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As far as I can tell, HS was the biggest wagon.In post 13, Vartsun wrote:Why so quick to pile onto Human Sequencer when there were a handful of other wagons you could've sheeped?
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gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.In post 27, Vartsun wrote:
Because...?In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
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Okay, so first of all, does anyone actually come into a game thinking, "I'm going to criticize the most active players, so everyone will be discoraged from posting!" Because I haven't ever seen it tried, and even if it was employed by scum at a certain point, I highly doubt it had any effectiveness at all.In post 36, Vartsun wrote: One, it discourages players from engaging by actively putting critique that engagement can be scumread enough to put someone at L-2.
Also, I wasn't criticizing you for simply engaging with the game. Your questions seem like they're thrown out there to look pro-town and engaged. Like when I voted HS in RVS, and you asked me why I didn't vote some other person? Like, what kind of AI response where you expecting when you asked that? I doubt you've never seen someone jumping on a RVS wagon because it starts the game faster.
Before this post, you didn't have a scumread strong enough to even place a non-RVS vote. Why do you expect me to have a good reason to vote on post 25?In post 36, Vartsun wrote: Two, it's legitimately a garbage reason to push a scumread on someone
I disagree, and even if that's true, it doesn't make me scum at all.In post 36, Vartsun wrote:because the criticism of 'doing busy work' or 'asking questions that lead nowhere' is laughable.In post 36, Vartsun wrote: That's legitimately not a strategy I employ as either alignment.
Just because you don't do something (if I'm to take your word for it) doesn't mean nobody else does it. You've been townread by basically everyone except me so far, so if that's your strategy, it's been working out well for you.
You know, you could just, like, ask for examples, if you need specific ones. I've already talked about post 11, and post 24 was what made me want to vote for you; the post where your slot demands Mylo puts an RVS vote, which is "protown" but in practice accomplishes very little at that point, and the part where Taly asks me for my thoughts on Lycan, who has only RVS shitposted at that point.In post 36, Vartsun wrote:As Ausuka has not pointed out the way in which they see our questions ACTUALLY lead nowhere, and has failed to illustrate how that's even SCUM PLAY instead of SHIT PLAY, it's a garbage criticism.
Yeah, because that's what I'm doing. Pushing through a lynch. On page 2.In post 36, Vartsun wrote: Aaaaand you know who manufactures criticisms to push through a lynch?
How was it dodging your question? That was literally the most literal and to-the-point answer I could possibly give. It was post 11. Why should I have reads that make me take the gamestate in some direction? Why shouldn't I put a vote onto a wagon in the hopes of getting something started in that way? How does doing this make me scummy, at all?In post 36, Vartsun wrote: Probably the same person who dodges our question about personal motivation with a sweeping 'this is good for the gamestate' answer!No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean, sure, I could see your posts coming from a townie who's really enthusiastic about activity and voting. But the fact that you were responding and talking about so much stuff, even things like HS not bothering to respond to a RVS wagon and Mylo's lack of rvs vote, which are just completely null actions, makes you think you're more likely scum, trying to gather townreads by being active and protown, than anyone else in the playerlist.In post 37, Vartsun wrote:
I disagree with this assessment; both the reasoning and the approach behind it.In post 28, Ausuka wrote:
gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.In post 27, Vartsun wrote:
Because...?In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun
1)My questions and responses always have a purpose behind them, it's of course, to game solve and get people's ideas and discussion put forth.I've told you once, and I'll tell you again; Lycanfire has done nothing indicative of alignment, and I don't care about the votes on him.
Yeah, that's true. I am very willing to do so. I'm not sure how this is relevant to anything though.
What question did I dodge? I said that Lycanfire is null, and I said that you are now a scumlean. That is answering your questions. And I am trying to understand, I just didn't ask a ton of questions upfront, I decided to start a push instead, since it's page 2 and nothing had really happened up to that point. Besides, what could you have said if I asked questions? You couldn't have disproven the notion that your motivation was to look pro-town, nor could you have answered to gut.In post 37, Vartsun wrote: I don't like that you dodged my question by saying this hydra could be scum, and throwing a vote without gauging to understand or question first.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i mean sure, if you want to focus on a read I made on post 25 before anything actually happened, go ahead.In post 52, doomfeathers wrote: Wow. There is definitely a chance Ausuka's case on Vartsun is contrived; I think it's pretty poor.
This never happened at all and I'd very much appreciate it if you stopped trying to discredit me like thisIn post 52, doomfeathers wrote:
Where "calm" means "flying into a rage and throwing things".In post 46, Myloninja13 wrote:I think I'm town leaning Ausuka basically just off her calm nature in a line of suspicion. Few players do that, and much less scum players do that.
