Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[OnTheMark]

Rescinding my ascetic on LLD btw.

[OnTheMark]

Loverize Muffin and Nahdia plz.

95% last scum is in the two of them.

No no no absolutely not.

I will asceticize one of them if that is done.

[OnTheMark]

how viable is a nahdia+LLD team?

It isn’t :/

[OnTheMark]

if mastina is giving a free pass to nico with a fake mason claim, i will be disappointed

....They aren’t.

Mastina would not allow that after earlier.

If she is we are having a long talk post game.

Scum are most likely in mathdino muffin and Pine

[OnTheMark]

i think you have the accuracy of a drunk monkey shooting a gun with its feet

+1, at least in this game.

If the drunk monkey shooting a gun with its feet hits the bullseye twice who cares?

[OnTheMark]

probably everyone around the drunk monkey when it's ready to take it's next shot and wildly swinging the gun away from the bullseye

Now you’re just being pedantic and sarcastic and wrong.

If I have hit both scum there is no third shot.
There is no rule that says the bullet has to go in a straight line.

And I am sober. So like this is just spam meant to clutter the thread.

[OnTheMark]

Hell loverize me and muffin or me and Dino or me and Pine.

Gets rid of neg util

And you have a 2/3rds shot of hitting scum.

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: Lovebird

Bad vote

[OnTheMark]

ok

so cheeky wasn't scum with kokichi - that i'm pretty sure about. the posts i've read from mathdino haven't bothered me either. pretty sure he's town

pine is also town, unless you think he's suicidal (and he's pretty likely to be lynched today via not_mafia anyway). he's also town via kokichi

mastina is probably town and giving nico a free pass so i'm ignoring that

kokichi probably wasn't scum with wisdom, so i'm putting OTM aside (despite his reads being virtually the opposite of my own)

which leaves LLD, lovebird, nahdia, not_mafia

i'm willing to leave LLD alone for today because of whatever she's hinting at with her role, even though i think there's a decent chance she might actually be scum. i figure that can be dealt with tomorrow

nahdia and lovebird are not scum together (probably). lovebird and not_mafia are not scum together (probably). LLD and not_mafia are not scum together (probably)

this is basically where i'm at right now

and i'm starting to get cold feet about lynching not_mafia because the only really viable team i see is nahdia+not_mafia (unless i'm wrong about someone else) and i'm not sure this is all that likely atm

Ya think. That someone like her. Would give someone like me. A free pass.

There is so many things wrong with that statement that I can't even begin to count them.....

It’s because muffin is cornered scum.

Flash wagon muffin anyone?

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: muffin

[OnTheMark]

VOTECOUNT 2.08

Not_Mafia [4]

- zMuffinMan, Nahdia, Mathdino, Pine

Pine [2]

- NicoRobin, Lovebird

MathDino [1]

- OnTheMark

Lady LambdaDelta [1]

- Not_Mafia

Not Voting [2]:

Lady LambdaDelta, mastina

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
You have (expired on 2018-06-04 18:00:00) to do so.

22 hours 4 more votes we can do it!

[OnTheMark]

....wow

Let me get this straight. Your slot lies about the passive of being flipless and/or does that bullshit the entire day..says patently untrue things and I am “bad” for scumreading you for it? You’re a widely scumread slot somehow avoiding being wagoned and now that you are being wagoned you’re specifically threatening to replace out?

Wtf?

[OnTheMark]

VOTECOUNT 2.11

Not_Mafia [3]

- , Nahdia, Mathdino, Lovebird

Lovebird [2]

- Lady LambdaDelta, Not_Mafia

zMuffinMan [3]

- NicoRobin, OnTheMark, Pine

Not Voting [2]:

zMuffinMan, mastina

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
You have (expired on 2018-06-04 18:00:00) to do so.

Three more muffin votes please.

[OnTheMark]

I would rather not lynch MuffinMan. I am still all about lynching Not_Mafia. I'm not really getting any cold feet there.

Why are you not getting cold feet about someone loverized?

[OnTheMark]

We need three of Nahdia MathDino LoveBird LLD NotMafia and Mastina.

We can do it people!

[OnTheMark]

Not happening
We've had this conversation
Lynching flipless is terrible

Dude we reading the same game? muffin rescinded the flipless and then said he was later.

Like he’s not and if he is he is scum.
And if he isn’t flipless he’s scum for not claiming it.

Oh wait a minute...You’re scum lol

[OnTheMark]

tbh i'm not surprised you think your scum game is """good"""

for example, people don't even bat an eyelid at how ass-backwards your reads are because they have zero expectations of you doing any better

when you play to scum's win-con as town, people aren't going to know whether or not you're legitimately doing it as scum for a change

Lol scum did the same thing in Elemental Trinity too when I named them.

I ate a vig.

It’s a known thing that I am swingy. You attacking me for being bad in the past instead of helping me be better is the scum claim. Towns don’t win by tearing each other down they win by working together.

I just don’t believe you have an interest in that and refuse to fight with you. I own my past.

It’s the present that counts.

[OnTheMark]

If your gamesolve is me/muffin, like I've said multiple times, you should lynch me to confirm him as town

If you don't have the balls to do that then idk what to tell you

Your view of the gamestate is consistently hilariously inconsistent

Nahdia.

Odd/Even has 0% indication of town / scum

See Game of Thrones theme game.

Lynching one of you doesn’t confirm the other.

As I said earlier pool is muffin or one of you / Pine.

