Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

Vaxkiller · Post Post #24 (isolation #0) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:02 pm

Ewww

mafsilver?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #37 (isolation #1) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:46 pm

So t bone pretty much has to be town with that role.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #38 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:50 pm

Not seeing this gamma town tell. I get what you guys are saying, but not seeing it.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:59 pm

I think I changed my mind about gamma

Vaxkiller · Post Post #49 (isolation #4) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:16 pm

I mean cola is gross to begin with, but Pepsi is the bottom of the cola barrel.

Crystal Pepsi?

Id rather eat a Necco Wafer

Vaxkiller · Post Post #51 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:19 pm

Penguin. It's been a while since I played with you. Remind me how to read you?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #54 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:37 pm

Not sure I really want friends who like pepsi and necco wafers.

Lay it on my gamma.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #55 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:37 pm

That was so weirdly worded im headed to bed... too many beers.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #75 (isolation #8) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:52 am

Mr Pibb flunked out of Med school, here are all his former classmates.

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Vaxkiller · Post Post #78 (isolation #9) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:45 am

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Vaxkiller · Post Post #206 (isolation #10) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:00 pm

In post 96, Brian Skies wrote:Let's overthrow the market and instill me as the new Votecount Overlord.

VOTE: Vecna

This feels forced.

Also can someone explain why this FOS thingy is scum?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #218 (isolation #11) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:52 pm

In post 211, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 206, Vaxkiller wrote:Also can someone explain why this FOS thingy is scum?
What FOS thingy?

In post 98, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 67, brassherald wrote:
In post 66, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 51, Vaxkiller wrote:Penguin. It's been a while since I played with you. Remind me how to read you?
I will be using a series of word to convey my thoughts and opinions. If you read these words in the order I write them (from left to right, unless I starting writing in Japanese), you should be able to do a reasonable job of reading me.

I may also do a few rainbow reads depending on my mood.
What if I'm illiterate?

Side note, hello everyone, I am here.
Awkward. FoS.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #338 (isolation #12) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:29 pm

Mutante. Your town reads have legit people they are voting for, but your voting for no one? You also have your own scum reads... and voting for no one? I mean wtf?

VOTE: Mutante

I think you guys are ignoring mutante because its too obvious.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #341 (isolation #13) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:36 pm

It's not outrageous. It's nonsensical. I mean why post it? It comes off awkward an weird.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #344 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:40 pm

Yes! But not as direct as you are making it seem. I think he wants to be seen as doing something.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #345 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:42 pm

I have played with him before.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #347 (isolation #16) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:45 pm

In post 346, northsidegal wrote:"mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird"

That's an odd way to put it.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #349 (isolation #17) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:47 pm

I think hes acting weird and he is scum. Not deliberately acting weird to be scum read.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #353 (isolation #18) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:50 pm

Why would you think that I think: he is scum deliberately acting weird?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #354 (isolation #19) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:50 pm

Also didnt read posts BRB dota game in progress

Vaxkiller · Post Post #365 (isolation #20) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:05 pm

In post 356, northsidegal wrote:
In post 353, Vaxkiller wrote:Why would you think that I think: he is scum deliberately acting weird?
I don't believe i ever insinuated this

In post 346, northsidegal wrote:"mutant is scum who's deliberately acting weird"

I mean you wrote it.

Still play dota... have other points.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #372 (isolation #21) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 356, northsidegal wrote:
In post 353, Vaxkiller wrote:Why would you think that I think: he is scum deliberately acting weird?
I don't believe i ever insinuated this but i could see how it might be implicit in my question in 350. so i guess to just say the conclusion that i was going to say after you confirmed your answer, it's that i just feel like it's obvious that he's doing things deliberately. like, i've seen his scumgame before and it's
not
as overtly, in-your-face strange as he's been here.

also, he literally said that he's deliberately acting weird.
In post 297, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 294, northsidegal wrote:Mutant is being deliberately weird I'm pretty sure, not sure why
I feel like it.

Ok dota game over.

Mutante posts something weird, then gets called out on it. And says "He feels like it" You think that is his town reaction to that?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #376 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:34 pm

@tbone

Yes.

Every friggin post.

Like right now, I'm wondering about northside. Because they posted something, I responded to it, and they forogt about what they said... when I quoted it, they called it a misunderstanding..... but no one seems to think anything about it. It seems pretty straight forward to me and I dont understand where the misunderstanding was..... But then sometime I do fuck up... and think... why did I think that.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #385 (isolation #23) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:48 pm

In post 380, T-Bone wrote:Alright Vax, I do disagree. I don't think he's done anything to really indicate his alignment. The only thing I might consider is the post where he reacts to Cheeky for pointing out the non-crumbs...but even then I feel that is a stretch.

For reference, I also think players as a whole, do very few things that betray them as scum.

That last part hit me hard. Like the amount of scum I catch is close to nill. I relish in the reads I got right but never could communicate them correctly, or had right thru dumb luck.

Let me think it over.

As a counter point, we have to lynch SOMEONE. You think it's a better plan to lynch waht then?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #386 (isolation #24) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:49 pm

In post 382, CheekyTeeky wrote:Also Vax must be scum - noone plays dota anymore

Dota 2

If you tell me you are a lol player I'll lol

Vaxkiller · Post Post #438 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:58 am

In post 380, T-Bone wrote:Alright Vax, I do disagree. I don't think he's done anything to really indicate his alignment. The only thing I might consider is the post where he reacts to Cheeky for pointing out the non-crumbs...but even then I feel that is a stretch.

For reference, I also think players as a whole, do very few things that betray them as scum.

In post 392, T-Bone wrote:

As a counter point, we have to lynch SOMEONE. You think it's a better plan to lynch waht then?
Do you want people to discuss their thoughts and reads with you, or do you just want people to sheep you? I'm all for the former, not for the latter.

Like seriously, please don't give me the "we have to lynch someone" bit. What does this accomplish? Do you think I or anyone else doesn't know the score?

As a counter counter point, we don't have to lynch anyone. We can no lynch until the end of time. Or until UT gives up.

I quoted your original post for reference. When I read the line "For reference, I also think players as a whole, do very few things that betray them as scum." I was like: Shit.
And all of my failures came flashing back to me. THen I started 2nd guessing my reads thus far.

I read it as, we are all just randomly voting for people, perhaps we will get lucky.

So I guess I got a little snarky and posted that, when I probably should have said something like: If people don't betray themselves as scum, then who do we vote for?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #439 (isolation #26) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:02 am

To expand on that. I realize scum arent going to come out and Scum claim, but we are looking for something.

Also, as far as where my head is with my mutant (no e!) read, I think he may be a 3rd party or serial killer. This really doesnt look like their town game, and you don't seem to think this is his scum game.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #469 (isolation #27) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:56 pm

I'm titillated at what you have to say.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #502 (isolation #28) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:12 pm

Really?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #530 (isolation #29) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:41 pm

In post 466, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller

In post 468, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 467, northsidegal wrote:
In post 466, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller
explain? i thought his whole thought process with regards to mutant was towny, didn't ping me as seeming like scum pushing for a mislynch.
I'll answer this later. Yep this is town NSG.

