Micro 798 - Splatoon Mafia - Game Over

[Vartsun]

YEAH IT'S ALMOST LIKE I TOWNREAD MYLO AND I THINK THEY'RE A BAD LYNCH AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF PEOPLE'S RATIONALE FOR VOTING THERE
anyway

It also bugs me a good deal that this game does not crib any mechanics from Cheetory's Paint Mafia games, as I thought it'd be an excellent theme to do so in.
I guess we can't all be winners, Gamma.

-V

What did you mean by this, Vartsun? How do you know the game doesn't crib any mechanics from Paint Mafia?

@Mod This game isn't an open setup, is it?

This game is closed.

Cheetory's Paint Mafia games all had a public mechanic wherein every player could be 'painted' different colors with each team having inherit colors (red and blue).
Since Splatoon is a game in which the goal is to paint as much of the arena as you can in your team's colors, I was a bit surprised that there was no public mechanic that emulated that aspect of the flavor given there's precedence for paint-related mechanics on-site.

[Ruby Red]

@Ausuka: I wish you could explain it better.
Who do you think is scum, at this point, and why?

I think myloninja is scum. It feels like he's been picking on easy targets in 31, saying that the active players are townies and those who haven't posted as much (and are less able to defend themselves) are scum. This is made even worse by the fact that, despite his criticism of brassherald and Voyc for not posting much, he has been lurking more than anyone else so far.

I think you're scum as well, because I feel like your push on me was very strong for weak reasons. The fact that you accused me of trying to push through a lynch on page 2, and trying to discourage activity, is scummy to me; I don't think scum actually does these things, and you accusing me of doing so this early feels far-fetched to me. You've also pretty consistently pushed me as scum for putting you at L-2 early on; and I have never understood that play, either. It feels more like a fabrication of a case than a real one.

yeah maybe this can be a wolf

[Ruby Red]

How do you feel about

skitter

?

I'm pretty unsure about Skitter, something's bothering me, but I'm not sure what it is
I can also see where her posts could be coming from as town though
Basically, I'm really not sure, a scumlean on her would be more a "if I absolutely had to say one or the other" one

I have a pretty clear TR on Skitter just from the pointed questions she's been asking ("why brass over voyc?"). The worst thing she's possibly done is never interact with Ausuka while using one of their quotes as a defense. I noted in the Team Mafia tiebreaker that Leonshade whiteknighting GIF to his buddy was a safe play, which somehow turned into a blind TR of his buddy later on for no reason. Don't ask how we lost the tiebreaker. I suppose what I'm trying to say is this isn't super wolfy, but if Skitter is a wolf, Ausuka is a villager.

I'm really not getting how youre getting that association between Skitter and Ausuka?? Could you explain that again?
Also, would it be the same vice versa? If Ausuka is scum, Skitter is town?

Doomfeathers is seemingly suspicious of everything. Wanton suspicion is townie, but it's a house of cards deal. If you have so many concurrent thoughts how are you able to rationalize them all at the same time? At some point you have to make assumptions. Even uncomfortable ones. If the disparity is so great, it's absolutely expected to lash out at the people causing you dissonance and 'correct' what is wrong. I suppose what I'm trying to say is, I'd expect more questions and a lot more sense. I want a dancing bear, not a juggler.

Who/what are you expecting this from?
A town player? Doom? If you're expecting a "dancing bear" from Doom, based on what?

this can be v i think

[Nero Cain]

I think they do.

you do?

b/c I think there's a huge difference in "I don't like this wagon b/c I disagree with the case" and "this wagon popped up out of nowhere and I don't like it."

All wagons have to start somewhere so...like if you want to argue that there's scum that was sheeping a bad case that's fine but I don't think you made that argument and if you did it got lost in your sea of walls.

Now true, you did say

I don't trust meta reads... almost ever, and I don't feel inclined to follow someone on a meta-read who hasn't really explained it.

in response to my criticism but that's very much in conflict with your original post about not liking the wagon b/c it popped up.