Lynching you doesn’t have any indication on his alignment if you are town only that you’re sucked into his bullshit. You’re either scum or a town beard. Your choice

[OnTheMark]

It's not the even/odd which makes our roles Town.

It's the role. Not the modifier. Scum doesn't distribute protective or investigative to Town.

How is this fucking hard.

Because scum does do that? And so does town? It’s NAI

[OnTheMark]

This about the alternative a bit.

If scum give the rolecop to their buddies they have to explain the visit later. Especially since Kokichi is a lightning rod.

It’s much more likely scum couldn’t give it to their buddies so they were forced to give it to town.

[OnTheMark]

Furthermore not giving it to mastina would be a scum claim.

[OnTheMark]

unless, you know, you were gambling that mastina was gonna die.

just saying.

If I am wrong Nahdia is scum.

[OnTheMark]

I should probably claim that ability in fact.
I am a compulsive D1 permanent-track/watch-immune-inventor.

As in.

I am required to make one person (and sadly, it does specify "ANOTHER player" so no self-targeting to make sure it lands on town) in the game, by the end of D1, be track/watch immune. If I don't submit anyone, it's randomized. I'll let you know who I am selecting; it'll be among my largest townreads for obvious reasons.

[OnTheMark]

They could have easily killed mastina. Pretty sure she claimed who but I forget.

Nico/Mastina who was it?

[OnTheMark]

Why are we doing this, can we please just lynch Not_Mafia

I don’t want to lynch lovers.

I would much rather lynch the person who is a liar. Then got pissy and trolly when I caught him.

[OnTheMark]

No.

I have seen moderators beg scum to stay in after being caught. And have replaced into many people have bailed from.

It’s not alignment indicative.

[OnTheMark]

I have no desire to learn muffin’s “playstyle” if it’s insult everyone who disagrees with him.

If that is ‘town’ him I don’t give a fuck. I would play with a thousand people of my skill level divided by 314 because there would be a mutual level of respect and lose every game there is then play with someone that insults people.

[OnTheMark]

.....Really?

No one has crossed any lines???

Really?!?!?!?!

I am really tempted to just replace out too except for my prior reasoning as to why.

There were definitely lines crossed here and I am doing my damndest not to explode in anger at every post I write and shit like that doesn’t help.

[OnTheMark]

Be sure to give LLD time to hammer vote as she had stuff she wanted to do. I will hammer at deadline if she doesn’t so we have a lynch.

Still think this is silly.

[OnTheMark]

Sorry I misunderstood.

I thought you had to hammer.

You good for day to end and setup?

[OnTheMark]

I didn’t ask that?

Whatever

The point is are you set?

[OnTheMark]

If you’re good I will hammer

[OnTheMark]

How are you gonna hammer?

Voting Not Mafia

We need a lynch

I disagree with it but it’s better than none

[OnTheMark]

Great...

We need one more too fuck I can’t do math while working

[OnTheMark]

Please stop yelling.

I have had a shitty enough day. Just ...please.

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

For the record I am on Muffin in Spirit.

[OnTheMark]

Out and about all day.

Who wants to be ascetic for the night?

<Vote on lovebird here don’t want to hammer before I catch up?>

Was anyone loverized last night?

[OnTheMark]

Hey OTM. Without going into specifics, did a thing happen to you last night? You should have been informed if it was successful.

Not sure if I would say or if it matters here.

I say stuff til I am blue in the face and somehow I feel like it.

[OnTheMark]

Did you loverize anyone?

[OnTheMark]

Okay, here's truth. I'm serial killer. If we let me live, I shoot whoever town wants.

Still need to answer the question.

Don’t believe the SK claim. Too few deaths.

[OnTheMark]

I won't say what I did if you're voting me

I am not

So what actions did you take?

[OnTheMark]

Hey OTM. Without going into specifics, did a thing happen to you last night? You should have been informed if it was successful.

Not sure if I would say or if it matters here.

I say stuff til I am blue in the face and somehow I feel like it.

@Nahdia

@Lovebird okay eat rope then.

[OnTheMark]

I am definitely interested in the claim.

[OnTheMark]

I swear to god if you fucks lynch me after I fucking softed cop all game, then used my cop and got scum because you're paranoid that I would BUS MY BUDDY WITH A COP GUILTY. I will fucking tilt.

Oh heavens no, upon a Lovebird scumflip I don't lynch you ever.

But if Nahdia flipped town and you were alive in lylo, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell...I'm obligated to be that paranoid, yes? (Well I would be if I were actually alive.)

Still, we'll cross that bridge IF we come to it; I happen to agree and think that Lovebird-->Nahdia wins the game. There's not much use in actually thinking further ahead than that. Especially since come lylo I'd probably not be alive anyway. (Lylo would most likely be McMenno/LLD/OTM in that situation. And frankly, even just 2/3 of those is a nightmarish lylo that I just don't even want to try and think about in advance.)

I agree we lynch lovebird but if lovebird is scum why not loverize you guys?

Like I am a bit confused by the night actions.

[OnTheMark]

But if it’s a one shot ability (because otherwise I would be expecting y’all to be loverized tonight if not) then we’re missjnf a kill.
Like if lovebird didn’t loverize anyone then they killed.

If they were one shot that was incredibly suboptimal.

[OnTheMark]

Like if
LoveBird shot MathDino missing scumkill
If lovebird did something else (loverize??) scum shot MathDino and we are missing something else.
If lovebird is just one shot scum went all in on MathDino and didn’t target the mason claim.

