Mini 1998: Super Smash Mafia for Nintendo Switch! [GAME OVER

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't see why a scum beef acted so lazy and "meh" about the gamestate if he was scum getting wagoned seemed like a big fuck you to his scum partner if he was scum also don't see him posting 431 as scum.

Idk I feel like town him cares a lot more, though that's possibly based of a biased sample

I'm inclined to agree with this thought-process based on the same sample that obviously couldn't be mentioned D1. It did feel quite different from that game.

IB thoughts on this? You should 100% know which game we refer to

Brafin

Well, I will agree there. That and his sheeping made me super suspect of him at first. But considering the fact that a number of people are unhappy with their roles, it doesn't surprise me that he was inactive. (That being said: Players, it's just mafia. just play! and Mod: Shouldn't this have been in the normal queue? I mean, it's flavored, but so are most of the games in the normal queue. I'm not complaining (Hydra!) but still.)

Well why do you not agree Beef's play was rather scummy if you are seeing that?

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Firstly, EWBOP: I don't scumread Joey for the lynch d1, is scumread him for the KILL n1 and his relationship to it.

Gamma Emerald: Because he posted five times. Count them: Five. And none of those were AI posts. There was literally no information to be gleaned from his play whatsoever. His lynch was based soley on the fact that he was lurking, which is really, really bad. Now, if he had been lurking, say, because his behavior had been scummy previously, I would have been far more invested in the lynch. But as it was, there was no other reason for that lynch but the fact that he was a lurker. Which means scum manipulated that wagon to make it look like Beef was scummy when in fact he wasn't, and then town sheeped it, which is one reason why I find Joey's response to the whole thing sus as frack.

I'm going to get back to my reads in a bit, but I appreciate the civilized conversation, GE.

[Gamma Emerald]

Both of Beef's vote were terrible tho

[Joey_]

Brafin

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of rob so i will be ignoring you from now on

So I finally make some decent points, and what do you do? You use the excuse of "Not having any fun" to avoid answering any of the questions I just asked you.
You're avoiding the fact that I've asked you some things that you just can't answer, because you really have no good defense for yourself.

Despite wanting to finish my reading becasue I may not still be here d3, I REALLY want this lynched.

you are dense as a fucking rock bud, i dont have fun wasting my time, i dont expect you to ever consider new infos

[Joey_]

Count them: Five. And none of those were AI posts.

thats ehh like.. your opinion man

[Joey_]

Brafin, ppl didnt even vote the meat boi for lurking, like seriously you are frustrating

[Joey_]

Which means scum manipulated that wagon to make it look like Beef was scummy when in fact he wasn't

not it doesnt, maybe town just scumread the shit fuck out of a scummy town slot

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Wall post incoming!

I'm going to hit posts all out of order and a little bir randomly, but bear with.

Both of Beef's vote were terrible tho

I dunno, I would argue that Beef's vote on us wasn't so bad. I mean, it made a little bit of sense considering our play in Earthbound.
In fact, All of Beef's votes had reasons behind them, even if they weren't the best. They made sense from an objective standpoint.

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of

rob

so i will be ignoring you from now on

This is highly evasive and looks like Joey trying to get out of a situation he doesn't want to be in. Also, could the bolded above be a flavor claim? Or is this someone I should know about.

Something else that 's really bothering me is that the moment Brafin attempts any real scumhunting, no matter how forced it reads or bad it is, Joey immediately starts trying to tear him apart with multiple AtPs and claims of bad logic. Which may be partly true, but honestly, what he's doing is somewhat working, trying to generate real discussion in gamesolving, and whatnot. So I don't understand the big fuss. I mean to be honest, d2 was a lot of throwing around accusations until James started posting. That's hardly going to help town. (And this is not accusing anyone of not contributing or saying that every post was just wild accusations: This has just been the general gist of the game since it started.)

Mod: Shouldn't this have been in the normal queue? I mean, it's flavored, but so are most of the games in the normal queue. I'm not complaining (Hydra!) but still.)

I'm guessing this has something to do with the nature of the roles. They may not be normal aligned.

Brafin:

Hold up, I'm confused. What "Jump" makes no sense. I'm logically coming to conclusions. There is no "jumping."

No you arent, you obviously have no damn clue about the game

You are obviously trying to push your idea of mafia and how mafia should be played.