[Ruby Red]

yeah i like stopped reading page 9

[Ruby Red]

Voyc v
Lycanfire can be v for now
doomfeathers
Myloninja13 v
Human Sequencer
skitter30 v
Ausuka
brassherald v
Vartsun

where i'm at

thinking there's one wolf in Ausuka/Vartsun. doomfeathers looked surface towny but gives me gut pings. if there's a wolf in my villager reads it's lycanfire or voyc

[Ruby Red]

so basically dredd's entire iso is just talking about how the wagon thing doesn't make ausuka town

i'm feeling there as the lynch

VOTE: dredd

[skitter30]

Now, can somebody tell me again why Voyc is town precisely because she had 3 votes on her?

@Doom: I don't see scum-Voyc put at L-2 with almost no resistance and Voyc just kind of shrugging it off as likely as it is that scum threw momentum behind it and then backed off.

Doesn't ensure Voyc as town or anything,

but I also don't really see much scum agenda behind Voyc's votes (or lack thereof) either. Voyc just doesn't seem to be exerting a lot of influence over the game, imo, and I tend to townread that more than scumread it.

-V

I think you're kinda misrepping Varsoon a bit tbh.

--

So, I do not know what X' alignment is, not do I know the alignments of their voters, so it's NAI for now.

I think it's defintiely possible to get reads from the gamestate or how wagons formed without directly reading the actual player or knowing the alignment of said player. Like sometimes I get reads on slots from how *everyone else* is intereacting with the slot, instead of from what the slot actually did.

Like I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a read on a slot because of a wagon.

--

Out of 8 people; I'm only confident in maybe... 2 or 3 reads?

Which reads are you confidant on and why?

Taly Head Thoughts: Mylo's null to me; activity is not often AI, and his most notable thing is that his brass vote is still on.

That his brass vote is still on *even though he's townleaning brass*. He has like five posts in over a week and none of them have been particularly impressive.

I can't tell if this post was to breed apathy or take a lazy route in game solving.

I can kinda see scum finding an easy mislynch in town!vartsun by pushing it as policy tbh.

--

This quote embodies most of my problems with the playerlist right now.

I mean, your slot was kinda toxic and was largely directly responsible for 1/3 of the game repping out.

I get that there's two of you, and I like how *you* play, but like, I have to take both heads into account, and varsoon contributed to an unhealthy/toxic/hostile gamestate that made/is making this game kinda hard for people to play. And you don't seem to be around as often as varsoon is.

So, like, that's why people I think are focusing more on varsoon than you, and like, I get why you're annoyed, but I don't think it's unfair of everyone else to view your slot that way.

Want to know what happens when/if Varsoon/I gets PL'ed? We're going to flip town. Another townie's dying N1, and literally nobody's going to find much resolution in their reads at 7p left, presumably a 5-2 setting.

Yeah that's why I'm not really feeling a PL even though it would probably help the gamestate in at least the toxicity-sense. Not sure you're flipping scum and I feel like I can work with you (taly) and even though your slot was kinda toxic, it also has driven much of the game-content, and if you guys aren't here, I think there will be less content and the game will still be apathetic, albeit for different reasons.

More tomorrow at some point.

[Vartsun]

This is me when I read Doomfeathers' recent posts. (252, 257, 264)

The guy in this GIF is a metaphor for Varsoon seeing me regain a sense of reads within this game.

This is a prelude to a whole post where I'm trying not to lose my mind.

I'll get to it when... I can concisely formulate the thoughts of the other 5 things I want to respond to.

~ Taly

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

5) Judge, is it a protown thing to place someone to L-1 even if you're not scumreading them? How do you feel about the playerlist's vote pattern?

I don't think anyone reached L-1, but I may have missed it. And generally speaking it's not protown, especially early in the game when someone could lolhammer not realizing it's the hammer (or pretending not to realize it).

However, deeper into the game it could be a protown thing depending on the circumstaces and info available at the time.

I feel that your slot votes whoever votes them (give me a cookie for not using the term OMGUS)
I feel that Ausuka has been voting everywhere. Kinda reminds me of Radiant Cowbells.
I feel a few are being conservative with their votes but I can see why. I mean, I myself could be accused of that and it's because I am not confident in any of my reads and I don't want to accidentally draw out a claim from a PR when it's least needed. (Which brings us back to the 1st point of not putting people @L-1 too early in the game)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'd want to PL Ruby b/c calling ppl wolfy is annoying as fuck to me.

