Gork votes Porkens first, and remains the only vote on porkens for a long while, until the Titus wagon gains quite a bit of momentum, and then...
Draynth, Gork, Titus all hop on the Porkens wagon, followed by Ginngie, SGBA, PenguinPower and Nos.
mhsmith0 wrote:
Spoiler: GORK
Gork because he had a persistent scumread there, I suppose, though the read was never explained, and in 631 he says he can't even remember why he was voting him.
porkens is an enigma and i dont really remember why i felt they were scummy anymore.
but then the next mention of porkens isn't for nearly another hundred posts, in 788 where he votes Nos, and says
porkens and a50 are also okay alternatives on this front!
When I told him I strongly felt that Porkens was town and asked him to convince why I was wrong, he said simply that it was because Porkens just wasn't a townread... and then asked me to convince why I thought Porkens was town (which I did). He then appeals to Porkens to use his vote and be more productive. And asks people to give a hard stance on porkens, titus, and punreader with reasons, and votes porkens again, because
dont feel like theyre honestly trying to get eddie lynched at all right now, which feels especially awful given how little time is left in the day.
<snip>
as of right now im willing to vote titus for deadline if porkens towns it up.
i think it should be obvious that i like porkens lynch more than a titus lynch.
Based on the previous posts and notes here, this was not obvious to me at all...
He also asks for input on Porkens from tn, and eddie. and me. and jingle. and Nos. And argues that Porkens is scummier than Titus... I think. 1073
Spoiler: Draynth
Apparently didn't catch up properly until 667 posts into the thread. Lists Porkens as town, and qualifies the list with "skimming through all 27 pages at 1am". Two posts directed at Porkens asking why PP and Titus were scum, 715. AFAICT, Porkens never responds. The next mention of Porkens, and in fact the very next post Draynth makes, 830, is a vote for Porkens. No explanation really. Last mention is 1096 saying he's not sure what's going on but that he's still fine with the porkens lynch, and adds a *shrug*. Aware enough to call out L-1 on the wagon.
Spoiler: Titus
Votes Porkens for the first time in 1022, no prior mention really. What's odd is that she starts the post saying the the Hydra and Eddie are scum. Eddie, who Porkens was saying was scum most of the game. And then votes Porkens.
The last and only other post mentioning Porkens is 1024 where she makes sort of a reads list.
Titus wrote:Right now
ETL Gork <- Do not step to them
Jingle A50 <--- Town but watch, minor reservations
Punreader <--- Spewed by Eddie
Porkens <--- Best vote of options
Nos < - Major Inconsistency
Eddie/Hydra die
Spoiler: Ginngie
In 1026, Ginngie states "dont know why I should like Porkens but I do" and then says he's willing to hammer pun and porkens. He was voting Titus at the time. His next post (about a page or so later) is an unvote, saying "I always hammer". Porkens votes the hydra and Ginngie calls it a vanity wagon. Votes in 1089. Encourages Jingle to go ahead and vote Porkens, then realizes it's a plurality game. And that's about it, besides saying he thinks Draynth is bussing Porkens.
Spoiler: SGBA
Townreads Porkens (a maybe) in 418, along with Gork, myself, and KidAmn/??? Whoever replaced that slot. Calls for Titus lynch in 519. Asks me for advice on reading porkens in 1057
(sorry I missed that - just saw it now. Didn't realize it was directed at me. I honestly didn't click all the links in that post.... and I guess the response would be moot at this point)
Porkens moves to neutral read in 1061 and tn tells Gork he will take a look at Porkens a few posts later when he asks tn to vote for him. As promised, a PBPA is the very next post from tn, in 1076. His conclusion is that Porkens is a good compromise lynch, in lieu of, I'm assuming, Titus. But then tells Porkens that he's "a weak townlean ... despite how tilted i was by the end of my pbpa". Appeals to Porkens to do something, anything, productive, saying he'd like to work with him if he's town. Chides Porkens for continuing to be a jellyfish. When Porkens fails to meet the expectation, SGBA (tn) votes Porkens in 1092.