Well you said you would explain it later.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #532 (isolation #30) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:42 pm

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Vaxkiller · Post Post #540 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:46 pm

In post 534, T-Bone wrote:If you click on that spoiler and you are not CheekyTeeky, I will lynch you.

I clicked it. I just couldn't stand someone having something secret that I couldn't know.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #570 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:58 am

But the sample role PM's include SK and Survivor. So I don't get where any of these numbers come from.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #572 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:10 am

Vaxkiller · Post Post #680 (isolation #34) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:43 am

Hyung looks town.
@Hyung, why do you have hiplop as potential scum here? 612 Not 100% in agreement on town reads either, but the hiplop stood out to me because i have them at null and I wanted to know what you saw.
Cheeky is a great lynch, or mutant.

Sorta off topic @penguin @mutant Did you guys see the documentary with the robot penguin spy's? I think it's called "Spy in the Huddle"

Vaxkiller · Post Post #685 (isolation #35) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:30 pm

Question: Whats the point of lying on an "official" votecount if the moderator is just going to correct you, and we can just do our own unofficial votecount. Does the moderator not correct your lies?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #689 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:23 pm

In post 686, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 685, Vaxkiller wrote:Question: Whats the point of lying on an "official" votecount if the moderator is just going to correct you, and we can just do our own unofficial votecount. Does the moderator not correct your lies?
How could he be lying?

In post 2, Untrod Tripod wrote:Active Powers:
1. The market has chosen you to do official votecounts.
You are allowed to lie
on these votecounts without moderator consequence. The moderator will do a limited number of official votecounts, including the one that shows a lynch. This will be explained in more detail in the Game Rules.

Note: If you are killed, the remaining players will immediately vote on who will receive your Active Ability #1 and Post Restriction #1.

Post Restrictions
1. You are not allowed to post votes. Instead, you will indicate your vote by changing where it is in official votecounts.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #691 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Like when UT does his vote count, does he do his own count or does he consult Vecna. What is the point of Vecna doing "official" votecounts. What is the point of specifically pointing out that the official vote counter can lie.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #693 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:27 pm

In post 690, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ok well looks like the mod missed my request to be replaced. Can I still choose to stay?

Id prob PM the mod.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #694 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:30 pm

In post 692, xRECKONERx wrote:i just...what're you asking

we have to burn official VCs to catch vecna if he's lying

we only have a limited pool

That's not what I want. I'm just trying to figure out why it was mentioned that they can lie. I see almost no point in it ever unless we get down to the wire I guess..... but then we can just do our own UNOFFICIAL vote counts anyway. I just don't get it. I feel like im missing something.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #700 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:11 pm

Seems towny to me.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #879 (isolation #41) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:22 am

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Vaxkiller · Post Post #908 (isolation #42) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:25 pm

Cheeky, waht do you think of archangel?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #972 (isolation #43) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:53 pm

Scum team: arcangel cheeky brian

Vaxkiller · Post Post #974 (isolation #44) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:54 pm

Like you really dont think cheeky and arc are scummy as fuck?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #975 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:54 pm

You started so towny

Vaxkiller · Post Post #976 (isolation #46) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:55 pm

But now im realizing u were jsut buttering me up

Vaxkiller · Post Post #981 (isolation #47) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:04 pm

Wahtdidnt i answer.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #986 (isolation #48) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:14 pm

In post 982, Brian Skies wrote:Also, for the record, every time I open Cheeky's iso, I still get the same "I don't really want to lynch this, this doesn't really look scummy to me," but everyone keeps saying she's scummy and that's the only reason I doubt myself.

I dont understand how you can feel this way. It doesn't necessarily make you scummy, but is super suspicious. Especially when we flip them.

It's day 1. We should be look at wagons like this: Unless you are town reading them, get on the wagon.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #987 (isolation #49) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:16 pm

@ cheeky. I am ever so slightly familiar with their meta and I do scum read them for it.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #988 (isolation #50) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:17 pm

In post 985, CheekyTeeky wrote:It's pretty lol that you just push out a scumteam when you're clearing not reading the game.

please, like scum give such precise reads

Vaxkiller · Post Post #989 (isolation #51) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:18 pm

We re lyching arc or cheeky today and people who are acting like we are not are kidding themselves.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #998 (isolation #52) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:24 pm

We are starting the arch wagon. I will come back to you end of day if no one believes me about the arc wagon. I feel more strongly about arch than you, but not by much.

Waht do you mean by "town you should want more info"

Sounds like some shade. Why don't you just come at me?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1000 (isolation #53) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:26 pm

If im right here I want a fucking scummy

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1002 (isolation #54) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:27 pm

In post 992, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 989, Vaxkiller wrote:We re lyching arc or cheeky today and people who are acting like we are not are kidding themselves.
no, and bad on you for trying to railroad the lynch

gamma who else would we lynch?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1005 (isolation #55) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:29 pm

No one is trying to rush the day. But i want arguments against arch or cheeky lynches and all I get is "well maybe they are maybe they arent" not "they are town, I want X"

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1008 (isolation #56) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:30 pm

In post 1006, Brian Skies wrote:I'm still townreading Vax.

Ugh. this is why I town read u.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1010 (isolation #57) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:32 pm

In post 975, Vaxkiller wrote:You started so towny

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1011 (isolation #58) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:33 pm

I really dont like you thoughts on chekky and arc. I like your earlier posts.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1015 (isolation #59) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:37 pm

Sometimes I get really passionate. What other reads are we discussing? (tbone)

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1017 (isolation #60) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:46 pm

Brian. I was town reading then scum reading and now im not sure.

You, I have no fucking idea because ive never played with you before. At the moment I'm leaning town and I don't see waht all the fuss is about with people goin after you. Northsidegal seemed town to me and I dont understand the fuss there either. Pine =?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1019 (isolation #61) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:48 pm

In post 1016, T-Bone wrote:Brian and me, for starters. Then there is you, northsidegal, Pine...etc

I love this by the way. It gives you town cred for asking me reads on specific people who are controversial.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1023 (isolation #62) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:52 pm

In post 772, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what the grace period is motherfucking over
VOTE: northsidegal
her scumread on me is absolute dogshit and she hasn't addressed my criticism of it at all ever

Ugh.
I read that And I didnt get any tingles which makes me think your both town. Lemme read it tommororw tho. ALEXA.... ADD GAMMA V NORTHDIEGAL TO ME TODO.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1024 (isolation #63) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:53 pm

In post 1021, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1019, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 1016, T-Bone wrote:Brian and me, for starters. Then there is you, northsidegal, Pine...etc
I love this by the way. It gives you town cred for asking me reads on specific people who are controversial.
the fuck I didn't ge tthat from the post at all

What did you get?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1028 (isolation #64) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:57 pm

Lemme think about all this..... and by that i mean let mek dream about all this. I passin out.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1314 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:00 pm

In post 1242, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: ArchAngel9

lol wut

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1315 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:01 pm

im not caught up but i think t bone is town here.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1319 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:05 pm

Because he feels town to me

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1322 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:06 pm

@cheeky what changed your mind about arc to vote there for a time?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1326 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:08 pm

If you want specifics, I don't have time for that.

