Mini Normal 2016 | Otters vs. Penguins | Endgame

[wavemode]

I'm saying that leaving the door open for scum to make a play doesn't make sense here from a town perspective.

Why not go ahead with a mass claim and make scum lock in claims?

I understand the thought process of what you're wanting.

I DO NOT understand how town benefits from that more than scum.

If someone has useful results, by all means they should claim them

If we are about to lynch a mason, by all means they should claim

If on the other hand we're just going ahead with normal play, what do we get from a massclaim, even a partial one where just the mason team claims, besides giving the scumteam a roadmap of who to shoot?

It's exactly like what I said at the start of day 2 - if someone is a doctor and prevented the nightkill, the only reason they should claim is if the person they protected IS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED. If they aren't, you're just outing your role and it gains us nothing

[Tchill13]

You really think we have another protective? Because I agree with the thought process if that's the case but I doubt we do.

[wavemode]

I'm talking about the beginning of day 2. At that point we figured it was possible that we had a doctor. Now we know that it was probably a jailkeep instead that prevented the nightkill

[Tchill13]

By mass claiming we decide what scum will do. We force their hand.

I feel that is SO under valued.

It's not the beginning of d2. We know we probably don't have a protective now.

Which is the reason to mass claim.

[wavemode]

I think it's highly overvalued, but we'll agree to disagree

[Tchill13]

That's fine. I'm welcome to other philosophies. I'd like to talk about it post game after learning your alignment though because I DO think you're an intelligent player from past and present games.

OK no mass claim today. I'm not gonna budge on the other Mason claiming though sorry. Agree to disagree.

[wavemode]

In the spirit of full disclosure I will say

I feel like I HAVE to be townreading someone right now who is actually scum

There actually aren't that many possible 3-man teams right now

Most of my preferred ones don't even make any sense

[Tchill13]

Bbt's not lock town but I'm not opposed with working with garmr/teacher/bbt/performer/other Mason.

Working with that group today will determine their alignments imo.

I'd like everyone to take a stance on teacher.

I say teacher is town.

[Tchill13]

In the spirit of full disclosure I will say

I feel like I HAVE to be townreading someone right now who is actually scum

There actually aren't that many possible 3-man teams right now

Most of my preferred ones don't even make any sense

I'm in a similar place atm.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can work on the assumption teacher is town but I need to read his latest posts a little closer before I commit to anything.

[Tchill13]

Nos should have been lynched a long time ago. Over Tommy.

I can't help but wonder what the motivation is behind geo pushing a fast day.

NM isn't gonna play apparently.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's my bad, I liked some of Nos' posting and Tommy's reads felt super stale whilst staying on the periphery of the game.

Don't mind taking responsibility for that one.

[Tchill13]

I was on the wagon lol.

Just take a position on teacher and we will go from there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Let me read up properly, I've only skimmed but wanted to get in on some real time interaction incase nobody was around when I got to reading the game.

[Tchill13]

OK. Whats your position on GEO and how he went about pushing to lynch me and a quick day phase? I of course thought it would win scum the game at the time. It won't this dayphase . It's still pretty fishy imo.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

There's no way if Perf makes a "secret message", scum won't find out about it. There's only so many posts he'll make today. If it's not blatantly obvious, then it might be ambiguous enough for scum to find another "breadcrumb" supporting them. If Perf is mason (dubious), & we don't have another claim, all we gain at best is confusion (which isn't really a gain.) If we demand another mason claim, then we could have an IC next day, or we could find one or two scum (depending on whether there's a claim or not.)

Secondly, the first half of my post is irrelevant, because there's already at most one reasonable candidate for a masonbuddy. So we gain literally nothing from them not claiming. Also, I'm pretty sure this candidate would have breadcrumbed on D2 at the latest. But I don't even want the breadcrumb from them. I want the breadcrumb only if Perf outs his supposed masonbuddy.

PEDIT: I still want a quick day, & I'm fine with lynching TC.

[Tchill13]

A quick day is a scum agenda. Even if this isn't a day scum can win on you are still going about this horribly. If you are town and I flip town you will be insta lynched. The only thing that can save you is a Mason claim.

I WILL begin to openly speculate about the mason claim.

[Nosferatu]

im just trying to figure out

how the fuck would performer's claim get cc'd?

Say he's scum and there is no second mason

his scumbuddy claims mason at massclaim time

who the fuck cc's him?

Say he's town and there is a second mason

scum cc's the mason claim

Literally a cc confirms Performer's claim

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

I'm not sure whether the CC comment is directed at me or not. It'd make sense for scum to CC the 2nd mason claim once Perf's dead. Not today, though.

[Nosferatu]

it would, but i dont think that scum will shoot performer today

[Nosferatu]

tonight*

[Nosferatu]

A quick day is a scum agenda

where was the vote on gustavo d1 my dude

[Nosferatu]

I'm not sure whether the CC comment is directed at me or not. It'd make sense for scum to CC the 2nd mason claim once Perf's dead. Not today, though.

its not btw

[Tchill13]

Huh? Day 1 and day 3 are completely different situations and require different approaches... Imo.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

@Nos: That's wifom, so I don't want to get into it.

Also, I don't really get what TC wants to achieve by reiterating how him flipping town would mean my lynch. Like, yeah, I know, I'd even addressed it before he did. But I guess it

looks

like content.