Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[brassherald]

As in I don't understand the plain English meaning of those words

[Titus]

VOTE: titus

I got like 5 minutes of not dealing with the case from hell right now. So, could you expand on this read a bit, or link me to a post where you talk about this read?

Thanks in advance.

He's taking issue with me saying FA was likely scum selected but not singling out a particular slot as doing it.

If that's it, I don't get it.

Nor do I but it's a type of argument that certain types of players use a lot, not just UFO. They expect a premise to have an overarching theory d1. Pushing a player is good. I just can't form the confidence to state a likely theory yet.

My next move tomorrow is to compare the zmuffin man wagon to FA voters

[Titus]

As in I don't understand the plain English meaning of those words

I think scum helped FA to be leader.
UFO wants a specific name.
It's just too early for that.

[Titus]

Later. I'll be back torrow.

[The Dream Weaver]

Votecount 1.8

Leader: Frozen Angel

zMuffinMan (6):

BBmolla, Katsuki, Chickadee, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39, brassherald

Cerberus v666 (2):

Sakura Hana, Titus

Katsuki (2):

zMuffinMan, Gamma Emerald

Titus (2):

123456789, Toranaga

Sakura Hana (1):

Human Sequencer

123456789 (0):

BBmolla (0):

brassherald (0):

Chickadee (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Human Sequencer (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Myloninja13 (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nico Robin (0):

randomidget (0):

Sando (0):

Shiro (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Wasting Their Vote (1):

hebichan

Not Voting (9):

Everyone Else

With

23

players, it takes

12

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-15 18:00:00).

Frozen Angel is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-10 23:57:00)
Nancy Drew 39 is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-14 00:00:00)

Abilities Available for Acquisition

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You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player's action(s) will be redirected to target you instead of their original target(s) until the next Night Phase.

INFINITECH STANDARD

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Phasing:

Target another player. Any actions that target you before the next Night Phase will target them instead.

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Target another player. You will gain one use of any Superpower(s) they use before the end of next Day Phase. These 1-Shot Superpowers will be available to you until the end of the next Night Phase and still count against your Superpower usage.

Spiritual Mediumship:

Target a player that has died within the previous Day or Night Phase. You will have a neighborhood with that player for the following Day and Night Phase.

[Cerberus v666]

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.

On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.

Two options here imo. No pregame chat, or they preferred to do things discussion or coordination to be natural+increase the noise to signal ratio in the game, since in the absence of a pattern we'll be spending a bunch of time trying to find one.

Tomorrows leader: Should 100% be decided today, and there should be two top options, with enough promised support for each individually that even if the entire scum team were to vote elsewhere they couldn't change who is chosen. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, since by tomorrow morning, assuming worst case without extra kills, the game will be 16:5, which means all the scum *could* say they'll support the *second* candidate, kill them, and then put all their support behind whoever they want as third...but that line is probably unlikely? If the entire town participates and actually acts as they say they will, then any such action by scum that *changes* who the winner is to a complete unknown will necessitate that they all be in a single group of pledged votes, which makes the scum pool nice and easy to sort through. Just changing it from the first choice to the second is mostly immaterial. It's good information to have, but as long as control ends up in the hands of someone who is "widely" townread we're utilizing the mechanics as best as we can.

I agree with the second paragraph. The first, I don't see scum not having pregame chat. Sorry.

I also don't think it's likely that they didn't have pregame chat(though them having pregame chat without the presence of an open thread for everyone to talk in is *kinda* bullshit, depending on how the whole game is balanced ofc), which means they deliberately did things without coordinating. I don't see the benefit of deliberately coordinating dissent between their votes, because that would likely happen anyways if they just voted without talking about it.

So, are you saying you don't see scum making a deliberate decision to NOT have a plan for the first leader vote, or simply that you don't see them not having pregame chat?

[Cerberus v666]

Titus: FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga

This pool 100% contains at least one scum, or do you think whatever scum voted for FA lied and said they voted elsewhere, for someone without votes?

[Titus]

Both. I expect scum to say this is who we want as leader so we can get roles.

As for lies or contains a scum, too early to tell. I'd have to go through every vote by hand and compare to the VCs. Don't have time.

[Cerberus v666]

Titus: FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

So do you think all scum are contained within the names voting on the right side there? That is, that none of the scum stated they were voting for anyone who had others claim they had 3 votes? Does this mean that the people who stated they voted for myself and TW can be assumed to not be scum, given that lying to add votes to runner ups would diminish the legitimacy of their own selection?

[Cerberus v666]

Later. I'll be back torrow.

Feel free to answer tomorrow.

