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[Tommy Egan]

On mobile so will respond to Nos when I'm back on laptop.

@tchill if invis/Byron are mislynch bait then surely they are in criteria as your d1/2/3 lynches as they would be a liability to town?

*cough*Tchill*cough*

[Tommy Egan]

@Nos as obliged. As I said BV is more an info lynch with a possibility of flipping scum to. There's also a reason that BV is a compromise lynch for me and not one of my main targets but anyway.

There may be something that tells me you're town - but I want to ignore it for now.

OK now my vote is serious.

I see no reason for town to make this post without any questions or outlining reasons other than the quote itself.

And again, you would not have known I was 'witholding' informationa had I not stated it openly in a post.

Stop surface level reading and learn to Mafia bro.

Ok don't OMGUS. I am learning to play this game so let me, being an ass helps no-one. Just because you said 'oh guys I have info on how Lefty's town but I'm ignoring it', it doesn't excuse you from not giving us that information. You're still withholding information whether or not you tell us you have that information.

Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.

Why would scum do this? How do you differentiate scummy vs just being an ass

I mean being an ass is a scumtell for me. I'll admit it's more anti-town than scummy, but I don't see town motivation in being confrontational, avoiding questions and in general just not giving information away. Scum motivation is in this, as it throws off town and blocks the information that they can work with.

Again gets a bit too edgy, I don't see town hitting out with the defence of leave me alone i'm learning, I mean the fact he's in the normal queue and not the newbie leaves him in a situation of sink or swim and he obviously believed in himself enough to sign up to games outwith the newbie queue.

Byron, why the change?

Has your read on me changed or is the read on Invis stronger?

My read on you has changed slightly, you're still an ass but scum wouldn't want to be an ass for the most part so you're like a slight scum lean now. (Ay you wanna answer that question still?)

Invis I just feel off about. Feels like they've just bounced around wagons with no real solid reads. Invis, can you give us a readlist if possible (Ideally with reasonings)? You keep saying so-and-so are town/scum but with no real explanation behind each read. Feels like a weirdly safe way of playing that I'm not a fan of.

This is either town that has taken advice of others and used it wisely or scum that has backed down from a losing battle and i'm not quite sure which.

[ByronVilla]

There may be something that tells me you're town - but I want to ignore it for now.

OK now my vote is serious.

I see no reason for town to make this post without any questions or outlining reasons other than the quote itself.

I was at college at this point. I elaborated in 107 when I got home, but it was that specific post that pinged me about BBT.

And again, you would not have known I was 'witholding' informationa had I not stated it openly in a post.

Stop surface level reading and learn to Mafia bro.

Ok don't OMGUS. I am learning to play this game so let me, being an ass helps no-one. Just because you said 'oh guys I have info on how Lefty's town but I'm ignoring it', it doesn't excuse you from not giving us that information. You're still withholding information whether or not you tell us you have that information.

Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.

Why would scum do this? How do you differentiate scummy vs just being an ass

I mean being an ass is a scumtell for me. I'll admit it's more anti-town than scummy, but I don't see town motivation in being confrontational, avoiding questions and in general just not giving information away. Scum motivation is in this, as it throws off town and blocks the information that they can work with.

Again gets a bit too edgy, I don't see town hitting out with the defence of leave me alone i'm learning, I mean the fact he's in the normal queue and not the newbie leaves him in a situation of sink or swim and he obviously believed in himself enough to sign up to games outwith the newbie queue.

I don't think I qualify for newbie queue, I've played two games as newbie and three games out of newbie so I don't think I can join another newbie game

Byron, why the change?

Has your read on me changed or is the read on Invis stronger?

My read on you has changed slightly, you're still an ass but scum wouldn't want to be an ass for the most part so you're like a slight scum lean now. (Ay you wanna answer that question still?)

Invis I just feel off about. Feels like they've just bounced around wagons with no real solid reads. Invis, can you give us a readlist if possible (Ideally with reasonings)? You keep saying so-and-so are town/scum but with no real explanation behind each read. Feels like a weirdly safe way of playing that I'm not a fan of.

This is either town that has taken advice of others and used it wisely or scum that has backed down from a losing battle and i'm not quite sure which.

I mean of course I'm gonna say the former but yeah I'm trying to play at least a bit more measured after my pretty ridiculous play in the me vs BBT squabble.

[Gustavo]

Something real fishy is going on and if anybody wants to flash wagon Byron or Gus I'm absolutely 100% interested in doing that.

Please do. Because nobody wants to lynch my scum reads and if invisibility gets lynched and flips town I’m done with this game.

[Nosferatu]

I was at college at this point.

Are you outside of the US? I assumed that we were the same age.

[Nosferatu]

I was under the impression that

how did i accidentally type assumed

[Tchill13]

On mobile so will respond to Nos when I'm back on laptop.

@tchill if invis/Byron are mislynch bait then surely they are in criteria as your d1/2/3 lynches as they would be a liability to town?

*cough*Tchill*cough*

invis and byron will never be NK'd so yes you are correct.

