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[Titus]

Sorry to see you go, Mulch.

I'm taking that as approval of the plan until you hear a better option, Nos.

Titus, why does the hydra need to die? Their posting has been fine since more than 10 pages ago. They've been one of the better contributors to content. tn is pretty damn town. And how is there not enough content to analyze?

All I see are various heads talking past one another. There's no wagons, no conversations. Most of the recent activity is me whining and I post once a day.

[Stop Getting Banned Again]

You're objectively wrong

[EspeciallyTheLies]

That wasn't what you could inquire more about.

I said I wasn't interested in mind games.

VOTE: punreader

I could see Almost50 as a partner.

Reads are as follows:

Mulch - ? town via Jingle?
Stop Getting Banned Again - I don't understand how this slot became the "obvtown" slot? It's not that clear to me...
PenguinPower - town?
Porkens - TOWN
Jingle - TOWN
Gorkington - TOWN
Titus - ? scum
Nosferatu (replaced KidAmn) - ?
Ginngie - TOWN
Almost50 - scum
schadd_ - ?
Punreader (replaced CheekyTeeky) - scum

Officially

read up through p19, though I did skim through most recent posts this morning.

I'm exhausted, btw, fiance was on call and phone went off at dumb o'clock this morning. I also have boot camp and salon later, and it's month end right now, so probably wont be much efforting today. But I'm here.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

More organized, from strongest town to strongest scum reads:

MOST TOWN

Porkens
Jingle
Ginngie

-maybe town? town via townreads?-

Gork
Mulch
Penguin
SGBA

-nulls-

Nos
schadd_

Almost50
Titus
Punreader

MOST SCUM

[Stop Getting Banned Again]

not gonna bother to read the game

[Stop Getting Banned Again]

Sorry to see you go, Mulch.

I'm taking that as approval of the plan until you hear a better option, Nos.

Titus, why does the hydra need to die? Their posting has been fine since more than 10 pages ago. They've been one of the better contributors to content. tn is pretty damn town. And how is there not enough content to analyze?

All I see are various heads talking past one another. There's no wagons, no conversations. Most of the recent activity is me whining and I post once a day.

you're subjectively wrong

[mhsmith0]

Draynth replaces Mulch effective immediately.

[mhsmith0]

Prodding Gorkington.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.07

Stop Getting Banned Again (1)

Titus ,

PenguinPower (1)

Porkens ,

Porkens (1)

Gorkington ,

Titus (4)

Jingle , Ginngie , Stop Getting Banned Again , Punreader ,

Ginngie (1)

Almost50 ,

Almost50 (1)

schadd_ ,

Punreader (2)

Nosferatu , EspeciallyTheLies ,

Not Voting (2)

PenguinPower , Draynth ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday May 9, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-09 18:00:00)

With 13 alive it takes 7to lynch!

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[Punreader]

The better question is why would a town Titus decide to vote someone for language?

an arguably unreasonable vote for pretty much policy reasons is exactly something I expect from titus. I also don't think Titus requires to policy vote to make a natural entrance to the game.

Are you trying to write a case for Titus being town or pun? Because this is doing the latter.

@Pun- reread 356. That's where I'm pretty sure Titus/ETL isn't scum/scum.

That post is precisely what makes me think the team is so viable in the first place. I don't know what the hell you're reading but those are textbook pun theater interactions. They're not surefire pun from the dialog, but it is something disproportionately likely to come from punbuddies. If you want me to highlight the especially egregious parts, I can.

But there is absolutely nothing there which is an interaction strongly suggesting they're unaligned. Quite the opposite. The soft distance is precisely the stratagem to use. So I strongly feel your Elimination of the team is a mistake.

Yup. Textbook. We're talking about ETL and Titus here. If they were doing intentional scum theater, it wouldn't look anywhere near this obvious. If Titus thought they had legit problems, they would've hashed it out in scumchat as scumbuddies and come up with a way more organic form of interaction. Hence, the awkwardness of the interaction means they're probably not scum together.

I'm sorry, but if that was your only Cardassian to lay on the table, it's not good enough. "Too punny to be pun" is not a valid defense. Not even from skilled pun players. I don't care how good you are. You're not immune to making misplays. Just because you draw an alignment doesn't mean you know how to nail the interaction.

If it looks like a pun, then it is probably just a pun.

Eddie (hydra of Eddie Cane and schadd_) replaces schadd_ effective immediately.

Drop all my non-Titus/ETL/schadd_ punreads, because this is a pun replacement. Cane you guess why?

[Punreader]

That wasn't what you could inquire more about.

I said I wasn't interested in mind games.

And I gave you none. Calling it mind games is downplaying the rather unambiguous nature of the content.