I'm opposed to PLs and especially so in a 9 players game. We only have 2 mislynches and I'm not going to waste one of them on someone I'm not SRing.

[Vartsun]

Also mod, to clear up; I unvoted Brassherald in 243

~

I'm purposely making this a separate post because

IT NEEDS TO BE.

@Doom, about your vote on Vartsun on 148, could you point out which posts/logic you saw as shady on your review? You had been giving them some townpoints previously, so I'm curious as to what changed your mind then

I forget, but if I decide to make a case on Vartsun, I'll find them again and let you know.

FFS, we're less than 48 hours from a deadline, and you're continuing to push someone with low content, furthermore; I'm assuming you

STILL

scumread this slot? For reasons you haven't stated much at all? Please tell me I'm wrong.

The fact that you keep doing this thing where you vote someone, but continue to say things like

"this isn't my favorite lynch"

or

"I'll make a case here... maybe, when I want to"

is completely disingenuous.

And yes, I'm not using your exact words. Because your words and actions are not clear to me.

You say you want to push for discussion, but you're putting

"if"'s

in your statements, and how you're going to go about engaging with people. It's like you're waiting for a reaction or event to happen so you feel more dignified in making a stance.

If you have such an issue with our gameplay, don't fencesit while advocating for another lynch.

I see very little motive to gamesolve when I'm reading your posts.

~ Taly

[Vartsun]

Spoiler: Reply to Doomfeathers

This doesn't feel natural to me, and unless I get an explanation, then I feel like out of the multiple wagons so far; there's likely scum there, or at least,

Voyc

is town.

There was almost no defense here for the wagon.

It was a pressure wagon, at least from what I saw. Problem?

That's not what I gathered from 70 and 75 in terms of a whole wagon.

If you guys were pressure-wagoning her, why were you and

Brass

placing her in your lynchpool?

In case she didn't respond satisfactorily, same as Lycanfire. She got in the lynchpool by not posting. She got back out by posting.

And what constitutes as not responding satisfactorily?

I'm guessing you were baiting them with your vote? Not because of a scumread? In my eyes, putting someone in a lynchpool and just voting someone to gauge their motives and make a wagon are not the same thing.

I'm not saying more information is bad. But it doesn't make sense to have your attention jump constantly.

No, it doesn't. So you pick a few things that stand out to you and focus on them. You don't have to analyze the entire game.

I'm sorry, but who has the luxury to cherry pick who they want to focus on and analyze reasons to wagon?

Not town.

Also, I'd love to see your magical solution of seeing through WIFOM. If there's any WIFOM you've already detected, maybe you should tell me.

I didn't say "see through"; I said "see past". Don't try to analyze WIFOM. Just look elsewhere. That's pretty much what I did with Ausuka vs. you.

So you think the whole point of Ausuka-Vartsun 1v1 was to cause WIFOM and not gamesolve?

And you didn't come to any conclusions? Because you're not saying that you're analyzing interactions here. You're telling me that you're deliberately focusing on something else.

1)

You seem completely satisfied that someone, who I don't understand how you're reading anymore, has no believed impact on the game. You're both apathetic to us being lynched, and not receptive to our statements.

Wot, you have a wagon? I think there's a VC coming up soon; I'll see then.
As far as I'm concerned, whether people listen to you is your problem. It is your job to gain people's respect and convince them your opinions are worth hearing. If your partner spoils that for you, you have my sympathies, but I'm not sure why you expect me to yell at everybody to pay attention to you when I don't even strongly townread you. Am I understanding you correctly?

HOW DOES TOWN THINK LIKE THIS?

Thanks for minimizing

Varsoon's

opinions while dismissing me entirely.

2)

And yes, I'm saying us as in

Varsoon/I

BECAUSE WE'RE A HYDRA

. We function more closely as one person than two. While you're discrediting

Varsoon

with this statement, you're ignoring any weight I've staked in this game. This is blatantly anti-town.