Why do you call him towny for this?In post 52, doomfeathers wrote:
+townpoints here.In post 49, brassherald wrote:I was phone posting earlier and the Ausuka v. Vorpal Blade hydra is still "meh" to me.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Wagons for no/little reason are good in RVS, when there's nothing AI to go on. Right now, this game absolutely does not fit that description, and there's not much point in wagoning a lurker right now IMO.In post 68, Human Sequencer wrote:
this is really badIn post 65, Ausuka wrote:I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.
i take it back let's not do a voyc wagon
vote ausuka
this gels really poorly with your comments earlier about rvs wagons being good
like I can see a perspective for each side, "early pressure wagons are good because they generate informational and propel the gamestate forward" and "there's no point voting x because they haven't done anything scummy and there's still plenty of time left"
which makes me think you're haphazardly throwing fake perspectives around as you wish to fit what you need at that particular timeNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I looked into it myself.In post 81, Voyc wrote:
Are you going off from what brass said or did you look into them yourself?In post 71, Ausuka wrote:that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
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I think I've explained most/all of my scumreads at some point. I'm willing to admit that the point I made in post 25 is pretty much NAI, I scumread your slot now for other reasons that I was trying to explain in 61. After I made one weak post, your slot suddenly jumped on me, and acted like you had a full scumcase on me on page 2, including saying that I was scummy for putting someone at L-2, which means pretty much nothing, saying that I was pushing for you to be lynched on page 2, and saying that I was dodging your question when I answered it in the most direct way I could.In post 78, Vartsun wrote:What bothers me most about Ausuka right now, and it may be a playstyle thing but I don't think it is, is that Ausuka is willing to drop paragraphs of justification and response to being pushed--however, when it comes to Ausuka actually making pushes or engaging with other players, Ausuka is very silent about why.
no, this is still wrong, and I don't know why your slot keeps pushing as if I was doing that.In post 78, Vartsun wrote: Ausuka's criticized our slot as 'trying to look pro-town' for giving rationale to our engagement and pushes as we've been making them.
no, I'm literally just answering your points. like, I don't even get what you're trying to say here.In post 78, Vartsun wrote: Ausuka is playing in a way that they think isn't overbearingly town, but when their motivations are called into question, they default to playing in the way they think town should play. It's inconsistent. It's scum.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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actually I probably will try to do something like that, and I'll do it for the other posters too. I have a lot of free time right now and this game is only four pages long. Note that these players are in playerlist order.
Spoiler: Voyc
Spoiler: Lycanfire
Spoiler: doomfeathers
Spoiler: Myloninja
Spoiler: Human Sequencer
Spoiler: skitter30
Spoiler: brassherald
I think {Voyc, HS, skitter, brassherald} are all probably town, {Lycan, doom} are around null to me, and {Mylo, Vartsun} are scumreads.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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oh no, nothing personal going on here. definitely not.In post 92, Vartsun wrote: you fucking trash personNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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No, I don't really understand where you're coming from. It seems like the crux of your read is based on an early read I made on post 25; I had little to no conviction in that read, and I'm willing to accept that it was a bad point (which doesn't really make me scum.) However, it feels like you are twisting my read from "trying to look town with a fakeish tone" into "you're playing pro-town, so you're scum." and even after I have explained this you still seem to be pushing me from that. And I don't see why you think that all the votes I made have been made with "little justification until after the fact." My vote on HS was pure RVS, and my vote on Voyc was explained in the post I made it. I will admit that I should have put my justification in post 25 itself, but I explained the vote soon afterwards, and I don't see how that's scummy anyway. Additionally, it felt like up to this point, it felt like you were more concerned with lynching my slot than sorting it, despite the fact that it's still the start of d1 and no reads are that strong right now.
You also say I'm scum for giving rationale when I criticized you for giving rationale, but this is invalid, because me criticizing you for giving rationale never happened.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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1. I mean, it's not like I can't be wrong about a weak read on page 2. I just felt like you were making an effort to look towny, if that makes sense? I've already said I'm willing to admit it's a bad read, but the way you've interacted with me after that is what makes me scumread you.In post 114, Vartsun wrote:Alright, so, can we sort that into places where we've got a fundamentally different understanding of what's happening?
If I try to break it down...
1. You explained what you thought scum playing as though they were town looked like and accused us of playing that way--because we're actually town, it feels like you're just trying to drown out our engagement.
