NY 213 - Game Over!

[Scioness Sajj]

hi

[Scioness Sajj]

Creature wagon is bad

^^^

i will catch up tomorrow

[Scioness Sajj]

before i get prodded

i agree with people saying that we can give creature some time. if he is scum it will be obvious soon enough.

i will catch up in few hours

[Scioness Sajj]

I assume that if people start voting creature they will park their votes. He is easy enough to read that so he will be most likely bussed.

Lynching him d1 if he is scum - sure; wagoning him early in the day when he is on vla - what for?

[Scioness Sajj]

fair enough. But there were people defending him for non-activity related things and well before he VLAd.

From what you have quoted I and Wheme were the first ones to defend creature. Unless you have something else in mind?

[Scioness Sajj]

i will vote when i catch up.

[Scioness Sajj]

Same.

Now the Scioness Saj wagon, could be a thing.

wagon won't start itself?

[Scioness Sajj]

I'll start it then. The Almost50 wagon sadly isn't going to happen today.

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

do you always interrupt engagements or is it a special case?

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Ausuka (I don't understand why nobody is on her, she had some traitor theories and disappeared without a notice)

will try page by page catch up, seems more efficient
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page 5
VOTE: 101 - towny
VOTE: 104 - scummy
VOTE: 115 - scummy
scumlean on Ausuka and Charles
page 6
VOTE: 125 - scummy
page 7
VOTE: 143 - meh
townlean on A50.
page 8
VOTE: 185 - I agree, felt like Charles was dodging the question.
VOTE: 194 - pretty meh
page 9
townleaning Lalendra
page 10
Golden Robster can be town too.
page 11
VOTE: 273 - scummy.
Scumlean on Hopkirk
page 12
Hopkirk looks better here.
page 13
VOTE: 301 - meh.

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townleans: A50, GR, KK, Lalendra
townihs null: pine, osuka, hopkirk,
null: the rest

i wanna talk with my two scumleans first, if you want something to be explained lmk

[Scioness Sajj]

wow im clever

i will be back to comment on slots more

[Scioness Sajj]

sorry guys something came up and have to focus my energy somewhere else, will replay tomorrow

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Ausuka (I don't understand why nobody is on her, she had some traitor theories and disappeared without a notice)

will try page by page catch up, seems more efficient
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page 5
101 - towny
104 - scummy
115 - scummy
scumlean on Ausuka and Charles
page 6
125 - scummy
page 7
143 - meh
townlean on A50.
page 8
185 - I agree, felt like Charles was dodging the question.
194 - pretty meh
page 9
townleaning Lalendra
page 10
Golden Robster can be town too.
page 11
273 - scummy.
Scumlean on Hopkirk
page 12
Hopkirk looks better here.
page 13
301 - meh.

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townleans: A50, GR, KK, Lalendra
townihs null: pine, osuka, hopkirk,
null: the rest

i wanna talk with my two scumleans first, if you want something to be explained lmk

fixed if someone wants to engage

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: mylo

dislike sajj

forgot to declare this before but v/la until friday please

why do you dislike me and why do you vote mylo when there was already wagon forming on me?

[Scioness Sajj]

not really found of Performer's opening post.

[Scioness Sajj]

i gave reasoning for why i believed there was a traitor and it would've made sense if almost was it. iirc people agreed with me at the time. sure it could potentially be seen as a traitor signal but there's also blatant town reasoning for doing that i've already mentioned which is being totally ignored in favour of a scum narrative

didn't you scumread those people for agreeing with you?
you don't believe your theory is plausible anymore?

[Scioness Sajj]

oh wanted to mention that:

i;m townleaning osuka for consistent tone. confident in creature being town.

not interested in leading wagons because one is on what looks like an empty slot (would focus somewhere else for now) and town reading A50.

[Scioness Sajj]

Dunnstral also towny, forgot he was n the game for some reason

[Scioness Sajj]

Forgot that I needed to post here.

Yeah, you don't play scum posting only on scum thread.

This is a great point.

VOTE: Android18

not interested in my wagon anymore?

[Scioness Sajj]

i think i like performer and creature here.

what for do you like performer?

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

I see I'm gonna need an inhaler for this page.

Correction: I will need an inhaler for your one-line posts, creature.
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Did an ISO on scioness, vax, & wavemode:

scioness & vax keep defending creature - who has posted a little more on pgs like 16-18. Later vax makes what looks like an opportunistic vote on scioness, while she votes asuka.
wavemode naked votes osuka, votes texcat as a joke or rvs post?, votes the charles slot due to him asking a game setup question, does a prodge post.

why did you add wave to the iso mix? what do you think of other low activity slots? like edo, aa9, android and so on.

[Scioness Sajj]

texcat

- you have asked a lot of questions - do you have any conclusions? or just reads.

[Scioness Sajj]

oh wanted to mention that:

i;m townleaning osuka for consistent tone. confident in creature being town.

not interested in leading wagons because one is on what looks like an empty slot (would focus somewhere else for now) and town reading A50.

Empty slot?

I meant Edo but I think I had outdated vc in mind

[Scioness Sajj]

do you always interrupt engagements or is it a special case?

What were you engaged in?

Wanted to talk to Vax but nevermind.

[Scioness Sajj]

i gave reasoning for why i believed there was a traitor and it would've made sense if almost was it. iirc people agreed with me at the time. sure it could potentially be seen as a traitor signal but there's also blatant town reasoning for doing that i've already mentioned which is being totally ignored in favour of a scum narrative

didn't you scumread those people for agreeing with you?
you don't believe your theory is plausible anymore?

no?

and I think it's possible but that doesn't mean I'm going to lynch on that possibility.

must have misremembered it, nevermind.

still don't like how much focus you had on things that had very little to do with interacting with people.

[Scioness Sajj]

vla till 2nd

sorry for the inactivity, i will start catching up right now and try to keep up.

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scion: why is Lalandra in your towns.

she talked about someone (creature?) with somebody and it was towny

[Scioness Sajj]

Spoiler: Love bird

Lovebird is my most confident scumread for the following posts.

Screenplay and Creature confirmed but not posted.

This post feels like shade for no reason it's not needed why did they ask this 'they wanted to point it out'

This is very unlike your tone in other games we've played and I'm not sure if you're just trying something new or if you're really as scummy as you're making yourself sound, and that's almost impossible to believe but as of yet I have no other explanation

I think Lalendra is town

UNVOTE:

Sorry Ircher and everybody. 25 players and 13 pages already. Too much for me to keep up with and post any kind of intelligent analysis.