Do you see my dilemma Mastina?

[OnTheMark]

@chamber — Can you please give the VC that hammered Not Mafia?

If lovebird is just scum I would expect scum on it as that is where some of their eggs went.

[OnTheMark]

Clarification received.
VOTE: Lovebird.

Mastina ideas of who I should ascetize?

LLD does your ability have more shots?

[OnTheMark]

Define “super cop” please?

[OnTheMark]

I just.

I feel like I am missing something major. :/

[OnTheMark]

) Nahdia
iv) OnTheMark
vi) Lovebird
vii) Lady Lambdadelta
ix) NicoRobin
x) mastina
xiii) zMuffinMan

Mass claim is definitely in order

All but Nahdia I think are claimed.

[OnTheMark]

Like I get it.

It just begs the question why scum haven’t conceded?

[OnTheMark]

Going to do LLD again tonight then.

[OnTheMark]

Nahdia is that everything?

[OnTheMark]

And what did you do each night?

[OnTheMark]

And he please :/

[OnTheMark]

Mark, thoughts?

Pretty sure Nahdia is scum. She was debating hammering before sorting the ascetic.

Probably means that Nahdia is lying and something will happen to LLD who I hit.

No scum in their right mind ever kills me. They leave me til lylo.

I am a compulsive ascetic which means someone is always free from protection at night besides myself.

[OnTheMark]

Mark, thoughts?

Pretty sure Nahdia is scum. She was debating hammering before sorting the ascetic.

Probably means that Nahdia is lying and something will happen to LLD who I hit.

No scum in their right mind ever kills me. They leave me til lylo.

I am a compulsive ascetic which means someone is always free from protection at night besides myself.

They were* sorry

[OnTheMark]

What I find more likely is Nahdia hit me to try to buddy me and then tried to appeal to me to make me like it. The sad thing is without that I probably townread them. I am super paranoid of buddying.

Pretty sure the game ends with Nahdia scum here and if not Muffin but I am 75% sure it is Nahdia.

[OnTheMark]

I don’t see a world in which I lynch LLD. Kudos to her if she is for giving a damn but mainly if Nahdia is town with that weird play then I take Muffin over LLD no contest. She cares more and has been playing more and if she is scum she deserves it.

Nahdia assume you’re lynched in the next hour. What are your last reads?

[OnTheMark]

i'm down to clown with that, Muffin Man.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Why did you vote the person you could track?

Sorry this was me.

Consider me having intent. If I don’t like what I hear or get an answer by end of my work shift I am hammering.

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: Nahdia

Doesn’t add up why you’d use a shitty motion detect over a bodyguard if it’s really as shitty as you claim.

[OnTheMark]

I am terrible at this stage of the game, and my partner didn't leave me anything to go by in the PT either.

VOTE: Nahdia

I'll just vote there and see how in goes.

P.S: @OTM I told you so

I was kinda hoping the game would be over.
I to be frank haven’t had time to review but based on LLD guiltying Lovebird and my prior suspicion of Muffin and the predecessor I am pretty sure that is where my vote is gonna go barring some miraculous stuff by Muffin.

[OnTheMark]

The main time I have for interaction and chatting is tonight and a bit of tomorrow as my mom is coming in during the evening.

I plan on dropping a vote before then as I don’t want to decide lylo while medicinally high.

That won’t be fair to anyone.

[OnTheMark]

I am gonna go randomly *scritch* a post now

Okay done and have to head to work and therapy and dnd today.

Oh and then I will switch and scritch another post tomorrow as the scritch marks fade away.

I was frustrated.

I felt there was no way I was going to be believed that mastina and Nico were fake claiming masons. I have seen the gambit work before and our roles are similar. I also noticed Wisdom my predecessor scumread the slot and he has BoP goodness for being town. I townread you and I felt like I was drowning and needed someone to understand.

[OnTheMark]

The main time I have for interaction and chatting is tonight and a bit of tomorrow as my mom is coming in during the evening.

I plan on dropping a vote before then as I don’t want to decide lylo while medicinally high.

That won’t be fair to anyone.

Then let's do stuff now. I'm around, you're around. I'm pretty sure McMenno is scum but I have some questions for you.

If you have questions for me, I'm here to answer anything.

I do have questions but I need time to tabulate then.

[OnTheMark]

okay so i confirmed with kts that this is the best way;

we picked eddie cane. we are a LOUD FLIPLESS Eddie Cane. not gonna fullclaim our ability, but when we die we flip as EDDIE CANE not town nor scum.

Lynch this claim.

Why?

It ain't town. "I don't actually flip when I'm lynched" is like, not town.

I noticed during a lot of times I pushed for this spot to be lynched earlier, you never really agreed/disagreed during those times as much as memory served. Why?

[OnTheMark]

I am just really disappointed because it is proper play 100% to lynch the flipless before here and I really wish I would have listened to prior me regarding Nahdia.

viewtopic.php?p=10241116#p10241116

This is the last visible post from McMenno(please excuse the curse word) that is in a mafia forum. There are also like a few from mishmash. Considering when the kill is do you think McMenno is capable of stealth killing here?

[OnTheMark]

I also find it odd scum let the entire time run.

I sped it up as it is directly against my interest to have this game run long.

Why do you think scum!McMenno does that?

[OnTheMark]

I also find it odd scum let the entire time run.

