Mini 1997: The Clownspiracy (Game Over!)

[StefanB]

@mod: You said that this hasn't any roles, that are considered non-normal. So if in a normal-game a role isn't allowed, it isn't in the game?

Sorry, I have a second question but that could give mafia tomuch info, so I won't ask it.

[Mathdino]

@mod: You said that this hasn't any roles, that are considered non-normal. So if in a normal-game a role isn't allowed, it isn't in the game?

There are no explicitly non-normal roles or mechanics as listed under the Normal Game wiki page, and this game has been reviewed for balance and non-bastardness by NRG members xRECKONERx and fferyllt. Reasonable greylisted roles/modifiers (such as Loved) are considered within bounds for the design of this game.

[Wh4t]

Wh4t: Why did you ignore that Kokichi was treatening to quickhammer?
You said that Beef should be quicklynched, when nobody is voting him.
And then you are at a moment, when thinks are chancing are voting somewhere else.
Arrgh!!!

Sorry to drive you crazy. I didn't ignore that I said I was ready for a flip. I was kind of done with the day tbh I didn't feel like we had made any progress in the last however many pages.

Yes I put out the idea that you guys were all fighting pointlessly so lets lynch the guy not contributing and lurking in the shadows, only to appear every time someone talking about him being scum. I then lost patience and wanted the day ended (for the second time).

I can see why this is driving you nuts. I don't blame you at all. I'm pretty frustrated with how things are going myself.

[Wh4t]

I don't see Raskolnikovs unvote as scummy.
Because of Kokichi I would call this natural.

I can see this but I believe the context of him calling for votes and then unvoting is what made it scummy to me. I will weigh that when factoring in where he sits on my next readslist.

[Wh4t]

also
UNVOTE: bujaber
good intro.
don't really like kiana's intro, but probtown.

town to scum,

{archwing}
{bujaber, koki, stef}
{cedrick, maki}
{wh4t, gamma, brass, kaito, beef} ****
{kiana, rask}

* = null line. above it are slight townleans, nothing more.

Hi Arch, sorry if this has already been addressed. But can you go over how Kiana went from prob town to scum for you? Just hashing out rereads around Kiana's wagon.

[StefanB]

Other Players:
Beefster: Was never on the waggon, has townread Kiana and defended her, but not in a way that looks out of the ordinary.

Brass/Hiraki: Brass was not on the Kianawaggon, interacted with her, agreed with her scumread on Archwing
Hiraki voted Kiana and has long discusions about it.

BuJaber: Has defended her never on Kiana or Archwing. If someone wanted to get townpoints for reading Kiana right, but not stopps the waggon, imho Bus play fits.

Cedric: Voted Kiana before he got VLA. Unvoted after the first L-1, in 787 he votes Kiana again, because "no one wants to vote wh4t".

Gamma: Was tecnically the first to vote Kiana, unvoted after one vote. Got into a fight with Kiana, while not voting her, and than voted her, but votes pretty soon somewhere else.
Had the chance to go after Kiana in a big way, when that got ugly, but declined Raskolnikovs offer and voted.
Has not voted Kiana since.

Kaito: Not part of the Kianawaggon, mentioned Kiana once didn't think she was scum.

Kokichi: Driving the Archwingwaggon, while calling Kiana scummy. Was the one who wanted to hammer yesterday.

Maki: Did townread Kiana from nearly the beggining, calls both the Archwing and the Kianawaggon bad.

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This are the players minus Raskolnikov, Archwing (the 2 mainsuspects of Kiana from early on), Wh4t (who was all over the place) and me(who I can't give objective analysis on)

From those of, I would call BuJaber and Kokichi the most interesting.
One I haven't gotten that much of a sniff.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Arch

[Beefster]

Care to be more specific and explain why I should be quicklynched? How is that pro-town?

If I'm understanding your unvote correctly, you are backing out because you'll be pseudo-VLA for a bit. I can't help but wonder if it's misdirection.