Ircher asked me to sign up as a favor and I did. There's a reason I don't play mafia. I am no good at mafia and I don't really enjoy it. I'll be over in the mish mash forum.

Please go ahead and replace me out.

this reads to me as someone that didnt want to roll scum but did.

This is towny.

Posts like the 2 above are very lazy and feel like posting just for the sake of posting. I'd love for a lovebird wagon to start to get the pressure on them.
(Not to mention the post above isn't even towny in fact it's quite bad.)

Spoiler: A50

This was mentioned in the queue thread, but I shall mention it again here to ensure that everyone is aware and so that everyone can find this information easily.

This game is confirmed to contain solely town-aligned players and mafia-aligned players. In other words, there are no Werewolves, there are no Serial Killers, and there are no second Mafia groups.

Btw, I claim

Survivor

. Ircher forgot to explicitly announce there are none of those (it's implied, but not explicitly stated), so I'd like to claim it now to prevent him from announcing it later.

Also, I'm Ascetic Hider with 1-shot of BP/PGO on odd nights. In even nights I'm a compulsive Commuter. You simply can't touch me.

I'm gonna follow Khan here.
VOTE: Almost50

FINALLY! The "I'm gonna follow Khan here." soft-clears KK and implicates Edo. It's almost like he's saying he knows I'm town and is already blaming it on KK. Bad bad vote here.

VOTE: Edosurist

My fellow townies, follow me. Are you ready to lynch a mafioso?

I assume the survivor claim was fake and leading into this second post feels really towny coming from A50. He wanted reactions and he's leading with them i'm confident in town A50.

I already said I townread Lalendra.

this post feels fake to me but I can't really explain it better. Artificial is a better word I guess.

[Scioness Sajj]

ETL can be town for stuff on p25

[Scioness Sajj]

/confirm

hardclaim mafia rolecop

/confirm

hardclaim mafia rolecop

sory

***regular rolecop

VOTE: wavemode

/confirm

osuka and ausuka...?

hmmmm, it's confusing but not THAT confusing

if i got a nickel for every time i was called 'asuka' on here, i could probably make a job out of it

Thank you everyone, very cool!

VOTE: wavemode
because last time we played together you were scum and I’m pretty sure you made it to end game

These are the most suspicious posts I noticed from an osuka ISO, when looking at why he was the leading wagon. He even votes wavemode twice in a row. Votes wave and votes him again, despite already voting him. None of this makes sense if osuka is town.
VOTE: osuka

how does it make sense for scum osuka?

[Scioness Sajj]

I think this is Gamma!Town here!

why is that?

[Scioness Sajj]

I think this is Gamma!Town here!

why is that?

It looks very similar to the other town games I've played with Gamma.

Why does it look similar? Have you played with scum!Gamma?

[Scioness Sajj]

they are color coded for different tiers i think

[Scioness Sajj]

blue for town, red for scum

[Scioness Sajj]

okay so I'm still 10 pages behind, i will withhold catching up post by post an try to read everything tomorrow and post some conclusion. I will be more useful tomorrow I promise.

I don't really feel strongly about 4 of the biggest wagons. (one thing to say about Rampage, I have played a game with him and he doesn't really feel much different).

curious why nobody is on Android.

[Scioness Sajj]

Some elaboration:

I've isoed Vax and it's meh. Waiting for his catch up.
Performer and Osuka - need to read posts.
Rampage feels lynchbaity

[Scioness Sajj]

I think this is Gamma!Town here!

why is that?

What is your opinion on me and why?

You seem fine. Looks like you are sorting people you have history with.

I think this is Gamma!Town here!

why is that?

It looks very similar to the other town games I've played with Gamma.

Why does it look similar? Have you played with scum!Gamma?

...Have you?

Never played with you, no.

[Scioness Sajj]

nah, wanted to pressure Mylo since he seems to be one of easiest to sort.

[Scioness Sajj]

Ausuka and Gamma (and maybe somebody else idr)are scum reading Flavour of meta but nobody voted? what's up with that?

[Scioness Sajj]

Ausuka and Gamma (and maybe somebody else idr)are scum reading Flavour of meta but nobody voted? what's up with that?

It's 13 to lynch so maybe they don't feel like being votes 1 and 2 when other people are reaching vote 10 or something

I'd imagine that people feel stronger about their meta based reads, though. And Ausuka was on pretty fresh Rampage wagon (two votes) that she changed to wavemode later. And Gamma was on Vax who also had two votes.

[Scioness Sajj]

I remember skimming through a Preformer's game that ETL posted. iirc she posted it wrt performer not being lynchbaity

[Scioness Sajj]

bummer
UNVOTE: ausuka
if i will find time to catch i will do stuff and vote if i don't i will sheep etl/add to the biggest wagon to secure lynch.

[Scioness Sajj]

lynch lynch lynch
VOTE: performer
l-4

[Scioness Sajj]

so ugh can we please have a lynch? pref on preformer/wave cuz i don't think we can get 11 votes in 30 hours

also, I don't think performer confused wheme with wave but it's not that important i guess

[Scioness Sajj]

oh yeah android is fine lynch

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: android

[Scioness Sajj]

hi it's me the hard town lurker

i have been skimming through the day i swear i will post tomorrow.

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: texcat

Can I have your reasons behind this vote on tex? I would join that wagon from the looks of it but I would like to hear your reasons first and see if they match up with mine at all

Anybody got a flashlight? It's very dark under all this shade.

let's see

an eh vote by wave
scummy/tonally awkward post from android (i still didn't figure out what i'm sring android for)
even worse one from tex

*insert thinking emoji*

[Scioness Sajj]

mylon is ????? wagon like from what i have seen i would not expect any content from him

but he's apparently easy to read, at least that's what i have heard. if anybody claims meta ability on mylo hmu i will consider sheeping

[Scioness Sajj]

Called me? Guess not

what's up

you're not looking so good

[Scioness Sajj]

On page 81

I have work so maybe will catch up after work

Jar jar is a good vote for now

why is jarjar good vote?

[Scioness Sajj]

Scion's tone just reads as genuine.

i was really excited about being hard town

[Scioness Sajj]

Why do you think creature looks fine?

And what do you make of that?

Don't remember the motions. I think somebody ask me to vote android.
.