I sped it up as it is directly against my interest to have this game run long.

Why do you think scum!McMenno does that?

More time to plan?

I submitted an accel too.

It's also possible Nico didn't submit an accel because she wasn't paying attention and didn't care?

Like, I can't explain because I'm not McMenno and I'm not scum and I voted to accelerate. This question is seriously impossible.

Reverse question: What does this question inform you of? What kind of answers do you think you're going to get?

It’s more I am trying to figure out why all the events together accumulated into the result they did for today.

If McMenno is scum then he submitted a kill on Nico then disappeared, knowing that I would very likely be voting him no matter what. Yet he isn’t here to make the argument and didn’t concede.

So I am trying to ask a lot of why questions until I feel like I understand why the night actions happened the way they did.

[OnTheMark]

Like, Math, these last two questions you've asked only have one reasonable answer for me to provide you.

And I'm happy to tell you the truth and answer any questions you need me to, but it concerns me because what I'm looking for here from you is some kind of like... genuine attempt to sort me one final time.

And the first question I was really happy with.

The next two have felt very... almost like superfluous? even forced? Why did you ask them? What kind of answers were you expecting?

I am asking them in order to as I said before figure out why McMenno as scum would do these things.

I am also concerned that you have instantly townread me for the entire game and scum haven’t ever tried to dissuade me from that and that no one has any proof you didn’t bus your buddy. I have run a similar gambit as scum before and won with it multiple times.

Hence why I am more concerned you aren’t considering me as potential scum. You’re answer of I wouldn’t like where it goes is exactly antithesis to what I wanted to hear. I wanted to hear I considered my townread on you being wrong and then realized that is a dumb idea.

[OnTheMark]

I also find it odd scum let the entire time run.

I sped it up as it is directly against my interest to have this game run long.

Why do you think scum!McMenno does that?

More time to plan?

I submitted an accel too.

It's also possible Nico didn't submit an accel because she wasn't paying attention and didn't care?

Like, I can't explain because I'm not McMenno and I'm not scum and I voted to accelerate. This question is seriously impossible.

Reverse question: What does this question inform you of? What kind of answers do you think you're going to get?

It’s more I am trying to figure out why all the events together accumulated into the result they did for today.

If McMenno is scum then he submitted a kill on Nico then disappeared, knowing that I would very likely be voting him no matter what. Yet he isn’t here to make the argument and didn’t concede.

So I am trying to ask a lot of why questions until I feel like I understand why the night actions happened the way they did.

What is his other choice?

He can't shoot me, I'm his potential mislynch.

He can't shoot you, if you are shot dead, then Nico is confirmed town and I get to vote him for 1000000% free and then Nico makes a very obvious choice.

No, I think his play it to try and generate the paranoia between us because neither of us are 100% confirmed.

Except from everyone’s point of view up into the day of Nahdia’s mislynch you were confirmed town. Yet McMenno nor muffin really tried to shade you ever.

[OnTheMark]

If McMenno is scum then it would be which confirmed town to shoot. And why did scum not try to neutralize your ability?

[OnTheMark]

VOTECOUNT 3.2

Lovebird [4]

- Lady LambdaDelta, mastina, McMenno, Lovebird

Not Voting [3]:

NicoRobin, OnTheMark, Nahdia

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
You have (expired on 2018-06-23 18:00:00) to do so.

See this is what I am struggling with.

McMenno in one of his few posts hammers then lovebird immediately does.

[OnTheMark]

So their only way of dealing with me is to kill me.

But what happens if scum kills me?

They leave confirmed town alive in the following number

Mathdino
Mastina
Nico

and there are 7 players left alive.

which means they can't win. They literally cannot win from that position. They need 3 mislynches to win and there are only 2.

That is another thing too.

They kill the mason cop then don’t kill the masons.

It’s really odd.

It’s like scum had the masons in their pocket.

[OnTheMark]

So the likely answer is that scum were in the townreads of the masons.

Nico and I without risk of making me a blubbering mess had our tiff so that eliminates me so the masons would have had to have townread scum to avoid being a kill.

[OnTheMark]

Like think about this logically Mark.

They can;t ever kill me, they need to mislynch me.

They can't block my ability, it's unblockable as I claimed a while ago.

And they can''t do any other shenaigans to me at night because you are publically claiming to ascetic me.

They could have killed you when they didn’t kill the masons.

I think I wanna go back and see who they killed instead of the masons.

[OnTheMark]

It's Day 3.

Mathdino has been killed. His role was ...

Spoiler:

Hello CheekyTeeky!
Your pick was: Beeboy.

Role:

You are a

Town Odd-Day Inventor Designator

.
Every odd day you can target a player to give them a set of inventions from which they can distribute one during the oncoming night.
You cannot target the same player twice.
Any attempt to give you any invention will refund it back into its invention pool.

Inventions:

1-Shot Rolecop
1-Shot Track
1-Shot Track

Wincon:

You win when all threats to the town have been removed and at least one town aligned player is still alive.

Mathdino actually wasn’t confirmed town.

And even if you disagree with the idea and thought he was the order of the confirmed town deaths matter.

[OnTheMark]

So their only way of dealing with me is to kill me.

But what happens if scum kills me?

They leave confirmed town alive in the following number

Mathdino
Mastina
Nico

and there are 7 players left alive.

which means they can't win. They literally cannot win from that position. They need 3 mislynches to win and there are only 2.

