Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Bins]

VOTE: Radja

[Bins]

Second choice is still DV. I don't really want to lynch Archwing or Bulbazak.

[Radja]

was interested in how confident you are in your read of me.

I was really confident in my chesskid read. Your input has been pretty good but I know you're charismatic enough to pull something like that off as scum. So because of POE I'd say I'm pretty confident about that. My lynchpool was you/xyzzy/Bins and xyzzy was town so not much room left, is there?

[Archwing]

Bins, radja... Would you down for a DV lynch today?

I got some things to say when I get to a computer. But creature is hard scumreading DV, and I kinda agree. I also was not a fan of CK's slot.

[Radja]

VOTE: DV

Sure thing

[Bins]

You know what I’m down for? A massclaim.

[Archwing]

VOTE: DV

I have no objection to it.

[Bins]

Radja-Archwing for a good scumteam.

No one is really opposing a DV lynch, which I don’t like. Especially considering how Chess and Smocaine acted around LLD.
If DV is town, man is it gonna be one of those retroactive “that was obvious”

[Archwing]

You're saying town!DV = scum!radja 100% of the time?

[Bins]

Only because of my number of townreads.

[Bins]

I want Radja first. If he’s town, then I’d feel more comfortable saying DV is scum.

[Archwing]

Ughhh. I'd rather do DV first.

Hey know what could help? Massclaim

[Bins]

AGREE.

And Radja/DV should start.

[Archwing]

Definitely agree with that. DV preferably.

[DeasVail]

I would really really rather not claim.

Like really.

[Bins]

The fact you’re OK with half claiming like that over full claiming is really weird.

[Bins]

You’re most likely going to be the lynch today.

Pretty much everyone is OK with lynching you. That type of post is weird and now you’re better off just claiming

[Bins]

Actually

EVERYONE but me has listed you as their number one choice
Part of the reason I’m not scum reading you as my #1 choice
But dude you’re fucked so don’t half claim like that

[DeasVail]

If you could order players by how much you townread them and give the reasons, that would be very helpful for following your spiral. Also how do you use scum!Arch to explain the NKs?

I can see why T-Bone and Mima could have been killed regardless of their reads, but was there a good reason for the Almost50 kill apart from his reads? I have no idea personally.

Sorry, backtracking a moment. DV, why would you think Mina would be killed regardless of her reads? The kill on her makes me more suspicious of you. Combined with this statement it kind of confirms to me that you in particular as scum would be super wary of her as a player.

A50 is a very strong town player but he had also claimed VT. Either scum thought he was a gambitting PR or he was enough of a threat to kill despite the claim. Can't remember if that's been said.

Mina was pretty obviously one of the players putting more ~effort~ into the game, and I remember being pretty excited when she talked about how her team was planning to read the game, especially Singer since I've played with her a few times before and I expect that my play so far would be fairly solidly town-me to anyone that has significant experience with me. After I saw the Mina kill, my thought was very much "oh that makes sense" because her reads were still in the progress of being solidified and her whole team was going to look at the game. I think that would have been quite scary to scum, and I also very much doubt that she would have still had a scumread on me today. By killing her before she gets the chance to discuss with her team and update her reads, scum get to keep the status quo, which was, let's face it, trending towards a mislynch on me, which is a pretty juicy thing for scum!

But yeah, I totally agree, the kills don't quite make sense with Archwing as scum. But I townread Bins a bit more for her persistent pushing for a massclaim today and the general "all over the place-ness" of her play before now as well. I townread Bulba because his response to me showed a thought process much more in depth than I would expect from scum, in addition to this being a theme I've noticed from the rest of his posts on reviewing his ISO as well.

I'm mildly surprised that Radja hasn't focused more on trying to sort me, considering that he is reasonably familiar with me outside of mafia, but his response to me does make sense if he had a strong scumread on chesskid, so I don't think it does much to change my townread.

PEdit:

That's fair enough I guess, and it looks like you're right. I didn't realise the situation was quite as dire as it was.

I'm the backup tracker. I tracked Archwing last night and he went nowhere.

[Bins]

OUUUU exciting

Was there a crumb?


This is fine. I was trying to figure out wtf you could be and that works
RADJA LYNCH TIME

[Bins]

Or I guess finish massclaim oops sry

[DeasVail]

OUUUU exciting

Was there a crumb?


This is fine. I was trying to figure out wtf you could be and that works
RADJA LYNCH TIME

I didn't crumb anything. I have no idea if Chess did or not.

And yeah sorry to everyone for the weird halfclaim thing. I was being stupid.

[DeasVail]

I'll be back later to sort out my reads. Obviously the track result is a decentish? part of my Archwing hesitation. I don't know how to feel about it tbh

[Bins]

Doesn’t make me this Arch is more town but I already thought he was decently town
My team has my back here and wants to lynch tf out of Radja


let’s GOOOOOO

[Bulbazak]

Okay, double checked, and Dino

was

a counter to the Fitz wagon. Does anyone think there were any other scum besides Fitz on or pushing the wagon? Or do you think it was all town?

What are your thoughts on this?

Going to use this to answer both you and Radja. I'm torn on the progression of the Math wagon. At one point it did get to 4 people, which rivaled Titus and Fitz. However, I'm not sure how much that means given the mod's continual VC mistakes. The VCs in general were during the time that I had gone V/LA and unvoted, but I'm still shown to be on Titus. You'd think that someone would have pointed that out during the 4 days or so I was gone, but nope. LLD attacked my vote on the Titus wagon (which again, was not actually there), but you'd think as scum that she'd be aware of the actual status and placement of the votes. So was this strategic or did she actually not know? And is that the case for the rest of the scum team? Were they perhaps thinking that they could float a lynch off of a mod mistake, or were they completely unaware? And what about the town that actually should have known better and been paying attention? I don't know. So that makes the Math counterwagon hard to answer for me. Personally, I'm not sure if scum would push Math. That seems super volatile in the long run, and Titus would be way better for them. This also fits with my current Arch read, where UCV was soft pushing Math, but staying on the Titus wagon. And given that UCV's position on Fitz makes complete sense from a bussing pov, that progression fits my understanding of the game the best. But it also bugs me that Math's wagon got up so high, because he was super obvious town, and the thought that it was completely town led really bugs me.

DV, what was it that you wanted to ask me? I'm having a really busy weekend. But I'll see if I can find time to get to your question

I was interested in how confident you are in your read of me.

You needed to wait for Radja to appear just to ask him that?

EVERYONE but me has listed you as their number one choice

Arch is my number one choice. I was asked a leading "out of three" question that is somehow being taken as my actual top reads.

I'm the backup tracker. I tracked Archwing last night and he went nowhere.

Does your role literally say "Backup Tracker"? This is important.