Hard pass.In post 246, Momrangal wrote:Oh also, Dunn is a tentative and careful town read at the moment.
Also, Pine. I'm not vibing you this game and you're one of the few people I want to get a solid read on so I guess stop being lazy!
If you're saying it's different than my scum play then how are you still scumreading me?In post 237, SirCakez wrote:Kokichi is not good either, but not feeling as bad. The tunneling on Wisdom feels like a scum move. 168 really irked me. I also find questioning townreads on yourself to be a scumtell. I am only leaning scum here b/c the play feels different from scum Koki in Partition which has me wary.
A little context since you havent played with me againIn post 238, LuckyOtter wrote:Wisdom just kind of shuts down (150). That’s the part that bothers me the most out of all this.
You continue taking things out of context. "I dont think i can read you anymore" was an answer to kokichi's question, not an extra justification for my vote (which you are presenting it as when you say i want to PL him).In post 242, havingfitz wrote: Don't like Wisdom's 102....feels like it's making excuses and infer's a PL vote on Koki.
It kind of is. Do i have to repeat myself on why im not eager to scumread eevee or why this will extend to disagreeing with whoever's shallowly scumreading him based on style?125...feels like a soft defense of Eevee by Wisdom.
No, thats incorrect. I often catch scum by their reads on me - see Kokichi in 2004. There are people who get paranoid of me, there are newbies that scumread my playstyle, and there are scum who bs nonsense reads on me. Ive learned to tell the difference.wrt Wisdom's 178...whether you are scum or town...any reasons given by others (whether they are town or scum) that go against your wincon are going to be called BS. Show me a case against you that you like. And you pulling meta based on 1 game is......bs.
Not if you consider that Brie was one of the six in my given PoE list. Or that I know how scum-Math BSs reads and that felt like that.Wisdom omgus sr'ing Brie's replacement Mathblade as soon as a hint of suspicion comes his way looks bad imo.
Go look at Alisae’s recently completed game.In post 247, EeveeLution Army wrote:Mathblade whats pines scummeta than?
This is an interesting meta-type kind of read you got on me? Are you bribing me for an easy town read math? So how do South Asians sound when they lie?In post 213, MathBlade wrote:In post 206, LuckyOtter wrote:Math, what makes Pine and ArcAngel clearly town?
Also interested in your reads on momrangal and eevee.
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SirCakez, does anything from Fuzzy feel genuine to you? It doesn't to me. If you have meta or something that can help me understand by all means share.
ArcAngel because as area-ist as this may sound I have worked with a lot of people from India/Southeast Asia and it’s a lot easier for me to tell when they are lying.
Why are you exclusively asking me about Fitz? *Raising my eye on you*In post 224, LuckyOtter wrote:Why not?In post 222, Hiraki wrote:I haven't been feeling townWisdom here too hard either.
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I feel like I'm stalled waiting for Fuzzy to do something, which isn't helping the game. So to try to keep things moving:
ArcAngel, do you have a read on Fitz?
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Pedit: Momrangal, I was just about to ask you about this again. I don't understand your reaction to my question in 177. Do you have a read on Dunn?
If pine is scum. We have lost this game. Don't fail me pine. Don't be scum.In post 231, Pine wrote:I feel like this is not the ruleset for Hiraki and Wisdom. They keep coming up against their quota.
They can both be Town for now though. Wis stronger I think. Otter might be Town. Brie's replace-out feels Town, but is probably NAI. Dunn is lurking, which I don't think is good for him. Fuzzy is still hoping we'll get bored with his wagon and move on. I'm not letting up.
You're so hot that i just want to sheep you!!
Because it's still scummy play.In post 251, Kokichi Oma wrote:If you're saying it's different than my scum play then how are you still scumreading me?In post 237, SirCakez wrote:Kokichi is not good either, but not feeling as bad. The tunneling on Wisdom feels like a scum move. 168 really irked me. I also find questioning townreads on yourself to be a scumtell. I am only leaning scum here b/c the play feels different from scum Koki in Partition which has me wary.
