Open 722: Red Flag [Endgame]

[Archwing]

@teacher, if you're here i'd like to talk to you. otherwise i'm gonna keep reading from where i'm at.

[Killthestory]

information lynches are fucking stupid lmao. please never mention that again. your job is to hit scum, not get infirmation from an obvtown mislynch.

[Archwing]

btw who is northsidestory? they keep saying "if you know me" with an april 2018 join date.

[Archwing]

fumuki nss and creature + actiondan are locktown

creature is the only locktown out of the 4 here. sorry m8

[Fumuki]

Unexpectedly I woke up and still didn't lose internet conection (I'm going to meme if someone think that it's "suspicious"). Let's scream around here a little more...

Hm...let's see what you guys posted...

[teacher]

@Kill: in case you haven’t noticed, I play with explanations not insults. So you say I’m level 0? Ok. Give me the level one course.

Explain why 891 isnt fatal? Why CFJ’s attempt to start a second Brie wagon, and need to be persuaded off it even to you, sn’t very anti-meta if bussing? For the love of god reason with me. Or don’t, because you can’t, and are the scum I suspect.

[teacher]

@teacher, if you're here i'd like to talk to you. otherwise i'm gonna keep reading from where i'm at.

Arch I’m on mobile in subway. Desktop in any 30

[Fumuki]

684 Fumiki,

CFJ is arguably one of the better players on this list

, IMO. I think CFJ is very aware of strategies, he's apart of the NRG, and

I think both his town/scum play would be elevated of that of a "normal" player

, such as myself.

What i'm getting at, is that you think if he was bussing in this scenario

, that he would've waited longer? I think this would be a great time for scum!CFJ to move purely on the WIFOM of it. regardless, i keep reading on.

ARCH, MY BUDDY, TELL ME, ARE YOU READING THE POSTS? ANSWER HONESTLY.

You say that CFJ is one of the best players on the list and his play as town is elevated compared to a normal player? I too think so, that's way that wall full of holes was exactly made only to cast shade, do you think that town!CFJ would have done the mistakes he made?

READ 729.

"is that you think if he was bussing in this cenario"

WTF, HE'S NOT BUSSING, HE'S TRYING OT MISLYNCH, WHERE I SAID HE IS BUSSING WTFFF

Give me a good reason in 5 minutes to not put you and CFJ in the same team trying to missrep things here.

That wall is completely full of bs if you analyze closely and after I pointed it out he SWITCHED THE TOPIC TO ONLY MY THEORY, because he knows that there's no excuse to that.

[Fumuki]

btw who is northsidestory? they keep saying "if you know me" with an april 2018 join date.

CAN I MEME IT?

CAN I?

GIVE ME PERMISSION.

[Archwing]

cool cool. thanks teacher.

kinda midway through the page 20's (24-28ish) you and fumiki had a lot of (seemingly) productive back and forth. asking for cases, whatnot.

can you pinpoint a moment/page/area where you saw scum!fumiki?

also, how would you think about scum!CFJ?

pedit: BEEP BEEP BEPP FUMIKI ATE TRAIN WATCH OUT.

first, i ain't your buddy, pal.

any chance you can summarize 729? ugh w/e give me like 15 mins and i'll read it. I hate bolded caps locked shit. gotta run out, i'll be back and i'll read your case. i promise.

[Fumuki]

any chance you can summarize 729?

ugh w/e give me like 15 mins and i'll read it. I hate bolded caps locked shit. gotta run out, i'll be back and i'll read your case. i promise.

Let me see if I understand something here Arch: You actually didn't read my reply to CFJ grotesque wall but you're soft defending him?

There's no "summary" of #729. How do you reply to that CFJ wall without writing a mini long post yourself...

[Archwing]

I hate bolded caps locked shit.

which i already said how I had a hard time reading your walls when you went super aggressive posting w/e. i'm gonna read it now.

I defend because I know a little bit of CFJ meta. You, i know nothing. I know CFJ is a logical player. I really enjoy his style of play. I can't do it myself, but I like playing with it.

[Archwing]

what is 729 even? you're just shouting shit at teacher cause they wanna lynch thebrie? come on.

[Killthestory]

cj is a good lynch.

[Archwing]

here's where I'm at:

i'm never lynching CFJ or creature or KTS today. plain and simple. I want their reads around tomorrow.

if I'm lynching in the lurker pool, i'd look at CJ probably. (not total lurker, but not that active either)

if i'm lynching in the active players, it's probably between fumiki and thebrie, but this last category is where i need to refine my reads the most.

[Archwing]

and @fumiki,

I'm not wall-post-responding to CFJ's 608, or 806 for that matter. deal with it.

[Fumuki]

what is 729 even? you're just shouting shit at teacher cause they wanna lynch thebrie? come on.

I linked the wrong post, my bad. Correct one is 812 and I didn't was screaming there. You didn't read maybe because of simply not reading the walls Arch.

BE HONEST.

[Fumuki]

and @fumiki,

I'm not wall-post-responding to CFJ's 608, or 806 for that matter. deal with it.

It's okay, I already pointed out in #812 why that thing is the proof that we should lynch CFJ.

[Archwing]

i don't do well with wall posts. i try, but i get disengaged due to bad formatting etc. which is why i enjoy CFJ's wall posts. they're one of few that i can get through.

[Archwing]

just to be crystal clear, Fumuki, thebrie is 100% locktown for you? that's the tldr i get from 812, which cracks the foundation of CFJ's trio-of-scum theory.

[Fumuki]

just to be crystal clear, Fumuki, thebrie is 100% locktown for you? that's the tldr i get from 812, which cracks the foundation of CFJ's trio-of-scum theory.

