Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[Almost50]

@Sando: That's exactly what I'm sayin. We lynch profii today and Tracker follows Aus (unless they have a better idea).

[Creature]

So how can we solve this game?

[Creature]

Thinking Ausuka is town anyway

[Creature]

Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

[Creature]

Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

excluding confscum Profii surely.

[Sando]

Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

I'm not believing Taly or LUV for scum or Fitzy for SK. Profii flip now says a lot, I think LUV and Kopherald have largely fencesat, LUV more than Kopherald, and now Aus/Tex are throwing me off since unless Shad is SK they've definitely voted their buddy in a 1v1 at some point.

An SK looking at my plan from the outside was the only person who would look at possibilities instead of "this is scary", and that was Kopherald imo.

Still a better plan though.

[Sando]

@Sando: That's exactly what I'm sayin. We lynch profii today and Tracker follows Aus (unless they have a better idea).

Cool cool, just making sure peeps have seen the implications of hitting a scum right now.

[Creature]

Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

I'm not believing Taly or LUV for scum or Fitzy for SK. Profii flip now says a lot, I think LUV and Kopherald have largely fencesat, LUV more than Kopherald, and now Aus/Tex are throwing me off since unless Shad is SK they've definitely voted their buddy in a 1v1 at some point.

An SK looking at my plan from the outside was the only person who would look at possibilities instead of "this is scary", and that was Kopherald imo.

Still a better plan though.

havingfitz for last scum and LUV for likely SK?

[Shadpearl]

Didn't actually revote in my last post. -_-'

VOTE: Profii

Is that L-1 then? Wow. Unexpected.

@Taly Oh. Is the tracker not just another name for the cop? ( '._.) The games I've played in the "Cop" role sent a PM to the Mod with a player name and the Mod sent back their role. I guess that's not how you play here though.

@Texcat Yeah! Er, exactly! T-totally... Meant it that way.. *lies*
But that does make perfect sense so I'm glad my point still stands, lmao x)

[Almost50]

@Sando: I'm not sure if it was/is a better plan. We have new evidence that profii is in fact lying about having trailed Jimmy. We also would have no indications as to what to do next if you were NK'd next. The town is on the verge of imploding and we need someone/something to reunite us, and I say that someone is you and that something is a profii flip.

[Almost50]

@Creature: If I'm being 100% honest, I'd say your posts today ping me hard as the SK! I can't explain it in words, but my gut is screaming you are the "lone scumster" and have somehow decided to actually play the game against your established meta.

[Creature]

Heh whatever

[Taly]

I think lynching in {Shadpearl, profii} is definitely optimal because there is definitely at least 1 scum in {Shadpearl, profii}- if one of them is SK mafia don't want to resolve it, and if one is mafia the SK probably likes the distraction and won't resolve it either. Tracker isn't a strong PR and if we have 50% chance of lynching scum (speaking mathematically, but due to profii's play around his results the probability is actually a lot higher than that.) We, as a town, need to be resolving issues rather than hoping the mafia does it for us. And I think we can do that by lynching profii today and probably seeing a scumflip.

Hmmm.... I agree with this. There's no true way of knowing a likely NK target, and the more I think about it, I'm not going to find resolution in a good portion of my reads until I see a flip between

profii

or

Shadpearl

.

I'm afraid of lynching another claim. :/ Town is effectively nothing but VTs and a weakened-doc if we're wrong, and

profii

is truthful. Even though it's becoming more likely that profii fakeclaimed, I can't help but waffle there.

My approach to this game is not just about communicating with everyone; but I'm consistently either confident/adequately-reasoned in my reads, or I am very uncertain.

I usually get mislynched or survive to MYLO, where I typically get into another 1v1 then.

@Taly the very last bit

I didn’t want to reveal I was L-1 - I assume I was intent or I wouldn’t have bothered but I can’t remember
I wouldn’t have claimed and wouldn’t want conf town status otherwise - if I’m conf town, I’m more likely to die via Nk

I think doc!shad is low probability and we should kill him which as a by product conf towns me but the priority is the optimal lynch today

1)

Still, why did you push

havingfitz

and I? You didn't even push off the notion that

Shadpearl

had a mild-level case placed on him. What did you hope to gain from that?

2)

The fact that yuo waited until L-1, want to say that lynching

Shadpearl

is going to conftown you, and not really pushing a Shadpearl lynch until I initiated the vote; makes this claim a bit less believable in my eyes.

3)

Plus, what made you question

Jimmy

possibly being scum after

Sando

not dying?

Meh, if I was mafia with profii I probably wouldn't have changed my mind there. I don't mind being tracked though so whatever.

Other than yourself(?), do you think there's any other useful candidate in tracking?

Well yeah, almost everyone is a useful track at this point (apart from Shadpearl lol) assuming profii flips scum. The situation is pretty much the same, whoever you track. Leashing the Tracker is obviously a bad move because Mafia could just send their other member to do the kill; it only clears someone from being SK, which is pretty weak considering 2/3 scum are mafia.

I'm feeling more solid in my

Ausuka

-townread again.

There were 2 kills on N1. If Profii tracked Jimmy to Sando on N1, as claimed, Jimmy would be confirmed as a doc. Jimmy has a PR(he visited Sando). Jimmy does not have a killing role(Sando did not die and two others did).

Oh, I overlooked that.

So by

profii's

own results, he

should've

deduced that

Jimmy

was a doc since, if he truly tracked

Jimmy

and he targeted

Sando, Sando

would've been 1 of the 2 people killed...

