. Like, fucking hell, "Oh they'll only kill Gamma that's no big deal" if they don't know if he's a protective or not, they might target somebody he is protecting and -nobody- would die, how do you miss that simple fucking logic? Christ alive.

I'm ok with Ranmaru...-kinda-. I'm not big on the idea of lynching for him being away from game like I was for Creature, because so far as I'm aware it's not his thing. I'm happy with lynching Kokichi though, to be honest, because the more I read of their stuff, the more I regret ever removing my vote from them at the start of the game. Almost50 I am less confident about now.

VOTE: Kokichi I'll set this here for now I guess.

"they might target somebody he is protecting and -nobody- would die, how do you miss that simple fucking logic? Christ alive."
-> random save (the odds are extremely low) is much, MUCH less valuable than to make sure we get the IC tomorrow, prove gamma's alignement and so on

And kokichi is never getting lynched if im alive

[Joey_]

VOTE: Titus hi

[Joey_]

Fucking hell, Joey, what other means do you mean to use to protect the IC? If gamma is a protective, he's going to protect the IC, but it's not like there's any chance of overlap unless you magically know of some method of protecting brass that I don't. Him claiming protective does -nothing- pro town. Stop demanding it.

HES SOFT GUILTED do you get that dude ? Hes basically a time bomb where we eventually ALMOST will have to flip them if we need to. Im trying to find a way to make it works here and to not just follow the soft guilty because i think its brain dead to do so.

"But it's not like there's any chance of overlap unless you magically know of some method of protecting brass that I don't" -> Thats also unwarranted and hinting that i softed a protective something, if you believe that then don't say it and keep your mouth shut. If i had a protective shot myself and would prefer to put it on someone else, don't you think its fair to ask a soft guilty to protect the IC themselves ? Think about it

Also, you judge my action at face value, you should actually understand the context better and think about why am i trying to prove Gamma's role and stuff so hard, what is the scum gain behind what i am doing, what is the town gain ? Do you think about those things ?

"Him claiming protective does -nothing- pro town. Stop demanding it"-> YES IT DOES, just because we dont have the have the same information and/or opinion doesn't mean there's no reason to my behavior, i know how to play

[Joey_]

Youre a bit dense no offense

[Joey_]

Everyone is so scummy this game.

BuJab, Titus, Marshy, ActionDan. Lmk if any of those have traction. I prefer BuJab

i will help you, bujab is town and marshy is not on the table today

[Joey_]

Everyone is so scummy this game.

BuJab, Titus, Marshy, ActionDan. Lmk if any of those have traction. I prefer BuJab

i will help you, bujab is town and marshy is not on the table today

Dear Prime Minister of *****,

Greetings to you, we have not spoken for a while.

The nation of Kaslana agrees that Bu is very likely to be a good nation. But we want to know why marshy is not on the table today. We believe there is a high chance that he is a Terrorist Nation.

Regards,
Lady Kiana

Solely because he claimed religion spreader aka cannot be last red imo

[Joey_]

@MOD: Is it public knowledge if scum can use abilities if they are the last in their faction?

Could this question be clarified?

Ranmaru has failed to respond to his prod by not posting. Searching for a replacement.

@MOD :
Can mafia use the night kill + an abilitiy?
Can mafia use the night kill + an ability if they are the last member of their faction?

[Joey_]

@MOD : both resolutions passed

Ya don't say
~M

[Joey_]

@MOD : both resolutions passed

Ya don't say
~M

I assumed we would get the results but i think i just forgot it shows up at the end of the day

[Joey_]

Resolutions

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

DAY 2

Temporary Ban Gold

[/i]

Protection of Natural Wonders

 

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

DAY 2

1.

[Temporary Ban Gold]

[/i] (non-consec)

IMO hinting at kills in some ways, apparently you might get gold for blood. Also hinting that gold is linked to Religion and that Religious Gold is especially bad.

2.

