Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[Vaxkiller]

You started so towny

[Vaxkiller]

But now im realizing u were jsut buttering me up

[Brian Skies]

I'm town though.

So by default your scumteam is wrong.

[Brian Skies]

I've also voted Arc and said that TBone's vote on her wasn't completely awful, so obviously I have some issue with her play. But to my knowledge, she does this as both alignments.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vax you didn't answer about AA9 - in fact you seem to be ignoring most of the game?

[T-Bone]

Yeah seriously. I'm accusing Brian of building a scum case and even he isn't taking the low hanging fruit despite being given an excuse to do so.

Preedit: I am currently voting hyung, Cheeky(haven't switched yet)...so at the very least you could entertain my questions about Brian. I post things like that for the benefit of the town and the benefit of my own read, so it would be nice to have some feedback.

(and no Brian, I am not ignoring your feedback, I saw it)

I'm letting you two play out. I'll give my thoughts when it's clear you two are done.

We're done. Notice the lack of arguing.

I didn't say anything.

I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LEFT OUT SHEESH

[Vaxkiller]

Wahtdidnt i answer.

[Brian Skies]

I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LEFT OUT SHEESH

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And I would put my criticism of Pine in the same place I put mine of northsidegal. Content that is easily faked and lacks meaning beyond the surface.

I standby my claim of having no idea how to read Pine.

But I definitely feel like NSG should be a person more capable of making good content and I don't think I've seen that yet.

She's still on V/LA though, but god forbid I call her out and have her break her V/LA again.

LOL.

What is your read on NSG any way? And what do you think of people just sorting her as town as if she's done something majorly alignment indicative?

Also, for the record, every time I open Cheeky's iso, I still get the same "I don't really want to lynch this, this doesn't really look scummy to me," but everyone keeps saying she's scummy and that's the only reason I doubt myself.

[CheekyTeeky]

@TBone: Ok well I feel like you're both misunderstanding each other. I feel like Tbone is misunderstanding Brian more than vice versa. Tbone could have answered the points in Brian's case and shown how they were faulty instead of jumping on the delivery and saying points were false without really explaining how they were false. I agree that Brian looks scummier particularly when he "refused to read your wall" because it proved TBone's point about lack of objectivity in Brians push. In a way you're both guilty of trying to see the other as scum and overtalking one another.

[Brian Skies]

I feel like Tbone is misunderstanding Brian more than vice versa.

If we're both town, it's probably the other way around.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wahtdidnt i answer.

Well that suggests to me that you don't really care about following up your questions...

Cheeky, waht do you think of archangel?

This is literally her whole ISO:

Spoiler:

Hey scummies... Give me a day. Will catch up!!

Just got back and i am going to catch up in a bit. So will join the party

Damn.. i am so behind. so lets me pick up the race from here.

who is getting lynched?

VOTE: arcangel

Whats your motivation here?

Sorry for my lousy gameplay town.

So who are we lynching today?

his is the second time arc's completely ignored trying to play the game and just asked people who to lynch instead and she's a bad enough player that I honestly think she'd do this as either alignment so let's just make her fucking dead soon

Aaa... How does this is going to help the town?

Aren't you rather hunt for scum then picking on other stuff?

I don't know about the current site meta for lurking but on another site this would be a dead give away for scum. I'm also not familiar with this player at all.

The half-hearted attempts to scum hunt and the explicit self-awareness of their table image is enough to warrant a scum lean but would scum really be this obvious?

What do you think Vax?

It's pretty lol that you just push out a scumteam when you're clearing not reading the game.

[Vaxkiller]

Also, for the record, every time I open Cheeky's iso, I still get the same "I don't really want to lynch this, this doesn't really look scummy to me," but everyone keeps saying she's scummy and that's the only reason I doubt myself.

I dont understand how you can feel this way. It doesn't necessarily make you scummy, but is super suspicious. Especially when we flip them.

It's day 1. We should be look at wagons like this: Unless you are town reading them, get on the wagon.

[Vaxkiller]

@ cheeky. I am ever so slightly familiar with their meta and I do scum read them for it.