Through my interactions with t bone, they appeared to be trying to figure me out and I felt those interactions to be towny.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1331 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:12 pm

BTW Here is my other game with arc angel that just ended where they were lurking....

viewtopic.php?p=10107720#p10107720

That jumps to where I killed them.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1336 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:15 pm

In post 1327, Alisae wrote:I would love specifics

I'm tempted to just be a dick and quote thier whole iso. But you know what I'll give a a quick skim-read.

But arc is our best bet for a scum lynch today. Even better than cheeky.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1346 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:25 pm

In post 1338, Alisae wrote:
In post 1336, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 1327, Alisae wrote:I would love specifics
I'm tempted to just be a dick and quote thier whole iso. But you know what I'll give a a quick skim-read.

But arc is our best bet for a scum lynch today. Even better than cheeky.
You are terrible at mafia

I think those banners may have gone to your head.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1508 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:41 pm

Now you come around?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1514 (isolation #74) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:57 pm

I feel like mutants scum play is usually quiet, semi lurk, and thats why I feel this is different, him trying to change it up.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1521 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:08 pm

I went through a stage of playing scum the way he is acting right now.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1522 (isolation #76) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:08 pm

S maybe im just thinking to one centered (like everyone is like me)

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1560 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:03 am

In post 1485, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 1407, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Mutante
This vote shouldn't count because I'm not mutante.

I'm so glad im not the only one. I have no idea why I think your name is "mutante". It's like the "Berestein Bears" all over again.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1562 (isolation #78) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:36 am

What happens when we run out of counts? Like does the day still end? Do we get one extra to show a lynch?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1573 (isolation #79) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:55 am

In post 1572, xRECKONERx wrote:ok so vecna has a mod PT with UT

cool beans

I feel like Vecna should have told us this info.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1574 (isolation #80) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:55 am

Unless he wasnt supposed to.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1674 (isolation #81) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:41 pm

I wanna see LLD's reactions to the Tbone wagon.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1703 (isolation #82) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:16 am

In post 1695, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1602, CheekyTeeky wrote:Yay Tbone was town. *strokes beard looking at Gemerald*
Yes, yes, how convenient, LLD starts posting mildly relevant content, so "omg TBone is town, Gemerald looks sooo bad for suspecting him ever".
also
UNVOTE:
I don't know where AA9 is at but I don't think I want my vote there rn

I agree with gamma. This looks terrible, and this is what I was looking for. People who had no problem calling Tbone scum but then changed thier tune when a person like LLD comes along.

I'm back to cheeky over arc.
VOTE: Cheeky

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1704 (isolation #83) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:18 am

I like recent reck. Didn't feel one way or the other before, but I like his recent posts.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1705 (isolation #84) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:20 am

Hey pine.

How about you go back to cheeky, unless you think they have changed significantly.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1707 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:25 am

Oh. Well no I dont feel as strong about that.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1708 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:27 am

Arcangel9

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1709 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:30 am

wait waht did I do?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1710 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:30 am

VOTE: Arcangel9

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1713 (isolation #89) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:43 am

1692 1693 and 1701. You just came out and said you will prove yourself. I liek it.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1714 (isolation #90) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:45 am

In post 1712, Pine wrote:
In post 1705, Vaxkiller wrote:Hey pine.

How about you go back to cheeky, unless you think they have changed significantly.
I do feel that way, and have said as much.

Vax making me very uneasy now.

What that you would go back to cheeky?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1725 (isolation #91) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:16 pm

This guys town

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1727 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:25 pm

You think is sounds fake?

"so if someone wants to walk me through things without being all higher than thou it would be super helpful."

Sounds like he is actually clueless.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1959 (isolation #93) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:03 pm

Sorry the day gotta away from me. Going to be busy at work until students graduate, I meant to put some time aside for mafia, but my dota game ran to long. If I dont post at work tomorrow I will be on tomorrow night.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1968 (isolation #94) » Tue May 01, 2018 1:59 am

Hey pine. Why are you scum reading me so hard?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1969 (isolation #95) » Tue May 01, 2018 2:08 am

In post 1903, CheekyTeeky wrote:xRECKONERx
Gammagooey
T-Bone Lady Lambdadelta
Vecna
Vaxkiller
brassherald Alisae
----- Need to sort below
northsidegal
Pine
hiplop
Brian Skies
Gamma Emerald
hyung
------- Would lynch below
PenguinPower
mutantdevle
Firebringer
ArcAngel9

When did I change from scum to town for you, cheeky?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1971 (isolation #96) » Tue May 01, 2018 2:28 am

This isnt really AI for Hiplop tho is it?

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1975 (isolation #97) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:00 am

I'm dont have a read on pine, so no.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1990 (isolation #98) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:40 am

In post 1983, ArcAngel9 wrote:Scum lurking in my wagon. Get a life!

Why are we not lynching Cheeky?

I think this is distancing.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #1991 (isolation #99) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:40 am

I can't wait to flip arc and analyze the resistance to it tonight.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 1:58 am

These arc and checekky interactions is sooo forced!

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 1:58 am

Alisea your resistance to this is unsettling.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 1:59 am

I mean you really got town vibes from those posts?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:00 am

Alisea, do you also agree with hyung about hioplop?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:02 am

Hyungs posting leaves alot to be desired, but he does have those "gem" posts every now and again that look town, yes, but other posts like his hiplop post above makes me go "huh"?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:05 am

Arc has given us nothing in reguards to the game, i understand people may not have time to read or give precise thoughts on the game and everyone plays differntly, but they ahve repeatedly said they will catch up and provide content and thoughts and they have not. Their ONLY thought is to call cheeky scum with as few words as possible. I just cant see how this is going to flip town.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:05 am

^ that post was mostly directed at alisea.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:09 am

@arc. Why cheeky?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:16 am

Why the hell would I want to flip a slot that doesnt post? They will be replaced or modkilled in all likeliness. Mod said this was thier last prod.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:55 am

What about me?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:55 am

Like why pick cheeky out of all of them?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:56 am

(them being the people on your wagon, advocating your lynch)

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 4:08 am

Pine. Why do you think im scum?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 4:10 am

So, no serious follow up reply?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 4:12 am

rofl, ok, and you have waiting this long?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 4:13 am

So seriously, why do you think im scum? Give me something.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 4:17 am

In post 2035, Vaxkiller wrote:rofl, ok, and you have waiting this long?

This was a refute! You really thought I believed you? If I did and I was scum wouldn't I call you scum back?

