Newbie 1874 - Game over

[Draynth]

vote:fchariot

Why is fchariot scum?

[UnaBombaH]

Was this seriously saying I'm scum or partly RVS?
If not serious who is actually scum?
If serious why am I scum?

I thought you as a more experienced player on this site would handle the pressure better than a newbie might.
No idea who is scum yet, but I think my latest post includes the three slots that should be pressured for now.
Not serious in the sense that I would have reasoning yet..obviously.

[UnaBombaH]

UNVOTE: Lefty
(was RVS)

...and apparently you should be included in the "slots to be pressured" now..
I expect you to keep your vote somewhere at all times in this state of the game..
Only reason to simply unvote here, is if someone was at a speedy L-1, and you want to avoid accidental hammers.

[Draynth]

UNVOTE: Lefty
(was RVS)

...and apparently you should be included in the "slots to be pressured" now..
I expect you to keep your vote somewhere at all times in this state of the game..
Only reason to simply unvote here, is if someone was at a speedy L-1, and you want to avoid accidental hammers.

It's a pointless vote that I have no reason or desire to push
I disagree with having your vote somewhere at all times, it loses it's meaning and emphasis for when it's actually a valuable tool

[UnaBombaH]

I disagree with having your vote somewhere at all times, it loses it's meaning and emphasis for when it's actually a valuable tool

Like I said, at this specific moment, I believe we need to have our votes fielded all the time.
But I guess we can agree to disagree on that then.

[KernelRunaway]

Thanks for the responses on nolynch. Wasn't suggesting, was just curious. Game seems a bit sluggish.

Do have some reads to present as promised, would like to see something from Iconium or their replacement as well.

[FChariot]

@FChariot

- why did you unvote Lefty?

Just thought Lefty was more townlike

[stan1ey]

i think Draynth is town. also i will be more active from now onwards ive been away from home but im going home later tonight

[OnlyIAmMe]

I voted fchariot because of their bw on lefty, and then their previous posts. I'm not unvoting just because they seem new. Fchariot, do you play tos ranked? Why do you think wagonning in tos helps town?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Would some consider what I am doing active lurking? Sometimes I feel i don't post enough, but it's pretty hard to comment on things. I was never a good scumhunter.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I don't know what to make of UnaBombaH. I've only played with them as a SE. I have to reread the game we played together when I get time. I'll post it here when i get time.

[OnlyIAmMe]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76009, Newbie 1865. We were both VT.

[Lefty]

@FChariot

- why did you unvote Lefty?

@Ircher

- what made you think the post you quoted is scummy?

@Lefty

- your vote towards me included a "choo choo", implying you did it for the sake of wagoning.
Was that your biggest motivation?
Do you think there's any merit in pointing out that first you and Ircher were both on FC, and now on me?

Pressure/content generation. The FC wagon was crawling and not many were talking about, so a new direction could be productive. Additionally what I pointed out earlier could be something that I wanna delve into.

Sure, there’s merit to pointing out anything you think is worth while. What do you make of us both voting together on two different wagons?

[stan1ey]

What do you make of us both voting together on two different wagons?

what is this referring to?

[Lefty]

To me and Ircher both voting FChariot and now UnaBombaH.

Una asked if I thought it was worth mentioning, so I’m asking what he thinks of it since he brought it up.

[stan1ey]

right i see. thats NAI this early in day 1. @UnaBombaH why did you bring that up?

[Ircher]

1. In 116:

Are there any benefits to a nolynch on D1?

Not in a newbie game.

The main reason to no lynch in any normalish game of mafia (i.e.: no super wacky mechanics) is to bring the game to odds (i.e.: odd number of players) in the day, especially when it is known there is no vigilante or other role that will cause the number of players to become odd from even over the night. Furthermore, no lynch is only done on evens if there is no confirmed innocent alive; it is pointless to no lynch if there is a confirmed innocent alive because said innocent will be killed by the mafia over night. This leads to basically the same game state, but one no longer has the confirmed innocent's opinion. (Basically, from an EV/probability standpoint, town's chances of winning increase significantly when there are an odd number of players alive during the day.)

2. In 118:

You haven’t commented on it either way but you voted Draynth as a kickstarter and then ask for people just to vote someone, anyone. So you haven’t stood against it directly but you’ve twice promoted activity in a different direction. I felt it was worth pointing out.

(I agree with this statement.)

3. In 120:

I do want everyone to vote someone, or the other way around, ANYONE.
That is the foundation on which we can build this game - we need to force people to vote, have interactions, push or defend others.
What you are doing towards me is a good start, but we need others to chime in on these actions as well.

I still think you are side-stepping the question being raised; while you haven't explicitly stated you are against the FChariot wagon, you are heavily implying it by 1) voting Draynth 2) ignoring the FChariot wagon and 3) Asking everyone to vote someone, but once again, you pursue your lone read on Draynth rather than engaging the people who were voting FChariot.

Why do your actions suggest that you are against the FChariot wagon?

