Micro 808: Kids With Guns - ROLL CREDITS (FIN)

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers
I despise jumbles of letters.

VOTE: 123456789

Not cool.

[PenguinPower]

Why do you think he was being serious at all? I chalked it up to RVS bullshitting.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: N_M

[PenguinPower]

I also have rampage as Town.
Vulcan unsure of

This is where I'm at.

[PenguinPower]

Readz (the z is to appeal to millenials)

NotAJumbleOfNumbers - Meh
Not_Mafia - Cunt
Vulcan Logician - Who?
TheRampage - Who?
FireBringer - Weird
PenguinPower - Town
123456789 - Weird
Blackstar - Weird

Why am I a (your only) town read to you?

[PenguinPower]

One vote is a wagon, Fire?

[PenguinPower]

Cool
Ircher, penguin, rampage are Town

Scum are in JumbleNumbers, Not Mafia, Black Star and Vulcan

I'm good with this.

[PenguinPower]

Maybe we just lynch N_M and celebrate?

At the very least, you all need to get off the vanities and on to Jumble and N_M.

[PenguinPower]

Newbies - welcome to Not_Mafia. L-2 is L-1 when he is not already voting.

However, he was already voting, so it's still L-1.

[PenguinPower]

Votecount is on this page (so not really ruining) and, as I said, there are two newbies here.

[PenguinPower]

Can't be faulted for that, Rampage.

Jumble, you should either find a way to join the conversation or replace out if you cannot. Nothing negative about having to do that.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah, I’m more suited to Mish Mash Forums.

Should officially request the mod to replace you then. Usually done by bolding your request to replace out

Code: Select all

[b]@mod: replace me[/b]

xofelf and Reck run a good area too. Glad you enjoy it.

[PenguinPower]

Holding that thought until I see people's responses to my replace-in.

Oooooh. You replaced in.

Maybe give some thoughts since your slot hasn't really so far.

To start: Why do you town read me/Rampage? What do you think about N-M?

[PenguinPower]

Not_Mafia, get in here and do something

useful

.

Microwave two bowls simultaneously by placing one on a cup

Meets expectations.

[PenguinPower]

I honestly don't know about Penguin, but they tend to be a bit on the lurky/"casual" side of mafia as well as both alignments (I think).

Not even close to true. Don't try to meta read me if you "think."

Only reason I'm not voting you is because I want you to prove your vig claim tonight.

[PenguinPower]

Pedit2: Newbies replace out all the time when the roll scum. Someone go find the Matrix6 stats page by Toomai; I'm pretty sure he documents that there.

46.8% as town; 56.3% as scum.

Do you find that to be statistically significant in this singular situation given the rationale provided?

[PenguinPower]

It's not a meta read because I didn't ascribe alignment to you; it's just an impression read which is slightly different; it is a way of me saying that I think X is how you play the game (without actually knowing.)

Ok. Then we'll go with it's inaccurate, and I'm not sure why you brought it up.

[PenguinPower]

It's NAI here.

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Yes.

That was a fun exchange.

[PenguinPower]

Good vote.

p-edit

Bad.

pp-edit

Explain.

ppp-edit

Bad vote.

[PenguinPower]

Scum replace out more than Town.
Especially noobs

We should probably lynch something smart

~Half a newbs in Matrix6 replaced out; didn't really matter about alignment. Jumble gave a viable reason for replacing out.

Explain to me about S_S scum, because I haven't played with him as scum (i don't think).

[PenguinPower]

I will probably have more words later if we continue this game day.

Then we should probably continue this game day.

~Half a newbs in Matrix6 replaced out; didn't really matter about alignment.

I don’t play newbies cause they are trash but when it’s not in newbie queue the boobs replace out scum at high rate

</3

[PenguinPower]

Pedit: Less than half of newbies replace out in Matrix6:
Town Newbies 38.9% 46.8%
Scum Newbies 43.5% 56.3%
Total Newbies 39.9% 48.9%

First column is slots, second is players. We're talking players.

It also doesn't differentiate whether its a site flake or for other legitimate reasons. This is a useless discussion, and I won't participate in it any further.

Jumble replacing out is NAI.