Pretty sure this is the second time you've used the misdirection argument. If I've voted/unvoted the majority of players it's pretty safe to say it's not misdirection.

Reasons for how quicklynching you is protown:

1. You're scum.
2. You're not gamesolving in any discernable way.
3. If you're town you haven't made it obvious enough that it would be safe to leave you until LyLo should we get that far.

Do you expect a flashing neon sign or something? I don't think most of the town has really made that clear tbh. I'd probably only consider Cedrick and Kiana safe to leave around until LyLo at this point.

I'm not sure how pressuring you isn't gamesolving. I don't really have anything to add to the Hiraki wagon and I think the Kiana wagon is way off.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes, use a post that I made during catch-up and ignore the rest of my postings. That'll work! Wasn't like nothing happened in between!

Does that matter at all?

Are you even a little OK with the amount of deceptive editing Kiana has been doing?

I get your stance and I can't really argue it away. I don't really put too much thought (ironically) into my posts but I'm OK with owning up to being wrong and if I say the wrong things, I'm gonna fix them if someone shows me why they're wrong.

Kiana doesn't do this (which isn't scummy) but has just flat out denied, denied, denied (which is). If you want to just drop it right now that you think that's worse then me saying that this person could be town (i.e. doubt based on the level of their play - if that needed to actually be said after I said Kain Tepes after one of her posts) then whatever. Just don't even try to say that this deceptive stuff is any better.

I don't recall any deceptive editing wtf?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll admit I'm being lazy but people aren't interested in lynching obv scum beef. Since Rask was super scummy with his unvote I'm going to be annoying and vote elsewhere.

VOTE: Gamma

If you said Rask's unvote was scummy,

why the hell would you vote me

?

[Gamma Emerald]

Vig is never scum in normal games afaik, I pretty much joined this setup because it said it was balanced like a normal game, vig fakeclaim is almost unheard of

Even if maf got a vig card as their town card they would have to have their role changed, in that case claiming vig still ???

Wow ok

[Cedrick]

Why can't you hear a pterodactyl go to the bathroom? Because the pee is silent.

why are we talking about a vig?

[Raskolnikov]

Lol read the last page.

[Raskolnikov]

@Beef other than wh4t who would you lynch atm and why.

[Cedrick]

Well, I think this is the end for me. I have no choice but to claim.

I am Clownpiece, and I am a 2-shot Vig.

I didn't want to claim because keeping my power secret would be very useful but it appears that scum are voting me and town are being bad.

What is the difference between a snowman and a snowwoman?
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Snowballs.


I’ll go ahead and cc this. That way we lynch scum and I can shoot wht4 tonight like I said I’d do.

[BuJaber]

Are you x-shot?

Why didn't you cc it when she claimed?

[Raskolnikov]

Fuck I was feeling kind of smug about my insisting for the claim tbh.

[Cedrick]

Are you x-shot?

Why didn't you cc it when she claimed?

What does an angry pepper do? It gets jalapeño your face.

yes I am x- shot

I didn't see the claim until I cc'd

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: kiana

[Raskolnikov]

UNVOTE:
Actually can't you both just shoot each other

[Raskolnikov]

Wait why even claim why not just shoot her

[BuJaber]

....

Okay
Cedrick and Kiana:
Put yourselves in our shoes. You have 2 people claiming vig. What would you do?

[Cedrick]

What did the buffalo say to his son when he dropped him off at school? Bison.

cause I am shooting wht4 like I said. If I am going to go I am going to go with a bang shooting the person I want to. Lynching caught scum day 1 is much better than lynching a random.

[Cedrick]

....

Okay
Cedrick and Kiana:
Put yourselves in our shoes. You have 2 people claiming vig. What would you do?

What do you call someone with no body and no nose? Nobody knows.

lynch the scummiest claim, which is kian

or don't, idgaf what you do really. I am voting kian and shooting wht4.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: kiana