Micro 803: The Coalition
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Wisdom Of the One
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I'm pretty sure not having the right mindset is how it works.In post 124, Wisdom wrote:
You're both put off by the other not doing what you expect them toIn post 122, Hiraki wrote:Then why hasn't she asked me why I'm scumreading her?
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No, I don't exactly have "solid reads" but I also don't need "solid reads" to state what my reads are, and that's basically what I was doing. Why can't I heal townleans and hurt scumleans? It's not like there was no content at that point for me to get reads from.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
Correct, within the span of 3 posts on 2 pages, you had 2 people healed and 1 person hurt. You have 3 solid reads by page 2? Really? And you're calling me fake?In post 106, Ausuka wrote:Hiraki's read on me is hilariously fake and he should never be allowed into any townbloc. Consider the fact that
... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.In post 120, Hiraki wrote: Then to justify it your response is:
If it's gut, and it's page 2, why did you feel the need to vote?In post 47, Ausuka wrote:gut
What am I supposed to ask? "Hey Invisibility, why do you ping me? I expect an 100 word essay and I want it by Thursday." or something?In post 120, Hiraki wrote:You never asked any questions and you just went right for it. That doesn't seem town motivated to me.
I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
Which again reiterates that you have no intention of figuring out the game but you're just going to let it slide super hard.In post 84, Ausuka wrote:Considering the content I've given so far scumreading me feels flat-out disingenuous.
That's not the point I was making and you know it.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
I don't really react to things like a Youtuber.In post 106, Ausuka wrote:Hiraki had no reaction.
And this becomes super ironic REALLY quickly, because then you post this;
after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.In post 120, Hiraki wrote: I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:
Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.
HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:Note that the original quote was -
Yet Ausuka went right onto the point that might have insinuated her a little as scum. She doesn't even bring up the point that Wisdom is TRing her.
And why do I need to bring up the fact that Wisdom is TRing me? What do you want me to say? "Oh jolly gee Wisdom, thank you so much for townreading me! I really appreciate that a lot. Thank you!!!!" or something? If I have nothing to say, I'm not going to respond to it.
Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?In post 122, Hiraki wrote:Then why hasn't she asked me why I'm scumreading her?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I assume this is because I'm not posting content
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Believe it or not, this is partially intentional
I think I have a model for how scum behaves in this setup but observer effect can ruin it on page 6-
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Wisdom Of the One
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I'm concerned that since scums wincon requires at least one of them to temporarily hardcore town it up
It might be impossible to win d1
And an info coalition might be better than an attempt at winning-
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If scum could just hardtown themselves whenever they wanted, scum would win 100% of games.
I think something that's potentially more useful is to look at who isn't trying to lock themselves as town; for example I think a NM/Neenie team is pretty unviable atm.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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Like this is low stakes and low responsibility
It feels like it's easier to town it up here than any other type of setup, even kingmaker
That's part of why I'm not trying to powertown
Seems pointless, NAI, and would impact my actual reading ability-
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You can blame a wagon for being wrong
Can't really blame the coalition
Everyone has so much less responsibility here-
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Wisdom Of the One
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As in we should agree on who's the most lynchable within the coalition if and when things go wrong
If we have 3 or 4 definite townreads, one should be difficult to read and likely to win as scum-
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I mean that's a decent reason to keep you outside the coalition
I guess I'm psyching myself out
The thing is, if and when this fails, we ALWAYS lynch inside the coalition directly after
And then we're on our own in 1:6 mountainous even if we succeed
So I'm trying to figure out what puts us in the best position
I. E. If someone is easy to read later on, they should stay out-
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Gonna try something new in a few games. Everytime I write long posts, I'm gonna bold what I think are the most important points for other people to read. Boldnotes, if you will.
Gut reads. On page 2. Mmmk.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.
Pretty disingenuous and completely misses the point. I'd hope that maybe your town meta is better than this.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:What am I supposed to ask? "Hey Invisibility, why do you ping me? I expect an 100 word essay and I want it by Thursday." or something?
You should try and figure out why your reads are doing something abnormal from town behavior.
This is a two parter:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.
On page 6? That gut must be pretty strong.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game.
Should I not be healing townreads? What's the difference if they're popular? This is a paradox in itself. Ausuka is backhandedly saying that I'm just sheeping people and then also reminds everyone that I'm tunneling on someone who is a "popular townread". This is probably one of the worst backhands I've seen.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.
Actually, it quite clearly was. I don't react to things unless they require reaction your post:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:That's not the point I was making and you know it.
I didn't include the MathDino quote because I didn't really care to edit. Ausuka wanted me to talk about something that I didn't talk about. I don't even get what this means except that I didn't react to it.In post 106, Ausuka wrote:Clearly, the fact that I scumread Invisibility didn't mean anything to him (even though that's pretty much the only thing in those posts that can be read into) considering that when Mathdino did this;
Hiraki had no reaction.
Why should I have commented on MathDino's SR? It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.Yeah, for the same reason, because I didn't want to deal with the quotes. The same intention is still there and the fact that you are actually calling me out on misrepping a post when I clearly addressed the point is super scummy.
Never said this. Here's what I said - which you quoted but either didn't read or are just trying to misrep:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.
Which refers to something you just brought up next in the post where you're going for zingers rather than comprehensive reads.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:
Yeah, but I don't think you read that far. The above kind of proves that.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?Right - we're still on 4 people townbloc all on gut.
Except if it's not yours. Won't fail if you just follow me.In post 134, Mathdino wrote:Can't really blame the coalition-
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I thought about this a little more. I'm not a fan. Too much risk.In post 136, Mathdino wrote:As in we should agree on who's the most lynchable within the coalition if and when things go wrong
If we have 3 or 4 definite townreads, one should be difficult to read and likely to win as scum-
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Mathdino Survivor
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Okay so I'd actually like to fuck the scum over and put them both in the coalition
My proposal:
1. An obvtownie that everyone agrees to neverlynch
2. Mathdino, because otherwise there's gonna be shittons of paranoia about me
3/4. Both scum
5. The 3rd pick for scum
Lynch everyone except the obvtownie and win-
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Wisdom Of the One
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Then we'd better put both scum in amirite
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