3)

What makes this worse is, this is literally what I've gathered in half of the playerlist's view toward us is. Which does not serve anything but to create dichotomies and unfairly undermine thoughts.

For the record, I read and analyze everything you (Vartsun) write. I may ignore arguments, but I don't ignore players.

Really? I think you got it backwards.

If you didn't ignore players, then why are you still complacent with a PL on

Vartsun

?

I just feel like you're responding to me just to respond, honestly.

Also, if you analyzed everything

TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE WROTE

; then why aren't you looking at us both as individuals

AND

a duo?

Another thing here is, why would you ignore arguments or players in the first place? You're admitting to doing something like this - which should notably be antitown - but I don't think you're towny for pointing it own in yourself.

Misrep? Good grief, I am sick of hearing that word. Anybody up for lynching Vartsun and getting it over with?

This, right here, is why I'm questioning my earlier townread on

doomfeathers

.

I can't tell if this post was to breed apathy or take a lazy route in game solving.

That's my salt at everybody leaving the game instead of policy-lynching your slot (no offense to you personally).

I don't get the purpose of a policy lynch in general, and I don't know how autolynching us without taking an in depth look at our motives and reasons in this game are sensible.

Want to know what happens when/if Varsoon/I gets PL'ed? We're going to flip town. Another townie's dying N1, and literally nobody's going to find much resolution in their reads at 7p left, presumably a 5-2 setting.

Not good for the town.

It would have saved ruining the game for about four different players, I think. And you have yet to convince me you'd flip town.

Look at the playerlist.

Does it look like anyone's leaving now?

Ugh. I don't see any consistency in your thoughts here.

I'm not sure why you think

Mylo's

reads are fabricated?

Because I've done it myself as scum, and this looks just like it.

Quote for analysis of Mylo's reads post:

Ausuka is a solid town read for me, just consistent strong play.

Vartsun is the player with the most posts, which means he gets some points as I've generally found the highest posting players town. But his actions, specifically the actions that caused people to leave the game, haven't necessarily been town. Is aggressiveness usually a town tell for Varsoon?

This read says absolutely nothing. Activity is a very weak reason; it's as though he's chosen who he wants to townread and then needed a reason to townread him.

brass is a town lean, but I dunno if there's a good reason for that. I've played with him before, and this seems like how he'd play as town?

No reasoning whatsoever.

doom I just kinda give a town lean to anyway, he's solid, kinda annoyed at the game state, exactly what I've seen doom!town do.

Meta read. Yeah, whatever.

HS is a town lean, for some good posts and not anything directly weird.

Weak.

Voyc/skitter/Lycan are all meh for me. They just haven't done enough townie things, and some have done a few questionable things.

No information whatsoever.

Sorry for yet again being a lurker. At this point, my town meta is going to be lurking

An apology, and then a statement that he's probably going to lurk some more?

4)

Mylo

... I thought you'd be able to post more, and an explanation of your vote remaining on

brass

but he's a townlean?

That too.

Myloninja throws a few townreads, but refuses to actually say anything, is not pushing or even scumreading anyone, and actually still has his vote on a slot that has replaced out (and, as you pointed out, he is townreading). It's lazy, cheap, and scummy.

Is he more likely scum than the other players I guess you're suspecting?

1)

54, so you voted

Voyc

based on activity?

As stated.

2)

55, I mean,

Lycanfire

did ask me a valid question that I don't think I answered.

What kinds if discussion do you want to have?

I thought it was rhetorical myself.

3)

148, this wasn't a reason for a vote on

me/Varsoon

. You just placed a vote because you couldn't post more that night.

As stated. My reason for the vote was that I needed someone to vote for, and out of my pool, my gut and a quick glance said you were the scummiest.

Why do you have to vote someone? It's valid to talk prior to voting sometimes, you know.

And this is first time I heard directly that this hydra was in your lynchpool. Who else is in there?

Varsoon's

busy right now, but I'm kind of holding out on voting until I speak and get in sync with him.

That makes sense. You don't seem the type to sit on it otherwise.

