NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Taly]

ISO Group - Xyzzy, Sky, Elbirn ((First 600 Posts))

I don't know why

Elbirn

pushed the entrance that he's scum 22 and 79 in hindsight.
Also, him asking

Inferno

why he isn't voting him in light of this feels a bit off 84

I don't get

xyzzy's

112 where he townreads

Elbirn

but proceeds to point out why

Elbirn's

scumread is town and votes

Rask

with confidence that he's scum.

115

Sky

agrees with

xyzzy's

assessment, but goes further and says that

Rask

is LAMIST...
125

Elbrn

points out that this buzzword is unhelpful but that doesn't factor in his read or make him question

Sky

.

232

Elbirn

expresses he doesn't understand how

Rask

was posting well as

TW

said, but then turns around and votes

Gustavo

233 after townreading

Inferno

.

Literally nothing for either 3 of them for 200 posts.
423 is basically

xyzzy

realizing just how low his content is.

464

Sky

re-evaluates

Rask

and townreads

Brass, Elbirn, MOI

while questioning the

Gustavo

scumread.

474 is where

Xyzzy

gives his thoughts on posts that were 200+ POSTS AGO.

-

Like

Sky

, he reiterates how

Rask's

entrance is unlikely to be town, but minimizes

Elbirn's

self-vote as a throwaway joke with little ground.

-

Says

Brass, MOI, Inferno

and

profii

are town to an extent

-

States that

Gustavo (Andrius slot)

is a scumpost but doesn't elaborate or push it.

507

Elbirn

literally keeps up this stance with

Inferno

of

"now outline and shout to everyone why I'm scum"

without actually trying to understand why the scumread is there or looking into

Inferno's

motives for it... Does not give anything worthwhile when

Dram

is mentioned.

...eww.

514 Literally

Sky

is doing what

Elbirn

is in a different way - deflecting from the scumreads on her without actually evaluating them. Takes it a step further to distance herself and invalidate the reads on 515 without explaining why.
527

Sky

states that it's difficult to gamesolve with the game content, but doesn't ask questions or try to resolve that issue.
528 With really no other prompt

Sky

brings up that she wasn't fond of

Dave

and

Chickadee

's responses and says they haven't posted content...
...while this is likely true at the time, I'm of the opinion is that she posted this to strengthen her previous two posts in why scumreading her is not effective.

569 is another

Xyzzy

post-by-post link on things that aren't fully caught up to the game yet, but he IS showing consistent read progression.

-

Townreads

Rask, HeWhoSwims, Dave (my slot)

-

Asks

Sky

about her townread on

Elbirn

((townpoints to

xyzzy

here))

-

Asks

Chick

on her thoughts of the gamestate and her reads.

580

Elbirn

brings up an argument for

Chickadee

-scum based off her gameplay to

Flubb

-

Never votes

Chickadee

-

Again, stings at

Inferno's

read of him by saying it's weaksauce but doing nothing about it.
This post just feels like it was made to create doubt and muddy the game.
583 Is an expansion of this thought, but where was the follow-up?

586 and 587 is

Sky

defending her townread on

Elbirn

and brings up her scumreads...
Where's her vote on any of them?

Early Assessment:

Unlike

Sky

and

Elbirn

who diverts attention from reads on them,

Xyzzy

is not only showing his reads and elaborates by going post-to-post, but he's also ENGAGING with people he suspects in a manner of understanding them.

Notes-

Elbirn

never followed up on his

Gustavo

read or really, his

Chickadee

read either.

Sky

is almost virtually parroting people's reads who aren't being suspected, this was more true before she explained her townreads, though.

Xyzzy

feels lynchbaity at the moment, even early in this game.

[Taly]

ISO Group Xyzzy, Sky, Elbirn ((600-900 Post Number))

596 is another

Xyzzy

post and the more I read him, the better I'm starting to feel about his alignment. Let's deduce facts here. He's also up-to-date with posts now.

-

Brings up how

Flub's

response isn't good but elabroates on why it isn't.

-

Isn't a fan of a

Hit

post, and explains why.