[Temporary Ban Ivory]

(non-consec)

Saying that it lasted too long and that it's one of the worst thing humanity is doing to the nature. Elephant and rhinos are endangered (Africa?)

3.

[Temporary Ban Furs]

(non-consec)

2 Italian and 1 American clothing brands listed implying they are the leaders in the fur trade. Banning Furs can help protect those animals that are close to extinction, none animal are hinted.

4.

[Embargo Nation]

(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

Implies that the World Congress is going to act on said Nation and that is more than just denunciation.

5.

[Embargo City States]

(permanent, can be repealed)

This one is actually interesting. it says that the City States are really small and that they makes the global politics more complex and that it can interfere with the politic of the others bigger and powerful civilisation. IMO this could mean that there is 3p players with 3P win-con and Town win con. This one could shut-down their 3p win-con, in that way it would make the Global Politics simpler between the bigger and more powerful civilisations (Mafia and Town ?)

6.

Protection of Natural Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

 
Hinted to be linked to Culture (?). It says that we should protect the Cultural Natural Wonders around the world. Maybe it will affect everyone ?

7.

Recognition of World Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

In the same ways, it says that there is a Word Wonder in each and every Civ, might affect everyone ?

8.

Funding Arts

(non-consec)

It says that Art in general and around the world will get a boost and will flourish. The Resolution is to make or oppose the making of a program about art in every Civ.

9.

Funding Science

(non-consec, can self assign delegates)

This one is interesting too because it's not what i thought it was before reading the description myself.
Basically it says the the Science in general, around the world, will get a boost and will flourish. But, the resolution is about supporting or opposiong 1 Civ to talk about making a program about science in their own Civ. So this might actually boost Science scum even if we target the IC.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
VT	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader ?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
VT	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes : added kiana's claim

[Joey_]

Im getting more and more inclined to massclaim sooner rather than later considering the game state

[Joey_]

If you think about it, we already have 11+1(your role)/21 claim, more than half

[Joey_]

hm oki, i will trust you guys about that

[Joey_]

I kinda read titus as 3p and it annoys me

[Joey_]

The game state did change tho, many scum flips happened

[Joey_]

I tend to personally lose interest when i see that my partners sucked/got lynched for no reason, that was my point

[Joey_]

@Pidgey: OK..

VOTE: ranmaru

Werent you one of those who absolutely hard townread ranmaru early on ? Or am i thinking of someone else

[Joey_]

We aren't lynching the only vt claim, since we can use that for later

[Joey_]

I want to hear klazam's thoughts

[Joey_]

Unccd vt is clear until proven otherwise, its useful for massclaim

[Joey_]

Quoting the mod -> “* There will be at least 1 Vanilla Townie in this game. Below is a sample Role PM of said role.”

[Joey_]

Also if mafia don’t want kiana to ends up clear they will have to claim VT to cc her, and that is good too since 1v1 etc, a single vt claim is useful in an apparent role madness

[Joey_]

at least 1 implies more than one is possible.

Yes, but we dont know that. Even if only 3people ends up claiming VT its good, maybe if we lynch kiana no one will ever claim VT for the rest of the game. I think that a single VT can be a”named” VT, the only thing that contradicts that theory is the IC which compete for basically the same role (an IC is a named VT).
Anyway, i still think massclaiming could win us the game extremely fast but it wont happens because

[Joey_]

Also you have to realize that forcing a vt claim from mafia is good because then they cant explain the visist if caught etc, anyway we will only know later on if im correct

[Joey_]

at least 1 implies more than one is possible.

Yes, but we dont know that. Even if only 3people ends up claiming VT its good, maybe if we lynch kiana no one will ever claim VT for the rest of the game. I think that a single VT can be a”named” VT, the only thing that contradicts that theory is the IC which compete for basically the same role (an IC is a named VT).
Anyway, i still think massclaiming could win us the game extremely fast but it wont happens because

Because what?


And what gives you the idea this is role madness anyway? We still have no idea what most of the remaining players' roles are.

Better questions: what do more VT claims tell you about Kiana? Why would anybody claim it for no reason just because she did?