My solo game and my hydra game are not the same, regardless of alignment.

Of course, I have another head, and I understand that head before I act.

It's kind of the same as my solo game; I think to understand my own thinking, and then I act. I'm just quicker.

Good, I like discussion.

I exist.

264 is a huge-ass associative based off no factual information.

Spoiler: Reply to Skitter30

Hey,

Skitter30

?

I agree with a lot of your perceptions in this game.

But here are some ways you can work with me

(Taly)

:

1)

Ask me questions.

2)

Comment on my reads.

3)

Take the word "toxic" out of your word usage in referencing this slot.

4)

Tell me your reads.

Spoiler: Reply to Nero Cain

I think they do.

you do?

b/c I think there's a huge difference in "I don't like this wagon b/c I disagree with the case" and "this wagon popped up out of nowhere and I don't like it."

All wagons have to start somewhere so...like if you want to argue that there's scum that was sheeping a bad case that's fine but I don't think you made that argument and if you did it got lost in your sea of walls.

Now true, you did say

I don't trust meta reads... almost ever, and I don't feel inclined to follow someone on a meta-read who hasn't really explained it.

in response to my criticism but that's very much in conflict with your original post about not liking the wagon b/c it popped up.

Is this really worth all of your attention? Many votes are once are usually not all town, imo, and I didn't understand the initial wagon there.

I've been pretty vocal on my thoughts revolving around wagons, and my thoughts in general throughout my posts.

If you want to dig into a reason why I didn't put a non-scumread to L-1, then continue.

Spoiler: Reply to Ruby Red

Can you give me your assessment of the interaction between

Ausuka

and this hydra?

Varsoon

and I have been waffling on our reads around her.

Also, you're saying

Lycanfire

can be town for now... But he's been replaced by

Nero Cain

to my understanding.

What are your thoughts on him?

Taly's Readslist D1 - Will Expand More On When I Have Time

Town

Skitter30

- Thinks independently from most players in this game, which strikes me that she's working to solve it.

Nero Cain

- Likely town focusing on a needle within a haystack. I think he's making reads and pushing his thoughts. This is a volatile read, though.

Ruby Red

- I like their mini statements on many posts. I'm understanding their thought process and I feel that this is coming from town using PoE based on interactions in D1.

Voyc

- Lesser confident townread, but she looks more oriented in understanding the game than other players.

Mylo

- Similar to

Voyc

, but I'm comfortable knowing that this slot has put emphasis in acquiring townreads.

???

Ausuka

- Will need to reread

Ausuka

. I haven't really taken notice of her in the last few pages, and it worries me. It's possible we had a TvT interaction; but I'm not sold either way yet. Still didn't like some of their posts and I don't entirely follow their reads.

Scum

Doomfeathers

- Does not strike me as genuine in their pushes on others. I feel like he's putting emphasis on suspecting other people while he continues wagoning another. Very reserved with their read progression.

Dredd

- This is a lighter scumread, but I feel like there's frustration in

Dredd's

posts - but I don't know where it's coming from. I feel like they've made more observations in just stating that other people have "bad play" in his view versus discussion to help form reads. They haven't voted yet, so I don't know their POV and it's close to deadline...

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd

Main Reasoning:

While I scumread

Doomfeathers, Varsoon

is iffy here from what he's told me; both

Varsoon

and I at least have a scumlean on

Judge

, and I believe this is a worthwhile pursuit.

I also think I'm going to explode if I continue line-by-lining

doomfeathers

.

~ Taly

[Vartsun]

287

>

This was being typed before 284 and 285 were posted, but I'm still voting her for clarity and in-sync read purposes.

5) Judge, is it a protown thing to place someone to L-1 even if you're not scumreading them? How do you feel about the playerlist's vote pattern?

I don't think anyone reached L-1, but I may have missed it. And generally speaking it's not protown, especially early in the game when someone could lolhammer not realizing it's the hammer (or pretending not to realize it).

Kindly stop right here. Because I agree with you.

But I'm also confused.

What was the point of 225, then?

However, deeper into the game it could be a protown thing depending on the circumstaces and info available at the time.