Do you actually have reasons to vote me, or are you trying to build a case now?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 4:21 am

If you guys don't want to have a serious conversation you can go fuck off. I don't understand why your trying to shade me and derail the arc wagon.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:40 pm

In post 2105, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have so many other things I'd like to call you or say to you right now and they'd all be true, but more than anything, I want you to know that you're the fucking problem this game.

No one else, you don't get to tell other people they're the reason why we all hate this game.

It's you. You're the fucking problem.

Because you take people who are invested, who are trying, who are fucking fighting and give a shit.

And you say shit like that.

You know I have a fucking anger issue and I express myself vehemently in mafia. You also know and don't fucking pretend you fucking don't because I know you do, that I really hate how much I fucking have to care and how much I put in and get angry about.

and you're still gonna say shit like "have fun being mad". Like of course it isn't fun to feel mad, but you don't give a shit.

So fine, you wanna demoralize me? Whatever, you get your wish. I don't care anymore. I just want to fucking give up and cry.

I like how YOU get to yell at people all you want and jsut blame it on your anger issues, but when people give you shit back, you take offense.

Oh wait. I don't like that.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:41 pm

Hyung votes are bad, they are just a compromise vote.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:42 pm

Hyung is mostly pretty trolly, but some of his posts actually have some thought.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:44 pm

In post 2169, Firebringer wrote:Screw it:
VOTE: Vaxkiller

I can get on board with this read of urs LLD.

Do you even know why Pine and LLD are voting me? They just laugh when I ask. All I've seen from Pine for days is "Lets lynch Vaxkiller" for fucking days. You say something enough and people will believe it.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:56 pm

10 Pine posts saying lynch Vaxkiller with no explanation.

Spoiler:

In post 2090, Pine wrote:
In post 2089, Alisae wrote:Actually now I feel like this is wolfpine
Eh fuck it fuck me
This is 100% not scum!Pine

So much easier to just stay the course on Vax.

Taking a chance here that this jump-starts this frozen game.

In post 2076, Pine wrote:
In post 1530, Pine wrote:
In post 1529, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: AA9
Unproductive.

In post 1632, Pine wrote:
In post 1626, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:what the fuck is this ISO

In post 1627, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:why hasn't this player been replaced
Okay, this got me to actually read the AA9 ISO.

The AA9 wagon is a really super obviously transparent scum-driven counterwagon. Not sure if against Reck or Mutant, but this makes me want to take a REALLY hard look at the people on the AA9 wagon and how it developed.
My first posts mentioning AA9.

Not sure what game you're reading, LLD.

Right now, I'm not a huge fan of either of you.

You're both on vanity wagons, and your vote could do a lot more good on actual scum with actual support for a lynch.

Like Vax.

In post 2064, Pine wrote:LLD, stop

Hyung is a bit of a troll, and I'd be happy to PL them with you. They'd be a really solid policy vig, too.

But there is absolutely no chance of rounding up a lynch there with two days left.

Vote Vax with me.

In post 2029, Pine wrote:AA9 is not the lynch today, though if she keeps up this shit I'll drop my resistance to it D2 on policy grounds.

Cheeky is definitely not the lynch today.

Lots of people vote-parking in those two wagons.

Vote Vax

In post 1960, Pine wrote:
In post 1952, northsidegal wrote:I'd like people's thoughts on scum!brian.

Pine? Firebringer?
I've given my read. I've played on the same scumteam as Brian a couple of times, this doesn't feel like it.

Fire, sheep me onto Vax or no Fire Stone treats for you.

In post 1923, Pine wrote:
In post 1922, Alisae wrote:I reques an off-
oh wait
VOTE: Vax
This is a good post.

In post 1919, Pine wrote:Ali

Lynch Vax with me.

In post 1792, Pine wrote:Money where my mouth is.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

In post 1791, Pine wrote:
In post 1768, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 439, Vaxkiller wrote:To expand on that. I realize scum arent going to come out and Scum claim, but we are looking for something.

Also, as far as where my head is with my mutant (no e!) read, I think he may be a 3rd party or serial killer. This really doesnt look like their town game, and you don't seem to think this is his scum game
.
I'd like to draw everyone's attention to this post. I would lynch Vax at literally any time. This post is awful.
I would vote Vax in a hot minute.

Anyone else down? He might be the deadlock-breaker we need.

In post 1712, Pine wrote:
In post 1705, Vaxkiller wrote:Hey pine.

How about you go back to cheeky, unless you think they have changed significantly.
I do feel that way, and have said as much.

Vax making me very uneasy now.

THis is all I can find for a case on me. Is this really your case Pine?

In post 591, Pine wrote:
In post 587, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 571, Pine wrote:^This is scum

SK-hunting is a classic scumslip

In post 572, Vaxkiller wrote:lol
Pine can be town. Don't know about Vax yet.
Heh. Dat reversal and distance. Scum.

In post 1666, Pine wrote:@Fire: Ur face is Growlithe.

Okay, so I just tracked down all the votes on AA9. With the sole exception of Vaxkiller, who's been parked on AA9 for about ten days, every single vote has been moved onto her in the last 36 or so hours. A wagon like that is scum-pushed.

ArcAngel9 - 8 (Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald, northsidegal, Alisae, xRECKONERx, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Brian Skies)

Fortunately, all of those are in chronological order.

So who's the scum there? Vax might be, but he's not in this VCA for now. GEmerald and NSG are the starter and first follower, and Alisae backed off when e saw how the wagon was developing suspiciously. Ditto Brian. Reck looks like the scum here, or perhaps Vecna, or both. They're in the positions that take it from a simple flashwagon into a crescendo, pulling in VI Cheeky and votehopper Brian.

VOTE: Reck

This is who we're lynching.

In post 1712, Pine wrote:
In post 1705, Vaxkiller wrote:Hey pine.

How about you go back to cheeky, unless you think they have changed significantly.
I do feel that way, and have said as much.

Vax making me very uneasy now.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 2:59 pm

In post 2188, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2183, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2169, Firebringer wrote:Screw it:
VOTE: Vaxkiller

I can get on board with this read of urs LLD.
Do you even know why Pine and LLD are voting me? They just laugh when I ask. All I've seen from Pine for days is "Lets lynch Vaxkiller" for fucking days. You say something enough and people will believe it.
I have made post after post in my catch up pointing to posts you have made to illustrate why I think you are scummy.

Also I'm not even
voting for you currently
.

This attempt at discrediting my points by putting both Pine and I in the same sentence and then just saying "all I've seen from Pine" and ignoring my statements is noted and heard.

I'll give you that. You have provided your thoughts.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 3:00 pm

You think so?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 3:04 pm

I'm assuming reck knows LLD tho, and would know LLD would be more suspicious of someone making that comment.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 3:15 pm

In post 2212, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:but no seriously, FOOD NOW.

dota first

Vaxkiller · Wed May 02, 2018 3:19 pm

I am playing dota!

Vaxkiller · Thu May 03, 2018 4:20 am

Ive been thinking about you alot pine. Why do you want Hyungs blood? So its no longer a policy lynch? What changed since this:

In post 2064, Pine wrote:LLD, stop

Hyung is a bit of a troll, and I'd be happy to PL them with you. They'd be a really solid policy vig, too.