[Scioness Sajj]

mylon is ????? wagon like from what i have seen i would not expect any content from him

but he's apparently easy to read, at least that's what i have heard. if anybody claims meta ability on mylo hmu i will consider sheeping

by 'from what i have seen' i mean in general from him, not in this game

[Scioness Sajj]

oof

prod received. i can't really post much right now, i will do so tomorrow.

[Scioness Sajj]

alright nerds I'm not reading 100 pages

what specifically should I read/take a look at?

ausuka is ic. that's probably the most important thing

[Scioness Sajj]

alright nerds I'm not reading 100 pages

what specifically should I read/take a look at?

ausuka is ic. that's probably the most important thing

Not sure if that's the most important thing a replacement needs to know actually

what is it then?

[Scioness Sajj]

Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18

This would imply you scumread KK as my partner yes? Let's change that
VOTE: Kublai Khan

I'd really like to hear an explanation to this.

[Scioness Sajj]

Responding to my prod. I'm busy tonight and tomorrow morning, but I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

Are you going to vote for anyone?

I guess I could VOTE: PP because OMGUS and they haven't really done anything to town read them on.

He hadn't mentioned Mylo since his vote for him in 1947 - 470 posts earlier. Mylo dropped a vote there when asked for a vote and came up with some weak reasoning, didn't even really try to back it up. So, it looked like he was opportunistically throwing a vote on someone who had literally just said they wouldn't be around to defend themselves and using OMGUS and vague "I don't see any reason for them to be town so they must be scum" as an excuse.

Mylo has specifically chosen PP because he knew PP wouldn't be able to defend themselves against opportunistic vote with no reasoning? Is that what you are saying here?

[Scioness Sajj]

You need to vote.

I'd really like to hear an explanation to this.

Got any reads? How about an opinion on the mason thing?

i'm on page 102, i'll get there eventually

[Scioness Sajj]

Mylo slipped down to scumlean on my list with that vote on PP. I don't see any reason for it at all, and it seemed like he was opportunistically picking on someone that he knew was not around when he was pressured to throw down a vote.

I agree. Although the reason for it was just because I asked if he was going to vote. The continued beetlejuicing cannot be a coincidence or a joke. Mylo appears to be reading and appears when mentioned, but no more than that.

VOTE: Myloninja

I agree with this, the beetlejuicing thing is active lurking.
His whole play this game is active lurking but he admits to it. I'm not sure what to think of mylo. I remember reading one game where he was scum. He was lurking hard but when he was posting he was actually trying to appear like he was contributing. Can't tell if he realized he can go away with this playstyle as both alignments or it's his town game.
Leaning town game.

[Scioness Sajj]

I need to stop readin, will be back in an hour.

Flavor - why didn't you vote in the neighborhood D1. Didn't you suspect it is likely scum would be in the hood since you are mason?

[Scioness Sajj]

reading pages 105-107. I'm fine with the mason claim considering how Hopkirk approached it in 2648. They are more likely town than gambiting.

GR also seems town for the gambit alone.

[Scioness Sajj]

I was trying to figure out if GROB was town fake claiming mason to try and protect my mason partner(s), which would have been good play, or if he was scum claiming mason, which in this case, he would already know my alignment was town. If i had gone through with accepting that play, and he was scum, he would have been able to kill me off, coast as conf mason buddy and potentially 1v1 with a mason buddy of mine and successfully kill of 2 masons at the price of himself on day 4. That’s an easy trade to make as scum, and very solid play.

this is a good point actually.
town Rob could want to protect the masons if he was townreading you or saw crumbs - that's not the case.
town Rob could want to reaction tests you, which he claimed to do, but he retracted before he got a reaction from you.
scum Rob could want to force other mason(s) to claim but I don't think it was needed. the thread was already demanding full masonry claim. no reason for him to get into that spotlight. unless he thought you were town gambiting mason and no clue if that's what scum Rob would go with even considering we have a hood already.

it's either really simple or really complicated.

[Scioness Sajj]

android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)

Spoiler:

ftr, i'm not defending his play or saying's it's good or protown.

it's just very obviously coming from a town player

could you elaborate? or anybody else townreading Android, I don't really see it.

[Scioness Sajj]

Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Thos something to look back at if GRob flips scum.

[Scioness Sajj]

We’re lynching ON MY WAGON, if a fucking 2nd mason claims.

Like seriously, terrible play y’all doing this game.

Absolulely zero chance of lynching off my wagon. Like, obviously a second mason is claiming if I get pushed today. It’s literally fucking pointless.

It is blatant role fishing, and if you’re town who “needs a second mason to claim” that’s just bad. It’s a fucking mason claim. It’ll come out.

I see town motivation in wanting 2nd mason to claim. From what I have read you are known for claiming masons so it's not something people will just accept. Lynching on your wagon isn't the right way to go about it, i think.
Like it probably would be if it was anybody else but you.

[Scioness Sajj]

Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Thos something to look back at if GRob flips scum.

I 100% agree with what Dunn said. Dunn is lock town from my perspective.

do you have a reason to think that Dunn would trust you on your word alone?
i have no problem with Dunn's apporach on it's own, but i do think this is telling if rob was scum gambiting.

[Scioness Sajj]

If second mason claims,
I will hard defend Mylo, because Mylo is obv town.

How's mylo obvtown? How much expirence do you have with him?

[Scioness Sajj]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

This is extremely passive stance, is this normal? You expect Flavor to fake claim, you think it's nai and that's about it.

[Scioness Sajj]

I’m also town reading this Scion fella.

if you are town reading me for not pushing your partner to claim then i have not done it intentionally

[Scioness Sajj]

I need to stop readin, will be back in an hour.

Flavor - why didn't you vote in the neighborhood D1. Didn't you suspect it is likely scum would be in the hood since you are mason?

No. I actually think there isn’t scum in he neighborhood, despite Wave’s play his day phase.

Me being a mason is exactly why i wanted the neighborhood to be left alone for a bit so i could analyze more.

The vengeful modifier in the neighborhood, along with masons and IC in the Neighbor is basically begging that Vengeful to shoot Wave, and from a setup design perspective, I can’t see that slot being scum really. I also town read Wave, and right now I’m probably just seeing Wave as scummy out of spite for being obnoxious.

Wave’s still on my wagon, and i wouldn’t mind lynching there, but I’m gonna go after the other people, but i would join Wave if need be, if that makes sense.

that's fair.