Spoiler: PenguinPower
Blind votes Porkens in 1099. That's it. That is literally the only mention of Porkens in the whole ISO besides trying to force a "Porkens/ETL" pre-flip associative in 1154. There was zero interaction with Porkens AT ALL prior to this vote, which I can only assume exists because the wagon existed. And to be honest, the entire ISO is complete trash, continually talking about "catching up" but never seeming to do so, and it all reads as pretty false delaying tactics, especially given the vote at the end and then suddenly they are aware enough to
finally
discuss things? It's like the only reason they voted is because I realized how legitimately scummy the slot was, and fought back out of self-preservation.
Spoiler: Nosferatu
Lists Jingle and Porkens as top tier town reads in 518. Maintains that Porkens is town in 963. And again lists Porkens as a top town read in 1008, and admits he hasn't considered Porkens as scum ever at 1041, when questioned by Punreader. In 1166, he questions wtf happened to Porkens play, and confirms what he means when I asked. Then Nos appears to look into Porkens vote history and comments on how it looks:
Nosferatu wrote:
he acts like a leashed sk or some shit idek how to feel about it
like is he town that really doesn't want to die or scum that doesn't give a shit
PenguinPower is definitely the scum on the Porkens wagon, with a middling-to-strong probability that Titus is as well. SO, this means there is at least one off the wagon in {Jingle, Almost50, eddie, Punreader}. I took a look at their votes and vote progression as well.
Spoiler: Jingle
Votes Gork. Says Mulch/Draynth is town. Votes Pun, saying he was planning on voting Porkens but misread something (?) and changed his mind. Posts reads list with Porkens in top town tier, votes Titus. Unvotes... don't know why. Says he doesn't agree with the wagon due to the company - "3 null reads, tn, and an absentee townread", votes Nos. Criticizes Nos for the hammer.
Spoiler: Almost 50
Votes Ginngie for RVS. Then votes Draynth
37 pages later
. Discusses his lack of activity and provides his thoughts and reads after a catch up, including explanations and examples. Criticizes Eddie's vote on Porkens and asks for explanation of Eddie's flop between Pun and Porkens. Criticizes Porkens for voting Titus after he told people this was "definitely town Titus" because of his meta knowledge.
Let's lynch someone who is less likely to be shot by scum if they're Town.
in 1037. Last reads list has Titus, Pun and Porkens as top town reads, with Nos and Draynth at the bottom. Votes Nos, qualifying it with "I'm not sure what the VC looks like" and last post chides Porkens for not acting townie enough so he can argue against the lynch. Really odd wording to me.
Spoiler: schad/Eddie
Is schad even playing this anymore? Votes SGBA in RVS. Calls Penguin town in 34. Naked vote on a50 with no explanation in 317. Naked vote on me in 653, again with no explanation. When questioned, got aggressive and defensive. Asking pun to "drop it" re: being able to spot his scumgame is fucking weird as well. Pisses me off for a bit and backs off when I bite back. Follows gork's vote onto Nos in 791, which implies to me he's townreading Gork? Then decides Nos is town, and votes Punreader. Lists Nos, Penguin as top town tier, followed by Gork, the hydra and draynth. Pun, titus and myself are his top scum reads as of 1000. Does clarify that his strongest reads are Nos and Penguin. Flips again to say he thinks Pun is town and votes Porkens, but says I'm the best best for Scum, and votes Titus.
Spoiler: Punreader
Votes Gork in his first post full of nonsense "puns" that aren't funny nor clever, 294. Votes Mulch because his reads aren't accurate enough to be town.... ???? Posts a readslist - Mulch, Gork, Eddie/schadd as scum, and SGBA, Jingle as town. Decides to vote Titus in 537, and gives his thoughts re: her meta. Continues to call me scum. Says Nos is town. Builds a case for scumEddie, starting around 979. Calls Porkens "loosely a townread", and Titus is his strongest scumread.
Overall Conclusion of Analysis
Draynth: Position on the wagon indicates not likely scum but presence there does not. Null, but more towny in ISO than Gork re: their Porkens vote.