But there is absolutely no chance of rounding up a lynch there with two days left.

Vote Vax with me.

Vaxkiller · Thu May 03, 2018 4:24 am

In post 1666, Pine wrote:@Fire: Ur face is Growlithe.

Okay, so I just tracked down all the votes on AA9. With the sole exception of Vaxkiller, who's been parked on AA9 for about ten days, every single vote has been moved onto her in the last 36 or so hours. A wagon like that is scum-pushed.

ArcAngel9 - 8 (Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald, northsidegal, Alisae, xRECKONERx, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Brian Skies)

Fortunately, all of those are in chronological order.

So who's the scum there? Vax might be, but he's not in this VCA for now. GEmerald and NSG are the starter and first follower, and Alisae backed off when e saw how the wagon was developing suspiciously. Ditto Brian. Reck looks like the scum here, or perhaps Vecna, or both. They're in the positions that take it from a simple flashwagon into a crescendo, pulling in VI Cheeky and votehopper Brian.

VOTE: Reck

This is who we're lynching.

In post 1712, Pine wrote:
In post 1705, Vaxkiller wrote:Hey pine.

How about you go back to cheeky, unless you think they have changed significantly.
I do feel that way, and have said as much.

Vax making me very uneasy now.

Hyung

Pine is scum for a few reasons

First, their

Cheeky

Vaxkiller stance. They were one of the people who stayed on

Cheeky

Vaxkiller basically the whole time, up until basically the most recent events. Their original opening post on

Cheeky

Vaxkiller showed some measure of attempting to sort the slot, but when examining that attempt it doesn't parse as actually attempting to find scum, but rather feels more like

Hyung

Pine is looking for an easy mislynch and

Cheeky

Vaxkiller fit the bill.

This is backed up by evidence of how

hyung

Pine treats the

Cheeky wagon

Vaxkiller and the game for the rest of the time. Random status quo maintaining posts meant to avoid prods and check in and keep

Cheeky alive

shading Vaxkiller as the defacto mislynch, without any

attempts to sort other players.

explanation of reads.

The only real counter example is when Hyung calls {Mutant, Pine, Hiplop} all scum, but says he "has no proof to back it up".

It's the kind of line that if the player was performing with more investment might be somethign with actual weight behind it that someone could hold them to, but given that

Hyung

Pine was mostly a

non-presence

presence who shades. I don't think it mitigates the issues at all, rather I think it just is an example of throwing somehting at a wall and seeing what sticks. Testing the waters, if you will.

Then, we have Hyung's use of the votecount mechanic. It is easy to dismiss this as simply anti-town and misguided in an attempt to end the day early out of apathy, but the fact you need to consider is this player was actively contributing to this apathy by not posting and not interacting and yet they decide to do this? It doesn't feel "Trolly" and I reject assertions that it is "dumb, not scum". I think it is the kind of move scum makes in hyungs position and hopes that everyone is too demoralized and no one thinks scum would do something so ballsy. It actively hurt us and it IS scummy.

Finally, we have

Hyung's

Pines interactions with me. His initial post was exactly the kind of post we talked about in part one. It accomplishes 3 goals:

1)

it dodges the prod timer, so the player doesn't look excessively inactive like the other inactives in the game

looks like activity with nothing of real substance
2) it keeps the game in apathy because it tacitly approves people calling the game "Shit" and just giving up
3) it looks like it provides some manner of opinion or content when really it does nothing of the sort.

So I call this player on it, and vote them. The reasons for my vote are the above, but also,

the manner in which Hyung attempted to defend themselves against my vote, pressure and accusations were very much resembling scrambling scum. What's more, when pushed into the corner and without any way to dodge or lurk, since I just shined a giant fucking spotlight in his face, Hyung did what I would expect scum to do there. Vote me back, make a scene and hope people write it off as two players having a bad interactions, and either ignore us both or damn us both.

Maybe in the future?

Then he'd just go back to

lurking

shading while everyone else around him tries to find a compromise lynch.

The fact of the matter is that I think

Hyungs

Pines reads are bad and scummy, his behaviour is bad and scummy and his

reactions

shading and tone are bad and scummy.

I'm very confident this person flips scum. This is my case on them,

Reck.

Everyone.

VOTE: Pine

To top it off they are now pulling the same shit with hyung

Vaxkiller · Thu May 03, 2018 8:45 am

I figured as such. No one gives 2 fucks when someones iso is only filled shade with no explanations even when ask profusely, then flip flops a "policy lynch" into wanting thier blood for no reason.

Vaxkiller · Thu May 03, 2018 8:54 am

In post 2241, ArcAngel9 wrote:Vax - what is your agenda on pushing Pine? Do you really think that is going to happen?

i dont see any town motivation around it.

My "AGENDA" is that Pine's iso is shit, pushes people for no reason, and only shades people. His mantra is "X IS SCUM, COME VOTE THEM"
Do I think it will happen? There is ALWAYS a part of me that believes people will rally behind me when I point something out, and every fucking time I'm left disappointed.

How can you not see town motivation behind my vote for the specific reasons I have put forth? This sentence REALLY bothers me and I need to think about it more.

Like if you think I'm scum why arent you tearing my argument apart, no you just say you don't see the town motivation, I don't think this is something town would say. I need to think this through some more.

Vaxkiller · Thu May 03, 2018 2:09 pm

In post 2287, Pine wrote:Also still interested in Mutant, maybe Reck and Vecna

Be honest with yourself. There is not a lynch you cant get behind.

Vaxkiller · Thu May 03, 2018 2:21 pm

In post 2285, CheekyTeeky wrote:So you're calling the scum team hyung, Vax and bb?

Hes calling it in anyway taht will somehow explain his scum reads. And by scum reads I mean scum!pine's reads.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 04, 2018 1:14 am

Arc is actually trying, albeit terrible awful reads, not sure how I feel there anymore. (How do you scum read gamma? I can't even....Like would town!arc scum read someone widely read as town?)

I can do vecna as a compromise.

VOTE: Vecna

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 2:48 pm

In post 2376, Alisae wrote:In post 1982, Vecna wrote:
vaxkiller is like the all town wagon. hop on hop on
Vax is probably town.

Yeah, did you happen to see who th leading wagon was at the time too?

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 2:49 pm

Consider my vote on NSG, jsut want to keep the convo going

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 2:54 pm

In post 2391, mutantdevle wrote:@Pine can you not ever ever role block me please <3

I actually like this

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 2:59 pm

Still got a few pages to go, but why is no one mentioning the fact that we have a serial killer in this game and 0 kills.

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 3:06 pm

In post 2449, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2445, Alisae wrote:
In post 2443, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2429, Alisae wrote:Why aren’t I’m a fruit vendor Brass literally sent in Little Caesars as his pick wtf.

This is concerning me. Are you saying that you're actually a VT?
no I’m a CopDocingNeighbourizer that can also shoot people

LIAR!