[Scioness Sajj]

I've made four or five reads lists so far this game. Not even Flavour Leaf actually noticed the crumb.

weird way to crumb. having somebody that isn't participating much as null doesn't really look like crumbing.

[Scioness Sajj]

i mean he was jumping through your readlist but you know what i mean

[Scioness Sajj]

I want to look through Lovebird and Scion to see what their activity looks like as other alignments.
I need to reread Robster at some point. He's a good candidate for active scum.
If I had to sort Pine, I'd say town.
Wheme/Lalendra/ArcTBG aren't likely to be leaving my scumpool.
Android I want to reread.
Mylo/KK I can leave.

I'm active as both alignments, slightly less I scum I guess. I have four games finished but none of them have as low activity level as this one.

[Scioness Sajj]

his is a consistent mindset to his past meta
also yeah he might be defending you but I still think he's making a mechanical assumption that's pretty loony

flavor was defending me where? he just said he is town reading me.

[Scioness Sajj]

UNVOTE: i would be willing to lynch in Lalendra/Scion/Rob

what have i done?

[Scioness Sajj]

FL sounded powertown. Then I didn't like how he didn't react to Rob's fake claim, because it seemed to me that if he was really a mason, he would have had a reaction. Then I decided he probably was really a mason because he explained that he was just making that post as he was heading into work and didn't have the chance to react, so I unvoted.

FFS, I really don't understand why people have such a hard time following my reasoning in EVERY GODDAMN GAME

i think the way you are writing would work fine if you were speaking with somebody but doesn't really translates well into writing.

[Scioness Sajj]

JarJar, I know we are in rush but i'm not going to rush through reading.

i have commented on things, pretty sure there was a read or so in there. i will make a readlist when i'm done catching up. i have 4 or so pages to read.

if you want my attention or just something from me, don't do it by engaging on my engagement with other people, thanks

[Scioness Sajj]

@ Scion, yeah you're posting a fraction of the amount of your previous games why? What are your reads right now? In the abscence of another reason, all that springs to mind is that you want to fly under the radar.
Also my flavour thing was that I called him 'Flavour Leaf' while shortening the names of everyone else on any line he was on in my reads list.

yeah, i know how it looks but there is nothing ui can do about it. I was on prolonged v/la d1. I didn't expect to be vla at all and since my other site commitments are smaller i paid more attention to them.
a readlist will be made today, just want to be up to date with the thread. you can count me accountable for everything i have said, i do double check when posting now so there is that.

yeah you are right, i need a break from reading i'm starting to skim.

[Scioness Sajj]

oh

just realized it's andriod not android

(i'm writing readlist, don't yell at me)

[Scioness Sajj]

town: flavor/hopkirk, kk, jarjar, etl (from d1, needs updating).
town???: mylo13, gamma, golden robster, penguinpower,
null: and everybody i forgot about
scum???: texcat, lalendra? (i can't tell how much of it it's peculiar posting style and how much is weird motions), andriod, wave (not really in lynchable pile, but doesn't fit anywhere else).

there is no 'scum' because this is based on pages 100-116 +what i remember thinking of slots from d1. i'd put andriod in scums since nobody is willing to explain their townread on it but it will do just fine in

VOTE: andriod18

[Scioness Sajj]

i'm aware it's missing like half the playerlist and i will get there tomorrow if you want me to elaborate here let me know

[Scioness Sajj]

Hi I'm still here!

Hi guys.

Hi sorry I'm still here lol.

Sorry, I'm still here lol.

Ahhh, I'm not good at big numbers of people lol.

Hi sorry I do still exist!

Hi I'm here sorry

yes, we are aware you are around.

what do you think of PP now? do you still scumread him? what about Golden Robster?

[Scioness Sajj]

hmm are you reading the game? a lot happened past few pages.

[Scioness Sajj]

yeah, some stuff has happened. read it up and let me know what you think

[Scioness Sajj]

???

[Scioness Sajj]

That makes sense I guess.

Explain

Them being masons make sense. Because they're, you know, not yelling at each other.

Btw, I'm sooo abusing that conf!town is calling me obvtown

Conf town doesn’t mean right town

But it does mean not scum buddies!

I mean this. I don't understand. Who is not scumbuddies with who?

[Scioness Sajj]

ok, you can be town here

[Scioness Sajj]

oh

just realized it's andriod not android

(i'm writing readlist, don't yell at me)

...why does it matter

it doesn't /really/ matter but i have been misspelling its name the whole time, those things matter to me

why is this only thing you find worth commenting from what i have written, though

[Scioness Sajj]

i have done an iso let me present to you why i think Adriod18 is scum:
1. gut/tone
2. the thing with Jarjar

osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

reads to me as:

i know osuka is town but i don't have reads so my excuse for voting will be information

statment like that, when coming from town, i would expect to be followed with so game solving. in a way that he has already thought about what possible information can be gained. don't really see why town would lynch a townread for info if they don't even know if they will find anything.

I'm a VT do as you wish.

I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

I would agree if lynching that VT was a good information read but from what I'm getting I'm mostly a policy lynch (an understandable policy lynch but still one none the less)

if you want to lynch me lynch me BUT remember i'm not really that good lynch.

in a span of 10 minutes. it's pretty obvious that he didn't really mean 1790 and got scared by A50 post. don't see it coming from town.

[Scioness Sajj]

why is this only thing you find worth commenting from what i have written, though

I know u got mad that I answered for another player earlier but I'm gonna take a stab at this one too.

It's because you haven't posted anything of worth.

dude why you so rude

reading this instantly made me tired

[Scioness Sajj]

UNVOTE: i would be willing to lynch in Lalendra/Scion/Rob

VOTE: WhemeStar

?

[Scioness Sajj]

re: Penguin
i see the point about PP saying Mylo is scum but voting Golden Robster but that's the only point against him I see
don't think jumping to conclusion is scummy

[Scioness Sajj]

I fell liek PP is going to be a miss lynch. Can I interest anyone in a wheme lynch?

can you be interested in andriod lynch?

[Scioness Sajj]

UNVOTE: i would be willing to lynch in Lalendra/Scion/Rob

VOTE: WhemeStar

?

i don't think any of those lynches is happening today?

also i take back what i said previously about this being wheme's town game

what makes it different from wheme's town game?

[Scioness Sajj]

oh right PP is Rampage hmm

I have played one game with town Rampage. He did not outright claim VT like here but he did have the same approach to the game and I think he accidentally crumbed it.