CCs work on PRs because there are rarely 2 of the same in one game. And even for a PR claim it is not always correct to counterclaim because the original claim might have been done by scum specifically to expose the info.

1. Educated guess
2. Nothing, its just useful for poe and massclaim
3. I disagree, ccs works on VT in this scenario (if im correct)

[Joey_]

ActionDan has been prodded.

@MOD :
Can mafia use the night kill + an abilitiy?
Can mafia use the night kill + an ability if they are the last member of their faction?

A player cannot perform two actions, factional or not, at once.

THX

[Joey_]

This means that forcing Gamma to do provable actions means that if he is last red, he cannot makes a night kill

@Gamma : With the new info, do you agree to perform a provable action ? and if yess, do you know have roughly an idea how your action can be proven?

[Joey_]

Thats a pretty dumb reason to lynch your hard tr buddy

[Joey_]

4 flavorish roles like relgion spreader who does "nothing" is a big tell for a role madness

[Joey_]

It feels like one tho

[Joey_]

And buja dont be a twat, kiana could be vt as well

[Joey_]

OK, maybe we do need a massclaim sooner tha later. Scum already know where to hit anyway.

I mean, assuming all 3 religion spreaders are Town + 2 VTs + an IC + 2 JOATS (more or less) + at least 3 more scums, 2 of then are paired in a team...

Do we seriously think scum don't have a good chance to hit the PRs anyway?

@brass: Your call. I'm still sheeping you until I figure out something better.

Thx, my point

[Joey_]

I think someone should make a chart of everyone's claims so far and go by that. Then compare it to both scum teams that have already flipped. Since it seems people already claimed, are we mass claiming or are we not? If people are saying 'why are we mass claiming', then think as to why people claimed without reason as well.

Do you even read the thread?

[Joey_]

You realize that i have been making a chart like you described since very early on d2 and been updating it since then ? How is it possible you never saw it

[Joey_]

Resolutions

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

DAY 2

Temporary Ban Gold

[/i]

Protection of Natural Wonders

 

Spoiler: Day 2 Options

DAY 2

1.

[Temporary Ban Gold]

[/i] (non-consec)

IMO hinting at kills in some ways, apparently you might get gold for blood. Also hinting that gold is linked to Religion and that Religious Gold is especially bad.

2.

[Temporary Ban Ivory]

(non-consec)

Saying that it lasted too long and that it's one of the worst thing humanity is doing to the nature. Elephant and rhinos are endangered (Africa?)

3.

[Temporary Ban Furs]

(non-consec)

2 Italian and 1 American clothing brands listed implying they are the leaders in the fur trade. Banning Furs can help protect those animals that are close to extinction, none animal are hinted.

4.

[Embargo Nation]

(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

Implies that the World Congress is going to act on said Nation and that is more than just denunciation.

5.

[Embargo City States]

(permanent, can be repealed)

This one is actually interesting. it says that the City States are really small and that they makes the global politics more complex and that it can interfere with the politic of the others bigger and powerful civilisation. IMO this could mean that there is 3p players with 3P win-con and Town win con. This one could shut-down their 3p win-con, in that way it would make the Global Politics simpler between the bigger and more powerful civilisations (Mafia and Town ?)

6.

Protection of Natural Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

 
Hinted to be linked to Culture (?). It says that we should protect the Cultural Natural Wonders around the world. Maybe it will affect everyone ?

7.

Recognition of World Wonders

(permanent, can be repealed)

In the same ways, it says that there is a Word Wonder in each and every Civ, might affect everyone ?

8.

Funding Arts

(non-consec)

It says that Art in general and around the world will get a boost and will flourish. The Resolution is to make or oppose the making of a program about art in every Civ.

9.

