NY 213 - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

He has made one post so far. I can't quote it of course but it was pregame or close to it, I can't remember, and had literally 0 game-related content, or any real content at all.

Basically equivalent to his content in-thread tbh

[Hopkirk]

Yeah. I'd lean towards Wave scum you/Performer town then.
Assuming it's not a poorly concieved triple scum fakeclaim gambit that dies to prs

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: see 1004 for A/B.
Why does wave not being bought up before matter?

Because it feels strange as heck that he just pops up as the hot topic

[Gamma Emerald]

Given neighbors can be mafia, who are you with?
3p is like 90% including mafia. 4+ I assume is even more likely. Mafia would also know these people are neigbors given daytalk and no third parties.
2p seems odd/improbable in a 25p game.

idk about 2p hoods, I need to check the setup generation on another of Ircher's games, which had a lot of hoods

[Hopkirk]

It's confirmed 3p

[Gamma Emerald]

I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

He has made one post so far. I can't quote it of course but it was pregame or close to it, I can't remember, and had literally 0 game-related content, or any real content at all.

Basically equivalent to his content in-thread tbh

Yeah I can see the point against wavemode here, though it may not be the one you're making

[Hopkirk]

I feel like you're missing and/or misinterpreting a lot in the last couple of pages Gamma.

[Ausuka]

I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?

Well I think it is to some extent, yeah, although it's more the ungenuine AtE that comes along with it that I find scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you're missing and/or misinterpreting a lot in the last couple of pages Gamma.

what then?

I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?

Well I think it is to some extent, yeah, although it's more the ungenuine AtE that comes along with it that I find scummy.

Okay. That makes sense.

[Vaxkiller]

Quick association ISO:

- Osuka doesnt mention Vox even once

- Vox says one thing about Osuka:

I have no read on Osuka but I could vote there, but I would prefer GoldenRob. Is tehre a case on osuka or just the typical Day 1 lynchmob?

Says he would vote there but tries to subtlety hint that the wagon isnt good.

Love to hear you explain how I'm scum when the flip town.

[Vaxkiller]

You are not on my town list nor are on anyone elses.

Poppycock!!

rtft

No ones hard defending you or convincing me otherwise including you!

Well no shit no one's hard defending me. How tf does that have anything to do w/ ur read on me?

Like are u basically saying that you're voting me cuz it's easiest?

Like isn't that some straight ass backwards thinking?

Scum are always harder to lynch than town because they have people on their side.

The fact that no one is hard defending me should lead Vax to townread me, not scumread me.

not necessarily my guy. maybe in a newbie but definitely not here

nice wifom though

It's crap reasoning. According to that reasoning, scum NEVER bus.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you're missing and/or misinterpreting a lot in the last couple of pages Gamma.

what then?

I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?

Well I think it is to some extent, yeah, although it's more the ungenuine AtE that comes along with it that I find scummy.

Okay. That makes sense.

After some backtracking to old games when would you say you developed this mindset Ausuka?

[Ausuka]

Don't really remember?

Yes, I know you claimed for no reason in FN6 and that is an example of town doing it. I still believe it is generally something scum are more likely to do. The reason for this is that there's no good town motivation. Like, your claim made it easier for scum to find the jailkeeper and town gained nothing. It's just something I think scum would be more willing to do in general than town.

[ArcAngel9]

this long day 1 is killing me... Anyone tell me why Osuka is scum?

[wavemode]

I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?

Well I think it is to some extent, yeah, although it's more the ungenuine AtE that comes along with it that I find scummy.

wait... what?

You're the one who told everyone I'm a Town neighbor lmao

*outs my role*

"wavemode is scummy for outing his role"

Sorry this cracked me up more than it should have

[Hopkirk]

Ausuka clearly means by 'mechanical level' that VT/Neighbor are better lynches than potential pr lynches.

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #24

Performer (3) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Creature (898), Kublai Khan (957)
Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (1) - Vaxkiller (678)
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (2) - Scioness Sajj (406), JarJarDrinks (842)
Lalendra (0) -
Davesaz (0) -
JarJarDrinks (2) - Myloninja13 (326), Andriod18 (855)

Osuka (6) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Pine (176), Almost50 (390), TheRampage (681), Wavemode (867)

Andriod18 (0) -
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (604)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (602), Gamma Emerald (710)
Wavemode (3) - Ausuka (998), Hopkirk (999), Davesaz (1014)
TheRampage (2) - Osuka (771), Performer (909)
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (2) - Flavor Leaf, Lalendra (559)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
Myloninja13 V/LA until Friday, June 29 (?).

