Micro 800-B: "Normal" Stock Photos Mafia [Endgame]

[CheekyTeeky]

Egooooo!

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Oh wait I'm playing this one XD

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Vote: CheekyTeeky

Obv scum VOTE: Chamber

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Hi 2nd picks are massclaiming what their first pick choices would be if they were forced to have first pick.
If me and Plot were forced to have first pick Plot would be in the open and I would be here.

Not sure what the utility of this is but we got exactly what we wanted.

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Alisae is also wolfy.

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Oh wait I'm playing this one XD

Are you joking here? How did you confuse the games?

Alisae is also wolfy.

Why is that?

Yes I'm joking Ranmaru lol. Gut atm.

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I don't feel what you are feeling on Alisae at the moment. Can you quote which post feels off to you?

All of them. Jeepers you're awkward lol but I don't know why scum would discourage scum reads on players unless they're trying to pocket which you'd also be doing a bad job of.

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All of them.

Jeepers you're awkward lol but I don't know why scum would discourage scum reads on players unless they're trying to pocket which you'd also be doing a bad job of

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What is the purpose of you saying this? What is your actual conclusion from this?

Oh I finally get why that annoys people.

My conclusion is that you're awkward but it seems NAI?

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I also wanted to know why Cheeky would say the 'Oh wait I'm playing this one' if we are observant of the ego posts.

How did my answer help you read my alignment?

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Oh I finally get why that annoys people.

My conclusion is that you're awkward but it seems NAI?

Thank you. Do you generally make statements like that (and your #19) regardless of alignment? (Without conclusion)

Yes I make a lot of useless posts depending on who's interpreting them. They would be more useful to tone readers and people familiar with my meta.

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...seriously? Yeah you could have something there but your logic completely ignores the fact that we have 4 scum roles to distribute amongst 18 players...and if truely random then it's possible a team could have randed two scum roles. You also took away any chance of gathering info today to nail a buddy if Alisae does flip town.

I was waiting to see a reaction to the L-1 and was going to ask for an unvote but thought noone would be silly enough to hammer. It's pretty weak reasoning to hammer page 3 based on game choices without considering how her posts are AI at all or even showing intent to scum hunt, with the suggestion of lynching out of 3 people based on who likes scum?

Invest needs to go on the Alisae wagon please.

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Flip scum*

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That's L-1 by my count

VOTE: Alisae.

So this game is easymode

.....eff you mastina.

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I call her bluff. She needs to be mechanically cleared for me not to tunnel the shizz out of her tomorrow.

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Lol ok it's kind of funny.

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VOTE: Ranmaru

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I don't feel what you are feeling on Alisae at the moment. Can you quote which post feels off to you?

Mastina

: Did you catch up before voting Alisae? How did you make that mistake? Go through your thought process as you made that post.

If Alisae flips town, I'd consider two scum within [Mastina, MariaR, Lycanfire]. If Alisae flips scum, I'd consider one of [Mastina, MariaR].

TOWN [ Ranmaru] NULL [Errant > Unah > Chamber > MariaR ] [Cheeky > Mastina] SCUM

Today, we will be lynching Mastina. She is scum, and has effectively traded a D1 mislynch to hurt the effectiveness of town, and she has. Now we have to find her buddy when there is little information to implicate a buddy to her strongly. I want townies to step up and town up as soon as possible so we can salvage the damage done by Mastina. In my mind right now, Cheeky is her most likely scum buddy.

Hmmm. A fair bit of evidence here points to Ranmaru scum. In general here are the reasons I scum read him.

1. He was awkward af on entering D1 and his lines of questionning continue to look forced.
2. The quicklynch going through as easy as it did says to me that scum are likely to have stayed off the wagon. Ranmaru felt disingenuous in pushing me for my alisae gut read saying "I don't see how she's scum" which is alarming given that most other players were pinged by her. The whole stance felt like white knighting.
3. Near EOD more forced questionning around whether mastina was genuine or not in her derphammer.
4. Trying to create associations that make no sense near day end based on close to zero information.
5. Ranmaru jumping to the conclusion that mastina is scum SOD2 prior to other people entering who could have potentially more information.
6. Ranmaru completely abandoning his reads from D1 in favour of a lynch on me with very poor reasoning.

I know that Ranmaru by nature is a tryhard but I don't feel a genuineness to his pushes or lines of questionning at all this game and his depth of thought is lacking in comparison to his town game. I have witnessed how bad his reads are in general and how he tends to tunnel people who are town so I am not 100% confident in this read, more like 70% which is enough for me to go off today.