[Scioness Sajj]

town: flavor/hopkirk, kk, jarjar, etl (from d1, needs updating).
town???: mylo13, gamma, golden robster, penguinpower,
null: and everybody i forgot about
scum???: texcat, lalendra? (i can't tell how much of it it's peculiar posting style and how much is weird motions), andriod, wave (not really in lynchable pile, but doesn't fit anywhere else).

there is no 'scum' because this is based on pages 100-116 +what i remember thinking of slots from d1. i'd put andriod in scums since nobody is willing to explain their townread on it but it will do just fine in

VOTE: andriod18

Wait. So you don't have any scumreads, and your readslist is admittedly missing half the players, so you're arbitrarily deciding android is scum because other people TR him and haven't explained it well enough? That's...odd, at best.

is it really not clear what i have written there and why?
I have explain why it is missing so many players in the very post you quoted. things about andriod got explian today, though i have been scumreading him d1.

[Scioness Sajj]

I fell liek PP is going to be a miss lynch. Can I interest anyone in a wheme lynch?

can you be interested in andriod lynch?

I suppose

Okay there easy steps:
1. read 2960, a convo starting 2946, you can also iso andriod it has 29 posts.
2. think about it
3. vote

[Scioness Sajj]

oh tex

[Scioness Sajj]

hmm okay but no i don't think so

i don't think he was trying to manipulate his meta here, no point for him to replace after that.
i think it in his approach on playing vanilla

[Scioness Sajj]

oh jesus he actually self voted that game lol

[Scioness Sajj]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76121

[Scioness Sajj]

I guess I can do that

[Scioness Sajj]

eh, skimmed through the rampage's games. he claimed all two times he was vanilla and he got somehow lynched as ic. vax may have a point.

[Scioness Sajj]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

[Scioness Sajj]

What about Mylo?

what about him?
do you think you can get 11 votes for him?

[Scioness Sajj]

oh btw there are no plans for day extension

[Scioness Sajj]

hi, happy upcoming birthday!

what do you want to talk about? why is your wagon garbo?
you should read how the fake claim got resolved.

[Scioness Sajj]

Why do you think PP scum? What do you think of other people that has been posting today?

Pages 115-116.

[Scioness Sajj]

What do you think of Andriod

[Scioness Sajj]

Tex, gamma, brawl, wave, lalendra?

[Scioness Sajj]

What do you think of Andriod

Oh uhm I don’t remember reading anything of android during my catchup

Well it didn't post, it was talked about.

ISO is short though no rush on it, I have to go now

[Scioness Sajj]

Brawl, why is a18 obvtown?

[Scioness Sajj]

Day 2 VC #27

Golden Robster (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (1) - Andriod18 (2533)
WhemeStar (4) - Flavor Leaf (2958), PenguinPower (2962), Wavemode (2966), Hopkirk (3008)
Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (1) - Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), Scioness Sajj (2904), JarJarDrinks (2943)
Texcat (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Ausuka (3023)
Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (1) - TehBrawlGuy (2690)

PenguinPower (9) (L-3) - EspeciallyTheLies (1996), Myloninja13 (2437), Lalendra (2809), Creature (2835), Kublai Khan (2899), WhemeStar (2930), Golden Robster (2979), Gamma Emerald (2990), Vaxkiller (3012)

Myloninja13 (1) - Texcat (2552)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (0) -
Not Voting (1) - Frozen Angel

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

WhemeStar is V/LA on July 14.
Seeking a replacement for EspeciallyTheLies.

Unless I find a replacement before the end of the day, there are no plans to extend the day's deadline.

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) --> WhemeStar (2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) --> Flavor Leaf (2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899)
WhemeStar: Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) --> Flavor Leaf (2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) --> WhemeStar (3008)
Gamma Emerald: Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) --> Flavor Leaf (2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) --> Flavor Leaf (2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) --> Flavor Leaf (2327) --> (Null) (2612) --> Flavor Leaf (2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy: (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690)
Vaxkiller: WhemeStar (2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) --> Flavor Leaf (2635) --> (Null) (2800) --> WhemeStar (2966)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) --> Flavor Leaf (2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) --> WhemeStar (2962)
Myloninja13: PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj: Andriod18 (2904)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) --> WhemeStar (2958)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Here

[Scioness Sajj]

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

[Scioness Sajj]

Probably the most telling to me is that they're still going on with a relatively low posting chill style D2 after almost getting the lynch D1. I feel like that's not the survival mindset of Scum. It's possible I'm misreading it and they're just that kind of low activity player regardless of alignment, but it definitely helps make them Town for me.

Having 29 posts in 3k posts game makes you think it's coming from own?
What do you think of A18 offering themselves as lynch and then retracting?

[Scioness Sajj]

I'd prefer PP over tbg tbh

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

[Scioness Sajj]

Gamma, are you suspecting Mylo?

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness not really suspecting mylo but him giving a full on pass based off such a plain post is just wtf-worthy

fair, do you actually have a read on mylo?

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Rest of the post

: Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

Is your vote here based only on assumption that Wheme was bussing?

Made some formatting adjustments to the post.
~Ircher

[Scioness Sajj]

oh wow rip post

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Spoiler: rest of the post

Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

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Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

Is your vote here based only on assumption that Wheme was bussing?

ha, fixed it

[Scioness Sajj]

What in the world are you getting at ssjj? Lol

what do you not understand

[Scioness Sajj]

texcat

thanks

[Scioness Sajj]

it's physically impossible for me to post today

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness not really suspecting mylo but him giving a full on pass based off such a plain post is just wtf-worthy

fair, do you actually have a read on mylo?

There's certainly not much there to have a read on, but what is there is scummy as all get out.

thanks, didn't ask you.

VOTE: texcat

[Scioness Sajj]

im not gonna blow the thread up with quote posts to describe 15-20 reads. i'll just give an overall statement at the end of catch up.

scioness seems town atm though.

why are you townreading me?

[Scioness Sajj]

what have I done to become a main scumread?

[Scioness Sajj]

ah yeah i remember reading that

that's pretty confident, though.

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Dunn

OMGUS lol.

why dunn and not texcat?

also what about your gamma read?

[Scioness Sajj]

And Gamma is... kinda not really seeming town here. I haven't played with them much, but from what I have seen I don't reeeeally think this is town from them?

why not?

