Minuet's Trio [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

She followed up on this and scumread Dunn though.

not really, but i suppose you could argue she did

[Nancy Drew 39]

Anyway I think for a townie the natural reaction to getting suddenly wagoned like that is to assume there's scum on their wagon and you're already working on finding said scum, so maybe im wrong here.
UNVOTE:

Well in Necro, there wound up being two wolves on my wagon, both of them were just sheeping and one of them in particular didn’t even bother giving a reason for it. That’s one of the reasons I excluded Moment as a possibility because if there’s a wolf on my wagon, it’s likely to be someone who is sheeping and probably opportunistic.
Wolves don’t usually push d1 wagons, due to the much greater chance to mislynch.

[Brian Skies]

She followed up on this and scumread Dunn though.

not really, but i suppose you could argue she did

Oh, you're right.

Still don't really have an issue with that in particular, and like Ginngie said, she could still be working through it?

[zMuffinMan]

I hate mislynches, so I would rather sort someone like her out. That’s why I didn’t include in her in the most likely list of possible wolves on my wagon because I have no doubt that the scum vote(s) on me is most likely an opportunistic vote.

i don't really think this makes sense, either

she has to sort out all three of the people she listed anyway, so the first sentence isn't a good reason

the second sentence might explain it if she thought like that, but it just seems like an assertion based on nothing

[zMuffinMan]

i have an innate bias against people who use words like opportunistic to describe votes, so take things i say with a grain of salt i suppose

[Ginngie]

i have an innate bias against people who use words like opportunistic to describe votes, so take things i say with a grain of salt i suppose

I was actually caught as scum before cuz I did just that >_>

this game requires reading

and i'm like tired but awake

We need to make an app that reads posts for us so I can just audio the thread while I go to sleep lmao

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think at least one of Dunn, Nos, Kat is possibly a wolf

the language here is interesting

How so?

"possibly" is a weak word
especially when combined with "at least"

(ignoring any other issues i might have with that statement, such as why she didn't include kaede or why she picked three names and made no conclusion about which one she thought was most likely or anything)

Possibly is a weak word and for good reason because I don’t like to use strong words unless I’m sure. I did feel more strongly that Brian, Moment or Kaede weren’t likely to be them and Kaede has already validated my reason for excluding her because her vote on me was a reaction test not opportunistic.

I was the most sus on Dunn because he had been aggressively scumreading others. What I am trying to reconcile is his “don’t overestimate us” comment with his vote still being on me. Why? With that statement he is clearly expressing doubt about his vote so him leaving it on me, would clearly be a contradiction.

[zMuffinMan]

I wouldn't call it fence sitting because that is a pool of suspects that nancy is interested in.

it's not fence-sitting - fence-sitting would be someone who's unable to decide (e.g. someone weighing up the pros and cons of something but being unable to decide which is more likely)

what she did is just a lack of commitment

[zMuffinMan]

Anyway I think for a townie the natural reaction to getting suddenly wagoned like that is to assume there's scum on their wagon and you're already working on finding said scum, so maybe im wrong here

heh

[Brian Skies]

such as why she didn't include kaede or why she picked three names and made no conclusion about which one she thought was most likely or anything

Looking at the votes on me, I dislike Dunnstral’s ISO the most.

I think at least one of Dunn, Nos, Kat is possibly a wolf.

Dunn’s ISO seems to be full of weird posts, like demanding Grape self-vote (trying to hard to look town), Insisting, rather than speculating that Mastina’s claim has to be fake and aggressively pushing Wisdom lynch. All of this before opportunistically sheeping onto my wagon.

[zMuffinMan]

Do you think I’m incorrect about this and that my wagon is 100% town? Because that would definitely be a first

a. no, this would not be "a first" (maybe for you, but a 6-person all-town wagon with 17 alive in a 14:3 game isn't so rare that you should be amazed that it could happen)
b. no, i don't think that. i don't currently think the three people you listed are likely to be scum, but i also don't think your wagon is (was) all town (regardless of your alignment)

@brian,

like i said, arguably you could call that a scum read, but i don't really think it is

what do you think of post #363 (both in the context of what you just said and just as a general post)?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I hate mislynches, so I would rather sort someone like her out. That’s why I didn’t include in her in the most likely list of possible wolves on my wagon because I have no doubt that the scum vote(s) on me is most likely an opportunistic vote.

i don't really think this makes sense, either

she has to sort out all three of the people she listed anyway, so the first sentence isn't a good reason

the second sentence might explain it if she thought like that, but it just seems like an assertion based on nothing

How does this not make sense? I gave one reason for whom I excluded, Yes it doesn’t specifically relate to the 3 votes I was most sus about other than the fact I wasn’t scumreading her before her vote on me, so it would make no sense to suddenly scumread her solely based on that.

That second comment of yours is, no offense but ludicrous. Scum votes are very frequently opportunistic votes. Are you seriously asserting that scum votes aren’t ususually opportunistic votes? This comment is either illogical or sus because it makes absolutely no sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i have an innate bias against people who use words like opportunistic to describe votes, so take things i say with a grain of salt i suppose

Do we have a possible misunderstanding based on semantics? Because “opportunistic” is exactly the correct word to describe the two scum votes on me in Necro.

Both wolves were knowingly jumping on a bad wagon in order to have a mislynch. That is the very epitome of opportunistic!