I really don't like this, from either POV. This could have been explained way better by James, but at the same time, this very much highlights the dung hurling that Joey is doing right now. These statements aren't compatible at all. He has no clue about how to play the game, yet he's trying to force his style of play on everyone else? If he had no clue how to play the game, that would be the exact opposite of what James would do here!

Can someone meta analyze Joey real quick and see if he's ever been scum in a game like this before? Or does someone know of a scum game he was in that was similar to this? Because (And I could be very wrong here, just tossing ideas around) this could be newbscum flailing in a larger game. Unlikely, but worth a shot.

lol flaily ? Im just like on my ass to see the terrible posts and logic, and i know what kind of player this is and i know that i always had issues with those.

I could argue that while James' logic is not great, it's far better than yours, and he's beeign far more gamesolvey then you are. I've seen very little logic from you. PLus, "I know what kind of player this is" is very ambiguous. It's a shading AtP (stop shading the corn man) and can also come from scum. As scum wouldn't like tryhard gamesolvers, would they, Joey?

Raks voted me on meta which was ridicule and she quickly changed her reads (mind you, im town). You tho, are voting me on confbias and seriously dysfonctionnal logic, your posts are hardly intelligible with the format you are using

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Brafin

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That lynch on Beef was a blatant, scum-driven

: How and why ? Why was it blatantly scum driven?

TOWN does not push a quick lynch within a week of starting the game. Only scum. Town is not stupid; they want days to last as long as possible.

Conservative mindset for subpar and average player, no offense. I SINCERELY FUCKING SCUMREAD THE SHIT OUT OF THAT MEATBOI. Also, pushing a lynch does NOT equate pushing a quick lynch, if you read my iso i even unvoted at some point because i wanted to give the day more time. Its true tho that i then enabled the quicklynch and that is because i was overwhelmingly confident in my scumread. Quick-lynches might be naturally more inclined to benefit scum in the grand scheme, that is correct, but i had no problem quicklynching beef there. If you want meta, i have quicklynched at least 2 games d1 as town on site.

First off, you actually never unvoted Beef. I just read your ISO, and there's only one vote from you, on Beef. and no unvotes. So this alone is a blatant lie. Then, you go on to say that quicklynches are more likely to help scum in the long run. So why did you quicklynch, exactly? Finally, selfmetaing yourself in this situation does not arn your self any town points. Those scenarios could be wildly different than the one we are facing now, and you said nothing about your scumgame. So saying that you've quicklynched twice as town over the course of a year on this site means very little in terms of anything.

useless to town quick-mis-lynch, and everyone here knows it

: I disagree, i really really did expect a scum flip, why wouldnt you ? can you iso beef and tell me you have any reason to not-think hes scum?

We'll start with the fact that he only posted five time. There's no way ANYONE can get enough info from that. So to say you were sure he'd "flip scum" is ludicrous.

I disagree, just because you dont share my read does not mean that its not valable. You are obviously trying to push your idea of mafia and how mafia should be played. I am a tone reader and im coming from a chat mafia not a forum mafia, im used to form reads or very very few posts/content. And yes, i was damn fucking sure he was flipping scum so sue me

Would you lease exlain how you can be 100% percent confident in a scumread from a player that posted only five times, and while admittedly did not have great posts, actually had posts that were more gamesolvey than almost the entire rest of the game? Plus you've been on the site for over a year. Yet you are still playing on this site wit ha "chat mafia" mindset? ANd yet your accusing JAmes of having no idea what he's doing? Seems somewhat contradictory.

Which means there is at least one, if not two, scum on that wagon.

: Conclusion from wrong premises. You could easily claim that scum didnt want to be associated with a green flip and/or helped the ml, we just dont know as of yet

This makes no sense. I don't even know what you mean by this.

Your conclusion is that theres scum on the wagon, but actually we just dont know. Its true that there is probably one on there just for the sake of probabiliy but trying to guess the number of people on that wagon like that (1 or 2 or 3) is a leap of logic that you shouldnt be comfortable with. You should take another approach at the wagon

So it's illigocal to conclude that since it was a VT flip, there was at least one scum on the wagon, considering that it was a quicklynch? And two seems reasonable considering the nature of the lynch. James isn't "guessing" anything, he's making a rough estimate of the wagon based on the scenario. HE's not even coming out and making any sure claims. He's stating all the reasonable possibilities. Plus, I said more or less the same thing earlier about the number of scum on the wagon, and you didn't say a word about that. Why make such a fuss over it here?