Profii

knowing this much, should've stated something to derail

Jimmy's

lynch....

...The only reason I can think of

profii

to fakeclaim the targets, was that he knew that

Jimmy

had already flipped doc, and realized that that would give him leverage.

Cultivating the same logic to be used on

Shadpearl

,

profii

knew that

Almost50

had claimed and would be the last doc...

...So this is sounding much more like a set-up

Shadpearl

lynch, but profii didn't vote, push, or call-out

Shadpearl

. He wants his claim to immediately conftown him, but he's ignoring other potential realities while trying to make sense of his inconsistencies to other people.

~~~

Come to think of it,

Profii

only voted and pushed me when I brought up, yet again, the potential of him being scum. 1049
He only voted for

havingfitz

because it was mostly just to sheep

Kopherald

- 1042

He even placed a dichotomy against

havingfitz

and I in 1050... Which is weird, because his posts this dayphase have seemed to try and create WIFOM or divides, but he's not playing in accordance to the knowledge he claims to have.

I'm seeing how

profii

can very likely be scum now.

Intent to hammer in about 2 hours unless multiple people would rather continue discussion for the day.

[Taly]

Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

I'm still waiting for you to expand on that D1 gut-scumread you had.

Didn't actually revote in my last post. -_-'

VOTE: Profii

Is that L-1 then? Wow. Unexpected.

@Taly Oh. Is the tracker not just another name for the cop? ( '._.) The games I've played in the "Cop" role sent a PM to the Mod with a player name and the Mod sent back their role. I guess that's not how you play here though.

@Texcat Yeah! Er, exactly! T-totally... Meant it that way.. *lies*
But that does make perfect sense so I'm glad my point still stands, lmao x)

No, there are different flavors of a cop-like utility.

Normal cops

get "guilties" by trying to check someone's alignment, and see that they're not town.

Role cops

are cops that learn about a player's abilities.

Trackers

target a player to see who they targeted. It can act like a guilty, depending on the information known in the game.

Heh whatever

I can't tell if you're truly apathetic or just attempting to breed it.

[Sando]

@Taly Oh. Is the tracker not just another name for the cop? ( '._.) The games I've played in the "Cop" role sent a PM to the Mod with a player name and the Mod sent back their role. I guess that's not how you play here though.

No, Tracker tracks people at night and gets a result of whether they visited someone. They'll get the same result for a doc visiting someone as the SK visiting someone.

Hence the claim that Jimmy visiting me is the interesting one, since because I didn't die, and there were two other kills, the only possibly outcome is that Jimmy was the doc. So the argument is, if Profii is telling the truth then he went into D2 with 100% knowledge of the doc and still said the person was "likely to flip scum".

[Sando]

havingfitz for last scum and LUV for likely SK?

I'd say Fitzy/Kopherald as likely scumbuddy for Profii.
LUV/Kopherald/Creature as likely SK on Profii-scumflip.

I don't think Kopherald is independantly scummier or SKier (it's a word now), but he appears in both my lists, so I'd probs go him if Profii scumflips.

[Sando]

Oh, I overlooked that.

So by profii's own results, he should've deduced that Jimmy was a doc since, if he truly tracked Jimmy and he targeted Sando, Sando would've been 1 of the 2 people killed... Profii knowing this much, should've stated something to derail Jimmy's lynch....

C'mon Taly, keep up

[Sando]

havingfitz for last scum and LUV for likely SK?

Oh wait, you think that if Profii is scum, Fitz would've put him to L-2 today? I knew there was a reason I didn't believe the Fitz+Profii scumteam, that was why. Thoughts?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod: Replace me. Recent developments in my life have dropped my interest in mafia to 0.

[Sando]

@Mod: Replace me. Recent developments in my life have dropped my interest in mafia to 0.

All the best LUV

[Taly]

Oh, I overlooked that.

So by profii's own results, he should've deduced that Jimmy was a doc since, if he truly tracked Jimmy and he targeted Sando, Sando would've been 1 of the 2 people killed... Profii knowing this much, should've stated something to derail Jimmy's lynch....

C'mon Taly, keep up

I've been a mess this dayphase. X_X

Grade A mess.

@Mod: Replace me. Recent developments in my life have dropped my interest in mafia to 0.

3: Aw, well good luck.

*hugs*

~~~

It's been 4 hours, and I expected

profii

or someone other than earlier to have posted by now.

I don't think the gamestate's going to change much at this point, and I don't know if there's any value in getting more information from

profii

via questionnaire more so than a flip at this point. I've looked through his ISO and it doesn't make sense for him to be the tracker with his posts. His mentality towards the game does not strike me as town either, which my opinions here was outlined in posts: 867 - 900 - 903 - 1051 and 1052 - 1057

Bottom line; a flip on

profii

either way is going to help town resolve a lot of reads, and there's too many inconsistencies I'm seeing with

profii

than to think it's just town.

VOTE: profii

If this is actually the tracker and that half of the town, including myself, is wrong; then sorry.

[Taly]

I believe that is the hammer.

[Sando]

I believe that is the hammer.

My plan was still better, you're all getting

yelled at

a stern talking to in the post-game.

[Taly]

:/

[Shadpearl]

...I can't believe I didn't die... @~@'
...
*waits to be night killed*

Sando - I really don't think your plan would have worked. It would be too easy for the SK to just ignore and waste valuable day lynches for Town