I'm waiting to see others opinions on the mastina debacle.

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Does anyone in this game really respect lycans town game? The kill seems odd to me. The only reasons I can see for it are out of general respect (his only read seemed wrong as heck) or because he seemed like one of the only voices in opposition of a mastina lynch. Even then, I think that was more fueled by his scum read of alisae, hard to say if it would have stood up.

Who would you link the kill to based on "respect for his town game?"

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because he seemed like one of the only voices in opposition of a mastina lynch.

This seems like the key point. I'm still not sure about how I feel about your slot yet though.

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How am I being dumb?

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I admit to being a bit lost here.
Mastina would've thought that getting Alisae lynched D1 is worth putting herself in the center of suspicion..
Is it ever a worthy trade for her?

Is there a question here or?

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The reward is you town reading her, which is on top of her mislynching Alisae. The reward was cutting discussion to a halt so that players would have little information to find scum, because right now, our D1 is most likely a scum-sided environment. A bunch of nulls, and two scum reads is all I could get from that.

I suppose it's not implausible (NM thinks that it's mastina as well)
What are people's thoughts on this statement--

I'm not going to be the fucking lylo mislynch. So tomorrow, either everyone agrees I'm town or everyone agrees to lynch me.

If mastina is scum do you think she lynched alisae intentionally?

Ew.

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Is chronologically reading the thread even a valid argument for mastina derp-hammering? She argued that she created the picks analysis post prior to entering the game and that she was on page 1 when she posted it. So if the post was pre-made and posted before reading the thread, then what does the order of her catch up method have to do with anything?

In fact the town read of Unah via Pine was phrased in such a way that her acute self-awareness of maintaining ignorance of the current state of the game pinged me. I don't see what town person would feel the need to emphasise their lack of reading when giving a read. It makes more sense coming from a scum self-preservation viewpoint, where I'd imagine that scum mastina wants to make sure we believe she's not reading the game and therefore cannot be held accountable for her opinions or lack thereof.

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I'd like to add that I find it uncharacteristic for a player of mastina's calibre to just post a vote without first skimming the whopping 3 pages.

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I'd imagine that scum mastina wants to make sure we believe she's not reading the game and therefore cannot be held accountable for her opinions or lack thereof.

Just going to point out that mastina answered chamber but ignored my posts immeadiarely above his. Crapological order.

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This is also disproportionately a scum post.

What does daddypine think?

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Ran might be town because of the 1v1 with Chamber. I keep getting pinged by Chamber but I've not seen a scum neighbouriser before so idrk. Una I think is suspect along with EP.

Mastina seems fine I think but there's no way to prevent paranoia there unfortunately. Which means effing lylo tomorrow if she flips town.

Some unvotes would be nice until we get decent content from Una.

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Yeah I think Maria is town.

Mastina can you ask Pine about EP?

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God this is going to be hell.

So Pine says that he thinks Maria's 203 is very town (which means he has stated strong townreads on the two players I most scumread), thinks Cheeky is very town, and that Ranmaru is slimy scum capitalizing on my error (which I understand his reasoning behind but hard disagree on). He does say I should trust my chamber read tho.

Hydra dissonance like this is way more common from scum in my experience, as another knock against mastina.

It's stuff like this that creeps me out.

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Yeah I think Maria is town.

Why's that?

Gut. Don't push back it makes me doubt my read. I just feel like you're not trying to be towny and some of the things you've said seem to lack selfconsciousness.

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God this is going to be hell.

So Pine says that he thinks Maria's 203 is very town (which means he has stated strong townreads on the two players I most scumread), thinks Cheeky is very town, and that Ranmaru is slimy scum capitalizing on my error (which I understand his reasoning behind but hard disagree on). He does say I should trust my chamber read tho.

Hydra dissonance like this is way more common from scum in my experience, as another knock against mastina.

It's stuff like this that creeps me out.

You've made some off hand comments before. (Like your ew at my question to EP). Can you explain why those both bother you? Especially the EW one.

No. Short of time and overgamed. Feel free to use your imagination.

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not rly I've been scum against una every game

Then you should be very familiar with his town game right? Does this look like that so far?

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Oh that makes sense lol

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I'm voting for Maria, because I want to lynch scum today.

They are either both town like I initially thought, or they are both scum..thoughts?

Does not compute.

