Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Dunnstral]

thinking it’s a possibility she did not submit anything :-/

I think it proves scum roleblocker

[Ankamius]

or scum were confident they wouldn't be targeted

[Dunnstral]

...but nobody else died

[YT2980]

thinking it’s a possibility she did not submit anything :-/

I think it proves scum roleblocker

possibly. or it could be she submitted no night action. she seemed kinda checked out last day phase, especially towards the end.

[Dunnstral]

I think she would have submitted an action

[Kokichi Oma]

Good analysis there, Kaito. Ultimate Astronaut level breakdown.

[wilky]

Let's do what we should've done yesterday
VOTE: Dunn

@kaede show why I'm scum or I'll be willing to lynch you too.

[Alchemist21]

Lol

[Dunnstral]

Just ignore him

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

hey! today's an easy one. i guess GIF didn't expect my role to live this long! haha!

alchemist just needs to be on the lynch bandwagon. that's it.

reward: his alignment will be copped and sent to a random player

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

VOTE: wilky

i dont understand why the only proper cop in the game is a miller

[Alchemist21]

thinking it’s a possibility she did not submit anything :-/

I think it proves scum roleblocker

I agree with Dunn. Kaede’s post history shows she’s been constantly active since the Night Phase started. There’s no way she forgot about this game. It’s weird YT keeps pushing the “she didn’t act” perspective.

I’m conflicted on Wilky. He has a pretty convenient cover for why he has no results yet, but the biggest thing making it hard to see himas scum is that Miller counterclaim. I do remember others thinking he backed off it pretty easily though. I need to reread his early posts.

[Alchemist21]

"Wooooooo we gottem boys!"

Ventriloquist, Second-Gen Synth (

Institute Factional Ability Swapper

), was terminated via mob lynching Day 1.

Spoiler: Role PM

Second-Gen Synth

Welcome to Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition!

You are

Second-Gen Synth (

Institute Factional Ability Swapper

)

.

A common Institute mook.

---

Abilities:

• Bodyswap:
  At any point of the game, you may switch your role with your factional members by PMing the mod.

---

Win Condition

• Take control of half of the alive players, or when it can not be prevented.

@Mod, Would this role have switched the players' flavors too?

[Kokichi Oma]

@kaede show why I'm scum or I'll be willing to lynch you too.

This was too funny.

[Alchemist21]

I'm also going to hardclaim miller here and the miller has a flavour name too so i'd like to put the question to dave on what's the flavour name of your miller role.

Until then
VOTE: Davesaz

I mean I brought up the flavour thing and even pointed to which part of the PM it is contained within. As scum I wouldn't know that information if everyone wants me to claim first then that's fine by me.

I was also working off the assumption that there would only be 1 miller tbh and was aiming to catch dave out already but going by what's been said 2 millers is something the mod would definitely do so i'm now beginning to believe both me and dave are millers here.

So he gave Dave an out despite his assumption that there would only be 1 miller. Beyond mod meta I don't think anyone has any reason to think 2 millers and it sounds like Wilky hadn't even thought there could be 2 millers until other people suggested it.

So we're just assuming that safe claims are given now?

Like this is SUCH an "I'm scum and didn't have fakeclaims" response.

From the flips we can tell most of the scum didn't have fakeclaims.

RC was also the one who kept suggesting GiF would eventually do 1 Town Miller and 1 scum Miller, although iirc people cited multiple GiF games with multiple Town Millers and hasn't broken the meta yet. Maybe RC was right though...

Hey, someone with time and nothing better to do:

Find games GiF's run with multiple millers.
Crossreference playerlists with wilky/dave.
Find any other games with wilky/dave and multiple millers.

Link all of those for me to go through.

TYIA

~Jingle

I can make this slightly easier for whoever does this if anyone. This is my first game with any sort of miller i'm sure so there won't be any with me and multiple millers.

This makes it even weirder that the out was given. I imagine someone with 0 miller experience doesn't ever expect 2 millers to be in a game.

I think a full flavor claim from Wilky is in order. I'm willing to vote him at this point. Kinda wish I'd waited for Wilky's claim before asking the mod that question.

VOTE: Wilky

[YT2980]

OnTheMark, Strong (

Commonwealth Strong Roleblocker

), was killed Night 4.

Spoiler: Role PM

Strong

Welcome to Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition!

You are

Strong (

Commonwealth Strong Roleblocker

)

.

Strong wanders to find the secret of human strength - the milk of human kindness.

---

Abilities:

• STRONG SMASH!:
  Your action precedes ALL action resolution.
  
• HUMANS WEAK!:
  Your target is roleblocked for the night.

---

Win Condition

• Eliminate all who are sided with the
  Institute

Kaede Akamatsu received a quest to help out the settlements!

Day 5 deadline: (expired on 2018-06-26 17:15:26)

thinking it’s a possibility she did not submit anything :-/

I think it proves scum roleblocker

I agree with Dunn. Kaede’s post history shows she’s been constantly active since the Night Phase started. There’s no way she forgot about this game. It’s weird YT keeps pushing the “she didn’t act” perspective.