Funding Science

(non-consec, can self assign delegates)

This one is interesting too because it's not what i thought it was before reading the description myself.
Basically it says the the Science in general, around the world, will get a boost and will flourish. But, the resolution is about supporting or opposiong 1 Civ to talk about making a program about science in their own Civ. So this might actually boost Science scum even if we target the IC.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
VT	VT	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader ?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
VT	VT	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes : added baju's claim

[Joey_]

Gamestate ALIVE is literraly what is confirmed by the game and or mechanics and or claims

[Joey_]

We should leash or flip gamma imo, if its not decided what gamma will do tonight we shouldn't consider doing anything else, and that is regardless of my personal read on the slot

[Joey_]

And buja dont be a twat, kiana could be vt as well

Then WTF were you trying to do with your comments about VT and role madness.

I'm sorry if this is me misunderstanding you but I thought you wanted this. You seemed to imply that VT claims are scum except 1 and Gamma sort of agreed.

well you didnt misunderstand, i didnt want to push on kiana because she was the only VT claim and i assumed role madness but, i don't actually know dude, i was just a hunch and i could be wrong. My assumption makes it worth not to lynch the sole VT claim but im not like sure enough to warrant doing VT cc. That being, even if ppl might dislike your claim i actually thinks is fine and make me confirm my read on your slot even more so

@Kokichi massclaim could literraly win us the game, why do you think its dumb logic?

[Joey_]

Also if no one noticed, Buja's claim was 100% town motivated in every shape, angles and form

[Joey_]

prodded?

VOTE: Kiana

Better than any one else

ob

Loss of 2 teammates might make someone apathetic all of a sudden tbh. I think this wagon is reasonable.

VOTE: Kiana

clowns showing up to vote

[Joey_]

What irks me is that Gamma never replied to any of my post asking him directly to agree with using a provable role

[Joey_]

kinda agree with Kana here, AD and Kalzam look p bad.

cough with joey cough

[Joey_]

VOTE: gamma L-2

[Joey_]

Gamestate ALIVE is literraly what is confirmed by the game and or mechanics and or claims

Half claimed doesn't seem worth a massclaim yet

You are forgetting that mefias most likely has most claims than us, this means that they are the one gaining from no mass claim

[Joey_]

We should leash or flip gamma imo, if its not decided what gamma will do tonight we shouldn't consider doing anything else, and that is regardless of my personal read on the slot

What the heck? How do you expect to leash me when you don't know what powers I have?

I asked you, at least twice if not more

[Joey_]

Anything that can be confirmed that you made an action w/o the result of a night kill will work for me for tonight

[Joey_]

Is scum JOAT a thing?

yup, i saw more scum joat than town joat in general, but also gamma couldve lied or found something else if mafia so

[Joey_]

UNVOTE: i actually want to hear gamma's full claim if we really wanna lynch him

[Joey_]

Game's getting boring, gamma claim in your next post pls

[Joey_]

is that a challenge klazoum

[Joey_]

VOTE: gamma L-2

[Joey_]

@Mod: I did not get the "update" PM about brass being a follower of Taoism

there gamma, claim now

[Joey_]

I'm sorry but, using your watcher shot on him last night instead of tonight is a scum claim to me. No way in hell any smart town does that. I don't think gamma is dumb or bad. So he has to be mafia fake claiming.

Here's a thought: I wanted to use my doc shot on him tonight.

Shouldve said that way way earlier

[Joey_]

Another track is weird too

[Joey_]

Its not random obviously, her role is designed with a balance in mind with yours and others

[Joey_]

I think it makes sens for him to plan to not-use watcher shot on n2 if he had a doc shot tho, still

[Joey_]

Is gamma's last red he cannot just claim to have a doc shot and lie/not use it on the IC, it would makes him 100% lynched tomorrow thus against a last-red wincon. At the same time, if gamma's orange there's a lot of gains to get another night

[Joey_]

Gamma

Why did you prefer to use doc n2 and not watcher ? Why Is it more useful to protect an IC than find mefias?