Rask was not particularly helpful or townie or active

: You know Rask was one of the most resistant slot toward the meatboi, her thought process is also genuine regarding her votes toward the meatboi. I personnaly do not know why rask why killed either, i didnt read her as a pr at all so eh

Then what is your point?

That rask could be killed for tons of reasons ? you basically listed 4 reasons why she mightve died, including my names almost everywhere, this is silly

How is this silly?

Sus players of Rask: Joey, Maria, Beef

: That's false, rask outed a scumpool before the d1 hammer and I wasn't part of said scumpool. Why would you include her early scumreads that were not relevant at the end of d1 ? Also if rask fosed beef dont you think there might be a other town who fosed beef too ?

A) Everything is important. B) I don't know what #461 is, but that's no scumlist. There is no request for one, no note that it is a scumlist, nothing. There is nothing else that could be a "scumlist."

Why the fuck are you taking into consideration tha rask fosed me but not that she ended up townreading me ? Why do you even care to take other's read if its to pick information that is feeding your confirmation bias ? I dont even think you are doing this voluntarily. You are right tho that we dont know if 461 is her "official scumlist" But she still ended up flippig her read on me which is the relevant part, it makes you seems uncoherent in what information you take to form your reads

I guess I can see this as a scumlist, but I don't understand how that at all lets you off the hook or makes you nay less scummy right now. Plus, that doesn't mean he townread you. It doesn't mean anything in terms of you. James is not great here, but on the other hand, your response is really bad. Nowhere does Rask ever say he has any sort of read on you.

There's a lot of bull going on in the above post from Joey. Very much trying to shut James down before he really gets started.

Count them: Five. And none of those were AI posts.

thats ehh like.. your opinion man

First off, 7 posts, not 5. I don't know how anyone came up with 5 posts. Second, if we're going to talk about AI and opinions, it's my opinion that Beef's posts were AI leaning towards town. He was actally trying to game sovle. I don't have any clue where your scumread on him comes from, but you should defintiely point them out Joey. Because I think you're BSing to cover bad play.

Brafin, ppl didnt even vote the meat boi for lurking, like seriously you are frustrating

Then please explain what the lynch was on.

Which means scum manipulated that wagon to make it look like Beef was scummy when in fact he wasn't

not it doesnt, maybe town just scumread the shit fuck out of a scummy town slot

Again, what was scummy about a 7 post gamesolving slot?

Brafin

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of rob so i will be ignoring you from now on

So I finally make some decent points, and what do you do? You use the excuse of "Not having any fun" to avoid answering any of the questions I just asked you.
You're avoiding the fact that I've asked you some things that you just can't answer, because you really have no good defense for yourself.

Despite wanting to finish my reading becasue I may not still be here d3, I REALLY want this lynched.

you are dense as a fucking rock bud, i dont have fun wasting my time, i dont expect you to ever consider new infos

How about you stop with the AtPing all over James trying to do reads and shut the frick up for a little while.

Yeah, Acryon might be scum looking for an easy push

Explain this now.

Going to keep reading up on D1 soon.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of rob so i will be ignoring you from now on

So I finally make some decent points, and what do you do? You use the excuse of "Not having any fun" to avoid answering any of the questions I just asked you.
You're avoiding the fact that I've asked you some things that you just can't answer, because you really have no good defense for yourself.

Despite wanting to finish my reading because I may not still be here d3, I REALLY want this lynched.

you are dense as a fucking rock bud, I don't have fun wasting my time, I don't expect you to ever consider new info

Brafin

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. I mean, is it just mudslinging to try to get me to shut up? Is it just random? What new information am I not considering? Or am I misreading that, and do you mean something else entirely? I haven't been able to make heads or tails of half of your posts, but I couldn't even begin to tell you what this means. Help plz.

[InfernoBrafin]

Both of Beef's vote were terrible tho

Since when does bad vote == scum? I vote poorly all the time. All town does. That's part of the game. Bad votes are NAI.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kokichi is prob scum, pint is trying to start conversation

VOTE: Inferno
Serious vote lets go.

Also don't use fucking yellow thats hard as fuck to read on MafSilver and MafSepia.

Same read.

VOTE: inferno I like index as light town page 1. Damn.

Joey is leaning scum for me. But very slight just off feels. I'll see how he progresses

VOTE: Joey damn you really did flip scum.

VOTE: Maria

What's the deal with this? These votes look lazy and opportunistic.

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

VOTE: Joey

Okay this is ridiculous.