I’m conflicted on Wilky. He has a pretty convenient cover for why he has no results yet, but the biggest thing making it hard to see himas scum is that Miller counterclaim. I do remember others thinking he backed off it pretty easily though. I need to reread his early posts.

i had never played with kaede before this game, so i don’t know how a checked-out mentality would affect her during the night phase; i’ve seen disinterested townplayers fail to submit night actions quite a few times when they’ve felt checked out before—so that was my basis along with other theories presented below.

and, for the record, i do feel it’s quite plausible there’s a scum roleblocking variant, but i’m having a tough time thinking it’s a roleblocker strictly and that’s because of otm’s role flip. 2 roleblockers—1 for town and 1 for scum—hardly makes sense at all in a game where no power role action similarities have been drawn yet (in claims or flips). looking at the flips in gif’s iso and claims posted in kaede’s 5085, closest I see as far as role actions go is projectmatt’s rolecop and wilky’s miller slow cop, but those are clearly quite different roles. and, of course the miller aspects but the problem i have is that those are modifiers that do not directly affect a particular player’s night actions, just how they’d show up upon being investigated, so i can’t count them as similar night actions. nothing leads me to think a roleblocking ability would be the exception to the rule.


besides, if we do actually hypothesize that there IS indeed a scum roleblocker variant in play, then wouldn’t that imply wilky is almost confirmably town? i’m conflicted right now on how that would imply he’s scum. the only plausible theory i can gather is that he would be the scum roleblocker-variant himself, but that doesn’t make sense because nobody else claims to have been tampered with from what i know, so what scum incentive could he be catering to given the evidence we have? it’s making less sense the more i sit and think about it.

since i posit that a scum roleblocker variant is looking likelier, then i feel safe elevating wilky up a slot on my town-to-scum hill ahead of kokichi, because he’s the direct proof from which we derived the theory of there being one in the first place, and kaede submitting no night action is unlikely. hoping to lock someone else in as town as this day phase progresses. i’m thinking alchemist is probably who that would be, but i need to iso him again.

regardless, i’m not in favor of a quicklynch today, so let’s mind that wilky is presently

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colored reads coming in a sec

[Kokichi Oma]

UNVOTE: wilky

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wilky's play does admittedly feel off which is why i can't quite bring myself to townread him, but theory about there being a scum roleblocker in play--if further supported--is a convincing clear for him.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, I don't want to lynch Wilky, I don't think roleblocker is a clear for him though since he could be roleblocker himself

[wilky]

@alchemist - If you read my full ISO you'd see i've fully claimed everything.

Nick Valentine is my character and I am a Miller Slow cop

N1/2 - Mariar - No results
N3/4 - Ram/YT - No results
N5- ??? Not going to say who I went for night 5.

[Alchemist21]

besides, if we do actually hypothesize that there IS indeed a scum roleblocker variant in play, then wouldn’t that imply wilky is almost confirmably town? i’m conflicted right now on how that would imply he’s scum. the only plausible theory i can gather is that he would be the scum roleblocker-variant himself, but that doesn’t make sense because nobody else claims to have been tampered with from what i know, so what scum incentive could he be catering to given the evidence we have? it’s making less sense the more i sit and think about it.

I have considered this too, and if Wilky's scum, he's been deliberately not acting every other Night to maintain cover. I'm hoping a flavor claim and perhaps the mod's answer to my question can help clear things up.

P-edit: Nick Valentine? That makes a lot of sense actually. I was looking through some characters on the wiki and he was one I found. He's actually a synth based on a former human who was a detective, but due to having the original Nick's memories he believed he really was Nick and defected from the institute with another synth named DiMA.

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

nobody else claims to have been tampered with from what i know

I mean

They roleblock wilky every other night

And then they just fire it randomly and hit vts while searching for prs

We know Kaede was roleblocked, unless I'm missing somethng

The only weird thing is RMOJ never being roleblocked

[Alchemist21]

The only weird thing is RMOJ never being roleblocked

Well, there was a point where he was nearly lynched. Perhaps scum are hoping to keep that option open, and if they block him it would become obvious that he was blocked and therefore Town.

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: YT

[Alchemist21]

Wilky - Miller Slow cop (MariaR, MariaR (Failed), ???, ??? (Failed))
Me - Innocent Child with the ability to copy actions (Ouroboros, Kokichi, MariaR, No Action)
Yt - ????
Ankamius - ????
punreader - Non Weak Hider (No action, Forgot, Forgot, Kokichi)
Dunnstral - ????
Kokichi - ????
davesaz - Miller
Alchemist - Some sort of item giver (????, Impossibear (Strongwilled), ????, ????)
RMOJ - Quest giver (Impossibear (Public day cop), Ouroboros (Permanent BP), Me/MariaR (Commuter for 3 nights in a row), Me (Deathproof for 3 cycles(?) in a row))

Kaede actually claimed No Action for one of the Nights so it actually is possible she took No Action last Night.