That is another thing too.

They kill the mason cop then don’t kill the masons.

It’s really odd.

It’s like scum had the masons in their pocket.

they killed the mason cop because lovebird was scum and in that fake mason gambit bullshit.

Then their kills are forced the rest of the game Math.

They have to kill Mathdino first because his inventions are too powerful, right?

Then they kill the mason who claims to get random powers now and again.

Then they kill the mason who didn't claim that.

Does that make sense do I need to run you through the numbers again

His inventions aren’t too powerful if scum are townread. Plus they have me who has to ascetize someone.

[OnTheMark]

It's Day 3.

Mathdino has been killed. His role was ...

Spoiler:

Hello CheekyTeeky!
Your pick was: Beeboy.

Role:

You are a

Town Odd-Day Inventor Designator

.
Every odd day you can target a player to give them a set of inventions from which they can distribute one during the oncoming night.
You cannot target the same player twice.
Any attempt to give you any invention will refund it back into its invention pool.

Inventions:

1-Shot Rolecop
1-Shot Track
1-Shot Track

Wincon:

You win when all threats to the town have been removed and at least one town aligned player is still alive.

Mathdino actually wasn’t confirmed town.

And even if you disagree with the idea and thought he was the order of the confirmed town deaths matter.

PINE
CONFIRMED
MATH
AS
TOWN.

WHEN PINE FLIPPED TOWN MATH WAS TOWN.

Pine had a belief Math was town due to even/odd night.

That is never a good reason as demonstrated by games Mastina has been in.

[OnTheMark]

CAUSE GUESS WHAT BITCH I STILL CAN'T MOVE MY FUCKING VOTE

EVEN IN LYLO

SO IF I VOTE YOU OUR OF FUCKING RANGE AND YOU ARE TOWN WHICH I SERIOUSLY THINK YOU ARE BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY YOU FUCKING DO THIS TO ME AS SCUM

WE LOSE

Can you like not call me a bitch?

Horrible player
Can’t play for shit
Ridiculous

All those are fine but not bitch please.

I am just trying to figure out stuff like we agreed we were doing and now you’re yelling at me because I am trying to sort? This doesn’t make sense.

[OnTheMark]

I'd be decently down with flipping Not_Mafia in order to BoP LLD

Anyone else?

Pedit I am asking questions. Certain things don’t add up.
When McMenno gets on I also have questions for him that don’t add up.

I am listening to what you have to say I just am not taking it with a grain of salt.

Assume the premise that Math is confirmed town (I disagree but let’s roll with it)
Why do you think scum killed Math over the masons?

Keep in mind Math suspected you over McMenno slot.

[OnTheMark]

and if you do it again I will game throw and I don't even fucking care because I'm on the fucking verge of tears I am so tired of the fucking idiot moon logic and having people just fucking ignore me

I am really sorry you feel that way.

I am trying to sort I hear your point about the kills and am sorting from that point.

[OnTheMark]

If MathDino was confirmed town and the masons confirmed town why did the order be
Math
Mastina
Nico

And not
Math
Nico
Mastina

[OnTheMark]

If they killed Math for the abilities and not for reads,
Then the next kill would have been Nico to make Mastina a VT

So either there was something special about Mastina’s reads that made her a better kill over Nico or scum specifically left Nico alive
But if we talk reads why Math over masons?

[OnTheMark]

"To make Mastina a VT"

Nico never claimed to be an enabler for Mastina's power. Show me where Nico claimed that.

How would scum know that?

Nico claimed enabler several times looking it up for you.

[OnTheMark]

Okay, you want me to explain? Then I will.

My modifier is enabler, and I enable her role.

Happy now?

[OnTheMark]

Furthermore if memory serves MathDino had tracks not protectives.

Which again makes things all the more puzzling.

[OnTheMark]

I don't think it changes anything though, right?

You kill the role, not the enabler if you get the chance, right?

And Nico was inactive the whole game

It does.

If both in essence make the slot a VT.

Then as scum I would go for the enabler because the enabler could have something else that would be bad for town.

If Math Nico and Mastina are all confirmed town the why matters because it gives clues to who scum is.

[OnTheMark]

It's Day 3.

Mathdino has been killed. His role was ...

Spoiler:

Hello CheekyTeeky!
Your pick was: Beeboy.

Role:

You are a

Town Odd-Day Inventor Designator

.
Every odd day you can target a player to give them a set of inventions from which they can distribute one during the oncoming night.
You cannot target the same player twice.
Any attempt to give you any invention will refund it back into its invention pool.

Inventions:

1-Shot Rolecop
1-Shot Track
1-Shot Track

Wincon:

You win when all threats to the town have been removed and at least one town aligned player is still alive.

Pedit The tracker is only more dangerous if you’re scumread. There were already a lot of confirmed town.

What is really interesting is that no one claimed to receive the track if memory serves.

[OnTheMark]

I don't think it changes anything though, right?

You kill the role, not the enabler if you get the chance, right?

And Nico was inactive the whole game

It does.

If both in essence make the slot a VT.

Then as scum I would go for the enabler because the enabler could have something else that would be bad for town.

If Math Nico and Mastina are all confirmed town the why matters because it gives clues to who scum is.

Ok, let's play that game for a second then.

The order of those 3 descends with

Activity
Power level of role
and
Amount of Leadership

Doesn't it make sense then that they were simply killed on auto pilot based on the massclaim?