And we lynch all liars.

VOTE: Alisae

Can we lynch this tomorrow?

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 3:09 pm

In post 2452, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2450, Alisae wrote:And even then NSG I’m like, not that confident in my reads.
Like the thing I’m the most confident in is that {Gammagooey, LLD, Pine, Firebringer, Cheeky} all contain town with Vax as maybe town thats like it.
And how confident are you that a roleblocker is the only way a kill could have been prevented?

But if it were prevented any other way town would say so, like BP or heal or something... or at least there would be some opposition with people not wanting to claim maybe.

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 3:20 pm

In post 2493, Brian Skies wrote:I'm a 1-Shot Bulletproof. I don't mind claiming right now because if I stopped the kill, then it's probably gone now. If Not, then w/e. It's main utility was to keep me alive anyway.

I don't really think scum shot me (although I don't think they couldn't have either). I just don't like people hardpushing the idea NSG has to be scum here, especially if they're reading her as town.

It's weird and I don't like it.

I'm also waffling on NSG being scum, and there are people I'd rather lynch before her.

Like Mutant and Titus. Maybe Penguin who avoided the game all day but still found time to join both the AA9 wagon and the Vecna wagon at EOD.

AA9's hardpush here doesn't give me the greatest vibes either.

I like LLD and maybe Ali for giving her some space.

In post 2494, Firebringer wrote:I think scum could have shot you

Same. I want to look at their reads. I was town reading brian more than I was town reading NSG

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 3:22 pm

In post 2496, ArcAngel9 wrote:But its a possibility that Scum would have shot you? This is scum gamble to save your buddy?

I mean I thought the same thing, but as more of a nightmare where Im bamboozled by brian. Are you for real?

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 3:31 pm

In post 2538, xRECKONERx wrote:Maybe that's not standard.

But I still find the claim to be a potential scum fakeclaim.

After all: easy excuse as to why Brian doesn't die at night (scum are scared of the BP) and lets scum make it impossible to verify Pine's roleblock is actually what stopped the kill.

Really??? I havent been here long and I have been informed and not informed.

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 3:49 pm

In post 2571, Alisae wrote:I tr NSG and Brian dear God help me

and scum read pine yesterday... help me Jebus.

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 3:57 pm

In post 2604, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2602, Vaxkiller wrote:Consider my vote on NSG, jsut want to keep the convo going
Why?

Catching up, obviously not sure now.

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 4:00 pm

In post 2624, northsidegal wrote:We don't, the role PMs were just sample.
In post 1, Untrod Tripod wrote:Sample Role PMs (Only Town and Mafia are guaranteed to be in the game):

OHHHHHHHHHH!

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 2673, pirate mollie wrote:okay so here we go:

looking through vecna's iso I think pine, alisae, reck, fb, lld, gamma emerald and cheeky.

super weird reactions to vax, hyong and musicdelve. vecna keeps mentioning musicdelve as a lynch option but never delved into why. he did the same with vax but then voted vax at a time when I wld expect to see some distancing. he also says, "hop on the all town wagon choo choo" to imply that he is town and it is almost like he wants to take credit for a scum preflip on vax. that is how it reads to me. wifom yadda yadda but I am still taking note it cos vax wasn't in danger and just seems an odd way to treat a wagon that you know is on town.

he mentions hiplop/titus, gammagooey and penguin peripherally, there is likely scum in 1 of those 3.

with hyong it almost reads like coaching? it cld be coaxing, and I can't figure out which 1 so *shrug* I am just taking note.

this was the eod wagon:

vecna - firebringer, bbmolla, pine, gammagooey, vaxkiller, hyong, titus, penguin, reck

4th, 5th and 7th are where I tend to look for bussing and that is gamma, vax and titus. <---- here there be scumzorz

so my scumpool is vaxkiller, titus, gamma, musicdelve as of rn, but I still have more reading to do.

having said that, lynching ngs is the mechanically correct thing to do today. I wld love to hit scum and I hope we do but I feel weak about them flipping scum. I am reading the flail as town but eh, I am a sucker for aTe.

Caught up.

Dont like this one bit. Who are your town reads and why?

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 4:36 pm

Titus voting Pine reminds me of me so much. Titus will probably be offended to be lowered to such a station as Vaxkiller thinking, but there are so many times where I KNOW i caught scum becuase of info I've found and I am so wrong... luckily everyone ignores me!

Titus I've seen you do fucking awesome in some games , but lately it's been pretty lack-luster. I was scum reading pine too, but for him to be scum here would be pretty outlandish. More than likely he would have had to plan this out with his scum team, to not kill anyone then frame someone.... to what end? If he frames a someone then he will be suspect, on top of that other sources are likely to come forth with claims on the contrary, on top of that he would ahve likely had to plan it in advance which would mean the scum would choose to not kill.... I cant image a scum team doing that. Right now im thinking Pine and NSG are both town and brian was shot.

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 4:38 pm

In post 2685, pirate mollie wrote:grp

Explain it like in 38

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 4:40 pm

Also. HI RECK!

Vaxkiller · Tue May 08, 2018 4:40 pm

And on THAT note im passing out

Vaxkiller · Wed May 09, 2018 4:19 am

In post 2683, Brian Skies wrote:Mollie is scumreading him. Lol.

@brian

I mean, ok, you got me, I DO tend to look at the game with a "Vaxkiller-centric" view where alot of my thoughts tend to revolve around my interactions with people and not others. It's def a problem I need to fix at some point.

@mollie But that's not my only problem with the post. My thoughts are in some blueish color.

In post 2673, pirate mollie wrote:okay so here we go:

looking through vecna's iso I think pine, alisae, reck, fb, lld, gamma emerald and cheeky.

super weird reactions to vax, hyong and musicdelve. vecna keeps mentioning musicdelve as a lynch option but never delved into why. he did the same with vax but then voted vax at a time when I wld expect to see some distancing. he also says, "hop on the all town wagon choo choo" to imply that he is town and it is almost like he wants to take credit for a scum preflip on vax. that is how it reads to me. wifom yadda yadda but I am still taking note it cos vax wasn't in danger and just seems an odd way to treat a wagon that you know is on town.

Could you expand on your reasoning here? Vecna was scum. Hyung was on his way to be lynched. Pine and maybe 1 or 2 others wanted my lynch but taht wasn't getting traction. No matter what hyungs alignment is, why would Vecna push scum!Vax here? It's not WIFOM, it makes NO SENSE

he mentions hiplop/titus, gammagooey and penguin peripherally, there is likely scum in 1 of those 3.

I hate when people say "there is likely 1 scum in this group" It's lazy and feels scummy. Just say you think there are all scum.

with hyong it almost reads like coaching? it cld be coaxing, and I can't figure out which 1 so *shrug* I am just taking note.