I feel that your slot votes whoever votes them (give me a cookie for not using the term OMGUS)

It's a bit hard not to do this when 5 out of 8 other SLOTS vote you in less 10 pages, some more than once.

9

Lycanfire - RVS, replaced out.

16

HS - RVS, replaced out.

25 - Ausuka.
89 - Ausuka.
148 - Doomfeathers.
153 - Brassherald.
206 - Nero Cain/Slot W/ Lycanfire.

The slots who HAVEN'T voted us are:

1, a lurker.
2, the one townreading most people.
3, the one who's making their own independent assessments of the game.

~ Taly

[skitter30]

1) Skitter30, what are your thoughts on doomfeathers?

Not sure.

I don't see any strong reason to townread him, and I don't see any strong reason to scumread him.

I kinda feel like they're looking for wagons.

I kinda like 260 though; it kinda feels like they're eager for someone new to do stuff; I feel like scum would be happy with the apathy. But this is like the towniest post I saw from him imo and it isn't strong enough for me to feel good putting him in my townpile him for it.

In case she didn't respond satisfactorily, same as Lycanfire. She got in the lynchpool by not posting. She got back out by posting.

Is it literally just that she posted? Did you like the *content* of what she posted?

Mylo's a bad wagon, imo.
Flip won't inform anything.

-V

It isn't a particularly high-info flip but I feel like there's a fairly decent chance he flips scum tbh.

If Myloninja flips scum, let's wagon Vartsun.

Yeah I noticed that connection too. Not sure if scum!vartsun goes out of their way to tie themselves to a partner's flip in such a blatant way though.

YEAH IT'S ALMOST LIKE I TOWNREAD MYLO AND I THINK THEY'RE A BAD LYNCH AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF PEOPLE'S RATIONALE FOR VOTING THERE

Cuz he isn't posting here, is active onsite, and the few posts he's made aren't really game-advancing or are kinda gross.

Like he isn't here, and when he is, he isn't doing anything useful.

Aside, I dislike that voyc's vote hasn't changed since *literally* post 10.

I don't think anyone reached L-1, but I may have missed it. And generally speaking it's not protown, especially early in the game when someone could lolhammer not realizing it's the hammer (or pretending not to realize it).

I mean, for someone to be lynched (even on day1), they have to be placed at L-1 at some point.

Like we need to lynch someone today. I don't get why people are being conservative with their votes *at this stage of the day* when we kinda need a lynch to happen.

I'd want to PL Ruby b/c calling ppl wolfy is annoying as fuck to me.

I'm opposed to PLs and especially so in a 9 players game. We only have 2 mislynches and I'm not going to waste one of them on someone I'm not SRing.

I'm pretty sure Nero's post was made in jest.

Taly's posts seperately.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

What was the point of 225, then?

Kindly read my follow up post. I demonstrated that there were others who reached L-2 before and after Voyc. My problem is with treating them differently. "No resistance" could very well be applied to my slot as well as it got to L-2 on page one. Not even everybody had posted by then, so if Voyc's was a no resistance wagon then so was HS' and a couple more.

[skitter30]

Mylo - Similar to Voyc, but I'm comfortable knowing that this slot has put emphasis in acquiring townreads.

But I feel like the townreads are all kinda empty though.

Like they townread your slot cuz you have the most posts even though the content has 'not necessarily been town', while questioning if agression is a towntell for varsoon.

They townlean brass but they 'dunno if there's a good reason for that' while leaving their vote on brass.

Doom they 'just kinda give a townlean to anyway' and cite meta that doom doesn't remember them having

HS is a townlean 'for some good posts and not doing anything weird'.

like any one of these reads are questionable and all of them together is kinda gross.

Question: Why are you townreading them for producing townreads when the townreads are all really meh?

Voyc - Lesser confident townread, but she looks more oriented in understanding the game than other players.

Her slot's kinda underwhelming but isn't actively gross like mylo's is.

4) Tell me your reads.