-

Reverses on his

Inferno

townread but shows the multiple posts that led him to this thought.

-

Townreads

Sky, Andrius, Dave (my slot)

-

States that a post can seem bussy between

Dram-Inferno

, something to note.

625

Elbirn

disregards talking about his scumreads, and to hell with whoever he's townreading, but he's openly giving a reality on how

Hit

is scum but doesn't act on that.
627

Elbirn

votes

Hit

for lackluster posts but provides even more lackluster reasoning imo. What about his previous scumreads on

Chick

and the

Andrius

slot?
629 Seems confused by something

xyzzy

said...?
636 Drops his push on

Hit

, and pretty much votes me because I said my slot was town and that made me feel better about meta-reading

Dave

in the future...

655 and 657 it is VERY unclear who

Elbirn

is talking about here. Even he was talking about

Hit

, I don't feel to keen on saying someone's posts are

"nonsensical babble"

718 Oh look,

Sky's

posting a scumread on

Hit

while asking me questions.
Didn't she already say she felt

Dave (my slot

was scum, alongside

Flub

and

Chickadee

earlier??? If I'm misreading? I don't know where her reads are at and her vote's not following it since it's not being used.

736

Xyzzy

expresses his dislike for

Hit's

posting again.

767

Sky

votes

Hit

out of her presumably multiple suspects because...

Hit's

becoming the playerlist's public enemy?
If she really thought

Hit

were scum, why is she voting him for

"pressure"

?

With this... I kind of feel like

Hit

was intended to be a counterwagon to town-

Flub

. 769, 770, and 774 is her saying that she doesn't want votes on him prior to a response.

Xyzzy

follows suit on

Hit

wagon with 781 and 781, but he's actually providing reason to his insights, so it's easier following him.

794 and 795

Elbirn

finally decides that

Hit

is playing poorly and not scum without reasoning... and says he'll probably change his mind again tomorrow, so his post is effectively useless, as was his read originally. He also points out once again on why people are townreading him, but he doesn't confront an individual. It just sounds like there's no real reason for him to be townread, and he knows it.
But he doesn't do anything to change that.

801 is

Sky

saying

Hit

is lining up mislynches through his honeypot, but doesn't expand on her individual thoughts on the reads/names he brought up.

((Which were Ausuka, Brassherald, Dave (Me), Chickadee, Sky, The Worst around this time))

852 and 853 is

Sky

focused on people's scumreads on her again, while stating how scummy

Hit's

reads are
...yawn.

Early Assessment:

Xyzzy

is easily the most pro-town out of these 3 as he's actually coherent with his thinking.

Sky

could be town but I'm not looking favorably at her when it comes to associatives with scum and who I think could be scum.

Elbirn

is like a huge ball of dark crimson red because there's nothing in his posts to actually suggest he's town. The motive of

Elbirn/Sky's

posts aren't so oriented in gamesolving... more or less pushing their reads or not doing anything else.

Notes-

Elbirn

hasn't really pushed anyone the entire game aside from refuting those who have suspected or questioned him weakly.

Sky

is on that

"Let's fight

Hit

"

bandwagon, so good to know...

Xyzzy

didn't have much of any suspicion on him even at thos point in the game, so I'm very suspicious of the wagon that was formed on him near EoD1. He seems more likely town based off of this alone.

[Taly]

ISO Group Xyzzy, Sky, Elbirn ((900 To Present))

924 is

Sky

perpetuating that

Flub's

response to me is not good.

Sky

gives reads in 927 but they're vague and don't really help anyone decipher why she comes to her conclusions.

930

Xyzzy

giving

HeWhoSwims

, a townread, the benefit of the doubt actually rings to me as natural.

Not fond of the follow up 931, why is bad to want to lynch someone's scumleans?

Sky

seems to have little stated reasoning behind her scumreads but

Sky

has PLENTY of people in her

"null or IDK"

list.

965 - I don't quite get this post from a

Sky-Dram

SvS POV, it just seems like she's adding to the suspicion on him here.

