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[Garmr]

Why are you the leading wagon if you're universally town read?

I said almost meaning a majority of people are town reading me or had me at null. But this is weak posting as you aren't avoiding making a real case and trying to push through a lynch with shade alone. Also you avoid my major points in 1122.

[Garmr]

1.Meta saying you would never postion yourself that way as scum is pretty much useless as it doesn't make everything null. Saying if you were ready to hammer invis or not also enforces my point about you waiting to see the out come; I would suspect in your town games you would of put some input about how you saw his claim or not, even a willingness to hammer to show the wagon would go through. Also it shows you can say anything day 2 to adjust to town. Nothing in your answer accounts for those.

2.484 does nothing to push the game forward and you didn't even use any information to push out any more information.

3.This reassures me how?

1. thats not meta. its a direct consequences of things ive said this game
2. you picked a stupid post to have this argument with. it was a rhetorical question to the whole that only one person responded to. i dont have to force people to engage with me.
3. coasting is whatever. its practically nai.

1.Why did you even bring up meta then? I said using meta as a defence is useless, my case isn't built on meta. But here's a question for you. If your actions direct consequences benefit a scum nos. Then why wouldn't I get the idea that you are scum? Shouldn't you be giving your town motivation to your actions or why it doesn't benefit scum nos, not arguing semantics of my point?

2.Was just one example. Find me a post where you actually did something with a line of questioning where it got results and I'll drop this point.

3. I think coasting can be alignment indicative when taken as a whole with someones play. Also If costing is nai then what do you think of tchill trying to say I was coasting (which I wasn't) as his only scum point?

[Garmr]

@Nos: The burden of proof is on your shoulders: Where do you have a townread that was presented in a persuasive way? You might be townhunting, but if so, then not in a way in which town could actually benefit from it.

@Garmr: Could you tell me about your read on Tommy? Why are you townreading him?

Should I address Perf? He seems to have thought Aristo was laughing at the idea that Gus was trying to make his replace out look town (as opposed to the typo I made.) He also seems to think that Gus replaced out b/c of being a toddler allegedly (alleged by Perf), not b/c he had RL issues, even though it's been pretty well established. (The first point is interesting, I guess. I'll ISO him during the weekend b/c I don't have time to do that earlier.)

Garmr, what is your read on Tommy?

I like tommy and town read him. I been town reading him for a while. I liked his nos push day 1 also i'm not 100% sure but I think can see some suspicion of tchill in his post 1040, but he looks like gathering information instead of making accusations straight away.

If you want me to expand on a little I can. I feel that he also has seems to drawn similar conclusions to me, I know I said same reads doesn't = same alignment earlier but it doesn't come across as if he wants to adjust his reads to me and I feel the situation is different.

[Garmr]

I said almost meaning a majority of people are town reading me or had me at null. But this is weak posting as you

are

avoiding making a real case and trying to push through a lynch with shade alone. Also you avoid my major points in 1122.

fixed

[Tchill13]

i want to TR garmr based off of effort. Im starting to feel this game slow down pretty good.

i think nos or garmr should be the lynch.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: nos

[Nosferatu]

@Nos: The burden of proof is on your shoulders: Where do you have a townread that was presented in a persuasive way? You might be townhunting, but if so, then not in a way in which town could actually benefit from it.

You're right. I don't feel that I need to cater the presentation of my reads to help the town.

if you think that's scummy you can lynch me.

[Nosferatu]

1.Why did you even bring up meta then? I said using meta as a defence is useless, my case isn't built on meta. But here's a question for you. If your actions direct consequences benefit a scum nos. Then why wouldn't I get the idea that you are scum? Shouldn't you be giving your town motivation to your actions or why it doesn't benefit scum nos, not arguing semantics of my point?

2.Was just one example. Find me a post where you actually did something with a line of questioning where it got results and I'll drop this point.

3. I think coasting can be alignment indicative when taken as a whole with someones play. Also If costing is nai then what do you think of tchill trying to say I was coasting (which I wasn't) as his only scum point?

1. To answer this your question, the reasons you scumread me are because your definition of towny play doesn't fit my playstyle which is whatever, I don't really care. I'm not arguing the semantics of your point, you think that (and correct me if I'm wrong):

- I was vague on my invis read to position myself to vote him.
- town!me would interact with the wagon that was going down instead of just watching.

This is bullshit because
- I was not vague on my invis read, and saying that I was positioning myself to vote is fucking dumb when I didn't even vote.
- town!me would not interact with the wagon, because I don't do that as either alignment. I have to bring up meta because you're asking me what I would do and I'm telling you that in the past I've never done that and thus why would I here? If you don't want meta in this then don't literally force me to bring it up.

