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@Sando: That's exactly what I'm sayin. We lynch profii today and Tracker follows Aus (unless they have a better idea).
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excluding confscum Profii surely.In post 1253, Creature wrote:Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.Sigh-
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Sando Mafia Scum
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I'm not believing Taly or LUV for scum or Fitzy for SK. Profii flip now says a lot, I think LUV and Kopherald have largely fencesat, LUV more than Kopherald, and now Aus/Tex are throwing me off since unless Shad is SK they've definitely voted their buddy in a 1v1 at some point.In post 1253, Creature wrote:Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.
An SK looking at my plan from the outside was the only person who would look at possibilities instead of "this is scary", and that was Kopherald imo.
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Cool cool, just making sure peeps have seen the implications of hitting a scum right now.In post 1250, Almost50 wrote:@Sando: That's exactly what I'm sayin. We lynch profii today and Tracker follows Aus (unless they have a better idea).-
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havingfitz for last scum and LUV for likely SK?In post 1255, Sando wrote:
I'm not believing Taly or LUV for scum or Fitzy for SK. Profii flip now says a lot, I think LUV and Kopherald have largely fencesat, LUV more than Kopherald, and now Aus/Tex are throwing me off since unless Shad is SK they've definitely voted their buddy in a 1v1 at some point.In post 1253, Creature wrote:Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.
An SK looking at my plan from the outside was the only person who would look at possibilities instead of "this is scary", and that was Kopherald imo.
Still a better plan though.Sigh-
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Didn't actually revote in my last post. -_-'
VOTE: Profii
Is that L-1 then? Wow. Unexpected.
@Taly Oh. Is the tracker not just another name for the cop? ( '._.) The games I've played in the "Cop" role sent a PM to the Mod with a player name and the Mod sent back their role. I guess that's not how you play here though.
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Almost50 Monkey Business
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@Sando: I'm not sure if it was/is a better plan. We have new evidence that profii is in fact lying about having trailed Jimmy. We also would have no indications as to what to do next if you were NK'd next. The town is on the verge of imploding and we need someone/something to reunite us, and I say that someone is you and that something is a profii flip.
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@Creature: If I'm being 100% honest, I'd say your posts today ping me hard as the SK! I can't explain it in words, but my gut is screaming you are the "lone scumster" and have somehow decided to actually play the game against your established meta.
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Hmmm.... I agree with this. There's no true way of knowing a likely NK target, and the more I think about it, I'm not going to find resolution in a good portion of my reads until I see a flip betweenIn post 1230, Ausuka wrote:I think lynching in {Shadpearl, profii} is definitely optimal because there is definitely at least 1 scum in {Shadpearl, profii}- if one of them is SK mafia don't want to resolve it, and if one is mafia the SK probably likes the distraction and won't resolve it either. Tracker isn't a strong PR and if we have 50% chance of lynching scum (speaking mathematically, but due to profii's play around his results the probability is actually a lot higher than that.) We, as a town, need to be resolving issues rather than hoping the mafia does it for us. And I think we can do that by lynching profii today and probably seeing a scumflip.profiiorShadpearl.
I'm afraid of lynching another claim. :/ Town is effectively nothing but VTs and a weakened-doc if we're wrong, andprofiiis truthful. Even though it's becoming more likely that profii fakeclaimed, I can't help but waffle there.
My approach to this game is not just about communicating with everyone; but I'm consistently either confident/adequately-reasoned in my reads, or I am very uncertain.
I usually get mislynched or survive to MYLO, where I typically get into another 1v1 then.
In post 1231, profii wrote:@Taly the very last bit
I didn’t want to reveal I was L-1 - I assume I was intent or I wouldn’t have bothered but I can’t remember
I wouldn’t have claimed and wouldn’t want conf town status otherwise - if I’m conf town, I’m more likely to die via Nk
I think doc!shad is low probability and we should kill him which as a by product conf towns me but the priority is the optimal lynch today1)Still, why did you pushhavingfitzand I? You didn't even push off the notion thatShadpearlhad a mild-level case placed on him. What did you hope to gain from that?
2)The fact that yuo waited until L-1, want to say that lynchingShadpearlis going to conftown you, and not really pushing a Shadpearl lynch until I initiated the vote; makes this claim a bit less believable in my eyes.
3)Plus, what made you questionJimmypossibly being scum afterSandonot dying?
I'm feeling more solid in myIn post 1239, Ausuka wrote:
Well yeah, almost everyone is a useful track at this point (apart from Shadpearl lol) assuming profii flips scum. The situation is pretty much the same, whoever you track. Leashing the Tracker is obviously a bad move because Mafia could just send their other member to do the kill; it only clears someone from being SK, which is pretty weak considering 2/3 scum are mafia.In post 1229, Taly wrote:
Other than yourself(?), do you think there's any other useful candidate in tracking?In post 1219, Ausuka wrote:Meh, if I was mafia with profii I probably wouldn't have changed my mind there. I don't mind being tracked though so whatever.Ausuka-townread again.
Oh, I overlooked that.In post 1240, texcat wrote: There were 2 kills on N1. If Profii tracked Jimmy to Sando on N1, as claimed, Jimmy would be confirmed as a doc. Jimmy has a PR(he visited Sando). Jimmy does not have a killing role(Sando did not die and two others did).