981 The only reason

Sky

has for justifying her votes and scumreads is something being

"flaily"

like it's supposed to be this elabroate case when in reality she's not doing anything to ratify her thoughts.
983

Sky

FINALLY expands on what

"flaily"

means to her, but then also talks about it being odd that

Hit

is pushing her and

Dram

, and while it IS true technically...
...Why is

Sky

concerned about

Hit's

read on

Dram

and not

Hit's

read on the MANY other people he's suspected, including her other townreads like

Brass

and etc.

I can see THIS post being a

Sky-Dram

SvS associative.

1000

Elbirn's

alive and weakly dismisses

Flubb

again.
1031

Elbirn

never follows up with

Sky

replying to him, she doesn't explain about how

Gustavo (Andrius slot)

was a towny-reaction to pressure where

Flub and Hit's

were not.
1071 Weak townread on me based off

Elbirn

writing me off as emotional...
1073

Elbirn

calls for a flashwagon on

Xyzzy

out of the blue and to say that

Xyzzy

has been fluffposting in this game makes me question if he's actually reading it.

Elbirn

also doesn't pay attention to the

dram, Hit, or Flubb

wagon here.
1079

Elbirn

is taking more shots at

Inferno

becuase why not?

I don't know why

Elbirn, Sky

are collectively townreading me as I was pushing

Dram

when nobody was liking that wagon, it feels a bit fake.

Sky

is townreading both

Xyzzy

and

Elbirn

1087 and 1088 even in light of

Xyzzy's

post 1086 which didn't do anything.

The next several posts in the ISO is literally

Elbirn

having more problems with

Inferno's

but never doing anything about it.

Post-claim, and etc. this ends in

Sky

and

Elbirn

voting

Flub

in 1266 and 1268 very close between each other. With neither of them questioning this, despite

Sky's

game-long townread on

Elbirn

for not much new reasoning, and

Elbirn

gut scumreading

Sky

but never saying anytihng else about it... this is their EoD1 votes.

Elbirn

doesn't defend his townread on me or his other reads

Flub

commented on in 1302 and 1317
Instead, he entertains the reality on why we aren't linked together... feels like it's to muddy the waters on

Flubb's

iffy EoD reads even more unclear.

Conclusion:

With

Xyzzy

being the only person to post D2, I feel much better that he's town.

Sky-Elbirn

are by far likely associatives to

Dram

, and I'd readily believe a

Dram-Sky-Elbirn

scumteam over

Dram-HeWhoSwims-???

or

Dram-Xyzzy-???

scumteam easily. The

Xyzzy

flashwagon felt scum-engineered and fake on

Elbirn's

behalf, and the fact that

Elbirn

and

Sky

have had opposing reads most of the day without ever pushing the other - but ALSO voting to lynch

Flub

together - is EXTREMELY suspect.

Notes-

Xyzzy

and

Hit

wagons are most definitely town counterwagons in my eyes.

Sky-Elbirn

haven't posted, since they can no longer safely do their whole

"let's townread but not agree on anything!"

charade.

If

Elbirn

flips scum,

Sky

is extremely likely the final scummy here.

VOTE: Elbirn

[brassherald]

3 man scum team, taly?

[Taly]

I mean, 3 person scumteam isn't unusual for 17-18p.

And with the chance of an SK or 3p being here, I'm think 3p scum is MORE likely at the moment.

At the very least, I just think

Elbirn

and

Sky

have a huge associative argument together and with

Dram

[brassherald]

What do you think of hewhoswims again?

[Taly]

I'll read him indvidually tomorrow and see how it works with my general reads atm, I'm a bit burnt out.

I don't see anything that explicitly points to scum, but not much to point to town.

[Pine]

I'll take that with a grain of salt given Pine is modding this game.

Redirectors are explicitly non normal.

This game is explicitly Normal. It's your understanding of the Normal rules that's out of date, not mine.

VC incoming soon...ish.

[HeWhoSwims]

Heads up btw

I work 6 hours tomorrow + driving lesson. And on Sunday I work 4 + I want to watch the world cup final...

I will be reading up on everything from here but I missed like 12 pages since daystart... I'll try to catch up but if someone wants to point out something REALLY important that needs me now.. Please go ahead.

