NY 213 - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #23

Golden Robster (3) - Flavor Leaf (2774), PenguinPower (2775), Gamma Emerald (2839)
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (1) - Andriod18 (2533)
WhemeStar (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (1) - Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (1) - Pine (1936)
Texcat (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (0) -
Vaxkiller (1) - Kublai Khan (2423)
Wavemode (1) - TehBrawlGuy (2690)
PenguinPower (4) - EspeciallyTheLies (1996), Myloninja13 (2437), Lalendra (2809), Creature (2835)
Myloninja13 (3) - Vaxkiller (2472), Texcat (2552), Ausuka (2574)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (2542)
Not Voting (6) - Frozen Angel, Scioness Sajj, JarJarDrinks (2755), Hopkirk (2782), Golden Robster (2783), Wavemode (2800)

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Frozen Angel is V/LA until July 11.
Seeking a replacement for EspeciallyTheLies.
Prodded Pine. He has (expired on 2018-07-12 09:49:40) to respond in-thread.
If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) --> WhemeStar (2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) --> Flavor Leaf (2642) --> (Null) (2783)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423)
WhemeStar: Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) --> Flavor Leaf (2542)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782)
Gamma Emerald: Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) --> Flavor Leaf (2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) --> Flavor Leaf (2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) --> Flavor Leaf (2327) --> (Null) (2612) --> Flavor Leaf (2640) --> (Null) (2755)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy: (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690)
Vaxkiller: WhemeStar (2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) --> Flavor Leaf (2635) --> (Null) (2800)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) --> Flavor Leaf (2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775)
Myloninja13: PenguinPower (2437)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Golden Robster]

Yet you all forced the second mason to claim. There was literally no reason for it.

yes because people scumread you for being scummy what a suprise ho ho ho

do you get my sarcasm?

[Lalendra]

I was already conf town before. Now I’m confirmed conf town.

I...what

[Golden Robster]

Meh: JJD, FL, Texcat, AA9, Whemestar

[Golden Robster]

I would like to go Penguin or GROB today. Lalendra could be scum, but like Mylo, I think that’s better for another day.

You have a very weak reason to scum read me based on my history with you, and you know it.

If we can get a GR wagon going, I will be glad to lynch that.

Mylo is scum though.

VOTE: Golden Rob

mylo is scum but you're voting me?

[Scioness Sajj]

Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Thos something to look back at if GRob flips scum.

I 100% agree with what Dunn said. Dunn is lock town from my perspective.

do you have a reason to think that Dunn would trust you on your word alone?
i have no problem with Dunn's apporach on it's own, but i do think this is telling if rob was scum gambiting.

[Scioness Sajj]

If second mason claims,
I will hard defend Mylo, because Mylo is obv town.

How's mylo obvtown? How much expirence do you have with him?

[Golden Robster]

Um. He faked claimed mason and then didn't give a reason when asked why he did it? Didn't really care until mason were actually confirmed.

nice misrep though

was hoping FL would engage me throughout that; it would of helped me gauge him

his response to my gambit that I was interested in

[Scioness Sajj]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

This is extremely passive stance, is this normal? You expect Flavor to fake claim, you think it's nai and that's about it.

[Golden Robster]

it doesn't matter if you're mason or not, we don't know this so stop acting like everybody pushing you was scum

softclaiming strong PR and saying you would be conf!town while acting scummy (gave prior reasoning suggesting that you were town doing this) which lead to you being pushed and wagoned isn't my fault so stop acting like a crybaby

then when I claimed as your mason partner i was hoping for three options

A) you responding to my gambit (accepting it)
B) not responding to my gambit (no validation)
C) responding to my gambit and saying I'm a liar

the fact that you didn't respond to my gambit meant that I had to retract which meant that the wagon continued which then meant you outed your mason partner

why do you think scum!GR does all of this in return for spotlight attention and votes?

[Golden Robster]

to be clear I was hoping for

A) you responding to my gambit (accepting it)

protecting masons is important is good play but you not responding to me didn't help at all

[Golden Robster]

literally posted a minute after you; all I needed was one post validating my fakeclaim

that's it

[Golden Robster]

Yet you all forced the second mason to claim. There was literally no reason for it.