Hyung is coaching/coaxing who?

this was the eod wagon:

vecna - firebringer, bbmolla, pine, gammagooey, vaxkiller, hyong, titus, penguin, reck

4th, 5th and 7th are where I tend to look for bussing and that is gamma, vax and titus. <---- here there be scumzorz

So scum are always the 4th 5th and 7th (not 6th people, 6 is a good place to be!)

so my scumpool is vaxkiller, titus, gamma, musicdelve as of rn, but I still have more reading to do.

I can understand mutante, but the rest of these reads are awful.

having said that, lynching ngs is the mechanically correct thing to do today. I wld love to hit scum and I hope we do but I feel weak about them flipping scum. I am reading the flail as town but eh, I am a sucker for aTe.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 09, 2018 5:25 am

In post 2856, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2657, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2538, xRECKONERx wrote:Maybe that's not standard.

But I still find the claim to be a potential scum fakeclaim.

After all: easy excuse as to why Brian doesn't die at night (scum are scared of the BP) and lets scum make it impossible to verify Pine's roleblock is actually what stopped the kill.
Really??? I havent been here long and I have been informed and not informed.
Vax, what are you trying to say here?

I found it odd that reck (someone who has been around for a while) hasn't seen games played both ways, where BP's are informed or not-informed.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 09, 2018 7:25 am

I have no idea waht happend toy our post, so I just copied the text. Would red work better for next time? Is there a color that transcends all themes?

1. I already explained it in the post you quoted, it came at a time that I wld expect scum to do a bit of distancing in the thread.
2. if I thought that they were all scum I wld say that they are all scum but I don't think that which is why i didn't say it. the grping has to do with similar reasons as to why they all have scum equity based on veca's posts since that is what I was analyzing. they each have scum equity within that context but not all of them are scum. its part of process of elimination.
3. it looks like vecna is coaching/coaxing hyung but I don't know what means yet.
4. I never said always lol
5. so you have titus and gamma as town?

how about you tell me about it?
@Mollie
1. So you expect scum to do some distancing at that time. What is special about that time? Is this a fairly typical behavior you see where scum will push another scum while everyone else is lynching town? (I wish I knew your hyung read here, leaving it open leaves things convoluted. I can only assume you think hyung is town here, why would Vecna-scum deflect a Hyung!scum lynch onto Vaxkiller!scum? I think you might be looking at this too narrowly (Looking for Vecna distancing, while ignoring what is going on). If im not explain this properly, I will try again.
2. So they can't be scum together?
3.Was curious to your thoughts on Hyung (see above)
4. You said "where I tend to look" which sounds closer to "typically" I guess and not always, but STILL: Why 4 5 and 7?
5. Gammagooey's approach to the game is very town centered to me, im at a loss how it could look scummy. Titus has a slight town read for using moon logic.

@Alisea, can you tell me why you thought this was a good post?

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 1:18 am

In post 2974, Titus wrote:Too bad they won't bus Pine.

Do you still think pine is a lightning rod? I can prove hes not.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 3:31 am

Reck can confirm that pines not a lightning rod

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 3:37 am

I mean penguin looked town yesterday, but they the haven't participated today, so that isnt ideal.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 4:40 am

NSG. I don't understand any of your reads. Why is pine scum? If its in your iso, ill re-read it. Am I town because of the games you have run that I have been in?

I swear we had a conversation yesterday about mutante devel where I said he is likely scum and you argued my reasoning wasnt sound. THen you leave him a "?" and then leave him off your next list altogether.

I think I'm actually leaning NSG over mutant, but id be happy with a mutant lynch too.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 5:15 am

Ok
VOTE: mutantedevil

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 9:07 am

Pretty sure it's too late to unvote.
It's a good lynch but I was hoping for more time to talk.

Thanks a latte reck.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 9:21 am

Mutant, you say cheeky and i have played with you before, and should know how you are, but then you say that you played differently. What are we supposed to think?

Also, your scum reads are all busy scum reading one another... don't you find that odd?

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 9:25 am

Well yesterday anyway. I think Pines town now.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 9:34 am

In post 3037, Titus wrote:
In post 3036, Vaxkiller wrote:Well yesterday anyway. I think Pines town now.
Fuck my life not again.

Does no one know how redirectors work? Like at all?

Titus. Im listening, but here is waht I think:

Pines is likely a roleblocker. I'm not convinced NSG is scum, because I think brian was a better target here. NSG still doesn't come off well, and I hate that. It should be more clear cut.
There also appears to be a scum re-director out there (because no one has claimed).
Do you think scum have a roleblocker AND redirector? I doubt it.

What do you think?

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 9:35 am

Also reck should have something to say about this.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 11, 2018 2:29 pm

In post 3050, Titus wrote:
In post 3047, Brian Skies wrote:Reck, didn't you receive something last night? Wouldn't that confirm that Pine wasn't a LR?
How did you become aware Reck received something?

I'm presuming that's true as the entire scumteam covering for a l rod is insane.

Im curious about this too.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 16, 2018 2:46 pm

In post 3138, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 3096, northsidegal wrote:I'm pretty sure this is where i'm at? the three rows beneath me are all actually loose townreads, mostly sorted in how strong i feel my reasoning is for each person. i'm certain that i've gone wrong somewhere but that's mainly because i'm not really all that confident in any of them.

{nsg}
{vaxkiller, firebringer, cheekyteeky}
{gammagooey, bbmolla, reck}
{titus, brian skies, arcangel, hyung}
{Alisae, LLD, PenguinPower}
uhm

Yeah people leave me of lists too

Vaxkiller · Wed May 16, 2018 2:53 pm

In post 3139, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 3119, northsidegal wrote:so is thinking that the roleblock is a guilty.
we have confirmed night action results that explain the nightkill

scum would've shot brian last night if they already cleared his bulletproof imo

Waht am I missing here. Confirmed?

Why the fuck would they shoot brian when they could kill pine miss-lynch nsg? My argument is EQUALLY as plausible.

They shot brian. He didnt die. Pine accuses NSG which is a perfect scape goat. NSG is not lynched. Why kill brian and give us info?

Vaxkiller · Wed May 16, 2018 3:00 pm

I dont like recks post about them thinking scum would kill brain and that means nsg is scum. It's really fucking me read up on them.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 16, 2018 4:01 pm

In post 3217, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 3183, Vaxkiller wrote:I dont like recks post about them thinking scum would kill brain and that means nsg is scum. It's really fucking me read up on them.
no, nsg needs to be lynched due to pine's night actions

Again, ELI5, how this is confirmed.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 16, 2018 4:01 pm

In post 3221, xRECKONERx wrote:pending my full claim, sure.

Is there any risk in claiming now?

Vaxkiller · Thu May 17, 2018 2:15 pm

So at DAY 2 START we get these posts:

In post 2356, xRECKONERx wrote:HAHAHAHAHAH

In post 2357, xRECKONERx wrote:get dunked on scumbags

In post 2358, Pine wrote:I roleblocked NSG, and she also won a role which has fantastic utility for scum

VOTE: NSG

Get wrecked, scum.