[Kokichi Oma]

I volunteer as tribute.

you should not be leader because you're not towny

neither is katsuki

I think sando or cerberus should get it

That is objective

[Cerberus v666]

Hi Kokichi.

You have 11 posts.

Zero of them have any value.

Would you like to make any contributions to the game state?

[Chickadee]

Guys, I have requested replacement. I can't keep up with this. Sorry.

[Cerberus v666]

Guys, I have requested replacement. I can't keep up with this. Sorry.

ILU I'm sorry.

[Chickadee]

Guys, I have requested replacement. I can't keep up with this. Sorry.

ILU I'm sorry.

Nah, don't be. I'm sorry.
<3

[the worst]

what happened while I was gone?

[123456789]

This game grows too fast....

[123456789]

Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?

Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.

1) I don't get why scum MUST coordinate... They could simply just choose not to and pick whoever they prefer.....
2) Each player on the team pick their own powers.

[123456789]

I'm putting Nancy as town for now, I really like the nuanced questioning. Pretty typical Nancy but I can't remember a scumgame. Is Nancy this open and honest as scum?

I haven’t one. I still have yet to rand scum. The closest I got was Zero where I misunderstood the role and didn’t realize I was until the end of the game and played against my wincon the entire time. Lol

Why would anyone be open and honest as scum? Like Dude but like Duke said about me in the light game, I always wear my heart on my sleeve, sometimes/often to my detriment.

How many games have you played on mafiascum so far?

[123456789]

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

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95% sure you are lying as everyone started vanilla, and I find it doubtful has a post restriction pre-game ability. Besides, if they did, why would the use it on you if all people?

Wow no one here has really played with Katsuki before, huh?

I have back in 2016, and I was extremely annoyed with their lurking.

[123456789]

Yo, Gamma Gamma is town.

Now I'm off to see Ant Man and the Wasp. Relevant to the game because superheroes

Scum.

[123456789]

Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?

Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.

Titus, people don't shoot me. You know that. I know that. I have been shot at like three times ever in all the games of mafia I've played, and one of those times it was because I literally claimed cop on D1. I have been lynched EVEN LESS OFTEN. I'm ALWAYS this certain(regardless of alignment) that I will not die. The potential of power just makes it EVEN LESS LIKELY, given that 33% of the available powers will prevent a kill from hitting the person who takes the power.

In addition...read my posts? Actually respond to those? Please don't do the bullshit "oh you're scum now so I'm not going to interact with you" thing that so many fucking idiots here do. I called out factionals and other possibilities REPEATEDLY, and B/C *don't actually matter because the only thing that matters is maintaining that the POSSIBILITY of protection exists for me.

I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.

And so what im doing in this game was born.

Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.

I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.

I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.

This is even stupider than the previous thing, somehow. I'm fucking astonished by your audacity in stating that *I* fail to understand relevance.

I give ZERO fucks about her choosing to not answer something(it was brought up by her yesterday, and I gave her no notable shit about it). I give MANY fucks about *the way* she chose to not answer things. The question of "is phrasing thigns this way, and throwing in this little addendum pointing out the obvious decision to not answer the rest of the post, something that town!sakura does?" should be naturally fucking implied by my entire post. I say this is suspicious. If that behavior isn't suspicious for this person, tell me why. Is it not suspicious because it's natural behavior for them? Is it not suspicious because it's NEVER SUSPICIOUS, no matter who does it or in what context?

This is also my friendly reminder that I, Titus, do not act outside of my D1 town meta as scum, because that meta makes it really fucking easy to get away with basically anything later in the game. If you think me picking a hill to die on on D1(which, btw, I'm not actually doing, but you somehow seem to think I *am*) is abnormal, it's not scummy. *shrug*

This feels like a scumpost.

[zMuffinMan]

complain about game length

proceed to post 20 or so 1-line single-quote responses

[123456789]

The possibility of protection exists for everyone barring a strongman.

No grandstanding needs to be done to protect it.

I disagree with the bolded, because people are stupid. Gotta keep shoving their faces in the fact that up to ~20% of the game could be BP after tonight alone, thereby giving them cause to utilize (hopefully limited use) factional powers to ensure kills occur!

(Or perhaps such powers don't exist.... How would one know.... unless they are scum?)

[123456789]

Also, Cerb I did not move the goalposts.

A good Cerb knows nightless isn't a setup town wins. A good Cerb realizes that his claim gives no invests. You're acting in your walls as if one did not exist. Mentioning something is not intellectual vigor.

It's just odd. A good Cerb knows there are serious flaws logically with you.

"Nightless isn't a setup town wins" --> ???? Doesn't the fact that scum can't kill the good scumhunters make it

much more likely

that town wins (more so than the EV suggests)?