It would have EASILY been confirmed in a day or two. Never do that again.

THERE WAS NO REASON FOR YOU TO SOFTCLAIM STRONG PR AND SAY YOU WOULD BE CONFTOWN

[Scioness Sajj]

I’m also town reading this Scion fella.

if you are town reading me for not pushing your partner to claim then i have not done it intentionally

[Scioness Sajj]

I need to stop readin, will be back in an hour.

Flavor - why didn't you vote in the neighborhood D1. Didn't you suspect it is likely scum would be in the hood since you are mason?

No. I actually think there isn’t scum in he neighborhood, despite Wave’s play his day phase.

Me being a mason is exactly why i wanted the neighborhood to be left alone for a bit so i could analyze more.

The vengeful modifier in the neighborhood, along with masons and IC in the Neighbor is basically begging that Vengeful to shoot Wave, and from a setup design perspective, I can’t see that slot being scum really. I also town read Wave, and right now I’m probably just seeing Wave as scummy out of spite for being obnoxious.

Wave’s still on my wagon, and i wouldn’t mind lynching there, but I’m gonna go after the other people, but i would join Wave if need be, if that makes sense.

that's fair.

[Golden Robster]

I crumb more as scum than town.

I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

I’m never getting lynched this game.

I can conftown myself this game.

I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

[Golden Robster]

he's softclaiming a strong PR

if he's vt, then he's acting as a decent nk bait

if he's actually pr, then he's painting a big target on himself (unlikely)

if he's scum then he's bringing unneeded attention to himself by acting scummy and saying he'll be conftown

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Actually maybe Rob has a point

[Scioness Sajj]

I've made four or five reads lists so far this game. Not even Flavour Leaf actually noticed the crumb.

weird way to crumb. having somebody that isn't participating much as null doesn't really look like crumbing.

[Scioness Sajj]

i mean he was jumping through your readlist but you know what i mean

[Gamma Emerald]

I've made four or five reads lists so far this game. Not even Flavour Leaf actually noticed the crumb.

weird way to crumb. having somebody that isn't participating much as null doesn't really look like crumbing.

It was the way the name was written

[Golden Robster]

I think today need some to be GROB vs Penguin.

not doing this gladiator shit even though pp is being hella scummy right now

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Actually maybe Rob has a point

yes I do have a point because talk to me scum motivation for fakeclaiming mason partner then retracting before he engages?

[PenguinPower]

Um. He faked claimed mason and then didn't give a reason when asked why he did it? Didn't really care until mason were actually confirmed.

nice misrep though

was hoping FL would engage me throughout that; it would of helped me gauge him

his response to my gambit that I was interested in

Not a misrep...I didn't see it.

it doesn't matter if you're mason or not, we don't know this so stop acting like everybody pushing you was scum

softclaiming strong PR and saying you would be conf!town while acting scummy (gave prior reasoning suggesting that you were town doing this) which lead to you being pushed and wagoned isn't my fault so stop acting like a crybaby

then when I claimed as your mason partner i was hoping for three options

A) you responding to my gambit (accepting it)
B) not responding to my gambit (no validation)
C) responding to my gambit and saying I'm a liar

the fact that you didn't respond to my gambit meant that I had to retract which meant that the wagon continued which then meant you outed your mason partner

why do you think scum!GR does all of this in return for spotlight attention and votes?

I guess this could make sense sense, but fake claiming as town is just bad. I mean, you didn't know that he was mason, so I don't get what you were hoping for if A) occurred; don't get why you voted and pushed when B) did occur; or, what you hoped for if C) occurred.

Why does town!GR do this to begin with?

[Scioness Sajj]

I want to look through Lovebird and Scion to see what their activity looks like as other alignments.
I need to reread Robster at some point. He's a good candidate for active scum.
If I had to sort Pine, I'd say town.
Wheme/Lalendra/ArcTBG aren't likely to be leaving my scumpool.
Android I want to reread.
Mylo/KK I can leave.

I'm active as both alignments, slightly less I scum I guess. I have four games finished but none of them have as low activity level as this one.