In post 2360, xRECKONERx wrote:VOTE: NSG

choo choo motherfuckers

btw gammagooey is 100% town after that shit

and i am now a basic fucking bitch that will sell my vote away for a good pair of uggs YASSSS KWEEN

In post 2363, xRECKONERx wrote:good shit go౦ԁ sHit thats ✔ some goodshit rightthere
right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my self i say so thats what im talking about right there right there ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ mMMMMᎷМ
НO0ОଠOOOOOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ Good shit

In post 2364, xRECKONERx wrote:i received an interesting testicular photograph last night

Why did reck just inst-roll with the NSG pile on instead of offering a counter suggestion? According to your role you knew there existed another possibility for everything to play out.

THis makes no sense.

Vaxkiller · Thu May 17, 2018 3:35 pm

In post 3369, Alisae wrote:Mollie I think Reck is obvious town

Do you agree with everything he is saying? Or just think hes town for saying it?

Vaxkiller · Thu May 17, 2018 4:00 pm

Jesus we are in 10 different directions here.

Vaxkiller · Thu May 17, 2018 4:04 pm

In post 3370, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 3369, Alisae wrote:Mollie I think Reck is obvious town
Do you agree with everything he is saying? Or just think hes town for saying it?

Vaxkiller · Sat May 19, 2018 3:29 pm

@Brian
Im worried about reck right now because I was town reading them and now im not sure where im at with them.

Arc hasnt posted much. Hyuag (who I was defending) has dissipated. bbmola has said nothing. Penguin I liked but now has stopped posting. All my reads are in turmoil.

I have some strong town reads but alot of "?"s

I really hate how many lurkers there are.

Penguin/Arc/bbmolla/hyung I could totally see lurking out as scum in this. But taht s a horrible reason to lynch them.

Brian Skies Gammagooey, northside - Def town
pirate mollie, Firebringer, Titus, CheekyTeeky Prob town
BBmolla Penguin hyung Arc - lurkers
xRECKONERx -Dont like his posts
Alisae

Alisea Most of thier posts have just been throwing fuel on the fire. And thier end of day posts to lynch hyuang sucked. It's one of the reasons I'm remember i need to town read hyuang. Also Where the fucka re they?

LLD I didnt put on the list cause they are a ?

I dunno waht to say. Not sure how to read them. I dont get towny vibes like I did before in another game, but alot fo that read was based on her role.

Vaxkiller · Sat May 19, 2018 3:29 pm

Bump cheeky down a notch again

Vaxkiller · Sat May 19, 2018 3:29 pm

Chekky why are you so confident about penguin?

Vaxkiller · Mon May 21, 2018 2:35 pm

I'll be back tomorrow. I can usually do this at work when im not busy but last week was hell, but this week should be better.

ALso summer hours started today and im off Monday's.... so I worked on the boat all day. I just keep telling myself it will pay off.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 23, 2018 9:14 am

Why? Because of the day 2 slump?

I'm lost right now and that's why I'm on the sidelines at the moment, I had a busy weekend and week so far but I still want the activity in this game to pick up, but its not going to do so without my activity picking up.

I know its all shitty excuses but please dont replace out dude, your a strong town read of mine and im really valuing and counting on having you around.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 23, 2018 9:22 am

In post 3461, pirate mollie wrote:vax in the upick music recent game we played was that you wld get really super close to figure things out and we considered you a bit of a threat? after saying that I think you are wrong to put hyung in your town pile.

Near the end of Day 2 everyone turned into a zombie and was pretty much ignoring some key facts. Those facts said that that You or Varsoon were lying and ergo should be scum. (This is the way I remember it anyway) I started with Varsoon and realized with some help that you were more than likely the person lying. Since I had made too many sweeping statements that game that turned out to be WRONG no one cared. Then since no one cared about those thoughts I tried to push espionage... and no one cared about that either.

So I had 2 decent reads, I was surprised to die, because no one was really listening to me anyway!

Vaxkiller · Wed May 23, 2018 9:24 am

In post 3457, Brian Skies wrote:Okay. What's changed for you?

Just saying this doesn't do anything for me and he's already in my lynchpool, but he's not my preferred lynch by any means. If this is a direction you want to go, then you have to give reasons, and they should be good enough to persuade people over the current options we have now.

Their insistence that we have proof that NSG is scum is just weird and it makes me more unsure about them.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 23, 2018 9:30 am

I hate the claim too. Pine was the OBVIOUS target for N2, and reck should have acted differently yesterday about knowing there were other things besides pines roleblock that could have prevented the kill.

Vaxkiller · Wed May 23, 2018 9:31 am

You know waht.

If it looks like a duck....

VOTE: xreckonerx

Vaxkiller · Wed May 23, 2018 9:56 am

There is no reason to lynch nsg

Vaxkiller · Wed May 23, 2018 2:37 pm

Im almost tempted to agree with bbmolla at this point to vote a no lynch. I could vote penguin I guess, but I really dont feel taht strongly about it, and Im really felling stronger about reck

Vaxkiller · Thu May 24, 2018 6:52 am

In post 3569, MariaR wrote:All I see atm are loud voices yelling at Reck for claiming doc.
I like this already

Like what page did you click on?

Vaxkiller · Thu May 24, 2018 7:00 am

So 141?

Vaxkiller · Thu May 24, 2018 7:01 am

In post 3574, MariaR wrote:
In post 3570, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 3569, MariaR wrote:All I see atm are loud voices yelling at Reck for claiming doc.
I like this already
Like what page did you click on?
I went back like 2 pages

So, like, page 141?

Vaxkiller · Thu May 24, 2018 7:45 am

I feel like penguin is going to be our compromise lynch. Im ok with that.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 25, 2018 1:21 am

Welcome ginggie. Did you find out mollie is town.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 25, 2018 6:25 am

Alisea voting reck at this point fucks with my read on them.

Vaxkiller · Fri May 25, 2018 7:08 am

Because up until this point I was thinking their behavior was scummy, even the reasoning for jumping on the wagon seemed forced. But hoping on the reck wagon to bus at this point seems too early, especially with other viable options available.

I could also have my reck read wrong and my alisea read right.

Vaxkiller · Sun May 27, 2018 2:55 pm

I'll be around before the deadline, but the work for the holiday tomorrow is kick my ass. Boats are a hole in the water you throw money and time into. Ugh.

I'll try and catch up tomorrow if not Tuesday morning.

Vaxkiller · Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:56 am

I mean, Titus is town. Unless shes not.

Vaxkiller · Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:58 am

Soooo, did the scum team not submit thier kill or did we block it somehow? Maybe reck was lying about being 2 shot?

Vaxkiller · Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:22 am

I'll push there.
VOTE: MariaR

Vaxkiller · Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:28 am

Ahhemm

Vaxkiller · Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:18 am

In post 3935, BBmolla wrote:Guys I delayed vigged nsg

Horrible shot, but thanks I guess so people stop focusing on that.

Vaxkiller · Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:20 am

Hey reck, why arent you going full throttle against nsg anymore?