[Tchill13]

Something real fishy is going on and if anybody wants to flash wagon Byron or Gus I'm absolutely 100% interested in doing that.

Please do. Because nobody wants to lynch my scum reads and if invisibility gets lynched and flips town I’m done with this game.

oh please. Quite the melodramatic outlook.

[Garmr]

I think invisibility should be lynched. Ascetic should claim at start as to not waste towns power roles. It makes me think it's a fake claim.
His early game was incredibly scummy; His votes were jumpy and he picked every big wagon. He jumped on byronvilla because of he misunderstood the reaction from the masses and thought he could push that lynch.

He then votes geo when asked by BBT what his thoughts are. I would think he would of gone back to voting him earlier as town since he was a earlier scum read.

His latter plays seem null but they don't really match a natural progression of scum hunting. They seem to be adapting to what he think towns wants.



Also just throwing this out I think Tommy Egan is town

[Invisibility]

oh i actually didn't know that

[Tchill13]

I think garmr is town.

Guess who has the most to gain from not lynching invisibility whether he's town or scum?

Scum.

[Invisibility]

what an unexpected response! way to keep us on our toes, tchill

[Tchill13]

Yeah push that I'm tunneling.

This is a reasonable push. It makes the most sense and nothing else comes even close to making more sense.

[Invisibility]

hey dude can i make a joke thanks

[Tchill13]

Why as town would I want you in the game more than teacher/performer/gosrir/Byron if you were town?

And after that

Why should I have reason to believe that you're more likely to be town than any of them?

[Tchill13]

hey dude can i make a joke thanks

I mean your d1 play is a joke so I guess you can.

All jokes aside you need to be dead.

[Invisibility]

tchill, are you townreading garmr because he's scumreading me?

[Garmr]

Benefits/negatives for lynching town invisibility for scum.

+Mislynch
- You lose a wifom machine that should be sorted
-Town might hit you the wifom machince with a power role to sort him.
-Will eventually have to be lynched anyway becuase he needs sorting.

Benefits/negatives for lynching town invisibility for town.

-mislynch and all that entails a shorter day less town presence.
+Less wifom
+Won't screw town over latter on if he continues to divide the player base.
+Confirms his slot
-lose chance at lynching scum day one

Benefits/negatives for lynching scum invisibility for scum.

-lose a scum team member
-Less control over the town because you have one less vote.
-Extra day you have to play to win
-information on scum team leaked
-possible loss of power role for scum deepening on what invisibility landed on.
+maybe some town town cred

Benefits/negatives for lynching scum invisibility for town

+get rid of scum
+get potential information scum team set up
+extra day to work with
+Scum are pressured

Benefits/negatives for keeping town invisibility for scum.

+Create wifom
+possibly get another lynch on town
+causes divide amongst players arguing over lynching him or not.
-keeps a town player alive
- may have a scum lynch instead

Benefits/negatives for keeping town invisibility for town.

+stop a mislynch
-cause wifom
-may lynch another townie or a power role which would help out.
-May screw over town on a latter date.

Benefits/negatives for keeping scum invisibility for scum.

+Save a scum team member
+can let him do all the kills so you don't risk your other team mates
+keep wifom going
+More days his alive the more days you have a extra vote against town.

Benefits/negatives for keeping scum invisibility for town.

-No benefits only negatives



So while town has a lot to think about. Scum are more likely to jump off the lynch as the benefits out weigh the negatives.

[Garmr]

Benefits/negatives for lynching town invisibility for scum.
+Mislynch
- You lose a wifom machine that should be sorted

-Town might hit you with a power role instead of the wifom machine because they want to see if his lying.

Fixed

[Lefty]

What’s the VC?

[Tchill13]

I think invisibility should be lynched. Ascetic should claim at start as to not waste towns power roles. It makes me think it's a fake claim.
His early game was incredibly scummy; His votes were jumpy and he picked every big wagon. He jumped on byronvilla because of he misunderstood the reaction from the masses and thought he could push that lynch.

He then votes geo when asked by BBT what his thoughts are. I would think he would of gone back to voting him earlier as town since he was a earlier scum read.

His latter plays seem null but they don't really match a natural progression of scum hunting. They seem to be adapting to what he think towns wants.



Also just throwing this out I think Tommy Egan is town

tchill, are you townreading garmr because he's scumreading me?

nothing in garmr's post is wrong which is why im TRing him.

[ByronVilla]

I was at college at this point.

Are you outside of the US? I assumed that we were the same age.

College in the UK is 16-18 y/o

[wilky]

tchill, are you townreading garmr because he's scumreading me?

Are you scumreading Garmr? He's been the tiniest player all game.

[Garmr]

tchill, are you townreading garmr because he's scumreading me?

Are you scumreading Garmr? He's been the tiniest player all game.

Tiniest player??? What do you mean by that?

[Tommy Egan]

tchill, are you townreading garmr because he's scumreading me?

Are you scumreading Garmr? He's been the tiniest player all game.

Alt not so hidden anymore

Towniest not tiniest