4. In 123:

@Ircher - what made you think the post you quoted is scummy?

It's not the best of reasons (at all), but it basically boils down to I think you are focused more on

looking town

versus being town and scumhunting. My vote goes further than that one post; your behavior this game has been strange to say the least, and my primary concern with you is the way you were acting (and are kinda continuing to act) around the FChariot wagon (though the wagon kinda disappeared).

5. In 126:

No idea who is scum yet, but I think my latest post includes the three slots that should be pressured for now.

(Referring to 123): This statement pings me. When you say that Lefty, FChariot, and me should be pressured right now, do you mean that you think we may be scum, and you are looking into that possibility, or are you saying that you wish to have a discussion about our reads and thoughts on the game state? Because if you mean the latter, I think you are misusing the term "pressure" (though I will admit it is not formally well-defined) as to me, pressuring someone generally means you think someone has a higher probability than most people to be scum, but you do not have enough evidence at the moment to back up said opinion, so you pressure them to get more information and evidence and to see if your conjecture (as I will call it) is correct.

6. In 127:

...and apparently you should be included in the "slots to be pressured" now..
I expect you to keep your vote somewhere at all times in this state of the game..

(In response to 124): It is by no means inherently scummy to unvote, and I don't see why it is an issue for town to unvote when they feel their original read was wrong but are not sure of a better place for their vote. Now, obviously, I expect for Draynth to vote someone else soonish, but I don't see anything wrong or scummy about Draynth unvoting for the time being.

7. In 134:

Would some consider what I am doing active lurking? Sometimes I feel i don't post enough, but it's pretty hard to comment on things. I was never a good scumhunter.

It is really hard to say at the moment. To an extent, I think we could say that you are active lurking, but whether said statement really means anything at the current stage is unlikely. (I.e.: The fact that you

may

be active lurking is more or less meaningless right now.)

For now, I think I still really like my vote on UnaBombaH. (I am mainly reiterating this so that everyone else realizes this is a fairly serious and somewhat substantial vote compared to some other votes that have been made this game.)

[Lefty]

Gonna slot Ircher as a TR

[Huntress]

I'm looking for a replacement for Iconeum. If he posts before I find someone he can keep the spot.

[UnaBombaH]

Gonna slot Ircher as a TR

Doesn't ease my feelings towards you at all.
High potential for scum!Lefty now.

VOTE: Lefty

[UnaBombaH]

What do you make of us both voting together on two different wagons?

Just wanted to point it out.
Sometimes it helps others later when we try to check for voting patterns and wagons.
Sometimes it stops a trend before it gets out of hand.
I have a few ideas myself.

It's obviously too early to tell what your intentions actually are/were, but I can outline a few simple scenarios.

1. You are scum, trying to please Ircher. Pocketing/sheeping are some of the terms we use on this site, and your actions so far fit both bills to an extent.

2. You are scum/town, and your actions are NAI, (not alignment-indicative), but they are a tell that you are new, and afraid to make your own decisions.

3. You are both scum with Ircher, and aim to play with minimal distance. Meaning that you vote the same slots, and react on things at similar paces.
People on this site often assume that scum always play so that they aren't "obvious partners", and thus forget that sometimes being openly on the same page means that the scumteam is coordinating their moves on purpose.

Remember that the scumteam has a private topic where they can discuss during day and night without the rest of us knowing.

[UnaBombaH]

right i see. thats NAI this early in day 1. @UnaBombaH why did you bring that up?

How can you be so confident in saying that it's NAI?
Don't you think it depends on the player voting/being voted too?

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.5

UnaBombaH (2) - Ircher, Lefty
FChariot (1) - OnlyIAmMe
Draynth (1) - KernelRunaway
OnlyIAmMe (1) - stan1ey
Iconeum (1) - FChariot
Lefty (1) - UnaBombaH

Not voting (2) - Draynth, Iconeum


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Saturday, 23rd June, 9.30 am BST, (in (expired on 2018-06-23 09:30:00)).

JUST A REMINDER:

10. ... Also, please ensure that any colours you use show up clearly in both the MafSilver and MafBlack themes.

The colour used in post 29 cannot be easily read with the MafSilver theme.

This also applies to post 119.

[UnaBombaH]

Why do your actions suggest that you are against the FChariot wagon?

I don't think my actions should ever suggest such a thing!

I think you are reading too much into my actions, or at least interpreting them falsely.
I obviously appreciate people trying to generate/force content as it helps us all in the long run, but you and Lefty seem to have been on the same wavelength from the get go.
And since I know your interpretation is flawed, it obviously comes across poorly..

[UnaBombaH]

JUST A REMINDER:

10. ... Also, please ensure that any colours you use show up clearly in both the MafSilver and MafBlack themes.

The colour used in post 29 cannot be easily read with the MafSilver theme.

This also applies to post 119.

Sorry, this was obviously not intentional! I must have missed your previous post regarding this..
I hope this color is a better fit.
Although it seems like this lot doesn't require much handholding - our SEs seem to be actively answering questions too!