2. My reasons for pushing you have developed from there, it's just that I feel that the point is still relevant.
3. I don't see your votes as being very explained until they've been given more scrutiny--like I said before, you following up with more justification reads as scummy to me because of how you said that our tone looked fake, but I saw a lot of the same tone in you explaining your reads.
4. I'm merely putting pressure on your slot. It's very important to have conviction when pushing someone. If I was half-assed about it, you could ignore my push altogether and it'd be less effective in generating content--and I need that content to actually further sort your slot and help other players further sort your slot.
5. You criticized us over 'seeming like we were faking town', which I've read as criticism over our engagement and rationale. I'm trying to be transparent so that more people can easily sort us and work with us so that we can figure out who scum are. I don't like it when I push a case and people don't know why I'm even pushing a person.
2. fair enough.
3. No, I often don't give reads exactly when I place votes, and that's probably a bad habit, but I don't see why it makes me more likely to be scum? And I don't think I have the same tone that you did at all.
4. Yeah, okay. I felt like you were pushing me rather than trying to sort me because at some point you stopped responding to me, which seems counter-productive if the aim is to sort my slot.
5. I've already admitted that my point there was weak, and it's not about rationale and engagement- it was basically just a toneread that you were trying to look towny? idk, if I could explain it well, I would've done it already.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I think myloninja is scum. It feels like he's been picking on easy targets in 31, saying that the active players are townies and those who haven't posted as much (and are less able to defend themselves) are scum. This is made even worse by the fact that, despite his criticism of brassherald and Voyc for not posting much, he has been lurking more than anyone else so far.In post 121, Vartsun wrote:@Ausuka: I wish you could explain it better.
Who do you think is scum, at this point, and why?
I think you're scum as well, because I feel like your push on me was very strong for weak reasons. The fact that you accused me of trying to push through a lynch on page 2, and trying to discourage activity, is scummy to me; I don't think scum actually does these things, and you accusing me of doing so this early feels far-fetched to me. You've also pretty consistently pushed me as scum for putting you at L-2 early on; and I have never understood that play, either. It feels more like a fabrication of a case than a real one.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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No. The wagon still requires two more votes to reach a lynch, and there's no serious risk of a two-player quickhammer at this point, but it's more likely to get reactions, at least in my experience. I've even seen (experienced) players put wagons at L-1.In post 126, Vartsun wrote:@Ausuka: If you're putting people at L-2, do you not intend to see them lynched?
That's actually interesting; can I have a link to one of these games? I've never seen a RVS wagon get to lynch, and I would expect that if that happened, whoever quickhammered the wagon would be almost instantly lynched d2.In post 126, Vartsun wrote:I've seen scum push through RVS wagons and I've seen scum control game rhetoric plenty of times--I've done it a lot as scum, myself.
Fair enough.In post 126, Vartsun wrote: On the point of fabricating a case versus having a real one, it feels like I could say the same thing about you, so I don't really know where that gets us.
I mean, I get where you're coming from on that... but myloninja IS a lurker slot. He's contributed nothing, other than saying "We should vote for these other lurkers!" It feels really fake that he would push them for that despite him doing the exact same thing, especially considering that the game was so early on that these players couldn't really be lurking, in the traditional sense.In post 126, Vartsun wrote: I don't think Myloninja is scum for trying to bring attention to slots that have posted less. If anything, we should be trying to get those lurker slots more into the game.
I'm not sure what the point of doing so is quite early, and it doesn't look real to me, whether he's claiming they're scum or not.In post 126, Vartsun wrote: I'm not entirely certain that Myloninja actually is saying they have a scumread on those players, but instead seems to just be trying to put pressure in those places.
A lot, but I only remember games from this current site meta. It might explain some things if you were used to an older site meta where different things happened? Because I'm used to day 1 lasting 100 pages, not 2In post 126, Vartsun wrote: Ausuka, how many games of mafia have you played before this one?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Well, I stand corrected, I guess. I think boonskiies used to have a reputation for hammering all L-1 wagons though?In post 128, Vartsun wrote:Embarrassingly, the first game that comes to mind is Diamond Shreddies 2, where I was complicit in it: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60632
Meh, I think when you vote someone, it's kinda inherently implied you want there to be a wagon on them. And the reason I think it's weird from Mylo is that his post was actually his second post of the game. I think his criticism of lurking there was somewhat hypocritical. (and yeah, I do view the vote as exactly that.)In post 128, Vartsun wrote: I don't see where Myloninja is calling for OTHER people vote lurker slots, just that he votes brass for having 1 post so far.