[Joey_]

i think we flip klazoum here btw, if gamma's actually town i can see a klazoum trying to get towncred for the flip

[Joey_]

Klazoum saying that gamma is town but he isnt even trying to build a CW to his hard townread conftown gamma

[Joey_]

i was also harping on the soft guilty but there's really no proof of it. scum could have taken Elbirn's post on it as a soft if they were really paying attention, or just playing it safe with kills. kill numbers should sort themselves out, too.

i disagree, Elbirn pretty much 100% visited gamma there, his soft is pretty darn clear and so was his intent considering he was a weak role. The odds of elbirn being shot there is extremely low you know, i dont like playing on odds but gamma should be lynched one way or another in the next few days

[Joey_]

i think we flip klazoum here btw, if gamma's actually town i can see a klazoum trying to get towncred for the flip

i see what you're saying here, but that only works if Gamma is definitely town.
i'd rather Dan over Klazam, too. Klazami want to townlean.

When i am town and someone i hard townread is being lynched, i try to push a CW really hard, klazoum is basically fencesitting the lynch of his conftown read.

[Joey_]

go ahead. lynch a conftown. have fun

Fuck no

Gamma cant claim
y all lynch me first if y all want

but as long as im alive, youre not fuckign lynching gamma

like, this REALLY doesnt comme accross as genuine

[Joey_]

Also the order of the quotes are mixed,

"as long as im alive your not fucking lynching gamma"

4 posts later

"go ahead lynch a conftowm"

[Joey_]

Pidgey well done at being obvious town btw, not sarcasm

[Joey_]

When i am town and someone i hard townread is being lynched, i try to push a CW really hard, klazoum is basically fencesitting the lynch of his conftown read

where is he fencesitting? i don't agree with his Kiana read but i don't hate it, and i was ok with lynching her earlier, too.

it could be WKing or Gamma buddying (or both) but considering i doubt Klazam is red scum and i like his posts, i don't like the lynch.
what's wrong with Ranmaru/Dan?

pedit: i don't really see what Klazam gains from "lynch me first", especially considering the number of players happy to do that. (obviously there's "to look town")
it's not the worst lynch, he isn't a hard townread, but i think there are better ones.

Its not true chara lmao, he doesn't want to be lynched first. I think ran is prob town and dan is idk, i townread-ish his early posts and i think hes different than when he was mafia but unsure here.

Klazoum is fencesitting because insteand of providing content to pursue his own agenda (not lynching gamma, lynching ran or kiana) He is commenting about information (that gamma is conftown) and he obviously isnt make a decent and genuine effort into conveying his pov (that gamma is conftown by mechanics, apparently). He is also dismissing the soft-guilty which is something scum is much more inclinded to do because they actually know what happened in the night, town dont so its easier for scum to dismiss possibilities that didnt happen. IMO its not coherent to comment (look at this last few posts) on someone that is apparently frustrating to him. Also, just tone wise i feel like hes not genuine so eh

[Joey_]

VOTE: klazoum

Please be coherent with your post that you prefer to be lynched over gamma and self

[Joey_]

@Pidgey trust the kitty cat, gamma if mefia will get lynched eventually that is a non-issue, lets make him doc the IC and flip outside

[Joey_]

WHOS GIVES A CRAP @Gamma @Pidgey make a truce and vote klazoum

[Joey_]

WHAT THE FUCK GAMMA RETRACT THAT

[Joey_]

YAS, now vote klazoum. Chara you didnt react to my post directed at you but i expect you to vote klazoum

[Joey_]

YAS, now vote klazoum. Chara you didnt react to my post directed at you but i expect you to vote klazoum

i saw it, give me a second. short answer: i don't really agree. Klazam did explain why he thought Gamma was mechanically clear. no good reason for scum to target brass (nobody as far as i know has provided this) is a reason.

Well, what about his incoherent behavior ?

[Joey_]

Brass, please lead a wagon on either klazoum or gamma if he keep pushing on obvious town pokemon

@Chara : He contradicted himself in his last two posts

[Joey_]

yassss

[Joey_]

ad town over klazoum anyday

[Joey_]

ad town over klazoum anyday

On what basis?

my reads