In general I find that when most of them lied, they end up being really polite about it and then trying to still be in the good graces afterward or they'd ask if it was "good enough". And if they were serious about something then they were a lot more forward. Again it's a stereotype and probably shouldn't be used here as people are more than a stereotype but it hasn't failed me yet. I had one contractor who pretty much pretended to be clueless so I had a coworker of mine teach me a few things in Hindi and he was shocked when I said something back to him and got all apologetic. It was fun. I don't know enough hindi to understand anything but enough to get tone etc.In post 261, ArcAngel9 wrote:This is an interesting meta-type kind of read you got on me? Are you bribing me for an easy town read math? So how do South Asians sound when they lie?In post 213, MathBlade wrote:In post 206, LuckyOtter wrote:Math, what makes Pine and ArcAngel clearly town?
Also interested in your reads on momrangal and eevee.
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SirCakez, does anything from Fuzzy feel genuine to you? It doesn't to me. If you have meta or something that can help me understand by all means share.
ArcAngel because as area-ist as this may sound I have worked with a lot of people from India/Southeast Asia and it’s a lot easier for me to tell when they are lying.
Why are you exclusively asking me about Fitz? *Raising my eye on you*In post 224, LuckyOtter wrote:Why not?In post 222, Hiraki wrote:I haven't been feeling townWisdom here too hard either.
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I feel like I'm stalled waiting for Fuzzy to do something, which isn't helping the game. So to try to keep things moving:
ArcAngel, do you have a read on Fitz?
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Pedit: Momrangal, I was just about to ask you about this again. I don't understand your reaction to my question in 177. Do you have a read on Dunn?
Well but i do want to explain here though.. So here you go!
I played with Fitz in a game where he was a town and later turned into scum. He is an extremely competitive player. Unlike me, he is not very transparent. He usually has good logic in his post regardless of his alignment. What concerns me about him that i didn't feel him as persuasive he gets when he is town but this little too early to judge him on this. I got a future-leaning scum read on him.
If pine is scum. We have lost this game. Don't fail me pine. Don't be scum.In post 231, Pine wrote:I feel like this is not the ruleset for Hiraki and Wisdom. They keep coming up against their quota.
They can both be Town for now though. Wis stronger I think. Otter might be Town. Brie's replace-out feels Town, but is probably NAI. Dunn is lurking, which I don't think is good for him. Fuzzy is still hoping we'll get bored with his wagon and move on. I'm not letting up.
You're so hot that i just want to sheep you!!
But lets lynch Hiraki today, He is scum!!
I checked after you said this, only did this twice so far.In post 231, Pine wrote:I feel like this is not the ruleset for Hiraki and Wisdom. They keep coming up against their quota.
Come ON man, you know that this is piss poor at best.In post 233, Wisdom wrote:I don't need a reason to vote you
Didn't really understand this on first read but now I get it. Really not anything that you can do to convince anyone.In post 234, Wisdom wrote:How does voicing an opinion on fitz (that he makes sense as town and here he doesn't) not serve a purpose?
Ok yeah but your answer doesn't really serve a good purpose. It feels fake too. You're looking for reads when you've already stated that you have them. It's weird and uncanny.In post 234, Wisdom wrote:How does answering kokichi's question not serve a purpose?
Nope, here we go again. The point you made was that you can't read people becauseIn post 234, Wisdom wrote:How does me explaining that i cant fucking play with 4 posts per page and that youre going to inevitably think im different not serve a purpose?
I never quoted anything much like this (maybe this refers to the Koki quote?) but this probably drives a nail into why I think your play is very fake right now. You don't need to post to read Arc. Arc has maybe 5 posts in this game and is one of the only people that you won't get a decent response out of. That wraps into your whole thing about not being able to post a lot.In post 234, Wisdom wrote:How does me trying to read arc not serve a purpose?
