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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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I like aggressive players.
What I meant by that comment is I feel like you're quite an emotional player - but your playstyle/posting this game isn't matching that at all (except maybe your push on performer which you have clearly taken exception to).
Even when I naked voted you and antagonized you, you kind of just side-stepped me. I don't think you would do that as town.
PEdit - Nope TChill - I don't think a Lefty wagon is even remotely possible at this point. That's your second hint.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Tchill13 Survivor
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That’s fair TChill. I’ll leave it for now and let others weigh in
Regardless if I’m right or wrong on Gus, there’s still more scum to catch.
P-edit: Nah I’m not determined. His posts have just pinged me since game start and him arguing that his stances are “correct” in a vacuum doesn’t sway me at all. I feel that’s exactly the position scum would take.-
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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Gustavo Mafia Scum
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I don’t really pay attention to naked votes. You wouldn’t tell me your reasons for your other vote so there was no point in asking why you voted me.In post 375, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Even when I naked voted you and antagonized you, you kind of just side-stepped me. I don't think you would do that as town.
I also dropped you down from my town list back to null due to you being antagonistic. I’m surprised you didn’t pick up on that. I don’t feel you’ve been acting townie at all but you haven’t done anything scummy. It’s just you being an asshole. Now earlier you were an asshole to somebody else, but when I try to be polite and engaging you were an asshole to me. That’s not how town should play the game imo.-
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i was thinking that Lefty was accusing Gus of taking easy shots but i'm pretty sure that's not what he was saying?In post 380, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Invis, talk about how Lefty is looking worse from the Gus convo?Invisibility is actually AWESOME!-
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So in a short time I was guy ping. Then you felt worse about lefty, and now you are confused?In post 377, Invisibility wrote:i reread gus vs lefty and now i'm just confused
This progression doesn’t make sense.
How about you verbalize it. Jot your thoughts about what you’ve read between us pointing out what you like and don’t like.-
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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There was talk between Lefty/Gus about going against the grain/targeting easy players and how it makes you town/scum.In post 378, Tchill13 wrote:active lurking would be my second guess? refusal to participate in discussion but will comment when its over.
Then Invis comments and is like 'Oh yeah, Lefty looks bad from that Gus convo' when I don't think a single person (at least not active) is scum reading Lefty.
Was Invis making an attempt to go against the grain to look town?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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It's that he was kind of pushing you & kind of not pushing you at the same time, as I've already said. I feel like if you don't get it, I'm not explaining myself well.In post 287, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
That doesn't really answer my statement regarding your BV read. He still changed the read when pressure subsided.In post 285, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote: I expected an earlier correction. He spent too much time in that awkward position to be scum.
Also, what was awkward about his position?
Here's a RL example what the exchange reminded me of: if you're familiar with partner dancing, you know that the follow's elbows are supposed to only move up & down, but not a lot back & forth. If her shoulders are flimsy, you essentiallylose contact, & life gets infinitely more difficult (for turns as such.) It doesn't really work because in this case BV is supposed to be somehow both the lead & the one with the flimsy shoulders, but it still might communicate the idea better. My point is that if you want to look good, you try to avoid this situation when you're in the spotlight. BV didn't.
2, maybe 3. I feel good about Invisibility. I need to reread the whole Gus vs Lefty exchange because it sort of went over my head.In post 339, Tchill13 wrote:
ACTUALLY anybody is more than welcome to answer this.In post 336, Tchill13 wrote:BBT how many town do you think is in (Byron/invis/lefty)?
how many scum do you think is in (Nosferatu/Teacher/performer/tommy egan)
just numbers are fine.
2? I don't feel like Teacher & Performer would be scumbuddies. Tommy makes me a bit anxious, Nos a lot less so. I didn't really have problems with his post.-
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That’s exactly what he was saying. He even admitted itIn post 383, Invisibility wrote:
i was thinking that Lefty was accusing Gus of taking easy shots but i'm pretty sure that's not what he was saying?In post 380, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Invis, talk about how Lefty is looking worse from the Gus convo?-
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And now the backtrack by himIn post 386, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
There was talk between Lefty/Gus about going against the grain/targeting easy players and how it makes you town/scum.In post 378, Tchill13 wrote:active lurking would be my second guess? refusal to participate in discussion but will comment when its over.
Then Invis comments and is like 'Oh yeah, Lefty looks bad from that Gus convo' when I don't think a single person (at least not active) is scum reading Lefty.
Was Invis making an attempt to go against the grain to look town?-
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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as i've said, i'm having trouble comprehending thingsIn post 388, Gustavo wrote:
That’s exactly what he was saying. He even admitted itIn post 383, Invisibility wrote:
i was thinking that Lefty was accusing Gus of taking easy shots but i'm pretty sure that's not what he was saying?In post 380, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Invis, talk about how Lefty is looking worse from the Gus convo?Invisibility is actually AWESOME!-
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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GEO - you don't think scum do what BV did? Kind of push someone but not push them enough so they are in the spotlight upon the flip?
For example, let's just say that the BV push had picked up steam but it was someone else who used BVs post as the catalyst to push me. They continue to push me and lynch me and thus the spotlight falls on the person who drove the wagon to lynch - not the person who planted the seed.
There is a proverb for this I'm sure but can't think of it to save my life.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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yes but what you're still not seeing is that his play and rhetoric does not at all line up with this objective, as I've explained repeatedlyIn post 392, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:you don't think scum do what BV did? Kind of push someone but not push them enough so they are in the spotlight upon the flip?
let me get caught up hereretired...?-
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@BBT: Yeah, I'd even said that that was why I originally voted him. Scum wants to do what you described, you're absolutely right. But it couldn't have worked after there was already a wagon on BV. He was already in the spotlight, & he stayed there. That's my point. I think scum!BV would've broken off or began a real push against you asap. That didn't happen.
I mean, the scenario you're talking about works when scum isn't the creepy guy around the mislynch wagon, right? So why would scum continue the same strategy when they're already the creepy guy around the wagon?-
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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Let's say BV had got the better of the BV vs BBT discussion -is he still the creepy guy on the wagon?
Or is he only the creepy guy on the wagon because I exposed his push as being what it was - awful.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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@BBT: I don't think I understand the question.
Here's how I see it: BV did this scummy thing pushing your wagon, the thing you described in 392. He gets called out for it. So the plan is futsch at that point because we're all paying attention to him. Yet he keeps on doing the same thing for about two more pages in the same manner. That last part is what I think is town. Scum would've made an explicit push (maybe on you, maybe on someone else) or made some excuse to backdown or something. Anything is better & more natural to scum than what BV did.-
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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Did he not double down on the push by continuing to push it over the next page or two?
You're arguing that he didn't continue the push and did continue the push at the same time. They can't both be true.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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What I'm saying is if the push on me had been successful would he still be the creepy guy on the wagon or would you have had a different perception of him?In post 397, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:@BBT: I don't think I understand the question.
I'm saying he is only seen as the creepy on the wagon because I exposed his push as being bad.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
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