[Scioness Sajj]

on page 144.

I think Tchill has a point with looking at Flavor Leaf/Hopkirk's reads. Lalendra is an okay lynch. I want to lynch Tex of read and her read flip would clear Mylo, imo.

still town reading Mylo and TBG.

[Scioness Sajj]

When did you actually start townreading TBG? As far as I can tell it comes from nowhere around when I say we could always wagon TBG and you switch to the PP counterwagon.
That's despite there being any obvious evidence that you reread anything of TBG since you had him as neutral/not memorable enough for your reads list and I didn't get the impression you actually reread/reisod stuff after that.

After he answered me why he thinks A18 is town. I would have to check but I have changed my vote after Wheme's claim, I think I have said there why I preferred PP over TBG.
Sorry you didn't get the impression?

[Scioness Sajj]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

I tried with A18 people were not interested. I didn't have a read on Wheme that's why I wanted to talk to him/asked about him and was reluctant. At first I was townreading PP based on TR's claim but I have iso'ed Rampage and it turned out he claimed vt in all of his vt games. Somebody mentioned that if he does it all the time he may as well do it as scum and I agree so I stopped putting much stock into it hence null read PP with vt claim over town lean TBG.

I said that we may have to go back because I thought we would. I think the topic of us not being able to move wagon was being discussed around. PP's wagon already had some lurk/empty slots voting him so he was most viable alternative. It was before I meta'ed Ramapge and so I didn't really want to vote PP.

[Scioness Sajj]

lalendra, scioness, vax, tbg look like my top priorities atm.

I still don't understand why ppl TR vax.

so what were you townreading me of?

[Scioness Sajj]

And Gamma is... kinda not really seeming town here. I haven't played with them much, but from what I have seen I don't reeeeally think this is town from them?

why not?

[Scioness Sajj]

i had just started my catch up (pg 119). This looked like genuine sorting. I got a good vibe from it. I liked what I seen.

thats the only reason i mentioned TR'ing you.

That's fair. Are you caught up fully now?

[Scioness Sajj]

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

[Scioness Sajj]

Still don't understand why people are town reading Tex with her lifeless tunnel on mylo.

[Scioness Sajj]

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

Cant she be clueless scum?

It the same with scum accidentally mixing names of their scummates I think. If scum confuses players it more likely that said players are town.

I could buy scum Lalendra pushing narrative about Pine lurking becuase his team was caught, even though Pine has been lurking starting D1 and it never got better. But not IC. That's p important info for scum.
I mean, yeah it possible if she doesn't even read scum PT. I'm pretty sure Ausuka was discussed as possible nk.

[Scioness Sajj]

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

She's a lurker, timing will never be good with lurkers. Will probably have to check her iso to see if she acknowledged Ausuka before.
Have you seen her make this kind of counter-intuitive defense before?

[Scioness Sajj]

Still don't understand why people are town reading Tex with her lifeless tunnel on mylo.

2 scumreads voting him is enough for him to not be on my lynch menu for today.

fair

when you have time check out how she handled D2 lynch

[Scioness Sajj]

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

I mean it's actually ridiculous.

If lalendra is actually town here she bought herself a ticket to lylo with that. Oon top of being a mislynch candidate for scum she's actually clueless.

IF lalendra is scum, she is, then the cluelessness is AtE. I've never seen lalendra show great skills at fighting off her lynch. I can see her as scum saying "she won't fight" then acting like she has no clue whats going on the game. Thats what you do when you dont know how to methodically defend yourself.

I don't understand what's ridiculous.
Every lurker town, clueless or with bad reads or just a lurker, gets themselves a ticket to lylo, if you want to put it that way. I don't know why you seem so outraged by the fact that lurkers are usually disengaged and thus outliving engaged townies.

Wouldn't call it ate. Imo, if she isn't good at defending herself then she is less likely to try to defend herself by showing how little she knows about the game while trying to provide content. Right now, town or scum she is good policy lynch. I think if you don't know how to methodically defend yourself and you try to go clueless route you try for flat out clueless. She provided content about Ausuka based on meta and 'decided' to forgot about Ausuka's confirmed status. It's not intuitive to make lies like that. The purpose of first part, providing meta content on Ausuka, gets nullified by the second part, forgetting about IC role. Doing something like that isn't really basic defense.

If she is generally bad at defending herself I highly doubt she would try to defend herself like that. She can be scum and she can be clueless but i doubt something like this would be intentional.

[Scioness Sajj]

its actually outrageous lurkers out live engaged town but thats post game talk.

how so? do you expect scum to keep engaged/leader-ly type players alive? as for town pov, judging by how many people lurk/flake out reading policy lynching them all isn't really an option nor particularly nice thing to do.

im talking about why she thinks the scum team consist of only 3 ppl. thats bizarre and ausuka pointed out the flaw in reasoning she hasnt commented back on yet.

idc about tthe rest of her "cluelessness" that could be WIFOM.

my bad then.

[Scioness Sajj]

do we want lalendra anywhere near lylo

that's terrible approach

[Scioness Sajj]

so you townread lalendra?

i do. i believe i have been pretty clear how i feel about her, it didn't change since yesterday.

do we want lalendra anywhere near lylo

that's terrible approach

Why?

actually, i take that back. that's scummy approach.

why? there is a difference between i vote for you because i think you are scum and i vote you because i don't trust you to win the game in lylo.
do you play to lynch scum or do you play to policy people that may make the wrong decision in lylo? do you want a lynch that people have to take stances on or do you want to have no responsibility policy? are you certain that disengaged lurkers will stay disengaged? are you certain that engaged players won't flake out?
idk maybe i'm wrong but i thought we should be looking for scum, not weakest links. especially in a game like this where, if we assume i'm upper line of useless lurker, we have about 10 players that fit criterium of being a liability to our wincon. you and wave included.

[Scioness Sajj]

like with argument like that we can as well lynch Ausuka since she hasn't been really paying that much attention to the game, right?

[Scioness Sajj]

actually, i take that back. that's scummy approach.

why? there is a difference between i vote for you because i think you are scum and i vote you because i don't trust you to win the game in lylo.
do you play to lynch scum or do you play to policy people that may make the wrong decision in lylo? do you want a lynch that people have to take stances on or do you want to have no responsibility policy? are you certain that disengaged lurkers will stay disengaged? are you certain that engaged players won't flake out?

this is a rather strange tirade, considering

a. i never said i wanted to lynch lalendra because she's bad? not sure where you're getting that from

b. i've already made it clear that i do scumread lalendra

c. i made the exact same comment about uglyduck in open 729 a few weeks ago and you didn't take issue with it there?

a. you have posted a question, i guess it wasn't directed at people that are already scumreading her

b. then push for her lynch based on your scumread

c. maybe, but you were also pushing for ud lynch based on why you think he is scum.