I would be cool with lynching right now: jjd, mylo, and voyc

Probably not in my lynchpool for today even though I don't particularly townread them (ie if someone made a compelling case I could vote there. Would consider voting as a compromise deadline lynch): nero, doom and ruby red

Somewhere in between the above category and actually townreading: vartsun

Townleaning: ausuka

I don't have very good reads right now.

I don't really have any questions to ask you cuz I mostly get what you're thinking from your posts tbh.

I guess talk to me more about Doom? Mainly what I'm getting from you is that you think that he's being disingenuous and hedging his bets by voting one person but leaving room to vote other people?

Is this scum-indicative for you?

You said varsoon disagress - what does he think about Doom?

I feel like doom's kinda happy to wagon whoever, if that makes sense?

[skitter30]

What was the point of 225, then?

Kindly read my follow up post. I demonstrated that there were others who reached L-2 before and after Voyc. My problem is with treating them differently. "No resistance" could very well be applied to my slot as well as it got to L-2 on page one. Not even everybody had posted by then, so if Voyc's was a no resistance wagon then so was HS' and a couple more.

Instead of focusing on the L-2 voyc-wagon, could you like tell us your reads? Who you want to lynch today? Who you don't want to lynch today?

I feel like you're overly focused on this and that this convo isn't directly relevant to solving the game.

[skitter30]

I don't have very good reads right now.

Like almost everyone is scummy to me at this point and I kinda have to start looking for people who are less scummy than others to take them out of my lynchpool cuz town has to be *somewhere*

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I feel like you're overly focused on this and that this convo isn't directly relevant to solving the game.

I made a point. Vartsun asked about it. I responded. If nobody asked I would not have been discussing it over and over again. Stop bringing it up and I will stop talking about it.

As for reads, it's so funny you should ask me for mine when you yourself say everyone is scummy. I do not want to block anyone's lynch, but I also don't have a confident scum read yet. Mylo's lynch was as good as any to me.

Generally speaking my reads are bad anyway (you can go read any of my previous game. I only have 3-4 finished games anyway). When I try to be a hero it most likely backfires. I want to learn to develop my reads more reliably, so I'm going to wait and see how things go before I have a solid opinion on anyone.

P.S. The last game I played I faked a guilty on someone I was confident being scum, and they flipped town. Go figure. I'm good with game theory, but in application I still suck.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And it really doesn't help when you say something and people tell you you're wrong, and you explain and then they say "that's a lot of words to say YOU'RE WRONG" without showing you how you're being wrong.

[Nero Cain]

I'd want to PL Ruby b/c calling ppl wolfy is annoying as fuck to me.

I'm opposed to PLs and especially so in a 9 players game. We only have 2 mislynches and I'm not going to waste one of them on someone I'm not SRing.

[Voyc]

@Taly/skitter
Yeah, my vote's been on HS/Judge slot since RVS, and while it started out as that, I am scumleaning the slot and my vote on there is serious
That's what I meant with 140
My opinion on the slot hasn't changed, Judge is pretty scummy imo
Like, posts like 284 which is an answer to a question that's supposed to sprout analysis, doesn't actually

go

anywhere, if that makes sense

@Judge, it's fine if you don't have completely confident reads, but I really don't think it's a good idea to be holding off from sharing the impressions you have on people
So, regardless of whether you're confident and regardless of accuracy, what's roughly where you're at rn?
Is any lynch really ok with you? Are there not players that you really wouldn't want to lynch?

I don't want to lynch Vartsun or skitter or Ausuka
Ruby and Nero I don't really have a read on
I was hesistant about brass in the posts before he replaced out, but I'm not feeling bad about Ruby, so I'll see
I'd be ok with a lynch on Mylo bc, while not really a scumread, people are willing to vote him (we're near deadline) and it doesn't seem like he will add anything to the game
I've been looking at doom, but I'm unsure whether I'd lynch him, Ruby put it pretty well actually!

doomfeathers looked surface towny but gives me gut pings.

And I would be ok with lynching Judge

[Voyc]

Ah deadline is
A bit closer than I thought it was

@Mod could we get prods on Mylo and Ausuka?

:0

Yes, thanks for the note

[Ausuka]

No don't prod me pls. I just wanted to make a big post and I didn't really have time for that.