2. Since you insist on this:
viewtopic.php?t=66305&f=54&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
Here is a game where I was town. You were in this game.
Find a line of questioning.

Lines of questionings are not things I do. They're pointless bullshit to make yourself look towny, they don't actually make you change reads because people inherently ask pointed questions. If you think that you need a line of questioning to be town, then lynch me, cause I'm scum then.

3. If you have to look at the rest of their play to find out if it's alignment indicative, then it's not really alignment indicative. I think Tchill is making a shitty point if he's taking your coasting to be a scum move, especially since you didn't even coast D1, you just weren't there.

[Garmr]

1.Why did you even bring up meta then? I said using meta as a defence is useless, my case isn't built on meta. But here's a question for you. If your actions direct consequences benefit a scum nos. Then why wouldn't I get the idea that you are scum? Shouldn't you be giving your town motivation to your actions or why it doesn't benefit scum nos, not arguing semantics of my point?

2.Was just one example. Find me a post where you actually did something with a line of questioning where it got results and I'll drop this point.

3. I think coasting can be alignment indicative when taken as a whole with someones play. Also If costing is nai then what do you think of tchill trying to say I was coasting (which I wasn't) as his only scum point?

1. To answer this your question, the reasons you scumread me are because your definition of towny play doesn't fit my playstyle which is whatever, I don't really care. I'm not arguing the semantics of your point, you think that (and correct me if I'm wrong):

- I was vague on my invis read to position myself to vote him.
- town!me would interact with the wagon that was going down instead of just watching.

This is bullshit because
- I was not vague on my invis read, and saying that I was positioning myself to vote is fucking dumb when I didn't even vote.
- town!me would not interact with the wagon, because I don't do that as either alignment. I have to bring up meta because you're asking me what I would do and I'm telling you that in the past I've never done that and thus why would I here? If you don't want meta in this then don't literally force me to bring it up.

2. Since you insist on this:
viewtopic.php?t=66305&f=54&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
Here is a game where I was town. You were in this game.
Find a line of questioning.

Lines of questionings are not things I do. They're pointless bullshit to make yourself look towny, they don't actually make you change reads because people inherently ask pointed questions. If you think that you need a line of questioning to be town, then lynch me, cause I'm scum then.

3. If you have to look at the rest of their play to find out if it's alignment indicative, then it's not really alignment indicative. I think Tchill is making a shitty point if he's taking your coasting to be a scum move, especially since you didn't even coast D1, you just weren't there.

1. Your missing the point and just dragging this in circles.
-I explained why it could of been taken as vague as he was in the middle of the list and you didn't update the read and you didn't mention him when he was getting lynch or showed indication of voting him.
-Sure meta away. But I feel you haven't had the same situation as this.

2. I literally had to confirm you as town that game with my cop powers. Also you made me read beeboys posts again groans. Also you seem to be more proactive with your stances and even defended a scum read of mine (it flipped scum). There's slight differences with that game and this one as well.

[Nosferatu]

this is tiring.

1. Your missing the point and just dragging this in circles.
-I explained why it could of been taken as vague as he was in the middle of the list and you didn't update the read and you didn't mention him when he was getting lynch or showed indication of voting him.
-Sure meta away. But I feel you haven't had the same situation as this.

2. I literally had to confirm you as town that game with my cop powers. Also you made me read beeboys posts again groans. Also you seem to be more proactive with your stances and even defended a scum read of mine (it flipped scum). There's slight differences with that game and this one as well.

1. How am I missing the point? Your point is dumb. It's not vague if he's in the middle of the list, that's fucking stupid. Vague would be if he wasn't on the list. Vague would be if I didn't make a list. Putting how I felt about him in a graphical format for ease of interpretation is not fucking vague. Before I made that list, I made no mention of my read on invis. If I wanted to position to vote invis, I would have literally just left him where he was. Saying that I was somehow fucking ambiguous about how I felt about it is disgusting, not to mention when you're saying that I positioned myself to vote invis

and then didn't vote invis. Like what the fuck?

But I feel you haven't had the same situation as this.

You don't get to say that though. Either you accept meta as an excuse for my actions, or don't use a point that I have to use meta to respond to.

2. What stances I had and is beside the point. There were no lines of questioning in that game yes or no?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

Garmr's town, Nos's scum.

VOTE: Nos

[PenguinPower]

Prodding teacher

[teacher]

Sorry about that, I had been following but didnt realize how long it had been since I posted. I agree with TChill's comment that the game has seriously slowed down, which makes me think scum is trying to make one of the lynch wagons feel inevitable, but I do want to reread Nos.