Yeah, I agree there's not much to read in it, but from what there is, I lean scum on the slot.In post 128, Vartsun wrote: I actually don't think there's much in Mylo's ISO that lets me read them either way. I'd still lean it more town than scum because their observations seem less like positioning and more like explaining developing reads, but it's reaaaal scarce in that ISO.
I think I do have quite a lot of experience. I had almost 9000 posts on my old account, although I don't think this means as much as it used to in the new meta. Although, I think you can reasonably read into the motivation town and scum have for doing things without having a lot of experience.In post 128, Vartsun wrote: I've been playing (mostly) on this site for the last five years, fairly consistently. I am more used to the modding side of games, where the medium-to-large setups that I mod go to 100 pages, but I've played and run games where day phase has been very short. I was curious of your experience, because I'm not sure if you're coming from an informed place with lots of experience or just postulating based on what you believe to be the case, especially when it comes to things that town or scum 'would' do.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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@gamma; I would do that, but I think it would violate the ongoing games rules, because I'm just a player.
As long as you don't advertise specific game details people couldn't get from just looking at it, I think you're fine, plus my game my rules, and I'll probably be able to determine if you've done something out of lineNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Nero has been scumhunting so far and this looks like town!him.In post 234, Vartsun wrote:
Can you elaborate a little on each?In post 232, Ausuka wrote:rn I'm thinking nero is town. I still like the myloninja wagon very much.
I'm curious how you came to these conclusions.
I've already talked about my mylo read and his last post definitely doesn't make that any better. He isn't really scumhunting there, and the reads all feel pretty empty to me? It also makes me feel like my current theory, that the scum are mylo and JJD, is correct. Actually; @myloninja; what posts from HS did you feel were "good posts" and worthy of a townlean?
It's not like I'm sure of my read but I'm not really sure of anything so far, so w/e. Maybe a brass replacement will help.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Hunting for scum in an organic way is towny. I see that in nero and I saw it in lycanfire. To me, two towny players in one slot makes for a very towny slot.In post 238, Vartsun wrote: @Ausuka: In what ways is the scumhunting (or lack of it) that you see from those slots indicative of a town mentality?
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I'm definitely starting to think Vartsun is town, now. They look genuine, and interested in finding scum.
I like the mylo wagon because Mylo has been consistently scummy; first in 31, which I have explained in detail already, and then in 200, where he's really fence-sitty and doesn't give strong opinions apart from on me. I think mylo is a good lynch today, in general.
However... deadline is in 21 hours, so, I have to compromise today.
VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd
I still think the scum are JJD and Mylo; JJD has been arguing a lot about how Voyc isn't as towny as people think, but not really anything relevant. I kinda like Ruby so far. My vote on voyc was based on 70, not 68; I thought voyc was at least a little scummy so I decided to hop on the wagon and see what happened. Not sure why Ruby thinks mylo is a townie, and Taly's reasoning for that is also really ??? to me. I like the skitter lynchpool of {jjd, mylo, voyc} I think; voyc popped in when she got wagoned but now isn't really doing anything again?
This post isn't nearly as big as I thought it'd end up being but, oh well.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I was going to type a response but I think 309 makes it very clear that JJD is scum and I suggest that someone hammers this.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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The point is that your main effort has been to make people look less town rather than to scumhunt. It has nothing to do with Voyc's alignment or anything like that.
I didn't even know it was plurality tbh. But even if it is, I'd rather we moved to night quicker and went on to d2 quicker.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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In post 320, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:In post 317, Ausuka wrote:The point is that your main effort has been to make people look less town rather than to scumhunt.What people? Give me names. I'm only aware of my argument against your reasoning for Town!Voyc.
Also, how do you know anyone is indeed town? Why would you expect me to "make" people look town rather than suspect then until I'm satisfied they are?The main thing you have done in this game is try to make Voyc is less town and get angry at people, instead of finding scum like a townie.
Satisfied?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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This has NOTHING to do with Voyc's alignment and it has EVERYTHING to do with you not scumhunting. Simple as. I don't know Voyc is town, but if you are indeed scum like I suspect, that makes her town for almost certain, yes.In post 324, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:@Ausuka: Thank you. So it wasonlyVoyc and not "people" that I presumably trued to "make look less townie". Now let's go back to how youknowshe's town as opposed to "think" she is. And why does it make me scum if I won't yield to your will of determining who is town and who is not for weak sauce?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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yes, if you're town, your not claiming was god-awful play and borderline gamethrowing. that has nothing to with anything to do with Voyc, and you jumping to conclusions about my character is totally unjustified. But I guess you're just scum here and it doesn't matter.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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