NY 213 - Game Over!

[davesaz]

IMO the case on Wavemode is an active lurking / having absolutely no scumreads worth the name kind of case.

[Ausuka]

I think deadline is close enough that people should begin to pick

sides between performer/wm

a lurker and go with it.

fixed


Seriously I never understand this on this site. Why would scum ever not lurk when the most active people are always the ones that get lynched.

One of those options is a lurker

but yes for what it's worth I agree with your point. whenever I finish a game there's always scum in the lurkers and there seems to be some sort of stigma against trying to lynch them

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #27

Performer (7) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Creature (898), Kublai Khan (957), Osuka (1047), Wavemode (1108), Vaxkiller (1116), Lalendra (1229)

Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (2) - Scioness Sajj (406), Almost50 (1205)
Lalendra (0) -
Davesaz (0) -
JarJarDrinks (2) - Myloninja13 (326), Andriod18 (855)
Osuka (3) - Dunnstral (77), Pine (176), TheRampage (681)
Andriod18 (0) -
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (604)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (1) - Golden Robster (602)

Wavemode (7) - Ausuka (998), Hopkirk (999), Davesaz (1014), Performer (1051), Texcat (1080), Gamma Emerald (1107), JarJarDrinks (1112)

TheRampage (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (1) - Flavor Leaf

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
Andriod18 V/LA until Saturday, June 30.

As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390) --> Ausuka (1205)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) --> Ausuka (317) --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107)
Ausuka: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559) --> Performer (1229)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz: Wavemode (1014)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) --> Ausuka (842) --> Wavemode (1112)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771) --> Performer (1047)
Texcat: Osuka (79) --> Wavemode (1080)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) --> Performer (1116)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867) --> Performer (1108)
TheRampage: Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj: Ausuka (406)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

[Almost50]

and Ausuka is prob town now. I don't think scum outs the neighborhood.

I do.

ok so scum-Ausuka would only do this if the other 2 members were town right.

So like, Ausuka outs the hood to get Wave lynched who then flips green and now Ausuka not only looks bad for pushing the mislynch but is one of 2 members of the hood left?

Seems like terrible scum play.

As I said before; I don't know Ausuka's scum game, and thus cannot say id she's good or bad at scum.

[Performer]

Yeaaaaah, the lalendra catchup and vote looks hella suspicious to me. I wouldn't object to a compromise flashwagon there.

I think deadline is close enough that people should begin to pick

sides between performer/wm

a lurker and go with it.

fixed


Seriously I never understand this on this site. Why would scum ever not lurk when the most active people are always the ones that get lynched.

Completely agree with these two posts.
Lovebird, lal, android have been playing under the radar. Lal shows up, pops a naked vote , super opportunistic.

Jar, remember my first game on site and you were there, we were both town? It's insane.

[Dunnstral]

IMO the case on Wavemode is an active lurking / having absolutely no scumreads worth the name kind of case.

The case morphed into him being in a neighborhood of 3, as I've outlined

[Ausuka]

It's not problematic if people are on the same wagon for different reasons imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

IMO the case on Wavemode is an active lurking / having absolutely no scumreads worth the name kind of case.

The case morphed into him being in a neighborhood of 3, as I've outlined

that's not why I'm voting
I'm voting for his activity feeling like trying to avoid being read

[Performer]

Mylon and wheme, what are your reads of each other and why?

What are each of your scumreads, and why?

[Dunnstral]

It's not problematic if people are on the same wagon for different reasons imo.

Nah, if we're going to start lynching for being in the neighborhood I'm going to make sure we keep lynching until we hit scum or the neighborhood is empty - it's consistent with what people are pushing right now.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not going to let people argue that there's scum in a neighborhood of 3 and then if wavemode flips town back off and say they townread the other 2

[Ausuka]

I think a minority of people are actually saying that.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: wavemode
I am willing to do this. Wave hasn't done anything to make me believe they are town. If we are lynching someone who hasn't done anything, my preference would be for ArcAngel9, but I understand that the neighborhood wants to clean itself up.

Almost missed this gem which again refers to the neighborhood mechanics

Wavemode wagon is gross if you look at what actually happened

VOTE: wavemode

I'm neighbours with Performer and wavemode. I'm confident wave is scum and once we lynch him and he flips red me and performer can function as masons.

Why didn't you push Wave when you were townreading Performer?

neighbourhoods are NAI. I'm not scumreading wave because I'm in a hood with him and a townread, I scumread him based on play.

