Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE

My 2 cents.

People pushing me are looking Sus for wanting town dead.

Especially those without cases.

Better players should have delved into my history to confirm me as town here. Its not hard. - you would also then see why im such a valuable mislynch.

Momo, Sando and JJ main culprits there.

Still not sure which tracker claim holds most sway. Will RR later.

[jjh927]

Any order in which we lynch Mutant, Alonzo, and NM will win us the game so IDM

[Oxy]

tracker claim

VOTE: Not Mafia

VOTE: Alonzo

Yeah this is better

Btw mutant, you're barking up the wrong tree. I still maintain that nobody's PR hunting is going to be significantly better than random chance, and I'm pretty sure Eddie agrees with me

[Oxy]

This is America
Don't catch you

slippin'

up
Don't catch you

slippin'

up
Look what I'm whippin' up

[Oxy]

@JJ

>You're the tracker
>Mutantdevle claims your role

Walk me through the thought processes that lead you to make these posts.

[mutantdevle]

Btw mutant, you're barking up the wrong tree. I still maintain that nobody's PR hunting is going to be significantly better than random chance, and I'm pretty sure Eddie agrees with me

I'm sorry but I just don't see a way that mafia are this on point with nailing PRs without at least being good at PR hunting. Sure, luck is an aspect as without investigatives they could never be 100% sure. But at least one person on their team knows what to look for and clearly the rest of the team have enough confidence in them to listen to them and go through with it.

Also, ofc Eddie would agree, he's part of my main suspect for it. From my point of view, that's exactly what he'd be saying to invalidate this 'tell'.

[mutantdevle]

@mutant why do you think the scumteam would jail you?

I mean, evidently, they interpreted my behaviour as PR!me. I feel like they did the same to you since I don't really see them picking up your crumb unless they are hardcore fans of the song (wouldn't surprise me though because it is a good song). Furthermore, it literally can't have been your crumb since they jailed you before you made it. The scum has at least 1 person that can spot PT tells from general thread interactions.

I think they definitely picked up on the worst's soft though and hence killed him first as they were the most confident in him.

[mutantdevle]

Hey @mutant another thing, what do you think about jjh and momomen being on your wagon? 'Cause they know that Not_Mafia would lolhammer you and scum would want that situation since they knew you were the tracker, right?

MOMO I'm definitely scum reading and they've been scum reading me all game so I'm not surprised by their vote at all. I like JJH though. They seem quite friendly with MOMO but, as I understand it, they know each other quite well? So it's only natural that they'd sheep em a bit. Townies can be wrong too.

[mutantdevle]

I think Sando is also Sus.

I don't think I'm ever going to understand why anyone could scum read Sando this game. Mind explaining this a bit? I'll probably think you're wrong anyway but I'd still like you to justify it.

[mutantdevle]

Sure. Hider picks three people that they could potentially hide behind that are all TRs. This clears people from being Mafia and keeps our Hider alive.

I swear this always gets suggested to hiders and its always a bad idea that doesn't achieve much. The whole point of announcing a target is so that we know if the hider dies then the person they announced is scum. If you say 3 people, that just brings confusion. Your lynch pool is now between 3 people and for all we know we could be heading for 2 mislynches before we get anywhere. Also, if we do get scum from that pool, how do we know it was the specific person the hider hid behind? There could be more scum in that pool. If someone in that pool was someone we all thought was scum anyway, we lynch them because it's safest and they are scum, then if the hider didn't hide behind them then it would be such a waste since we probably would have caught that person anyway and the hider died needlessly.

Pintu should either specifically claim who he hides behind OR say nothing about it at all. Personally, I think that choice is up to him.

[mutantdevle]

Eh, it's a solved game anyway, and I can make it more solved for everyone else. I'm the real tracker.

VOTE: mutant

Random checked quick n1 who did nothing, and I checked pintu last night. Seriously thought I had a guilty because he didn't crumb targets but I'm glad I waited for the hider claim thing to resolve

Well I'm no longer liking JJH as town

Why did you decide to check Pintu?

[mutantdevle]

Also, it's quite a coincidence that that Random happened to track the same person I did is it not

[mutantdevle]

I mean, it might be a good call if you want me to get a track off, but we're gonna have to lynch mutant eventually

I'm sure you'd prefer the eventually to the immediately.

[mutantdevle]

I'm maybe 50/50 between mutant and Alonzo for the jailkeeper fwiw

I think this is a comment that is too sure to come from Town.

Are you suggesting a JJH & Alonzo scum team?

[mutantdevle]

I wouldn't hide behind quick. 2/3 he's town just on the track N1

Keep in mind this is for if either of us is lying so you can trust it fully.

[mutantdevle]

NM is a mislynch target as town, getting scum to shoot him makes towns job a lot easier.
NM as scum gets found by you hiding, making towns job a whole lot easier.
Only way to stop one of the above happening is to jail you and not the tracker, making towns job a whole lot easier.
Only way to stop one of the above happening and town getting another track result is to jail you and solve our tracker problem, making towns job a whole lot easier.

I've found Sando really agreeable with what he's been saying these last few pages and I really like this plan.

Unfortunately Pintu it's your job to die,

we all wish it was Quick though,

to increase town's chances as much as possible.

[mutantdevle]

Iconeum was the counterwagon for scum!mutant.

This troubles me because my wagon started after Icons...

Pintu why can't you return the favour I gave you earlier in the game of admitting your bias

[mutantdevle]

we now know definitively if NM is the tracker or not.

Damn milktanks stealing our roles!

[jjh927]

@JJ

>You're the tracker
>Mutantdevle claims your role

Walk me through the thought processes that lead you to make these posts.

Well, basically, there was talk of not CCing and there is no point in not CCing if you're blatantly obviously the tracker to scum.

[Oxy]

was there talk of this prior to his claim that I am missing?

[jjh927]

Yeah Sando said that if he claimed tracker, tracker should not CC

[jjh927]

paraphrased ofc

[jjh927]

Ok only quick doesn't understand, but that's no surprise and probably unable to be rectified in this lifetime so:

Intent to give NM the lolhammer on mutant.

BTW if mutant claims tracker don't CC please real tracker and we simply lynch within alonzo/JJ/Fitz.

[jjh927]

...is that a slip

[jjh927]

Phrasing suggests he knew mutant was not a tracker