To quote, once more:

This is something you can inquire more about.

If you want me to know who you are, then go ahead and tell me.

That wasn't what you could inquire more about.

This was.

I [...] was not especially fond of her entrance.

It felt like she was telling tall tales

.

Additionally, you could have responded to any of this.

Her entrance lacked real reads, reasoning, and mechanics talk

I... have never expected this from anyone's "entrance".... ? Unless they are a replacement... It's day one of day one...

Titus's entrance was on page 13. That is 13 pages' worth of opportunities for her to have reads, reasoning, and mechanics talk. Even if it were the first page, she'd have the capability to do at least one; she effectively did none. I don't expect her entrance to be prefect, but I expect it to be juicier than what we got.

Solidly competing for ~spot #3/6, we have:

@pun

, can you actually walk through why im your #2 scumread?

I already did.

we'll vig you porkens

counterclaiming vig

vote: stop getting banned

Though tons of fun, this gorram player is the king of scum.

I felt your entrance into the game was lacking something from your town game. What, exactly, I don't know, but

something

.

I am less certain than I was before, but you are certainly not making me feel like you're obvtown yet.

can you also talk about why youre just dropping reasoning for a few of your reads and not even your strongest ones?

I'm explaining all of my reads, you just have to pay attention. The way I explain my reads differs on mobile because on a phone I can't make the quote wall that I use on a desktop.

Even the parts not addressed to you were things which could be commented on.

[Draynth]

Hello party people, reading now.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

To quote, once more:

... and?

If you have specific questions for me, ask them.

Otherwise, it's mind games, plain and simple. Stop re-quoting yourself as though your post was somehow enlightening or worthy of repeating. It's nothing special, and if I thought you were actually saying anything worth responding to, I'd have done so. I think you're scum, and you're hiding behind a nonsense gimmick. Nothing in that post can be taken honestly, it only serves your agenda. You're deliberately making yourself unclear, and not to mention, annoying. I'm not going to sit here and play guessing games with you. What a waste of time. Either vote me or shut up.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

You're not immune to making misplays. Just because you draw an alignment doesn't mean you know how to nail the interaction.

This tells me you already know for a fact that Jingle is town, and probably Titus. Trying to make Jingle question his ability to read two people he's pretty damn close to is just nasty scum tactics.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

It felt like she was telling tall tales.

And this is what you want me to respond to???

What is there to respond to? I haven't lied about a damn thing. I've been nothing but open and transparent in my thought process and ideas the entire time.

You can hang. I see exactly what you're trying to do. If you know me, then you know I'm a threat as town, and you're trying to get rid of me.

Bring it on.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

You're not immune to making misplays. Just because you draw an alignment doesn't mean you know how to nail the interaction.

This tells me you already know for a fact that Jingle is town, and probably Titus. Trying to make Jingle question his ability to read two people he's pretty damn close to is just nasty scum tactics.

ACTUALLY....

THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER...

This tells me you know TWO THINGS:

1) Jingle is town and
2) TITUS IS SCUM WITH YOU

That's why you're so confident Jingle is "making misplays".

Holy shit. What a slip!

[EspeciallyTheLies]

JINGLE. READ THIS DANGIT.

READ IT RIGHT NOW. LOOK WHAT I FOUND.

[Ginngie]

Heyo

so

ETL

do I need full context of a catch up to understand what you're saying or nah

[Jingle]

You're not immune to making misplays. Just because you draw an alignment doesn't mean you know how to nail the interaction.

This tells me you already know for a fact that Jingle is town, and probably Titus. Trying to make Jingle question his ability to read two people he's pretty damn close to is just nasty scum tactics.

ACTUALLY....

THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER...

This tells me you know TWO THINGS:

1) Jingle is town and
2) TITUS IS SCUM WITH YOU

That's why you're so confident Jingle is "making misplays".

Holy shit. What a slip!

Literally the first TownETL post all game. I’ll double check validity tonight when I have more time.

I can definitely grok your schadd_ argument, btw, pun, but cane seems pretty town since the replace.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Heyo

so

ETL

do I need full context of a catch up to understand what you're saying or nah

In post 609, Punreader is talking to Jingle about why the interaction between me/Titus is or isn't scum/scum. Jingle is saying it distinctly isn't and gives his reason. Pun says Jingle is wrong, and tell him he's not "immune to misplays" - this means that Pun is looking at Jingle as town since he's "wrong" as opposed to "lying". There is no discernible trajectory for him to have this as a read, thus he must already know Jingle is town.