[Scioness Sajj]

Reading Mylo's (only) scumgame QT makes me think this could definitely be scum mylo actuall. This quote summarizes it pretty nicely:
'HELP, I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO POST. I"LL LITERALLY COPY AND PASTE IF YOU WANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY'

His constant active lurking- not posting content but posting at the right side of the borderline of not getting subbed out- fits that concern over posting stuff.
His interaction with Wheme also fits a likely fear of bussing from that game.


(Not sure if this is allowed or if it counts as advertising, but would anyone be able to do me a favour and sub into an off-site game?)

i suggest you go read any of his town games

[Scioness Sajj]

Scion, why did you townread Mylo but scumread most of the other incentives when you made that reads list in the 2900s?

because i thought Mylo was town and the rest of them not so much?
what exactly are you asking?
I have played with Mylo I have read his scumgame that Gamma hosted. I have interacted with him(don't remember if it was after or before) I think he is town.

[Scioness Sajj]

Also, why aren't you voting Lal when she was near/at the top of your scumpool yesterday?

because i don't scumread her anymore

[Scioness Sajj]

Reading Mylo's (only) scumgame QT makes me think this could definitely be scum mylo actuall. This quote summarizes it pretty nicely:
'HELP, I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO POST. I"LL LITERALLY COPY AND PASTE IF YOU WANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY'

His constant active lurking- not posting content but posting at the right side of the borderline of not getting subbed out- fits that concern over posting stuff.
His interaction with Wheme also fits a likely fear of bussing from that game.


(Not sure if this is allowed or if it counts as advertising, but would anyone be able to do me a favour and sub into an off-site game?)

i suggest you go read any of his town games

and probably that game also if you didn't

[Scioness Sajj]

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

I mean it's actually ridiculous.

If lalendra is actually town here she bought herself a ticket to lylo with that. Oon top of being a mislynch candidate for scum she's actually clueless.

IF lalendra is scum, she is, then the cluelessness is AtE. I've never seen lalendra show great skills at fighting off her lynch. I can see her as scum saying "she won't fight" then acting like she has no clue whats going on the game. Thats what you do when you dont know how to methodically defend yourself.

I don't understand what's ridiculous.
Every lurker town, clueless or with bad reads or just a lurker, gets themselves a ticket to lylo, if you want to put it that way. I don't know why you seem so outraged by the fact that lurkers are usually disengaged and thus outliving engaged townies.

Wouldn't call it ate. Imo, if she isn't good at defending herself then she is less likely to try to defend herself by showing how little she knows about the game while trying to provide content. Right now, town or scum she is good policy lynch. I think if you don't know how to methodically defend yourself and you try to go clueless route you try for flat out clueless. She provided content about Ausuka based on meta and 'decided' to forgot about Ausuka's confirmed status. It's not intuitive to make lies like that. The purpose of first part, providing meta content on Ausuka, gets nullified by the second part, forgetting about IC role. Doing something like that isn't really basic defense.

If she is generally bad at defending herself I highly doubt she would try to defend herself like that. She can be scum and she can be clueless but i doubt something like this would be intentional.

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

She's a lurker, timing will never be good with lurkers. Will probably have to check her iso to see if she acknowledged Ausuka before.
Have you seen her make this kind of counter-intuitive defense before?

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

Cant she be clueless scum?

It the same with scum accidentally mixing names of their scummates I think. If scum confuses players it more likely that said players are town.

I could buy scum Lalendra pushing narrative about Pine lurking becuase his team was caught, even though Pine has been lurking starting D1 and it never got better. But not IC. That's p important info for scum.
I mean, yeah it possible if she doesn't even read scum PT. I'm pretty sure Ausuka was discussed as possible nk.

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

[Scioness Sajj]

Hi I'm still here!

Hi guys.

Hi sorry I'm still here lol.

Sorry, I'm still here lol.

Ahhh, I'm not good at big numbers of people lol.

Hi sorry I do still exist!

Hi I'm here sorry

yes, we are aware you are around.

what do you think of PP now? do you still scumread him? what about Golden Robster?

hmm are you reading the game? a lot happened past few pages.

yeah, some stuff has happened. read it up and let me know what you think

???

That makes sense I guess.

Explain

Them being masons make sense. Because they're, you know, not yelling at each other.

Btw, I'm sooo abusing that conf!town is calling me obvtown

Conf town doesn’t mean right town

But it does mean not scum buddies!

I mean this. I don't understand. Who is not scumbuddies with who?

ok, you can be town here

[Scioness Sajj]

which from those do you want me to expand on?

[Scioness Sajj]

I think he is reacting well to the pressure. I don't think he is trying to prove anything here. I don't think he is lurking as badly as he was in that splatoon game.

[Scioness Sajj]

since i'm quoting. reminder of how texcat handled d2 wagons.

The fact that Wheme, Lalendra, and Mylo are on PP also points towards PP town. They’re either scum joining on, or town that is being used a scum sheep votes for scum.

Wheme likely has the worst ISO in this game, to be honest. We had Wave, who I think is town, alongside the masons and Penguin being the only ones on the Wheme wagon initially when PP was picking up steam.

Have you looked at Mylo's ISO? Have you looked at ArcAngel's ISO (though it has improved somewhat with BrawlGuy's replace in)?

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

I have this sneaking suspicion that scum is controlling this game. Perhaps it's just my bad gut. The one advantage that town has over scum is numbers. And we give up that advantage when so many players are not playing.

Yesterday when we started consolidating wagons, it looked like it was going to be either Performer or Wavemode. And then it actually ended up being Performer and Android. And today, it looked like it was going to be Penguin and Robster, but now it's looking like Penguin and Wheme. Based on this alone, I'd say Wavemode and Robster are likely scum.

What about Mylo?

@mod

What are the chances for a deadline extension? With 22 alive, we need 12 to lynch. If we assume that 5 or 6 of the 22 are scum, then that leaves only 16 or 17 townies available to lynch scum. And we have ETL waiting to be replaced, Pine totally MIA, and Frozen Angel still missing after her VLA ended yesterday. If those 3 happen to be town, then town is going to have to be almost unanimous in their vote, or rely on scum bussing, in order to lynch scum.