[Vaxkiller]

It's pretty lol that you just push out a scumteam when you're clearing not reading the game.

please, like scum give such precise reads

[Vaxkiller]

We re lyching arc or cheeky today and people who are acting like we are not are kidding themselves.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like you really dont think cheeky and arc are scummy as fuck?

why the fuck are you asking your scum read

[CheekyTeeky]

Also, for the record, every time I open Cheeky's iso, I still get the same "I don't really want to lynch this, this doesn't really look scummy to me," but everyone keeps saying she's scummy and that's the only reason I doubt myself.

I dont understand how you can feel this way. It doesn't necessarily make you scummy, but is super suspicious. Especially when we flip them.

It's day 1. We should be look at wagons like this: Unless you are town reading them, get on the wagon.

I've been the only wagon today. You can come back to me EOD but town you should want more info.

[Gamma Emerald]

We re lyching arc or cheeky today and people who are acting like we are not are kidding themselves.

no, and bad on you for trying to railroad the lynch

[CheekyTeeky]

Vax is a joke. He's bullying people into rushing a lynch for no reason.

[T-Bone]

It is hard to gauge her in full, because she had this v/la, and her activity has come and gone otherwise, and no one has sustained interactions with her. I also find her timing to be super odd (like when Gamemerald called her scum for something and she magically appear 5 minutes later despite being on v/la) I think people sorting her as town when she hasn't done much kinda supports my criticism of her doing busywork. It looks good, it looks productive, but it actually isn't. I'm in the lean scum territory.

I don't think you were really directing it at me...but I gave my thoughts on Cheeky a few pages ago, and they haven't largely changed. (and other than GooeyGamma no one even said anything to me about it)

And Cheeky...me not addressing Brian's wall isn't about being unwilling to go point by point and show where he is faulty...that isn't productive, and I try very hard not to get in a point by point back and forth with people (because then ultimately I am either playing into scum!player's hand or getting away from what town!player wanted to say in the first place). The specifics of Brian's post is for ya'll to decide on, not me.

And I think delivery is WAY more important than content when it comes to discovering someone's alignment. Again, this goes back to a fundamental of scumplay...and that is doing things that look busy. I think breaking down an entire ISO isn't even helpful from a town perspective (because now you are looking for things to confirm your bias)...but it is super helpful from a scum perspective, and thus, how I chose to see it. And then I asked what everyone else thought...because maybe I am biased myself because the case is on me, and I know it is 100% wrong. I don't want to tunnel Brian because of that (and also I don't want to tunnel if I'm wrong), which is why I immediately asked for people to either agree or disagree with my assessment. Which is why I ask for feedback when I make substantial statements, because I'm trying to have perspective, and trying to be very clear about my thought process so everyone knows where I stand.

[T-Bone]

Bah all those prededits. The first two paragraphs were in response to Brian's 982, the other two in response to Cheeky's 983

[Brian Skies]

I dont understand how you can feel this way.

It doesn't necessarily make you scummy, but is super suspicious. Especially when we flip them.

It's day 1. We should be look at wagons like this: Unless you are town reading them, get on the wagon.

Well this certainly feels like a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' sort of situation, and regardless of her flip, no?

It doesn't really make sense for me to lynch someone just because, does it?

Why do you want her dead anyway?

We also have 5 days left so why do you keep pushing this idea that the day

has

to end?

Do you not get that I don't like the option that you guys keep trying to shove in my face and I'm exploring other options (AA9 who was nonexistent, Vecna who I still don't think has done anything majorly town-indicative, NSG LOL, TBone who I think did something that could be scum-indicative and it's why I'm pushing him)?

If you think it's suspicious that I don't scumread her and that I should (for whatever reason), then don't you think it makes more sense to explain to me or convince me why she needs to die today instead of just trying to strongarm it onto me?

[CheekyTeeky]

It's pretty lol that you just push out a scumteam when you're clearing not reading the game.

please, like scum give such precise reads

What does this even mean? Your confidence, if that's what this is, is extremely fake as you have no basis for these reads.

[Vaxkiller]

We are starting the arch wagon. I will come back to you end of day if no one believes me about the arc wagon. I feel more strongly about arch than you, but not by much.

Waht do you mean by "town you should want more info"

Sounds like some shade. Why don't you just come at me?

[CheekyTeeky]

Bah all those prededits. The first two paragraphs were in response to Brian's 982, the other two in response to Cheeky's 983

Ok I'm following your thought process on Brian. Sidenote, I thought your vote was on AA9 not Hyung? Did I miss it?