I feel like you're treating today as if it were D1 and we hadn't mislynched already. You project a confidence in scum reading maria that is contradicted a handful of posts later when you allude to the possibility that Chamber and Ranmaru could possibly be SvS.

If Maria is conf!scum to you then it follows that there is only one more possibility for scum from your PoV so as town the natural thought would be to assume that Chamber and Ranmaru are both town. It reads to me like you're pushing an agenda, to make your cake (maria mislynch) and eat it too (cast shade on others in the process).

Tomorrow is possibly Lylo and your confidence is clearly unfounded and reckless...unless of course you're scum.

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You project a confidence in scum reading maria that is contradicted a handful of posts later when you allude to the possibility that Chamber and Ranmaru could possibly be SvS.

You raise a valid point..!
Except that there's the fact that I already said I think it's more likely they are just both town.
My main point being that I don't think it's ever T/S either way around.
I obviously understand that if Maria flips scum, them being S/S becomes impossible -

what I therefore find interesting is that you can't see my eagerness to lynch Maria with all of this in mind.

I THINK Maria will flip scum, I THINK it will promptly confirm both chamber and Ranmaru as town, and I THINK we are close to locking the game away after that.

I've pointed to why your confidence/eagerness is fake and I have also judged it reckless. A reasonable explanation here would have been that you were trying to elicit a reaction by wagoning Maria and that you are confident for x, y and z reasons. Instead you've failed to give an explicit reason for why you scum read her and instead you just project completely unfounded confidence. I'm not really sure if enthusiasm is a convincing argument to lynch someone when we still have the mastina issue to deal to with potentially only 1 mislynch left. Please help us see why you are so confident and why we should wagon Maria.

I would also like you to explain why you're completely ignoring the mastina issue which you sat on a fence on earlier. You stated that this is not out of her scum range in terms of "boldness" while simultaneously town reading her? How can we not lynch mastina today? What choice do we have and what info do you have that proves her town?

While you're on an explaining spree, could you also say how you came to the conclusion Chamber and Ranmaru are not SvT without falling back on claims?

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Also I put no value in town cohesion or town reads. Scum read everyone to varying amounts.

Who's your biggest SR? Like if you had to lynch and Martina hadn't derphammered, who's scum?

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What was scummy about my posts?

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For one, why did you engage him in as much detail as you did, but gave me an 'ew'?

Gut ping vs bad logic? You give less to read into so the responses are adequate....also how is treating slots differently more likely to come from scum?

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Fear of getting into an argument with someone above your weight. Your one with una feels like you pushing someone around. Convenient.

I actually lol'd at this.

I have no idea who you are so I have no reason to fear you. I'm scum reading Una but giving him a chance to prove me wrong. I'm unsire about you so I'm focussing on my strongest lead at this point.

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Do you need to know who I am? Una is a self professed weak target, even if you thought I was average the difference still exists.

His self professed weakness also pinged me. I felt he presented it that as a means of avoiding taking flack for low contribution. If I was going to death-tunnel Una as scum it's unlikely I would ask him to explain his logic in the way that I have. Also I've played with Una before and know that he can explain himself just fine nor have I seen him claim to be bad as an excuse to not give reasons for his own opinions.

I feel like you're bodering on moon logic - looking for a way to scum read me, stretching if you will, by nit-picking a far fetched reason for my push instead of addressing whether or not my points against Una are fair or possibly show some kind of scum mindset you see me harbouring in my questionning of him.

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I'm scum reading Una but giving him a chance to prove me wrong.

Just to sink my point home, it really doesn't feel this way to me. It feels like you bullishly trying to incriminate him. Where in your opinion are you giving him a chance to prove you wrong?

By asking him to clarify his stances and showing how I've interpreted them instead of just presenting him to the town as scum.

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It's mildly amusing that you claim to scum read him (in scum reading everyone) and that you like to watch interactions play out in the thread (your back and forth with ran) but you're not letting Una respond for himself?

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It's mildly amusing that you claim to scum read him (in scum reading everyone) and that you like to watch interactions play out in the thread (your back and forth with ran) but you're not letting Una respond for himself?

You prompted this exchange not me?

Asking how you find my recent posts should be expected. You jumping in to defend him whilst claiming tjose things was not but ok I'll take the blame for this. I'm just weary that you've given una a platform from which to attack my intent over answering my push and clarifying his reads.

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Ugh mobile posting. I r spells.

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Not the first or last time I'll be accused of moon logic. I try to look at the game in ways most don't. I feel scum disguise the areas they know people will be poking at.