As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) --> Ausuka (317) --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710)
Ausuka: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz: Wavemode (1014)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) --> Ausuka (842)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771)
Texcat: Osuka (79)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867)
TheRampage: Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj: Ausuka (406)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

[Ircher]

Prodding TheRampage (2d 7h). They have (expired on 2018-06-27 17:38:49) to respond in-thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't really remember?

Yes, I know you claimed for no reason in FN6 and that is an example of town doing it. I still believe it is generally something scum are more likely to do. The reason for this is that there's no good town motivation. Like, your claim made it easier for scum to find the jailkeeper and town gained nothing. It's just something I think scum would be more willing to do in general than town.

Was actually thinking about Mini Normal 1908 but that's also something.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ausuka clearly means by 'mechanical level' that VT/Neighbor are better lynches than potential pr lynches.

Altough wavemode is right the circumstances are different. He had his role partially outed, Rampage did not.

[Kublai Khan]

The most recent vote by Khan - why?

The hop onto TheRampage looked opportunistic af.

Plus I went back and re-read 432.

@wavemode - Why do you feel like Days 1,2,3 don't matter? Have you seriously never lynch scum on Day 1?

'm neighbours with Performer and wavemode. I'm confident wave is scum and once we lynch him and he flips red me and performer can function as masons.

Huh. Now, generally I'd say it's very common that if a three person neighbor team pops up in a large, there's going to be some immediate thinking of "there's a strong chance one of them is scum". So if you were the scum in the trio, would you lurk like crazy or would you be trying hard to get on people's townlists?

Because Wavemode is the former and Performer and you are the latter.

Also, why didn't you come out with the information sooner?

neighbourhoods are NAI. I'm not scumreading wave because I'm in a hood with him and a townread, I scumread him based on play.

Ugggh.

[osuka]

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

[wavemode]

@wavemode - Why do you feel like Days 1,2,3 don't matter? Have you seriously never lynch scum on Day 1?

i'm largely disillusioned with large normal early games in general, after slogging through a few of them now. i'm just not particularly motivated right now to follow 50 pages of content and 10000 different conversations about meaningless things

let's be honest, day 1 read accuracy in a large is going to be roughly as good as rolling dice. day 1

lynch

accuracy is going to be much worse than that because if a wagon is correct scum will be trying to derail it and if it's incorrect they will be throwing fuel on its fire.

this is all made worse by the fact that the sheer volume of content of a 25p drowns out any one individual's voice. in the grand scheme of things, even if i had fire reads today, i'd never get this town to agree on lynching them anyway, and then they would just get rid of me and move on

my point isn't to not try - i am analyzing the game to a degree. my point is I'm not going to get bent out of shape about day 1 when it's not that effective or consequential and most people's reads are based on flimsy meta, regardless

as for day 2 and 3 it largely depends on who dies and how many die and such. saying day 3 doesn't matter is, okay, an exaggeration on my part. even if it's still a 21p at that point, we'd at least have VCA and possible investigative results to look at

[Performer]

Confirming ausuka’s statement, I’m indeed in a neighborhood with wave & ausuka. I even did a really cool breadcrumb to someone earlier in the game, as a reaction test with mixed-in breadcrumb. Interesting that gamma was the only one pointing it out.

The fact that ausuka had the idea to out it, is a sign of town thought because it is risky for scum to do it with 2 other folks in the 3p hood.

@hopkirk we can only paraphrase, we cannot say a post exactly from there, according to mod rules. Wave posted once, with one word, and it wasn’t helpful. I’ve asked him at least once to contribute (so he could be better sorted), he never replied. Also, your sentence about me sorting the neighborhood being good if wave flips scum, needs to be corrected to me sorting the hood AND other people being good regardless of wave flipping scum. Anyway…. Lol. This is also why I’ve brought up ausuka so much. Wave has barely engaged, has been super defeatist, and will likely flip red.

Ausuka wanted to bring up the hood earlier in the day phase but I thought to myself that it wasn’t a good enough idea, because that defeated the purpose of it being a pt. I also thought I could see if I could sort the 2 of them in there and via the public thread, and see if they’d be consistent in thoughts, engage folks, cooperative. And today after seeing this stalling and pondering over pros and cons, ausuka & I said as a team effort to out the hood publicly.