[PenguinPower]

50%.

jfc

[PenguinPower]

How about we lynch N_M and you shoot whoever between Fire and Smart you think is scum.

[PenguinPower]

Seems about right.

[PenguinPower]

saucy

[PenguinPower]

2) If you absolutely must lynch me, don't take me past L-2 until I can come back and say a few things. (No, I'm not IC or anything, but I have some parting advice for town that I'd rather give on D2 if at all possible).

Anything else you want to say a part from everything else you said after this?

[PenguinPower]

You're at L-2, so go ahead and say it.

Even though N_M is on your wagon I'll hold off putting you at L-1 until you have a chance to.

Well now that we know 123 was scum, we can probably look at interactions to see that I'm not scum. I'm town.

Before you go into it, though, you can explain how your interactions make you town, because I don't see it.

[PenguinPower]

But now consider the possibility that I'm town. That means that D-1 definitely will be a mislynch. Right now in the lynch pool, there are 5 townies, 1 scum. At random, that's a 1/6 chance of hitting scum. Let's wait a day. Then it becomes a 1/5 chance. And we only improve from there.

From a purely logical perspective we can only gain by doing the no lynch first.

The logical perspective is to give scum a smaller chance to hit the IC as a NK, not to reduce the lynch pool.

My main hiccup with the no lynch, is that I have a gut feeling that scum already knows who the IC is, so I'd rather just lynch you today.

You now said that your interactions with 1234 made you look Townie, but when asked to elaborate, you walked it back. You keep saying that you aren't trying to save your own skin, but everything you state is in an effort to do so. You said that before you got to L-2 (which you were already at) to wait because you had stuff that you would rather state tomorrow, but if needed you would state today. When given that chance...it was only that you were just a mislynch. That's hardly something that needed to wait until tomorrow, let alone you being at L-2 today.

VOTE: Vulcan

That's L-1. Someone please hammer.

[PenguinPower]

Fair enough. I didn't think about hiding the IC among the crowd.

wut?

VOTE: no lynch

What do you think a no lynch will accomplish, Smart?

If we want to get to 3p LYLO, which has the fewest scum possibilities, we need to NL at some point. Better to do it now so that scum have the least information about who the IC is (and about people's reads) when they make their free kill.

I agree with with Smart's assessment here. Look at the gamestate. There is no clear obv-town at the moment. We

no lynch

today and then scum take a shot in the dark.

[PenguinPower]

Why are you trying to game the rules?

[PenguinPower]

Letting the mod sort this one out since his ruleset is what it is, but not a fan of what S_S is trying to do.

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

Pending resolution.

[PenguinPower]

Lynching rules should be consistent across all forms, imo. If you go with a majority, it should all be majority. If you go with plurality, it is what it is.

A majority for a lynch, 50% for no lynch, or no majority for no lynch is not an ideal rule. As I said, it is what it is...but the mod didn't even realize it, so I question the intent.

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That said, whatever it is it is. I don't like S_S calling out a rule "infraction" without any other commentary though.

[PenguinPower]

Really? Damn that twilight posting.

[PenguinPower]

oh fucking hell...mod doesn't even have a twilight rule so I can't be snarky about it.

[PenguinPower]

It's different to twilight as the mod has posted a VC that should have ended the day, as far as he's concerned the thread should already be locked and we should be in night

Mod didn't end it though, and ultimately mod has discretion.

*sigh* this is a No lynch.

I'm resigned.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not arguing about whether day should be ended or not, I'm saying I don't think it's scummy that S_S just posted the rule

Mod errors/corrections (outside of V/LA) should usually be handled via PM. Less impact to the game.

[PenguinPower]

Obv. Changes nothing right now. Just a bit miffed.

[PenguinPower]

Not arguing rules, their basis, or what's best. If you took issue with the mod, it should have been done privately.

Thanks.

[PenguinPower]

You corrected the mod on their ruleset publicly. That should have been done privately.

Whatever. We're going into the night.

[PenguinPower]

Can you lock the thread?

[PenguinPower]

Ok...

[PenguinPower]

It is a great additive to assist in making stellar Bang Bang Shrimp.