Where would reads fall into that descending list?

[OnTheMark]

Would inventions distribute after killing or before?

[OnTheMark]

It's Day 3.

Mathdino has been killed. His role was ...

Spoiler:

Hello CheekyTeeky!
Your pick was: Beeboy.

Role:

You are a

Town Odd-Day Inventor Designator

.
Every odd day you can target a player to give them a set of inventions from which they can distribute one during the oncoming night.
You cannot target the same player twice.
Any attempt to give you any invention will refund it back into its invention pool.

Inventions:

1-Shot Rolecop
1-Shot Track
1-Shot Track

Wincon:

You win when all threats to the town have been removed and at least one town aligned player is still alive.

Pedit The tracker is only more dangerous if you’re scumread. There were already a lot of confirmed town.

What is really interesting is that no one claimed to receive the track if memory serves.

Wasn't Math killed night 2?

he's an odd day giver. He gave Mastina the rolecop that confirmed McMenno is flipless

Killed night 3 odd night giver

[OnTheMark]

Night two nope memory sucks.

[OnTheMark]

I gotta go.

Will try to be on tomorrow.

[OnTheMark]

....Still no McMenno. :/

[OnTheMark]

How much longer you around for McMenno? Because I got some questions for you too.

[OnTheMark]

around half an hour

Did you speed up night? Yes? No? Why or why not?

[OnTheMark]

my slot claimed loud flipless which I can confirm. I guess the loud part was supposed to work with the inventors

What do you do that is loud? And who did you target each day/night? If I recall the masons confirmed you as flipless but I am curious to what you did each night after and what exactly is loud?

[OnTheMark]

I explained in my first post of the day why I didn't accelerate the night phase

what do you want me to talk about

I mean at this point, I'm just looking for....

look, you mentioned you think I'm town, that's good, I

am

town.

But that's only half the equation for you if you are town. In order for town to win if you are town, you need to convince me you're town.

You can do that one of two ways.

One: Talk to me about the earlier things in the game, and try to sort and read OTM and I. The way you go about it will tell me a lot about your mental state, and help me figure things out.

Two: Talk to me about your slot. I know you said it is hard to town case yourself because you weren't the one playing, but basically talking from the perspective of your role and your current thoughts....

essentially, show me why you're town and why OTM is scum, effectively.

I usually form reads as the game progresses, and day 1 is a horrid cesspool basically but I'll give it s hot

trust me, the day 1 of this game was also a shitshow, but for me it's important to see you post and put something out.

Because you have to understand how suspicious it is for me if yuo do and accomplish nothing, even under the guise of "I replaced in and I don't know what to do".

It's so hard for me.

Agreed on the shit show.

Still can’t bring myself to reread it although I really should.

[OnTheMark]

EVeryone agrees nico is town, so for this scumastina narrative being pushed nico would need to be gambitting.

Also, no it doesn't considering it results in no net less because I'm loud as she can and did confirm, so again, I can only be scum with mastina who can only be scum with nico and this is an awful push from you so fuck it

VOTE: OntheMark

you're a logical player so you don't get away with awful logic

How did Mastina confirm you were loud?

[OnTheMark]

chamber got back to me RE: rolecop.
McMenno's a Loud Flipless.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta.

OTM, can you ask questions that aren't answered by a basic search through the thread

That came AFTER that post.

How did she confirm LOUD before that post?

And yes I am asking things that take a search but I am asking things that should have been claimed by my prior question and aren’t.

So I am being more direct.

[OnTheMark]

You shouldn’t have had to look through Mastina’s ISO.

Your slot send Mastina a message to test the masonry. It’s a big part of why monomen tailed at me he couldn’t be scum when I suspected him.

What did that message say?

[OnTheMark]

Honestly I wasn't going to bother but I appreciate 2784, so I'll give it a go.

You spend all D1 derp tunneling Sudo

also, this isn't how cheeky played scum with me at all. they were apologetic and almost scum claimed to me because they felt bad. its a completely different vibe from here.

VOTE: Momrangal

I think Wis could easily be scum here (still in my PoE etc etc) but on principal I don't want to vote him rn FTR this vote was almost LLD and could have stayed on Wis too.

VOTE: Sudo

lets just lynch this wolf

Fine.

VOTE: ...MOMRANGAL

the thing with sudo is that they're trying to project a town image without actually solving. a lot of what they say is meaningless statements meshed together to look like solving, but nothing ever goes below surface level. i think that's my biggest thing with sudo. when i played with town alisae in the hydra mash, they weren't forcing interactions with people and weren't actively attempting to make themselves highly townread. it was a byproduct of active solving and good posts at good time while alisae didn't care about what image he was projecting.

this is on top of appeasement, pocketting, and a lack of any sort of mindmelds between our slots in the past game day. please vote with me.

VOTE: Sudo

VOTE: Sudowoodo

Please sheep me for the sake of sheeping me. Thank you for your cooperation.

VOTE: Sudowoodo

nvm im informed sudowoodo claimed cop lol

VOTE: MariaR

UNVOTE:

I might need to call in the cavalry. Be back after work.

VOTE: Wisdom

Because I have Elli's tell on Mastina. Or a n0 inno. Or I'm reaction testing. Doesn't matter right now.

VOTE: Kokichi

Maria, stop.