I don't agree with this. Wisdom usually has good questions.In post 236, SirCakez wrote:I think Wisdom's frustration with the game's posting limits is legit, knowing him. And asking seemingly pointless questions is also a characteristic he has. That said I'd still put him as null, nothing he's said really sticks out.
I hate this.In post 237, SirCakez wrote:Kokichi is not good either, but not feeling as bad. The tunneling on Wisdom feels like a scum move. 168 really irked me. I also find questioning townreads on yourself to be a scumtell. I am only leaning scum here b/c the play feels different from scum Koki in Partition which has me wary.
Clear difference in tone between that question and 90% of Wisdom's.In post 239, Dunnstral wrote:A few posts before you?
I appreciate it. It might not be but I think false hammers can happen inorganically because of it. Especially on Day 1.
Not has hard of a lean here but somewhat agreement.In post 241, EeveeLution Army wrote:I'm starting to think pines scum mostly because of how much hes hammering in that wisdom is his townread
Usually I acknowledge agreement, yeah.In post 242, havingfitz wrote:@Hiraki wrt 66...do you always "say something" when you sheep another player's vote?
Fake news!In post 242, havingfitz wrote:(i.e. I was of same mindset Wisdom [and Hiraki] was when they voted AA9).
Wisdom says AA9 is scummy for saying something false. AA9 says that Wisdom is scummy for calling her out on doing something false which wasn't actually false.In post 242, havingfitz wrote:hmmm....not seeing where AA9 was being "extremely hypocritical" wrt Wisdom as Hiraki states here.
I'm talking out of my ass here but I think there's probably still a larger Wisdom wagon at this point. Are they weighted the same or nah?In post 242, havingfitz wrote:VOTE: Eevee
In post 252, Kokichi Oma wrote:Can someone explain the eevee read? Cause I dont see it
1) That's not what you said. You didn't say Wisdom had bad tone, you said he was posting bad questionsIn post 266, Hiraki wrote:Clear difference in tone between that question and 90% of Wisdom's.
Just saw this - with the wisdom + you conversation going on I didn't really scumread Wisdom anymore (who I was voting) and you looked worse to me in your interaction with him, plus I was kind of following along with wisdom's push on you at the timeIn post 242, havingfitz wrote:@ Dunn, wrt 140...why are you voting me?
Nope! Let's try again!In post 268, Dunnstral wrote:1) That's not what you said. You didn't say Wisdom had bad tone, you said he was posting bad questions
This is vastly different from saying "posting bad questions." One defines that the questions in themselves are just bad while the other one says that they don't serve any purpose.In post 230, Hiraki wrote:I don't feel like your questions and statements have any real purpose.
I mean sure, he could doubledown on Koki - oh wait what's this?In post 268, Dunnstral wrote:2) I don't know what you're talkng about, he asks a random question that is basically answered in the thread and then moves on to something else
Ah, so it's B.In post 238, LuckyOtter wrote:It’s the post 150 that makes me feel inclined to think the latter, but I need to reread Wisdom in isolation, which will have to happen later.
Continue to be ignored by most of the gamestate until you post something useful.
Close. Wagon make up has Eevee my preferenceIn post 266, Hiraki wrote:I'm talking out of my ass here but I think there's probably still a larger Wisdom wagon at this point. Are they weighted the same or nah?
This bit is actually pretty informative and changes some of my reads. So here's the sequence of events:In post 245, Momrangal wrote:It means what I said. You brought up a good point, made a good observation and it shows that you are thinking critically.In post 224, LuckyOtter wrote: Pedit: Momrangal, I was just about to ask you about this again. I don't understand your reaction to my question in 177. Do you have a read on Dunn?
An observation no one else seemed to really think anything about. Even after I reposted, only one other person had made a comment on it.
Up until this point however, wisdom is featured in many people scum reads and in a few of those people I could also be scum (math,fitz) depending on how things go. I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of reactions to it, but honestly the lack of them also got my brain churning