The second part is the fact that Jingle is saying it is town/town, or at least town/scum, not scum/scum. Pun says he's wrong, thus Pun knows that it's NOT town/town. He's trying to say that it's scum/scum, but since

I know I'm town

- I understand that you don't, but from my perspective, this is resolved for me - since I know I'm town, it can only be town/town or town/scum. Pun saying it's not, means he knows Titus is scum.

Does that make sense?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

And even if he was reading Jingle as town, he himself said there was a large gap between mulch and Jingle, meaning it's not even that strong of a read. But suddenly he knows Jingle is "making misplays" by reading me/Titus as not scum/scum... ???

Right.

[Punreader]

That's why you're so confident Jingle is "making misplays".

Um.
That's not what I said.
That was generic-you. "You're not immune to misplays". Not "Jingle, you are not immune to misplays". You, as a generic character. The proper pronoun to use in place of the generic you would be "A person is not immune to misplays". That was what I was stating. So in this instance. The "You're not immune to misplays". Has the implication of. "ETL is not immune to misplays; Titus is not immune to misplays". Because both you (specific you), and Titus, fall under the generic You.

If you have specific questions for me, ask them.

None of my points are questions because I don't ask questions. I raise points.

All of these are points.

I [...] was not especially fond of her entrance.

It felt like she was telling tall tales

.

Her entrance lacked real reads, reasoning, and mechanics talk

I... have never expected this from anyone's "entrance".... ? Unless they are a replacement... It's day one of day one...

Titus's entrance was on page 13. That is 13 pages' worth of opportunities for her to have reads, reasoning, and mechanics talk. Even if it were the first page, she'd have the capability to do at least one; she effectively did none. I don't expect her entrance to be prefect, but I expect it to be juicier than what we got.

@pun

, can you actually walk through why im your #2 scumread?

I already did.

we'll vig you porkens

counterclaiming vig

vote: stop getting banned

Though tons of fun, this gorram player is the king of scum.

I felt your entrance into the game was lacking something from your town game. What, exactly, I don't know, but

something

.

I am less certain than I was before, but you are certainly not making me feel like you're obvtown yet.

can you also talk about why youre just dropping reasoning for a few of your reads and not even your strongest ones?

I'm explaining all of my reads, you just have to pay attention. The way I explain my reads differs on mobile because on a phone I can't make the quote wall that I use on a desktop.

Even the parts not addressed to you were things which could be commented on.

Does isolating them make it easier on you?

Because I'm literally changing nothing else. Every one of these was something I told you you could engage with and you continue to refuse.

Though I must confess.

Somewhere along the line there was one lost in the pile which shouldn't have been:

Pun has puns but there is no actual logic behind his reads
Thus, just making statements to state them

However, you are missing at least one big detail. Figure it out, and you'll understand.

You're not immune to making misplays. Just because you draw an alignment doesn't mean you know how to nail the interaction.

This tells me you already know for a fact that Jingle is town.

Why yes, yes I do know he is town. A fact easily checked by reading my posts!

Updated inventory:

Copper forged Friends:

Jingle
PenguinPower
Stop Getting Banned Again

Still loosely ordered strongest punread to strongest copper-forged-friend-read.

I should probably note: just as there is a large gap between Mulch and my other punreads, there is a gulf between Stop Getting Banned Again and all my other copper-forged-friend-reads. I'd also say there's a fair gap between Jingle and Almost50, and there may be a gap between Jingle and PenguinPower.

He is rather strongly a townread. And has been since very early. The only reason he frankly isn't a much stronger townread is out of respect to his pungame; I feel that while unlikely, this level of high-caliber play is possible from him as pun. Just incredibly improbable.

I haven't lied about a damn thing.

I never said you had lied. I said you told tall tales. While that was a pun on your username of EspeciallyThe

Lies

, it was more hyperbolic. A more colloquial term to use would be your entrance felt faked.

[Punreader]

Reference

In English grammar and in particular in casual English, generic you, impersonal you, or indefinite you is the use of the pronoun you to refer to

an unspecified person

, as opposed to its use as the second person pronoun.

When I said "You're not immune to misplays". It was an unspecified person you. Impersonal you. Indefinite you. Generic you. Call it what you want, but the meaning was quite clear. No player is immune to making misplays as pun. Context made it quite clear I was referring specifically to ETL and Titus's interactions.

[Punreader]

(And yes I am rather strict about my language usage. It is a requirement for the gimmick.)

[Punreader]

Apologies. I forgot to address this.

I can definitely grok your schadd_ argument, btw, pun, but cane seems pretty town since the replace.

That's the problem, actually. Eddie's not where you want to be right now, trust me. His content since coming in has been to establish a presence and challenge you for the position of town leader and direct the town away from the direction it needs to head towards.

Given his competency as both alignments, I can confidently say that this is the play he makes as pun. His approach as town is entirely different.