NULL-TOWN
Gork: No idea
NULL
Titus: Vote doesn't make sense, no explanation given, "compromises" on Porkens.
NULL-SCUM
Ginngie: Forgets it's a plurality game, read was consistent throughout ISO.
TOWN
SGBA: Natural progression of Porkens read, very clear though process and trajectory.
TOWN
PenguinPower: No mention or interaction of/with Porkens until adding vote to existing wagon when votes began shifting off Porkens.
HARD SCUM
Nosferatu: Natural progression of read, natural reaction to the reaction to his hammer.
TOWN
Jingle: Another natural reads progression, I like the interactions with others. Wanted to be paranoid, looked hard for evidence of scum-motivation, found none.
TOWN
Almost50: Bad vote trajectory, excuses about bad posts, bad reads, absence from thread, etc. Tells Porkens to act more town, so he can defend the wagon more vocally.
SCUM
Eddie: Honestly don't know why this looks null-town but it does. Will have to figure that out better later.
null-town
Punreader: No idea, just doesn't seem like scum though.
Would be fine with Titus as well I think, which would strongly indicate scumA50 further if she indeed flips scum. I do feel that PenguinPower is the more confident read here thought, at least for me.
In post 1229, tn5421 wrote:you do realize ginngie was nk'd and is therefore conftown right?
Yes I realize that. Do you realize this wasn't written this very moment, but over the night phase when I had time to do all that research? I'm dumb and didn't remove it.
Don't think there's much we can do until n2?
I'm not sure either
"just got my hands in cooking! feel free to give me suggestions. So far completed: noodle in soup, noodle stuffed clam over noodle, red white and bluedle american noodle, hot brown noodle"
In post 1229, tn5421 wrote:you do realize ginngie was nk'd and is therefore conftown right?
Yes I realize that. Do you realize this wasn't written this very moment, but over the night phase when I had time to do all that research? I'm dumb and didn't remove it.
I kind of figured. I untangled the big wall overnight *shrug*
In post 1235, Draynth wrote:Don't think there's much we can do until n2?
I'm not sure either
Yeah I don't really understand how the setup can ever really be "broken". I mean, even if we had multiple flips/results, you can be 1 of 3 possible things for both results. I'm hoping someone else will be better at the setup stuff because it won't be me this game. I don't even know where to begin.
,
dont really see what was particularly town about porkens in that interaction you linked?
if its just gut, i think it would be better for you to try to unpack whatever feeling you have there into something more digestible because i dont really see what youre seeing there?
and the way the day worked out/the way our activity has lined up this game in general we didnt have time to hash it out when id actually had time to go back and read why you thought porkens was town.
etl wrote:Based on the previous posts and notes here, this was not obvious to me at all...
i meant that it should be obvious in terms of me voting them, pushing them and thinking that they were scum?
In post 1227, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Appealing to a bunch of different people, two of which were supposedly "hard scumreads" for input on what became his top scumread (???)
who are the "hard scumreads" that i was "appealing" to????
gork wrote:dont feel like theyre honestly trying to get eddie lynched at all right now, which feels especially awful given how little time is left in the day.
it was also them sheeping on eddie's vote onto titus because they didnt want to die and then afterwards coming back and trying to justify the titus vote that felt really skeevy to me.
ill try to get some actual reading in this weekend, but if i cant then i might just replace. idk if i have the time to actually dig into this game in a meaningful way.
Wait no don't we just lynch the hydra today then everyone knows their sanity?
Or did Jingles want multiple nights of results and flips from "actual" lynches (ie. lynching whoever we think is scum) to work out sanities
"just got my hands in cooking! feel free to give me suggestions. So far completed: noodle in soup, noodle stuffed clam over noodle, red white and bluedle american noodle, hot brown noodle"
In post 1238, Gorkington wrote:who are the "hard scumreads" that i was "appealing" to????
I don't remember now. I should have noted those names down. You asked Eddie, Nos and Pun and I thought you had Pun and Nos as hard scumreads.
p-edit: nah lynching an obvtown slot doesn't help us. so, if they flip town, anyone with a town result could be sane, random, or naive, and there's no way to tell which at this point. anyone with a scum result could be insane, random, or paranoid, again with no way to know which.