[Scioness Sajj]

texcat's tunnel also affects my mylo read.

[Scioness Sajj]

Since the start of the day he's said nothing except for really general stuff and hasn't been able to expand on it. The one time he responded to Wave asking him to explain his scumreads (which were just 'his wagon') he said 'The lack of anything to townread about them lol.' Which is clearly not a reason.

Mylo hasn't posted any real content in D3 so far.

that's why i said that you should read Mylo's town games.

[Scioness Sajj]

Since the start of the day he's said nothing except for really general stuff and hasn't been able to expand on it. The one time he responded to Wave asking him to explain his scumreads (which were just 'his wagon') he said 'The lack of anything to townread about them lol.' Which is clearly not a reason.

Mylo hasn't posted any real content in D3 so far.

that's why i said that you should read Mylo's town games.

At which point I asked what you thought was in his town game's that makes him town. Specifically. Which you're responding to with 'read his town games', probably to avoid explaining it.

jesus dude

i have already explained why i think he is town, after you asked me, you are not getting more.

i told you to read his town game because you have said you have seen his scum pt. you have made a point about his scum game that you think make him scum but it doesn't work like that if he does similar things as town.

[Scioness Sajj]

i'm fine wiith my vote

[Scioness Sajj]

maybe you should let me bus tex and vote her?

[Scioness Sajj]

creature> mylo> lalendra

[Scioness Sajj]

i don't think i play differently here than how you played in labyrinth, minus the posting.

don't think anything is viable as long as ''scum'' is on the wagon, texcat's gained 3 votes at its peak

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: creature

[Scioness Sajj]

Also curious if anybody TRs Dunn?

I do, yes.

also, fuck it, VOTE: gamma. i definitely tr lala's recent posts and while creature is still an acceptable lynch, I'm shifting more town there too

more town where? on gamma wagon?

[Scioness Sajj]

right

[Scioness Sajj]

I consider everybody below 200 posts that is not a replacement a luker

Dave/fa/sky are treated sort of like conf town because of Dave's replacement

[Scioness Sajj]

Is it? Idk I consider myself a lurker and so everybody also below my post count is also a lurker

[Scioness Sajj]

Is really 200 post on day 3 in 25 people game unreasonable?

[Scioness Sajj]

this feels more like d1 then d2.

is intent needed?

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: lalendra

[Scioness Sajj]

remember that one time A18 was a counterwagon to performer and never really went anywhere

[Scioness Sajj]

anka

[Scioness Sajj]

don't worry time for scum to push me will eventually come.

[Scioness Sajj]

what a race

VOTE: texcat

[Scioness Sajj]

PP is town for being counter-wagon to wheme.

explain to me what makes you think that PP wagon that started before's wheme's and was reanimated by KK makes PP town?

[Scioness Sajj]

I think scion is pretty scummy to be honest; a combination of poe, hammer on town and then a string of posts about how he was unsure about lalendra followed by potential hammer sitting

you have been scumreading me from d1 and all you have to say is that i have hammered my townread?

[Scioness Sajj]

Feels like a tug of war going on.

then join the generally town read players voting Scionness.

yeah worked out great last time

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: scioness

Has there been any set-up spec talk regarding the likelihood behind three town neighbors vs two town neighbors one scum neighbor? Especially with the mason pair in the mix I'm not sure what to think of that.

nice meme

are you still sheeping and if you are then who

[Scioness Sajj]

5 people on my wagon has never stated any reasons lol

[Scioness Sajj]

no one is hammering before hopkirk gives final list.

btw, texcat hasn't posted yet, so although I don't think texcat would ninja a hammer, let's not l-1 scion kthxbai

if she's scum and sajj is town then absolutely she would

don't think scum would yolo hammer me, especially not tex

tex was pushing lala for that lylo thing but after i called it out she didn't even joined the wagon

[Scioness Sajj]

@scion, How would you respond if their reasons were "Holy shit" and "Dear god just look at it"?

eh i probably wouldn't respond at all

[Scioness Sajj]

dude

[Scioness Sajj]

I view PP as damn near conftown. So that doesn't really help @TBG.

what you thinking PP is conftown(???) has to do with that particular situation?

[Scioness Sajj]

i don't think i have enough willpower for this game

[Scioness Sajj]

going on voting strike, since my vote is of no use anyway
VOTE: unvote
texcat still scum

dunn is 'eh okay' kind of vote, don't have a read on him really

will probably catch up later today

[Scioness Sajj]

I think scion is pretty scummy to be honest; a combination of poe, hammer on town and then a string of posts about how he was unsure about lalendra followed by potential hammer sitting

you have been scumreading me from d1 and all you have to say is that i have hammered my townread?

do you want me to case you?

also creature switched wagon so getting good vibes from this

sure

[Scioness Sajj]

Liking my vote for non-sheeping reasons upon reread.

Is anyone still scumreading mylo? Because the discussion on that sort of stalled out mid-D3

would you share those reasons? also on dunn, tex and tbg since you don't like them either.

[Scioness Sajj]

Gamma I might need to reread. Tex I'm fairly happy on.

I feel like bussing scum wouldn't leave the Scion wagon here. It also grew a lot quicker than a lot of other wagons. Want to compare it to Vax/Rob's other votes/wagoning.

what makes you happy about texcat

very serious question

please answer thank you

[Scioness Sajj]

by him you mean tex or mylo?
does 'i've failed to see any substance from the texcat pushers' mean that you don't remember the post or you think they are bad

[Scioness Sajj]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

[Scioness Sajj]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

i don't like dunn wagon anymore

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

reasons?
any reads?

[Scioness Sajj]

the problem with me doing this is that

most of it will be ignored lol

[Scioness Sajj]

@anka, you should enjoy this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwML2PagbY

[Scioness Sajj]

I kind of feel like just ignoring everyone on the Wheme wagon for now.

I could go for Vax.

don't think vax is scum based on wheme's iso

[Scioness Sajj]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

umm okay but scum!dunn would know wheme is scum?

[Scioness Sajj]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

umm okay but scum!dunn would know wheme is scum?

which is all the more reason scum!dunn would be aware how much flak he would take for the policy defense of his buddy wheme, no?

are you asking me or correcting what you wrote?