@GEO - My Performer reread including his beginning of Dw left me feeling better, but not much. Id now classify the slot as null. The slot's slippage from my early read was because of continued lurking, even my early read said performer would have been between an actual scum and a lurk read if it had not been for 211. After that, I felt Performer largely coasted until this morning.

[PenguinPower]

Prodding Not_Mafia

[wavemode]

garmr's town, nos is town, vote teacher for fun and profit

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 2.06

Nosferatu

(4): Garmr, Tommy Egan, Tchill13, Gosrir Elmer Odels

Garmr

(3): Not_Mafia, Nosferatu, Performer

teacher

(2): wavemode, BlueBloodedToffee

Aristophanes

(1): teacher

BlueBloodedToffee

(1): ByronVilla

Not Voting

(1): Aristophanes

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-07-05 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

• Performer V/LA on weekends
• teacher V/LA on weekends

[Performer]

This is the most involved I think I've ever seen from nos, because of the discussion with garm. Rereading it and trying to absorb it.

[Not_Mafia]

Lynch garmr

[Garmr]

Lynch garmr

Maybe you could get a lynch if you provided a case?

[Tchill13]

He's not gonna post much.

Guys who's scum nos or garmr? And why

[Garmr]

this is tiring.

1. Your missing the point and just dragging this in circles.
-I explained why it could of been taken as vague as he was in the middle of the list and you didn't update the read and you didn't mention him when he was getting lynch or showed indication of voting him.
-Sure meta away. But I feel you haven't had the same situation as this.

2. I literally had to confirm you as town that game with my cop powers. Also you made me read beeboys posts again groans. Also you seem to be more proactive with your stances and even defended a scum read of mine (it flipped scum). There's slight differences with that game and this one as well.

1. How am I missing the point? Your point is dumb. It's not vague if he's in the middle of the list, that's fucking stupid. Vague would be if he wasn't on the list. Vague would be if I didn't make a list. Putting how I felt about him in a graphical format for ease of interpretation is not fucking vague. Before I made that list, I made no mention of my read on invis. If I wanted to position to vote invis, I would have literally just left him where he was. Saying that I was somehow fucking ambiguous about how I felt about it is disgusting, not to mention when you're saying that I positioned myself to vote invis

and then didn't vote invis. Like what the fuck?

But I feel you haven't had the same situation as this.

You don't get to say that though. Either you accept meta as an excuse for my actions, or don't use a point that I have to use meta to respond to.

2. What stances I had and is beside the point. There were no lines of questioning in that game yes or no?

1.If you don't get my point you're dumb or playing dumb I think it's the latter. The way you wrote the list would could be the same or a read change to null unlike your two previous scum read who are clearly represented as scum. Also you keep cherry picking points to try and shake off my argument.

A.You keeped silent about your intent to vote him or not. Fact
B.You were in a position due to your actions to jump on his wagon or not. Fact
C. You can't deny the fact it doesn't benefit a scum or put a town intent and you haven't tried to argue these points. Fact
D1.Instead of focusing on the core argument you focus on the word choice saying I found your reads vague (which I found you were). Fact
D2.Even if you show you weren't vague Facts A and B are the stronger points and stand on there own don't try to present my argument as crumbling by cherry picking.

Actually now I think about it.

{invis, GEO, performer} can go.

You never actually said you scum read invis you just said he could go. That could of been for any amount of reasons Like you could of null read him and wanted him out to be sorted or a policy lynch ect. Also you said geo and performer weren't your top scum reads either. So that leaves us with two situations

-Invis was your so called top scum read and you didn't react to his wagon or his lynch and held back
-Invis wasn't your so called top scum read and you never mentioned your top scum read or voted for him/her. Showing you didn't care about lynching your top scum read at all. If you actually had one

Neither of these scream town to me.

2.So my original point is you

484 does nothing to push the game forward and you didn't even use any information to push out any more information.

You twisted and warped the response so you can bash a strawman argument I have never made. My argument wasn't that town you would have no lines of questioning. It's that your questioning this game leads no where and and hasn't influenced any of your reads which is scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sorry I haven't been involved, will be reading up and posting tonight.

[Tchill13]

If we don't lynch nos or garmr, who's the best scum candidate? I say teacher.

[Aristophanes]

If we don't lynch nos or garmr, who's the best scum candidate? I say teacher.

I'll read their isos and reread that case but I had thought Garmr and Teacher looked town.

[Aristophanes]

Also, sorry I'm low content. I have a lot of fun modding games but apparently my love of playing is kaput. I'm here for PP <3