[zMuffinMan]

Are you seriously asserting that scum votes aren’t usually opportunistic votes?

yes (but i can't be sure you're using the same definition of "opportunistic" as i am so this seems like a pointless discussion). though it depends on the player and the context of any given vote in any given game, i suppose

i have an aversion to words like "opportunistic" because they can be used to describe _anything_ with the right spin. it's a vague umbrella word and bad for communication that requires specificity

[Nancy Drew 39]

i have an innate bias against people who use words like opportunistic to describe votes, so take things i say with a grain of salt i suppose

Do we have a possible misunderstanding based on semantics? Because “opportunistic” is exactly the correct word to describe the two scum votes on me in Necro.

Both wolves were knowingly jumping on a bad wagon in order to have a mislynch. That is the very epitome of opportunistic!

Alright, I can see that. I have seen wolves misuse that word, so fair enough.

[Brian Skies]

Do you think I’m incorrect about this and that my wagon is 100% town? Because that would definitely be a first

what do you think of post #363 (both in the context of what you just said and just as a general post)?

assuming town is smart enough to not mislynch me

Don't overestimate us

If you truly believe this then why is your vote still on me? Maybe you aren’t the wolf on my wagon? But why would you be so quick to vote me then?

It's a very confusing post.

However, if I break it down, I assume what Dunn intends to mean is that if Nancy is indeed town, that he doesn't really think town should be expected to realize that she could be a bad lynch and not mislynch her.

Her immediate reaction seems fine, as she questions the sentiment, especially if Nancy thinks Dunn admitted to thinking she's mislynch bait. The third question follows up on her suspicion. The big issue I have is the second question, because it has this weird conflict where she considers him to be town, and I don't know why it's there.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you seriously asserting that scum votes aren’t usually opportunistic votes?

yes (but i can't be sure you're using the same definition of "opportunistic" as i am so this seems like a pointless discussion). though it depends on the player and the context of any given vote in any given game, i suppose

i have an aversion to words like "opportunistic" because they can be used to describe _anything_ with the right spin. it's a vague umbrella word and bad for communication that requires specificity

I mean that scum is obviously not voting for genuine pro-town reasons. That is specifically what I meant by “opportunistic”.

[Brian Skies]

It's also possible that the last two questions in 363 are actually supposed to be one train of thought, and it would make sense to me that way.

[zMuffinMan]

the first question i'm mostly ignoring (because dunn's post was clearly a joke and she seems to be misinterpreting it). the second question is the bad one, yes. the third question is bad in the context of the second (IMO). the first question is bad in the context of the second as well

[zMuffinMan]

i don't particularly feel like breaking this down into very minor details and explaining specifically what i don't like, so i will just float this out there and you can say whether you see why i might think this:

i currently think the most likely scum team is nancy-kaede-ginngie

subject to change on a whim if i feel like it

[Dunnstral]

he had been aggressively scumreading others

Once again, this didn't happen

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you think I’m incorrect about this and that my wagon is 100% town? Because that would definitely be a first

what do you think of post #363 (both in the context of what you just said and just as a general post)?

assuming town is smart enough to not mislynch me

Don't overestimate us

If you truly believe this then why is your vote still on me? Maybe you aren’t the wolf on my wagon? But why would you be so quick to vote me then?

It's a very confusing post.

However, if I break it down, I assume what Dunn intends to mean is that if Nancy is indeed town, that he doesn't really think town should be expected to realize that she could be a bad lynch and not mislynch her.

Her immediate reaction seems fine, as she questions the sentiment, especially if Nancy thinks Dunn admitted to thinking she's mislynch bait. The third question follows up on her suspicion. The big issue I have is the second question, because it has this weird conflict where she considers him to be town, and I don't know why it's there.

If by his statement he is actually doubting his vote, was my initial interpretation of his comment. I didn’t think of the way you interpreted it but in either case, his comment doesn’t look good on him if he doesn’t remove his vote. It seems like it could possibly viewed as possible fallback for when he anticipates me flipping town. You OTOH, did not do that. You see my point here? I think I may be right. You are questioning, which I expect town to do, where as he already seems to be anticipating my flip and how to spin it, if your interpretation of his post is the correct one. I suppose I could be reaching here but I thought it was a strange comment to make because he was addressing me like he knew I was town.

@Dunnstral which is it? Are you doubting your vote on me or is it a fallback because you already know what my flip will be?

[Nancy Drew 39]

the first question i'm mostly ignoring (because dunn's post was clearly a joke and she seems to be misinterpreting it). the second question is the bad one, yes. the third question is bad in the context of the second (IMO). the first question is bad in the context of the second as well

I really don’t think I am misinterpreting it. He would not have made that post if he was 100% confident of his vote. Even if it was a “joke”, it clearly read to me that he read me as town. Why even make such a statement in that specific context otherwise? Why are you not even considering this?

[Brian Skies]

i don't particularly feel like breaking this down into very minor details and explaining specifically what i don't like, so i will just float this out there and you can say whether you see why i might think this:

i currently think the most likely scum team is nancy-kaede-ginngie

subject to change on a whim if i feel like it

I'm okay with these reads.

My lynchpool is currently <Dunn, Hebi, Kaede, Nancy> with Ginn as a 'meh' read. Hebi I still think is an easy target. I do think Ginn's reaction to Moment is a little overblown.

Spoiler: Actual List of Reads That I'm Still Working On

My Hydra Partner
zMuffinMan

Town
Purrcocet
Human Sequencer
grapes
Nosferatu
Kokichi Oma
andriod18

Looks Town But I'm Super Unsure
Moment

Not Getting Lynched Today
mastina

Meh
Katsuki
Wisdom
Ginngie

Desired Lynches
Dunnstral
Kaede Akamatsu
hebichan
Nancy Drew 39

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Dunnstral