Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

y the fuck would I ever want to play with someone like you

lol nobody joined this game to play with YOU did they

[EspeciallyTheLies]

anyway i'm mobile and about to be without access for the rest of the night and jingle is gone so... bye.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

[Dunnstral]

Nah he's just annoying and I shouldn't be messing with him

VOTE: Ramcius

[Ouroboros]

think that ramcius is probably town for meta reasons. what's your wilky read?

[Dunnstral]

I didn't think he was scum but he's kind of scummy in his responses to you/not really making a case for himself here

[Ouroboros]

^

This makes no sense.

Ghost

[Dunnstral]

Go on

[Ouroboros]

It's hedging on his - Wilky's - alignment.

Ghost

[Dunnstral]

"limit or qualify (something) by conditions or exceptions."

No it's not, I didn't set any sort of conditions or exceptions at all.

[Ouroboros]

?

Ghost

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand what you're saying, what doesn't make sense in 1405

[Ouroboros]

I perceived it as you were hedging on your Wilky read.

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

The phrase "I don't think he's scum, but he's acting scummy," is something that scum can say in order to avoid scrutiny once a wagon flips green.

Ghost

[Dunnstral]

Can you define hedging for me

[Ouroboros]

A better term might be 'waffling', and I use them interchangeably, so that's my fault. My bad.

It's when someone fails to make up their mind and in context of mafia it's basically where someone isn't really taking a stance on someone else's alignment. Objectively speaking, I think it's NAI - since town and scum can be indecisive (obviously one is a safer to assume that that indecisiveness is genuine i.e. town) - but post a green flip on a wagon, I have seen scum use this indecisiveness as an excuse to jump on the wagon and avoid then scrutiny post flip.

If you had to categorize your read on Wilky in one or two words i.e. null, scum, town, etc., what would it be?

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

While you're at it, can you update me on your perception/read of Ank and the Hebi slot?

Your last mention of either of them - albeit I did skim your ISO - was in 445 and was related to how they sheeped onto the Vent wagon and how you felt that that was suspicious.

Ghost

[davesaz]

let's get the unvotes so you can get the third vote on Wilky and then we'll get the L-1 and then you can hammer them.
even if I'm wrong here you guys still completely failed to address the reasons that I've given to want this lynch.

Not gonna happen.

[davesaz]

Most likely case -- we're both town millers. In Wilky's case, the miller is a modifier not the actual role. If flavor is anything like the game, it's potentially a highly favorable role.

Less likely case -- it was a "safeclaim", which can be sorted later. The negative from mislynching that specific flavor right now far outweighs the positive if it's fake.

I'd be very much onboard with lynching tchill.
I owe analysis of Vent's posts, in particular the manufactured ones. I might get to that if I can escape the software bugs long enough.

[Impossibear]

Everyone else, for the love of god use pseudovotes for now.

Refusal to do this is a scumclaim. Not even joking, I would even shoot Kaede for attempting to fuck with this. Letting scum end the day early 'by accident' is a very real concern. A confirmed town bulletproof vig is not something scum want to deal with.

[Impossibear]

Wilky
Ramcius
Impossibear
Nero Replacement

hebi replacement

Dunnstral
Jungle
Kokichi
Maria

Hebi's not getting replaced, so this is updated. This is not about thinking Ramcius is scum. This is about trading the possibility that Ramcius might get quicklynched for conftowning me.

If you assume this is some kind of gambit, neither I nor Jungle will be able to hammer. Assuming this is real, scum either lets this happen, confirming me, pseudoconfirming Jungle, and giving us a solid townblock to work with, or quickhammers, outing a second scum. Anyone who thinks Ramcius for a scum isn't a positive town equity trade is worth lynching on the grounds that they probably can't read. If you are on that list vote Ramcius. If not, use pseudovotes and don't actually vote anyone.

[Impossibear]

Also before I go, here's other thoughts i've thought regarding tchill:

tchill if town can dodge bullets (and other night actions) on the risk of their target getting shot.
tchill if scum is either a commuter that made a convoluted way of fake claiming commuter (I dont think so), or is a scum hider who risks getting shot by the vig if hiding behind someone that's being shot.

Regardless of any of these situations he cant be tracked and so long as he doesnt die from hiding behind someone that's shot it's hard to confirm it as well.
If he's suspected of being scum i think the better scenario would be to force him to choose a hiding target before night begins, and then scum either know he's town and shoot anyway, removing that uncertainty from us, or cant shoot coz it would give away their cover.

Huge problem with this. The person Tchill hides behind needs to be a high equity scumkill. The person also needs to be killable. That means, at this point, you or Jungle. I'm not willing to trade not protecting one of the two of you for a chance that you take Tchill with you.

[Impossibear]

Fascinating parallels, here, btw. RC, care to comment?

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And then read this:

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[Impossibear]

One more parting shot before I get back to actually being productive.

RC agrees I'm likely the vig based on the kill last night. I am presumably going to be targeted by a cop who CANNOT target another player. RC is still attempting to policy lynch me because I'm opposing a lynch on a player that in his own words he's not 100% on for ONE DAY. Not even to guarantee a lynch on my own suspect, although I think such a lynch is clearly the best course of action for town. I'd be fine with scumhunting and finding a different candidate.

RC is, at best, antitown at the moment because he cannot stand that I don't worship the ground he stands on, and until his behavior shifts substantially I'm going to stop trying to work with him.

[Impossibear]

~Jingle