I was referring to these two, the first was early game so I glossed over but yeah that's fair IB

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Now, bad REASONING, such as "This guy posted very little, so he's scum;" that's AI, and a scum AI at that. That's half of why I find Joey in my scumpool: his logic sucks, and when someone points it out, he either mocks them, derides them, ignores them, or tries to make them look stupid, all of which are also scum AI.

[Joey_]

Inferno is a bit more reasonable, but is showing also really flawed logic

[Joey_]

Again, what was scummy about a 7 post gamesolving slot?

fucking loled, you just called Beef's iso a 7 post gamesolving slot

[Joey_]

lool take notes inferno, i think you are town just incredibly mislead (also im obviously buddying you because you caught me, correct ?)

[Joey_]

"This guy posted very little, so he's scum;"

like this post is a showcase about brafin's density. I literraly told him that i was not fosing beef about his activity at all yet he keeps making post implying i was.

[InfernoBrafin]

Infenro:

@Gamma:
I think out of context, they look bad, but honestly, calling out KO on the fact that she voted 3 times in the course of 10 posts without any real explanation is not as bad as it looks. It makes sense from a game solving perspective.
And honestly, I would have done the same thing on the Joey vote if I was in Beef's shoes. His reads on the slot are awful.

So they;re not great posts, but they are certainly not scum driven either. Which is one of the reasons I think that the lynch was scum forced, and therefore, why it would not suprise me if there were three scum on the wagon. Though like I've said, this is highly unlikely.

Another thought is that Joey is trying really hard to convince this slot that there were no scum on the wagon HE was on.

P-edit:
A) Shut the frick up on the last post. You're not buddying, that's called an attempt to blow me off by calling me mislead town. You didn't even answer anything, you just blew me off.
B) He did far more gamesolving than you have this game, so I wouldn't be talking.
C) The bussing thing you are so kindly referring to you are misrepping or misunderstanding, IDK which. My point is that I started being obnoxious, and you began to sheep what I was doing. This pshycologically creates a situation where I look at you as town because of the way you are following me around. Because egos. Except I'm a little bit smarter than that. I understand the idea of scum pairing up wiht bad town and I'll admit I'm not great at this game) in an attempt to get the town to sheep them on lynches. Which is what I think you are doing.

[pisskop]

Im here, should get a ketchup post up later.

[InfernoBrafin]

"This guy posted very little, so he's scum;"

like this post is a showcase about brafin's density. I literraly told him that i was not fosing beef about his activity at all yet he keeps making post implying i was.

First off, you voted him. Not even an FOS.
Second, would you please explain where your read came from then? Becasue the rest of us are all just dying to know over here.

[InfernoBrafin]

EBWOP: Post 568 was by

Inferno

. As is this one.

Im here, should get a ketchup post up later.

Mmm, ketchup.

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[MariaR]

Hi

[MariaR]

Skimming the mini fight I think this is TvT for the most part Brain/Joey seem to be on 2 very different wave lengths did Joey want Beef lynched? Yes but so did a ton of other players in the game and you need to look at the motivation behind what made them want to get Beef lynched too. It wasn't just Joey he was a strong voice for it yes but I don't think he would openly do that as scum knowing it's a town lynch on someone like Beef

[Joey_]

"This guy posted very little, so he's scum;"

like this post is a showcase about brafin's density. I literraly told him that i was not fosing beef about his activity at all yet he keeps making post implying i was.

First off, you voted him. Not even an FOS.
Second, would you please explain where your read came from then? Becasue the rest of us are all just dying to know over here.

First off, VOTING IMPLY FUCKING FOSING
Second, my read comes from his limited scumclaiming content that i just misread, get over it. Almost everyone agreed he was scummy because he really was

[MariaR]

I personally don't care about Rasks death because I think NKA is a really shit thing to use but that's my personal thought on it. I'd prob keep Rask alive as scum but blah blah meta.

Why do people tr Index/PK
thank you

[pinturicchio]

Brafin

Okay, now that our cop is dead, we have a serious problem. Time for me to get cracking.

Honestly, Day 1 was bullcrap. That lynch on Beef was a blatant, scum-driven, useless to town quick-mis-lynch, and everyone here knows it. Which means there is at least one, if not two, scum on that wagon.

Were InfernoBrafin on Beef's wagon? No, they weren't. Mayber InfernoBrafin is saying this to separate themselve of being scum just because they weren't on that wagon? I think so, yeah.
VOTE: InfernoBrafin