[PenguinPower]

Missing out, N_M. You're missing out.

[PenguinPower]

Hi, vulcan.

Why don't you want to start with Rampage. He pushed you (and was actually voting you at eod) over a no lynch. So did N_M. Why me over them?

I find you trying to push me based on NAI comments to be pretty bad, so it adds to my scum read on you from yesterday. I'll wait til the rest have a chance to weigh in, but consider my vote on you.

[PenguinPower]

You didn't answer my question.

[PenguinPower]

On the other hand, I don't think he interacted with Penguin hardly at all.

That's not true...

[PenguinPower]

No particular reason other than going after two people at a time is rather cumbersome... now, why don't you answer my question?

Why is N_M super null, and why do you not want to start with Rampage.

Should be easy to answer, and saying "Gotta start somewhere" is not an answer given your previous comments.

[PenguinPower]

A few things also struck me now that I think about it. The pressure was already on me, and you joined in last... but you seemed to want my lynch a little more than the other two. Even after the no lynch was put on the table for examination (the brainchild of smart, who iirc suggested it after my wagon formed). Why did you want to lynch me over the no lynch? It doesn't make sense.

The logical perspective is to give scum a smaller chance to hit the IC as a NK, not to reduce the lynch pool.

My main hiccup with the no lynch, is that I have a gut feeling that scum already knows who the IC is, so I'd rather just lynch you today.

You now said that your interactions with 1234 made you look Townie, but when asked to elaborate, you walked it back. You keep saying that you aren't trying to save your own skin, but everything you state is in an effort to do so. You said that before you got to L-2 (which you were already at) to wait because you had stuff that you would rather state tomorrow, but if needed you would state today. When given that chance...it was only that you were just a mislynch. That's hardly something that needed to wait until tomorrow, let alone you being at L-2 today.

VOTE: Vulcan

That's L-1. Someone please hammer.

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In short: I don't feel anything you say is genuine.

[PenguinPower]

I mean, we had a whole exchange around the replace out nonsense, and then he suicided when I just told him to use his vig...so, yeah. No interaction at all.

Even if you interpret that to mean he didn't interact with me much, why does that make me scum? Distancing?

{vulcan, S_S}

Scum is in here. Strongly leaning vulcan based on yesterday, the night kill, and his posting so far today.

{Rampage, N_M} lock town.

[PenguinPower]

You implied it with your "doubt they are scum...on the other hand" phrasing.

[PenguinPower]

Rampage is town for his posting in the first 4-5 pages of the game. He hasn't really done anything to make me waver on my read from that, and his support for a vulcan lynch gives him townpoints.

Can you expand on your vulcan town read beyond 123456789 interacting with him?

[PenguinPower]

Is that interaction ever scum-scum?

Yes...why could it not be?

Also, vulcan's defeatism and willingness to be lynched at the end of day 1 seems very genuine. Rather than arguing against his lynch, he basically said "If you are gonna lynch me, this is what you should do...", which is a very towny mindset.

I disagree. He had been fighting it quite hard, and when pressed had to walk things back. I myself have used the defeatist tactic to get out of a lynch several times. As I said before, nothing that he has said has really felt genuine.

Also, Penguin, do you not think Rampage would push a mislynch on vulcan if he were scum?

Of course he would, but given my earlier read on him, I had no reason to assume he was scum pushing a mislynch.

So if not Vulcan and not you, then I guess that leaves N_M and Penguin. In my eyes, this is won.

That's a confident complete 180 based on one post that could either be interpreted as either scum or town.

[PenguinPower]

What do you make of Blackstar's untimely demise?

I'd actually like Rampage's answer to this.

[PenguinPower]

ffs

I need to re-read with out blinders I guess.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Vulcan

I thought you had Vulcan at the top of your townreads?

[PenguinPower]

Wait, was that your lynch order?

[PenguinPower]

Don't talk about ongoing games.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not lurking. I was re-reading you because I thought N_M was townreading you, and if everyone was townreading you, then I was obviously missing something.

That isn't the case however, so I need to reassess where I'm at.