Hmm good point, Haven't played many games with unknown sanities before
"just got my hands in cooking! feel free to give me suggestions. So far completed: noodle in soup, noodle stuffed clam over noodle, red white and bluedle american noodle, hot brown noodle"
In post 1240, Gorkington wrote:ill try to get some actual reading in this weekend, but if i cant then i might just replace. idk if i have the time to actually dig into this game in a meaningful way.
Please don't replace out :< :<
You're one of the like 3 people outside of my hydra that are making this game fun for me to play in. If someone's gonna get replaced by Varsoon, I'd rather it not be you.
In post 1241, Draynth wrote:Wait no don't we just lynch the hydra today then everyone knows their sanity?
Or did Jingles want multiple nights of results and flips from "actual" lynches (ie. lynching whoever we think is scum) to work out sanities
I thought that was the plan too, but I was told that it was not shortly before the end of day one.
In post 1176, Almost50 wrote:@Porkens: If you're town, you're really making it hard for me to argue against your lynch. 'nough said.
@ETL: If I'm not mistaking; you're the only one currently voting PP. Furthermore, you do agree Nos is also scum, so why not join the wagon on her and leave PP for tomorrow?
@Everyone voting Porkens: My main problem there is that Draynth is on the wagon (actually leading it) and he never looked like he wanted to jump off it. I simply am not going to vote with my biggest SR.
eh. the read on nos isn't as strong as the read on penguin especially considering the last few posts.
i'm extremely confused by porkens behavior. and titus for that matter as well. my reads are devolving. this game is a mess in my head and i am losing sight of what any of it means.
pedit. well there it is i guess. if i'm dead tomorrow lynch titus or jingle.
Can't do that, THE PLAN requires us, the megahydra, to die.
In post 1187, Stop Getting Banned Again wrote:The NOS hammer is absolutely garbage, true. Don't let them go and force us to use the maximum discussion time tomorrow before letting me die as we all agreed on.
You getting lynched tomorrow is absolutely not the plan.
I'm fairly certain I've been 100% clear on that.
In post 1193, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:i'm not giving them a free town lynch tn it's not happening. we all check you tonight and see what happens tomorrow post-flips.
In post 1245, Stop Getting Banned Again wrote:Please don't replace out :< :<
You're one of the like 3 people outside of my hydra that are making this game fun for me to play in.
"just got my hands in cooking! feel free to give me suggestions. So far completed: noodle in soup, noodle stuffed clam over noodle, red white and bluedle american noodle, hot brown noodle"
In post 1238, Gorkington wrote:who are the "hard scumreads" that i was "appealing" to????
I don't remember now. I should have noted those names down. You asked Eddie, Nos and Pun and I thought you had Pun and Nos as hard scumreads.
p-edit: nah lynching an obvtown slot doesn't help us. so, if they flip town, anyone with a town result could be sane, random, or naive, and there's no way to tell which at this point. anyone with a scum result could be insane, random, or paranoid, again with no way to know which.
i mean,
i) if i was scumreading any of them, it wouldnt have been appealing, it would have been asking them to parse if they could potentially be buddies.
ii) i may not have outright posted a readslist, but iirc i was at the time
townleaning punreader, townreading nos and idek about eddie.
and i was trying to get people to give more detailed stancing on porkens and i was hoping to have more time to pick apart responses to try to drive up the wagon by trying to argue it in real-time. obviously i really underestimated how much time i would actually have to do so.
:')
i do feel more strongly about tits than probably anything else in this game.
but thats besides the point.
[i remember saying that i didnt really feel confident about parsing titus in general?
what gave you the impression otherwise?]
sgba wrote:Please don't replace out :< :<You're one of the like 3 people outside of my hydra that are making this game fun for me to play in. If someone's gonna get replaced by Varsoon, I'd rather it not be you.
ill see what i can do. lol. i feel like ive been playing like shit this game so far and until i can really put the hours in im kind of expecting that to continue [and the next few days are only busier for me/theres only so much time i can slack off at work right now q.q]