CFJ "trio-of-scum" theory...? Hm...there's four scums in this setup and I only did put CFJ and CJ together...

TheBrie isn't lock town to me, I'm willing to lynch her latter (the best day would be d3 because catching scum that's not a lynch bait in d3 is almost truly impossible with a 4:5 rate if we don't hit scum in d1 or d2).

[Fumuki]

Therefore, intending to lynch TheBrie in d3 either will:

1. Make mafia kill themselves and it becomes a 3:5 ratio where town gets some control of day time and the probability of hitting scum is high, afterwards progressing to 2:4

2. If she's scum (what I don't really believe), she gets lynched without scum buddies can defend her because EVERYONE BY NOW, said that they're suspect of TheBrie and voted her. If someone backs away in d3 just fricking lynch the guy.

[teacher]

can you pinpoint a moment/page/area where you saw scum!fumiki?

No, I honestly cant. It was always a possibility in my mind that gradually turned into a probability. Please note that for all links after the first bullet below, Fumuki has probably provided an answer that you can find in his iso near the same postnumbers, but I found his defenses to be an incomprehensible wordsalad (or, for the UK amongst us, a dogs breakfast).

• From my start 191, I am suspicious of Fumuki. That's because the playstyle can only be two things: A genuine gamesolver or an active misdirector.

[*]Genuine gamesolvers share their own info for the wisdom of the commons to assess, whereas active misdirectors only throw shade. As I note, through 324, Fumuki is really only doing the latter. (he towns people, including CFJ 3+ times, but is also hopping votes and suspicions).
[*]His interactions with Kill starting at 262 through 427 make him one of my most-active suspects. The cop thing and brie in Kill's list seems purely manufactured. The desire for explanation for Kill's reads is real and repeated. But its still real when Fumuki suddenly hops off the wagon as soon as it hits L-2 (see 440). (Fumuki also did his again last night).
[*]Likewise, 395, 407, and 410 bug me. He wants a case on Brie, but he doesnt want it to come from him. Again, misdirecting.
[*]Thus, I think you misread our interactions in the 600-700 range. At this point Im actively sussing him (see 464), and trying to draw information from him so I shade my read later 562 in the hopes of cooperation and put up 634 as well. I view the effort as successful: In 687 (if not earlier), Fumuki starts pushing a Hiraki wagon, and explains it 729 as (1) Hiraki lurking, (2) Hiraki+KTS=scumteam, and LATER (3) Hiraki offering more associatives 742. I point out that 1 and 3 are contradictory. Fumiki's answer is unpersuasive. 908.

Thats my scum!Fumaki case. But after last night, I am fully persuaded that there is either a (KTS Fumaki) team or an (CFJ CeeJay) team. So I want to flip one of the team that I find scummier. If KTS is scum, scum needs to kill Fumaki in order to avoid auto. If KTS is village, tomorrow's lynch is guaranteed scum.

[teacher]

EBWOP

can you pinpoint a moment/page/area where you saw scum!fumiki?

No, I honestly cant. It was always a possibility in my mind that gradually turned into a probability. Please note that for all links after the first bullet below, Fumuki has probably provided an answer that you can find in his iso near the same postnumbers, but I found his defenses to be an incomprehensible wordsalad (or, for the UK amongst us, a dogs breakfast).

• From my start 191, I am suspicious of Fumuki. That's because the playstyle can only be two things: A genuine gamesolver or an active misdirector.
  
• Genuine gamesolvers share their own info for the wisdom of the commons to assess, whereas active misdirectors only throw shade. As I note, through 324, Fumuki is really only doing the latter. (he towns people, including CFJ 3+ times, but is also hopping votes and suspicions).
  
• His interactions with Kill starting at 262 through 427 make him one of my most-active suspects. The cop thing and brie in Kill's list seems purely manufactured. The desire for explanation for Kill's reads is real and repeated. But its still real when Fumuki suddenly hops off the wagon as soon as it hits L-2 (see 440). (Fumuki also did his again last night).
  
• Likewise, 395, 407, and 410 bug me. He wants a case on Brie, but he doesnt want it to come from him. Again, misdirecting.
  
• Thus, I think you misread our interactions in the 600-700 range. At this point Im actively sussing him (see 464), and trying to draw information from him so I shade my read later 562 in the hopes of cooperation and put up 634 as well. I view the effort as successful: In 687 (if not earlier), Fumuki starts pushing a Hiraki wagon, and explains it 729 as (1) Hiraki lurking, (2) Hiraki+KTS=scumteam, and LATER (3) Hiraki offering more associatives 742. I point out that 1 and 3 are contradictory. Fumiki's answer is unpersuasive. 908.

Thats my scum!Fumaki case. But after last night, I am fully persuaded that there is either a (KTS Fumaki) team or an (CFJ CeeJay) team. So I want to flip one of the team that I find scummier. If KTS is scum, scum needs to kill Fumaki in order to avoid auto. If KTS is village, tomorrow's lynch is guaranteed scum.

[teacher]

here's where I'm at:

i'm never lynching CFJ or creature or KTS today. plain and simple. I want their reads around tomorrow.

if I'm lynching in the lurker pool, i'd look at CJ probably. (not total lurker, but not that active either)

if i'm lynching in the active players, it's probably between fumiki and thebrie, but this last category is where i need to refine my reads the most.

OK. I find this quite interesting.

@Northside (player) and @BBT - please react as well.

My preferred lynches, in order, are Kill, (Fumuki/CJ). Im not voting outside those three - they provide the most info.