[PenguinPower]

Um...I am thinking with my own head, but saying that I shouldn't re-analyze my reads when the situation calls for it is pretty dumb.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah, I am really starting to lean more towards Not Mafia now that he is talking. He is avoiding giving reasons and examples for his reasoning and voting. I feel like he hopped onto Vulcan thinking Penguin would eventually hammer.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

You were on vulcan too. Why would you be worried that I would hammer your scumread?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: vulcan

sticking with my gut.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not going to talk more, so wait 10 days if you want to. No reason to though.

I doubt you're going to get N_M to say much either.

[PenguinPower]

I will say that reading Smart as town solely on his pushing for the No Lynch yesterday is bad. There's scum incentive in that action as well.

[PenguinPower]

That isn't the only reason I read him as town, but it is what it is. Vulcan, before anything goes down, I want to get a set of final reads from you before this gets hammered. I think we should all do that so we know what everyone thinks and sees before we come back

Or, better idea, we could not hammer my strongest townread.

Also happy scumday Penguin

I really don't see how he can be your strongest townread.

And, thanks

[PenguinPower]

That isn't the only reason I read him as town, but it is what it is.

I think we can clear Something_Smart because of his pointing out to the mod that No_Lynch had been reached.

What are the other reasons?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Rampage

Vulcan mechanically can’t go through.

[PenguinPower]

ffs Rampage. I had you as the Ic since day 1 until your post 414 (which is why I though Vulcan was scum since experienced players would have picked up on your tell). You shouldn’t have made that post.

Lynching Vulcan tomorrow when he is still alive.

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Sorry. 417

[PenguinPower]

When has N_M ever asked for a claim? That was more on me than him.

But I think scum you and scum N_M would have picked up on Rampage being IC. It’s why I said I had a gut feel that he would have been killed night 1 and why I hated vulcan’s intro into today.

[PenguinPower]

Probably going to vote N_M today.

[PenguinPower]

Maybe not but...

Vulcan doesn't kill Smart, and leave me alive I think.

[PenguinPower]

Nice job lynching the IC.

Comments like these really make me think you are scum.

[PenguinPower]

Ok...just an ass then.

I think I'm fairly comfortable with N_M as my vote for today.

[PenguinPower]

I go into reasons why.

Please do.

[PenguinPower]

I don't think I've played with scum you before and it's hurting my read here, but based interactions with 123456789 and the fact that I'm still alive, I'm inclined to believe you are scum.

[PenguinPower]

I want to hear from Vulcan on his reasons for you being scum first.

[PenguinPower]

Not only that, you blamed HIM for saying things that would indicate that he is not the IC-- something any good player with the role OUGHT to do.

Normally, yes. But, his interactions with Firebringer in the opening of the game screamed "I'm IC," which is why I'm amazed that Smart and N_M didn't pick up on it. The only thing that made me doubt it was his willingness to get lynched at the end of yesterday.

Don't want to drag this out, and your previous post comes across as genuine. That coupled with everything else I've stated today, I wouldn't be majorly upset if you're scum.

VOTE: N_M

[PenguinPower]

^
agree with that though

[PenguinPower]

Then lynch N_M and we win.

[PenguinPower]

Not scum.

[PenguinPower]

tbf, if I was scum I would troll twilight by saying I'm not scum.

[PenguinPower]

But, I'm not scum.

[PenguinPower]

It's funny what being fully informed does to one's perception on how the game should play out.

[PenguinPower]

Good game everyone.

Sorry for so much suspicion vulcan. I think you just have a playstyle I'm not used to.

[PenguinPower]

Pretty salty at some people from the Dead PT.

I made my post about Vulcan being auto-vote the next day for a specific reason that led me to the conclusion that N_M was scum. The talks about blacklisting/greylisting are bit much tyvm.

Penguin has a brain and is going to put at least some trust in the STRONG TOWNREAD of the townie who died, right?

Right?

If you're brought into the LyLo, you should always re-examine your reads.

[PenguinPower]

Just curious, why did you think N_M was IC over Rampage given Rampage's early D1?

[PenguinPower]

Same for me. I saw Rampage as the IC up until 417. I never would have voted him otherwise.

But you were pushing Rampage prior to then. I'm just wondering what it was.