VOTE: wisdom

Ok YOLOKILL

that was fun.

inb4 KTS is obvious town but only in a neighborhood I don't have access to.

lol, the sod and eod were so killer it was hard to do anything else but obv!town in that neighborhood.

also, gonna park right here quick while i organize my thoughts along with my read. VOTE: MariaR

VOTE: beeboy

-eddie

VOTE: wisdom

VOTE: Momrangel

this is wolf one hundred percent of the time. i’ll message Eddie about it, but i’m confident in this read. my track record d1 as villa is prett good, so just go ahead and sheep me instead of being ridiculous.

You're not wrong about laying low. Not scum tho

I see.

VOTE: MariaR
let’s talk

@Mom where you at in reads?

VOTE: sudo

VOTE: Wis

I feel bad if he's town cause he honestly sounds like the most sane person here but might as well see where this goes

VOTE: Sudo

I don't think this fits any definition of tunnelling. And our ISO has over 300 posts, you can go use ctrl F but I would bet less than 50 are about Sudo. They're in the PoE because

we

sorted a town bloc of 5 people that almost every player agrees with.

the moment I give in and say "fine, lynch sudo but if this flips town autolynch Eddie" you unvote?

Well, first of all, this is irrelevant because I and many others were planning on doing Wis on a Sudo townflip and one random dumb (sorry) town opinion doesn't interfere with that, its pretty damn likely to be TvS. The other option was/is MariaR, but that's a different rabbit hole. HOWEVER; lets ignore all that. Did you not think of another possible factor? Any thing that could cause my vote to change besides one person who's been pushing me half the day and shading a fuck ton saying lynch me tomorrow? Hmm. Lets check.

I'm not against the concept of what you're saying but sudo made my partner quit the site my vote isnt leaving that slot for the game

Pine replaces Sudowoodo.

And by the way, our thought processes are out in the air from the get go and there was never any tunnelling involved whatsoever.

From discord, timestamps removed etc. any line without me: in front is by kts.

sunday
me: wya in ali game?
time to read up
sudo is a wolf
thats a good look for wisdom
like i dont see sudo blatantly lying and being generally antitown as their villa range lmao

me: are u caught up now?
i think if sudo is a villa wisdom is a wolf tho
no i read recent 2 pages
im going all the way back noe
ive got like 5+ pages to read


a week ago:
we had hidden abilities
but the role itself was antimeta
it was swag i dunked on every1
pressure sudo for me?

friday:
mom softed a good pr
if they aren’t powerful upon claim kill the,
beeboy might be a wolf with sudo
or just a wolf in general
actuslly the whole interaction was weird. if sudo is a wolf, beeboy is hella town
there’s lots of wolves hopping on mastina and karia
or maybe not so much on mastina. <redacted>
sudo, beeboy contains a wolf like almost certainly. I still don’t like mom, but I think I picked up on them being a strong power. mastina I still have to reread, but kokichi might just be a wolf who sucks
Redflavor isn’t too far from any of his ranges, and lld seems pretty townie. Lovebird and nico are my clears
my clear on love is flimsy, admittedly, but nico is town
wisdom I miss waffling leaning town anyway
Wisdom, Red, Beeboy, Sudo, Mastina, Kukichi
That looks pretty good tic me

friday: me: <redacted>
me: but i need ur town reads bby
me: the STRONG NEVER GOIN BACK ONEs
me: <redacted>
ok my confident read
is
prob sudo theyre evil
they tried to pocket beeboy, and their thought process sucks
like idk why they suddenly disappeared from the public eye

i think that sudo interacted with beeboy in a very scummy way. it looked like sudo was trying to buddy beeboy and encourage him to make reads for no particular reason since she never actually commented on any of these reads. the slot hasn't done any of the analysis and thinking i usually see and expect from town, and their sort of aggressive in a way that doesn't solve the game but creates more confusion. i'm conscious that both players in that slot are good town players, and i really enjoyed playing with alisae and bear in the hydra mash. here, at least alisae is nothing like that.

sunday:
that explains so much
yume is jeanne right
or whatever the fuck her name was
lol
they can be town
im sitting at mom, sudo, +1 (meh on maria and red iirc)

monday:
i think sudo is a wolf
like
im not too confident in my play rn
but all these flashwagons and ccs being led by sudo
are so bad
me: then tunnel it ayy
me: im happy to lync h em
tunneling requires energy
im so burnt out dude
LOL

We have never once talked about Ali's wolf game. We have never done any personal attacks. We have never nitpicked their posts. They are probably genuinely angry, but this ate is NOT all real and their arguments are nonsensical. They also keep harping about how they're such an awful person when none of us have even addressed them as a person.

Here's KTS thoughts on you people. Not as an AI thing, just as a wake up call.

last week:

me: thats ms
me: just win
i guess i'm just not a good fit on ms sorry dude lol
me: its the only valid comeback
me: nobody is people are shit lmao
yeah but i like bein shit and having fun
i haven't had fun on a single ms game i've played
even dunking on scum doesnt have the same thrill
sorry that's rude i'm just not enjoyable and others aren't towards me
me: start saying stuff like this itt if you want people to treat you differently
i don't want to ate people into listening to me
i want to play mafia and work with ppl and push others
even ppl who believe someone else is town still makes bad comments towards them and shit based purely off ego
i guess it just gives me room to improve
but holy fuck man
me: so post stuff like that in the thread
me: lol
me: i cant help you with dumbasses
me: its just part of playing mafia
elijah - Last Friday at 2:06 PM
youre right ill come in and dunk
me: <redacted>
all the other sites i play on ppl usually are chill
ms is so hyper charged with emotion and asshole behavior
apart from our game ive dunked on wolves every game and ppl always talk shit until post
then they say theyre sorry and do it again
like wtf man LOL
me: they dont learn
me: mastina herself said i'm one of the best current players and then ... chooses to do her own vanity pushes and ignore me
me: and she's one of the better players here
me: its just a shit environment
me: its what happens when days are this long
me: <redacted>
yeah i get it
im gonna keep playing on vut u shuld play on mu with me sometime

