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[Gustavo]

bold and all caps? how can i ignore that

VOTE: teacher

[Invisibility]

VOTE: teacher
sounds like a good idea

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.03

teacher

(5): Tchill13, BlueBloodedToffee, wavemode, Gustavo, Invisibility

BlueBloodedToffee

(3): Gosrir Elmer Odels, ByronVilla, teacher

Performer

(2): Nosferatu, Garmr

Gustavo

(2): Lefty, Tommy Egan

Garmr

(1): Performer

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-06-25 14:45:00)

Mod Notes:

• Performer V/LA on weekends
• teacher V/LA on weekends

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The voters on the Performer, Gustavo and Garmr wagons should choose between myself and teacher.

Those are the two wagons of choice (hint: choose teacher!) Let's go!

[Gustavo]

btw in the otter v penguin discussion, hands down otters. They are just so damn cute

[Invisibility]

i can't decide

[teacher]

Wow, vote, go to sleep, and wake up the leading wagon. Nice to know I still got it!

Seriously, the only explanation I see is from TChill, and it is criticizing me for expecting reasoning. TBH, I didnt really expect reasoning for BBT's push, but thought it was odd and worth investigating with questions. I was also joining the counterwagon to Lefty to get us out of RVS/Random Wagon stage and onto the point where we could discuss things. Like this:

@Gustavo: You've contributed almost nothing but a train joke, joine4d each wagon as it picks up steam, and pushed for the day to end super-quick. What do you think of the the TChill-BBT interactions? Or more generally the fact that the entire Lefty wagon remains together, now on a new person?

[ByronVilla]

I don't have much else to say on your wagon - but with the current gamestate I am even more inclined to push you now.

There may be something that tells me you're town - but I want to ignore it for now.

It's pretty clear you had something to add to that wagon. If there is extra info you need to say it, and prove that it doesn't hinder your wagon. You can't just ignore that info, that's flat out anti-town. The town need all the info they can get, and even if it's contrarian to what you're saying, you need to prove why your wagon is good and if it should stand, instead of pushing the wagon whilst hiding info that is vital to that exact wagon.

Sidenotes:

Serious vote alert. We have a serious vote.

Shit's about to go down.

This helps no one. Mocking players is just going to annoy them, and it seems to me that you're implying I shouldn't have announced that my vote was serious, which makes absolutely no sense.

The voters on the Performer, Gustavo and Garmr wagons should choose between myself and teacher.

Those are the two wagons of choice (hint: choose teacher!) Let's go!

Don't tell people how to vote. You have no authority over anyone's vote other than your own. Don't act like you do.

(Oh and my name's Byron, not Bryan)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shush Bryan.

[Garmr]

The voters on the Performer, Gustavo and Garmr wagons should choose between myself and teacher.

Those are the two wagons of choice (hint: choose teacher!) Let's go!

Why the day has just begun. Both wagons are kinda flimsy.

Most of teachers post have been fluffy so far, but it's rvs/comming out of rvs so that's to be forgiven. Also a quick look at his games that have finished shows he post not really a fluffy poster as either alignment so going to see what happens. His post 106 is meh but nothing screams scum about it.

BBT is trying to take the lead and steer the game in his ideal way. This is neither town or scummy and the scum reads on him seem like rvs. I see no reason to jump on him.

Also

FOS

on invisibility for being so jumpy..

P:Edit (teacher has arisen)

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

VOTE: BV

107 is a commentary. Provides no information, communicates nothing, asks nothing, leads to nothing. So why make such a long post?

[ByronVilla]

VOTE: BV

107 is a commentary. Provides no information, communicates nothing, asks nothing, leads to nothing. So why make such a long post?

To make a statement. It seemed that BBT was confused as to why my vote was serious, and so I told him exactly why my vote was serious. Him withholding information from the town so he can ignore it. The sidenotes and nothing more/less than what they are, a sidenote. There's nothing wrong with a commentary, as it gets my views out there. That post wasn't made in order to ask questions or provide information (well I'm hoping for BBT to elaborate on his #84 but hey ho), it was more a platform for me to speak my mind on those posts of BBT's.

[ByronVilla]

Essentially you could consider it an elaboration on my #86 if that helps you.

[Gustavo]

@Gustavo: You've contributed almost nothing but a train joke, joine4d each wagon as it picks up steam, and pushed for the day to end super-quick. What do you think of the the TChill-BBT interactions? Or more generally the fact that the entire Lefty wagon remains together, now on a new person?

I haven’t read their interactions yet. Let me do that and I’ll get back to you. I’m not so worried about who’s on the train wagon.

[Gustavo]

I see nothing note worthy in the bbt/tchill interactions. What am I missing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yo Bryan,

If I wanted to hide the information - why would I reveal that I have it? Why wouldn't I just say 'I see no reason that he is town?'

[ByronVilla]

Ok I also wanna join in on this 1 scum 1 town read thing we're doing.

Townread: Lefty - Can really follow the thought process in a lot of his posts, and I like his reaction to BBT's wagon.

Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.

Pedit: Key word: Withholding. You're keeping information that could help the town away from the town, just to strengthen your push on Lefty (which isn't even a thing but still the point stands) I may have said hiding at some point, in that case I apologize as I meant withholding.

[Gustavo]

Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.

Why would scum do this? How do you differentiate scummy vs just being an ass

[wavemode]

wavemode

BlueBloodedToffee

Garmr

Lefty

ByronVilla

Invisibility

Gustavo
Gosrir Elmer Odels
Nosferatu
Performer
Tchill13
Tommy Egan

teacher

[Gustavo]

What was the point of that?

[wavemode]

pundits might posit it was wavemode's routine "here's my reads" post after which he will disappear for several days while the gamestate develops

personally though i think it was just a desperate cry for attention

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I second Gustavo's question.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And again, you would not have known I was 'witholding' informationa had I not stated it openly in a post.

Stop surface level reading and learn to Mafia bro.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wave, can you talk about Byron and Invis being in your town reads please?

[ByronVilla]

And again, you would not have known I was 'witholding' informationa had I not stated it openly in a post.

Stop surface level reading and learn to Mafia bro.

Ok don't OMGUS. I am learning to play this game so let me, being an ass helps no-one. Just because you said 'oh guys I have info on how Lefty's town but I'm ignoring it', it doesn't excuse you from not giving us that information. You're still withholding information whether or not you tell us you have that information.

Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.

Why would scum do this? How do you differentiate scummy vs just being an ass

I mean being an ass is a scumtell for me. I'll admit it's more anti-town than scummy, but I don't see town motivation in being confrontational, avoiding questions and in general just not giving information away. Scum motivation is in this, as it throws off town and blocks the information that they can work with.