Micro 803: The Coalition

[Wisdom]

mylo, invsibility and neenie; talk to us about the rest of your reads

[Hiraki]

Then why hasn't she asked me why I'm scumreading her?

You're both put off by the other not doing what you expect them to
It doesn't work like that

I'm pretty sure not having the right mindset is how it works.

[Ausuka]

Hiraki's read on me is hilariously fake and he should never be allowed into any townbloc. Consider the fact that

Correct, within the span of 3 posts on 2 pages, you had 2 people healed and 1 person hurt. You have 3 solid reads by page 2? Really? And you're calling me fake?

No, I don't exactly have "solid reads" but I also don't need "solid reads" to state what my reads are, and that's basically what I was doing. Why can't I heal townleans and hurt scumleans? It's not like there was no content at that point for me to get reads from.

Then to justify it your response is:

gut

If it's gut, and it's page 2, why did you feel the need to vote?

... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.

You never asked any questions and you just went right for it. That doesn't seem town motivated to me.

What am I supposed to ask? "Hey Invisibility, why do you ping me? I expect an 100 word essay and I want it by Thursday." or something?

Considering the content I've given so far scumreading me feels flat-out disingenuous.

Which again reiterates that you have no intention of figuring out the game but you're just going to let it slide super hard.

I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.

Hiraki had no reaction.

I don't really react to things like a Youtuber.

That's not the point I was making and you know it.
And this becomes super ironic REALLY quickly, because then you post this;

I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:

after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.
Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.

I dont agree with ausuka

Who's scum then?

Note that the original quote was -

I dont agree with ausuka but shes probably town

HEAL: ausuka

Yet Ausuka went right onto the point that might have insinuated her a little as scum. She doesn't even bring up the point that Wisdom is TRing her.

HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.
And why do I need to bring up the fact that Wisdom is TRing me? What do you want me to say? "Oh jolly gee Wisdom, thank you so much for townreading me! I really appreciate that a lot. Thank you!!!!" or something? If I have nothing to say, I'm not going to respond to it.

Then why hasn't she asked me why I'm scumreading her?

Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?

[Mathdino]

HEAL: hiraki
HURT: math

I assume this is because I'm not posting content

[Mathdino]

Believe it or not, this is partially intentional

I think I have a model for how scum behaves in this setup but observer effect can ruin it on page 6

[Wisdom]

sure but that doesnt help me read you
I want to know your thoughts

[Mathdino]

I'm concerned that since scums wincon requires at least one of them to temporarily hardcore town it up
It might be impossible to win d1
And an info coalition might be better than an attempt at winning

[Ausuka]

If scum could just hardtown themselves whenever they wanted, scum would win 100% of games.

I think something that's potentially more useful is to look at who isn't trying to lock themselves as town; for example I think a NM/Neenie team is pretty unviable atm.

[Mathdino]

Like this is low stakes and low responsibility
It feels like it's easier to town it up here than any other type of setup, even kingmaker
That's part of why I'm not trying to powertown
Seems pointless, NAI, and would impact my actual reading ability

[Mathdino]

You can blame a wagon for being wrong
Can't really blame the coalition
Everyone has so much less responsibility here

[Wisdom]

what do you mean by info coalition
if we fail to win we get info from it regardless

[Mathdino]

As in we should agree on who's the most lynchable within the coalition if and when things go wrong
If we have 3 or 4 definite townreads, one should be difficult to read and likely to win as scum

[Wisdom]

i dont get it
if someone is hard to read and good as scum they should just stay outside the coalition

[Wisdom]

the way i see it;
town play like town
other town identify them
scum are forced to tryhard and will likely slip up if theyre not very good scum
we go for the win and if we miss we see who's most likely to be scum in the coalition

[Mathdino]

I mean that's a decent reason to keep you outside the coalition

I guess I'm psyching myself out

The thing is, if and when this fails, we ALWAYS lynch inside the coalition directly after

And then we're on our own in 1:6 mountainous even if we succeed

So I'm trying to figure out what puts us in the best position

I. E. If someone is easy to read later on, they should stay out

[Wisdom]

alright
we have a margin of two townies being outside
along with two scumreads we could have those two be people who will be best at the game afterwards

[Wisdom]

though idk
i suppose whether youre town inside a failed coalition or town outside
you need to be someone who can be read
ie if we put the easily readable town outside and the harder inside we might have less of a chance succeeding at lynching the scum in a failed coalition

[Wisdom]

i think we should just go for 5 most town and work it from there if it fails

[Hiraki]

Gonna try something new in a few games. Everytime I write long posts, I'm gonna bold what I think are the most important points for other people to read. Boldnotes, if you will.

... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.

Gut reads. On page 2. Mmmk.

What am I supposed to ask? "Hey Invisibility, why do you ping me? I expect an 100 word essay and I want it by Thursday." or something?

Pretty disingenuous and completely misses the point. I'd hope that maybe your town meta is better than this.

You should try and figure out why your reads are doing something abnormal from town behavior.

I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.

This is a two parter:

I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game.

On page 6? That gut must be pretty strong.

In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.

Should I not be healing townreads? What's the difference if they're popular? This is a paradox in itself. Ausuka is backhandedly saying that I'm just sheeping people and then also reminds everyone that I'm tunneling on someone who is a "popular townread". This is probably one of the worst backhands I've seen.

That's not the point I was making and you know it.

Actually, it quite clearly was. I don't react to things unless they require reaction your post:

Clearly, the fact that I scumread Invisibility didn't mean anything to him (even though that's pretty much the only thing in those posts that can be read into) considering that when Mathdino did this;

Hiraki had no reaction.

I didn't include the MathDino quote because I didn't really care to edit. Ausuka wanted me to talk about something that I didn't talk about. I don't even get what this means except that I didn't react to it.

Why should I have commented on MathDino's SR? It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.

after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.

Yeah, for the same reason, because I didn't want to deal with the quotes. The same intention is still there and the fact that you are actually calling me out on misrepping a post when I clearly addressed the point is super scummy.

Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.

Never said this. Here's what I said - which you quoted but either didn't read or are just trying to misrep:

I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:

Which refers to something you just brought up next in the post where you're going for zingers rather than comprehensive reads.

HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.

Yeah, but I don't think you read that far. The above kind of proves that.

Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?

Right - we're still on 4 people townbloc all on gut.

Can't really blame the coalition

Except if it's not yours. Won't fail if you just follow me.

[Invisibility]

feel good about wisdom HEAL: Wisdom

[Hiraki]

As in we should agree on who's the most lynchable within the coalition if and when things go wrong
If we have 3 or 4 definite townreads, one should be difficult to read and likely to win as scum

I thought about this a little more. I'm not a fan. Too much risk.

[Mathdino]

Okay so I'd actually like to fuck the scum over and put them both in the coalition

My proposal:
1. An obvtownie that everyone agrees to neverlynch
2. Mathdino, because otherwise there's gonna be shittons of paranoia about me
3/4. Both scum
5. The 3rd pick for scum

Lynch everyone except the obvtownie and win

[Wisdom]

if we only put one scum in the coalition and we lynch them last we're in 5:1 with people we townread

how is that any better

not to mention that deletes any possibility of winning d1

[Wisdom]

4:1*

[Mathdino]

Then we'd better put both scum in amirite