today:
this ate genuinely pisses me ofd
me: i agree
i havent been mad about a game in a long time.
alsp yeah i can sign
i'm done playing on ms, dude.
these people are assholes
me: haha
me: u gotta be a bigger asshole
i'm not going to force myself to be a bad person because other's have no self controlm
like, i'm genuinely done. sorry for leaving you, and i like playing with you eddie. i hate ms.
i like to play mafia to have fun. i like catching wolves and fooling town, too, but i like doing it without dealing with children and their lack of emotional control.
<redacted>
me: <redacted>
<redacted>
i barely pay attention to that stuff. i thought their play was wolfy
alisae's wolf game was never a factor in my wolfread meta wise.
LOL
my msgs are sending in random order oops
me: <redacted>
LOL have fun dude
i don't really care anymore, i'm just not gonna make the game toxic and force myself to try to have fun.

Ali and I are friends. KTS and I are friends. I think Ali is most likely scum who is genuinely angry. Maybe Ali is town. At this point, my hydra partner is gone and we are lynching that slot today or I am going to be belligerent and unhelpful. I don't think Ali is a shit person, and like I told Keely I don't even think anything they've said would be over a line if they are scum. I think KTS and Ali are both irrationally angry. But this is very likely scum, and if its town this is not behavior we want to encourage. Ali and I will continue being friends after this game, and they will either learn to not push bullshit about me being "paranoid" of their scum game (unfounded, baseless, and not true), or they will learn that it genuinely isn't true if they're town. Doesn't overly matter. This thread is still enjoyable for me and I don't really know why but I see why people might be annoyed and RedFlavour probably requested replacement because of it. Stop being children.

What happened to all that confidence?

what confidence?

It's my best bet for scum, and still is. I've said many many times I have no confident scumreads and my vote has changed many times as seen above to match. I still think Sudo is scum, but with how Ali played they basically killed any desire I had to play. I've considered and am very close to subbing because I joined to play with KTS and Wisdom is also gone, this game is borderline unplayable at this point. The only reason I'm still here is because I despise subbing and only ever do it to avoid getting toxic, but I don't think I've said anything toxic this game and am trying not to.

sudo flips town which effectively renders the majority of your contributions today completely useless.

Except

it doesn't

. I'm the one who established Mastina and Yume as town. I'm the one who established Love and Bee as town. Despite how much you're making me doubt myself, I'm the one who established you're town. Yes, not entirely me, but I've been the one propelling that and allowing town to work together. My contributions are definitely nothing useless today if Sudo flips town, and I still don't think they do but I've also lost a lot of my little confidence looking back.

If Eddie is scum I see a connection to Mastina and it would explain why we're all completely fucked right now.

Well then the team is myself, Mastina, and Yume. This is a team that loses the game.

[OnTheMark]

Intention to vote McMenno after I finish some errands.

[OnTheMark]

Well fuck.

Rl just bit me in the ass.

Brain says McMenno
Gut says LLD.

Brain wins every time.

VOTE: McMenno

[OnTheMark]

Thank god I trusted my brain.

I have about 10 minutes before I have to disappear for a long while til Late Monday or Early Tuesday.

Any questions?

[OnTheMark]

I am town.

You’re town right?

[OnTheMark]

Right? LLD you’re scaring me.

[OnTheMark]

Help. I don’t know anime.

A yes or no would be amazing.

[OnTheMark]

Fuck I gotta go. Ugh this is killing me!

[OnTheMark]

Fuck gg prepping shit now.

Sorry I decided wrong. Shoulda replaced our but heart of hearts said no.

[OnTheMark]

When in doubt, go with gut feel. It sure worked for me in Sadomafiosochism.

I rarely go gut in lylo.

It said you were scum and when I recalibrated it said lovebird and I got told no.

Then LLD guiltied lovebird. I was her pawn. Pure and simple.

Scum deserved this.

[OnTheMark]

I don't think I lose this even if I have to 1v1 Mark though. McMenno was leaning my way.

Yeah I just ever since the me Nico fight I just kinda was half here and scum played it well. Scum earned this.

[OnTheMark]

In other news, I was right to trust Sudo.

And I was right on Nahdia. Meh win some lose some.

[OnTheMark]

Well, maybe you should do gut in lylo sometimes.

I just had top surgery on my mind more than anything else.

I didn’t want to make this decision high. I told myself and I quote “What is the worst that could happen? Everyone yells at me for throwing...” I just didn’t want that :/

[OnTheMark]

What was your ability LLD?

[OnTheMark]

So yeah, I am mad......

And about your issue with me, Titus called you 'she' in this post, so I assumed that was your pronoun, and I apologize for that.

p-edit: That plan didn't involve killing me. :/

Thanks.

My sister was getting used to me expressing differently.

I still wasn’t entirely out. She took a long time to call me they.

[OnTheMark]

And now that I have embraced who I am she is taking it a lot better.