Also @chick @tw can we have an answer to my earlier question

[Elbirn]

I'm at least 15 pages back because y'all need to shut the fuck up

[Taly]

[the worst]

Andrius the last few pages phew oh boy
pants on head is a trending fashion in 2018 I guess?

[the worst]

Chick/tw did you guys have modifiers? So many roles have and perhaps it's good to have yours too if you have them.

my modifier is

Spoiler:

pew pew motherfuckin vigilante!!!!!!

there's no benefit in me claiming it here

[the worst]

considering town power I'd say be prepared for upwards of 5 scumfucks but that's a good assessment Taly

[Taly]

TW

Why is

Hit

more likely scum and/or a better lynch than

Elbirn

or

Sky

?

Also is

Hit

an alt?
If so is he

OnTheMark

?

[Taly]

Also

If we have 5 scum, we are probably looking at a 3p role, OR a traitor, OR a negative utility Mafia role, potentially.

Because that means this is 12:5 which holy fuck

But this is ALL I'm going to say about 5 non-town players UNLESS we are in that situation.

[Skygazer]

sooooooo I'm townreading MoI/Andrius/Ausuka/Rask - how unlikely is it for there to be two loyal fruit vendors? Because I'd really like to keep four strong town reads
I'm actually townreading HitAlt now; really don't like how T_W came off in those interactions; could get behind leashing the SK though
I believe Chickadee's vengeful claim considering the post on D1 stating she'd be a good lynch on D2/D3; don't really see it as a hail mary like MoI said due to that early crumb
I can believe that the xyzzy wagon was a counterwagon; I already said there's likely scum on it before and with HitAlt/Chickadee as townreads now I can see Elbirn as scum
xyzzy still likely town esp if elbirn is scum

I can see HWS as scum through PoE

also yall are posting too much

[Skygazer]

VOTE: Elbirn

[the worst]

TW

Why is

Hit

more likely scum and/or a better lynch than

Elbirn

or

Sky

?

Also is

Hit

an alt?
If so is he

OnTheMark

?

do you not find the way he claimed a guilty in me super super gross? or

he is an alt I asked the same thing the first time

anddddd I have no reason to strongly believe he isn't
but gut says no?
but my gut has been wrong one time before

[Skygazer]

If I had to pick between Ausuka/MoI I'd actually pick MoI as scum at this point. I don't like how he sussed Chicka after that claim. Also I find it hard to believe scum-Ausuka would cc like that?? Unless it's to get a mislynch on a dangerous town player?? But I don't see Ausuka doing that if they just lost a scum partner and I'm kind of paranoid about MoI after realizing how dangerous of a scum player he apparently is.

Granted town-MoI fruiting Andrius makes sense to me, though

[Taly]

TW

I mean yeah

Hit

did a really shady ass thing in pulling your teeth for the claim and that makes me second guess him to a degree.

But I want to powerlynch useless players who have huge associations to

Dram

and let all these claims sort themselves out

Yet up until your claim happening

TW

, I couldn't see a straightforward reality where you were town and i am no longer suspicious of a few people right now because of said claim.

And on top of the invest claim, I don't think lynching

Hit

is optimal at the moment.

Id much rather see how his next result works IF the Mafia doesn't shoot him because he's basically willingly put a bullseye on his head if he is town.

But you were correct on

Dram

being a scum PR, so I'm open to hearing how

Hit

is scum PR as well

[Taly]

Funny that

Sky

continued with saying we all post too much while not even acknowledging my whole assessment post or mention a read on me, but then votes

Elbirn

But meh, what do I know.

[the worst]

I think I found some profound reason to scumread Hit at the bottom of a couple of bottles of wine last night but I honestly can't recall it. I'll join you here.

VOTE: Elbirn

[the worst]

Funny that

Sky

continued with saying we all post too much while not even acknowledging my whole assessment post or mention a read on me, but then votes

Elbirn

But meh, what do I know.

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[Skygazer]

@Taly: Your assessment on Elbirn/xyzzy is good hence the parrotting

Your assessment on me not so much but w/e