I'm flattered you think my scum game is this good. There's a reason I hate playing scum.

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VOTE: UnaBombaH

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mastina (3) ~ Ranmaru, mastina, chamber

You know I want to town read Ran and Chamber just for this. I will if this flips town because I don't think scum would want anything to do with it going into lylo. It also makes me very suspicious of Una eagerly town reading mastina and not doing much to promote his super connfident Maria wagon whilst spewing LAMIST propaganda.

If she flips scum then it's another story altogether. I will lynch there if it's the main wagon still going to EOD.

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What do you want from me?

You've yet to clarify your opinions.

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Like you're still not explaining why Maria is scum? And how those two are connected?

I can see your PoV on the chainsaw argument for Maria and I being scum, but then I feel like why are you dispensing pre-flip associations between Mastina/Maria and Maria/me when you could just give a solid reason for everyone to hop on Maria, that isn't just you being confident because you're unable to word things how you want to.

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I also think your mindset is uncomfortably inflexible for town

How? When?

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how could you scum read wh4t? Were you scum there?

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Is cheeky someones alt?

No.

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I got the impression that his reads were very static throughout the day phase. He's asking questions but generally I don't see how he's using them to evaluate his reads. IDK what to make of the townblock thing, generally ambivalent I think
But I do agree with him that I think my impression of him will become clearer over time.

What do you make of him reassessing his scum read on me?

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A lot off offsite experience?

No lmao. I had 3 games on another site prior to joining here that were beyond lol in player/mod ability. The format was also completely different and players relied more on mechanical info than scumreading. I joined MS to get better.

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Damn I'm starting to scum read Maria :/

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you can sr me after we lynch una

Why Una before mastina?

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no real reason.

Wouldn't it makes more sense to lynch mastina given yesterday's events?

Pedit right. You seemed pretty sure Una was the lynch going through like 4 posts ago.

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I need EP to be more transparent so I can start PoEing after ISO digging.

Pedit she gave examples from scum games to prove a point about using reads lists as town. Now she's done the same thing as Una in that she's feigning confidence in her lynch pushes.

Chamber I keep flip flopping on. I like his Martina vote while actively scum hunting today and the attack on the "town block" seems townie as it would take very ballsy scum to openly dismantle people town reading each other but I can also see possible scum motive there. I dislike his reachy stances in places. So yeah I can't pin an alignment to him based on his actions so far.

Ugh too many ninjas.

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Were you not scum in clownspiracy?

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OK that point was wrong, but not the point about read discrepancy. I'm not voting outside of Una/Martina today so this is a point to look back on later.

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Haven't had a chance to check since the last time I gave you his thoughts. (To be honest I forgot to even read what 152 was.)

I'm trying to break down your perspective here.

So you presumably know youre town.
You're willing to straight up self-destruct, send us to LYLO, and bet the whole game on us managing to get two out of two correct lynches today and tomorrow.
You're pushing one of those lynches as una, who your partner has previously said to you is locktown.
This is something that literally determines the game and you didn't care about it enough to follow up?

Oh I missed this on the first read. This is pretty towny.

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So atm I'm here

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It's pretty strange that Una sees maria backing off her scum read as townie. There's a paranoid part of me that wants to believe the interaction between you two is SvS but it's certainly not the most feasible given you're walling each other and occams razor dictates that you're not scum together. I hesitate because I don't see what either of you have done so far as outside of a basic scum range.

I'm still set on Una being scum. Maria I'm leaning scum but unlikely with Una. Errant I feel has posts which can be explained as either alignment but the thing that pings me the most is their interactions with other regarding the mastina wagon. Like EOD1 Errant soft pushes mastina and didn't really follow up on it. Today they're criticisingplayers like Maria for voting mastina but ignored the same from Ran and Chamber. After rereading I'm actually less sure so will try to reISO everyone when I have time. I'll say that Chamber being the only one to bring up the lycan kill could be significant. Mastina giving mechanical reasons to town read chamber is also worth noting post flip. I feel like I'm comfortable for the day to end now as there's enough to go off. If others need the extra time that's fine, I don't plan on hammering without intent which will probably come after I've put together some kind of reads list.

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I'm choosing to ignore the current scum reads on me until they're justified in some way. Both Una and Maria are second handedly calling me scum and neither have given reasons for why. PoE is not sufficient. I am not going to be scum read and have us lose the game if I'm alive at Lylo.