So byprofii'sown results, heshould'vededuced thatJimmywas a doc since, if he truly trackedJimmyand he targetedSando, Sandowould've been 1 of the 2 people killed...Profiiknowing this much, should've stated something to derailJimmy'slynch....
...The only reason I can think ofprofiito fakeclaim the targets, was that he knew thatJimmyhad already flipped doc, and realized that that would give him leverage.
Cultivating the same logic to be used onShadpearl,profiiknew thatAlmost50had claimed and would be the last doc...
...So this is sounding much more like a set-upShadpearllynch, but profii didn't vote, push, or call-outShadpearl. He wants his claim to immediately conftown him, but he's ignoring other potential realities while trying to make sense of his inconsistencies to other people.
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Come to think of it,Profiionly voted and pushed me when I brought up, yet again, the potential of him being scum. 1049
He only voted forhavingfitzbecause it was mostly just to sheepKopherald- 1042
He even placed a dichotomy againsthavingfitzand I in 1050... Which is weird, because his posts this dayphase have seemed to try and create WIFOM or divides, but he's not playing in accordance to the knowledge he claims to have.
I'm seeing howprofiican very likely be scum now.
Intent to hammer in about 2 hours unless multiple people would rather continue discussion for the day."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 1253, Creature wrote:Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.
I'm still waiting for you to expand on that D1 gut-scumread you had.
No, there are different flavors of a cop-like utility.In post 1258, Shadpearl wrote:Didn't actually revote in my last post. -_-'
VOTE: Profii
Is that L-1 then? Wow. Unexpected.
@Taly Oh. Is the tracker not just another name for the cop? ( '._.) The games I've played in the "Cop" role sent a PM to the Mod with a player name and the Mod sent back their role. I guess that's not how you play here though.
@Texcat Yeah! Er, exactly! T-totally... Meant it that way.. *lies*
But that does make perfect sense so I'm glad my point still stands, lmao x)
Normal copsget "guilties" by trying to check someone's alignment, and see that they're not town.
Role copsare cops that learn about a player's abilities.
Trackerstarget a player to see who they targeted. It can act like a guilty, depending on the information known in the game.
I can't tell if you're truly apathetic or just attempting to breed it.In post 1261, Creature wrote:Heh whatever"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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No, Tracker tracks people at night and gets a result of whether they visited someone. They'll get the same result for a doc visiting someone as the SK visiting someone.In post 1258, Shadpearl wrote:@Taly Oh. Is the tracker not just another name for the cop? ( '._.) The games I've played in the "Cop" role sent a PM to the Mod with a player name and the Mod sent back their role. I guess that's not how you play here though.
Hence the claim that Jimmy visiting me is the interesting one, since because I didn't die, and there were two other kills, the only possibly outcome is that Jimmy was the doc. So the argument is, if Profii is telling the truth then he went into D2 with 100% knowledge of the doc and still said the person was "likely to flip scum".-
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I'd say Fitzy/Kopherald as likely scumbuddy for Profii.In post 1257, Creature wrote:havingfitz for last scum and LUV for likely SK?
LUV/Kopherald/Creature as likely SK on Profii-scumflip.
I don't think Kopherald is independantly scummier or SKier (it's a word now), but he appears in both my lists, so I'd probs go him if Profii scumflips.-
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C'mon Taly, keep upIn post 1262, Taly wrote:Oh, I overlooked that.
So by profii's own results, he should've deduced that Jimmy was a doc since, if he truly tracked Jimmy and he targeted Sando, Sando would've been 1 of the 2 people killed... Profii knowing this much, should've stated something to derail Jimmy's lynch....-
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Oh wait, you think that if Profii is scum, Fitz would've put him to L-2 today? I knew there was a reason I didn't believe the Fitz+Profii scumteam, that was why. Thoughts?In post 1257, Creature wrote:havingfitz for last scum and LUV for likely SK?-
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All the best LUVIn post 1268, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Mod: Replace me. Recent developments in my life have dropped my interest in mafia to 0.-
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I've been a mess this dayphase. X_XIn post 1266, Sando wrote:
C'mon Taly, keep upIn post 1262, Taly wrote:Oh, I overlooked that.
So by profii's own results, he should've deduced that Jimmy was a doc since, if he truly tracked Jimmy and he targeted Sando, Sando would've been 1 of the 2 people killed... Profii knowing this much, should've stated something to derail Jimmy's lynch....Grade A mess.
3: Aw, well good luck.In post 1268, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Mod: Replace me. Recent developments in my life have dropped my interest in mafia to 0.*hugs*
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It's been 4 hours, and I expectedprofiior someone other than earlier to have posted by now.
I don't think the gamestate's going to change much at this point, and I don't know if there's any value in getting more information fromprofiivia questionnaire more so than a flip at this point. I've looked through his ISO and it doesn't make sense for him to be the tracker with his posts. His mentality towards the game does not strike me as town either, which my opinions here was outlined in posts: 867 - 900 - 903 - 1051 and 1052 - 1057
Bottom line; a flip onprofiieither way is going to help town resolve a lot of reads, and there's too many inconsistencies I'm seeing withprofiithan to think it's just town.
VOTE: profii
If this is actually the tracker and that half of the town, including myself, is wrong; then sorry."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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I believe that is the hammer."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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My plan was still better, you're all gettingIn post 1271, Taly wrote:I believe that is the hammer.yelled ata stern talking to in the post-game.-
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:/"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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...I can't believe I didn't die... @~@'
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