Let me make this big and bold. Clearly based on Ausuka's reads and he just happens to be in a neighborhood (which was outted in a bad way)

VOTE: Wavemode

@Vax: you know Wave is hard lurking right? And has a good wagon? And is in the neighbourhood that statistically contains scum?

okay, now it turned into a neighborhood thing for Hopkirk when it wasn't

Heh, iso'd wave and yeah that's likely to be scum.
VOTE: Wavemode

okay, never mentions Wavemode after this, no proof he actually iso'd anybody, no opinion presented

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

Listed as voting Wavemode but is actually on performer

Regardless, this is bad and again alludes towards neighborhood mechanics that don't exist

The events that led up to this point tell me there are some hypotheticals:
-if wave flips red as mafia neighbor, then boom, ausuka & I are virtually cleared as town. Happy birthday to us , basically
-now that I think of it more, if wave flips red, what would that mean for osuka’s alignment? However…if wave somehow flips green, then I think osuka should be looked into

VOTE: wavemode
This doesn't change my sr list either, I am willing to lynch any of my scumreads I stated.

More bad neighborhood spec when the original fos wasn't even based on that

[Ausuka]

Isn't that 3 votes in a 25 player game related to the hood? That's a minority to me.

[Creature]

didn't feel inspired enough to play mafia

[Dunnstral]

Wavemode (7) - Ausuka (998), Hopkirk (999), Davesaz (1014), Performer (1051), Texcat (1080), Gamma Emerald (1107), JarJarDrinks (1112)

People voting wavemode for being in a neighborhood:

Hopkirk, Performer. Texcat, jarJarDrinks

People voting Wavemode for no reason/"we need wagons:

Davesaz, Gamma Emerald

People who gave non-neighborhood reasons for Wavemode to be scum:

Ausuka

[Dunnstral]

Heh, iso'd wave and yeah that's likely to be scum.
VOTE: Wavemode

citation needed

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

I mean there's a wagon on you -_-
But I agree we do need other wagons given proximity to day end plus I feel fine with what I've gotten out of today so
VOTE: wavemode

Not sure why this is a vote on Wavemode - was he voting the big osuka wagon earlier? If not that's really suspect

[Dunnstral]

Day 1 VC #21

Performer (1) - EspeciallyTheLies (515)
Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (1) - Vaxkiller (678)
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -

Edosurist

Gamma Emerald (1) - Lovebird (259)
Ausuka (2) - Scioness Sajj (406), JarJarDrinks (842)
Lalendra (0) -
Lovebird (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Myloninja13 (326), WhemeStar (797), Andriod18 (855)

Osuka (9) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Pine (176), Almost50 (390), Performer (623), TheRampage (681), Hopkirk (696), Kublai Khan (725), Wavemode (867)

Andriod18 (0) -
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (604)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (602), Gamma Emerald (710)
Wavemode (0) -
TheRampage (3) - Ausuka (743), Osuka (771), Creature (813)
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Flavor Leaf, Lalendra (559)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.
Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.

Seeking a replacement for Lovebird who has failed to pick up their prod. If they post before I find a replacement, they may keep their slot.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) --> Ausuka (317) --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710)
Ausuka: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird: Edosurist (259)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) --> Ausuka (842)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771)
Texcat: Osuka (79)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867)
TheRampage: Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj: Ausuka (406)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

Nope, he was on a vanity wagon all day until Wavemode wagon popped up then it's "we need wagons" and voting for not even the largest wagon

Gamma can be scum

[davesaz]

IMO the case on Wavemode is an active lurking / having absolutely no scumreads worth the name kind of case.

The case morphed into him being in a neighborhood of 3, as I've outlined

that's not why I'm voting
I'm voting for his activity feeling like trying to avoid being read

Ditto. I'm not impressed by neighborhood arguments. I'd probably design a game with 3 neighbors all town but not called masons just to play with the site meta, after seeing all these statistical arguments.

[Hopkirk]

1st half of the Performer wagon was good/townreads.
Then Wave wagon happens pretty rapidly.
Then Performer grows by four.
Isn't Performer a counterwagon to Wave?

I was voting Wave prior to the neighbourhood thing (2nd vote, Ausuka only voted after I said I don't see Wave ever flipping town here).
I didn't ever explain

why

, and nobody asked me.

[Ausuka]

4/25 is still a minority to me.

But yeah I'm behind ppl saying hoods are NAI, I just think wave flips red anyway.

[Hopkirk]

I'm thinking about Gamma. Maybe Texcat.

[Dunnstral]

IMO the case on Wavemode is an active lurking / having absolutely no scumreads worth the name kind of case.

The case morphed into him being in a neighborhood of 3, as I've outlined

that's not why I'm voting
I'm voting for his activity feeling like trying to avoid being read

So you're voting him for lurking, cool

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Performer
I don't think I like the Wave wagon composition.

[Dunnstral]

1st half of the Performer wagon was good/townreads.
Then Wave wagon happens pretty rapidly.
Then Performer grows by four.
Isn't Performer a counterwagon to Wave?

Meanwhile Osuka went from 10 votes to 3 just because... I don't know, actually. Why did everybody jump off of Osuka?