Open 730: Donner Party [Terminado]

[ManateeDude]

So im guessing that rber hit SK or vig...

[OkaPoka]

what makes you say that

[Eragon]

i hope ya know that i was gambitting hoping SK would kill me

[OkaPoka]

i say its time for a role call + results and see if we can PoE this

[Eragon]

Vanilla

[OkaPoka]

vt

[ManateeDude]

what makes you say that

Well only one NK

Vanilla

[OkaPoka]

what if vig is dead
what if vig hit sk

[ManateeDude]

what if vig is dead
what if vig hit sk

O im big dumby

[OkaPoka]

dietician solving the game would be nice ngl tho

[Skygazer]

Vanilla~

[ManateeDude]

Anyone see SK!CJV here?

[OkaPoka]

ap = vt
unreal = vt
sky = vt
eragon = vt
manatee = vt
okapoka = vt

lucky and cj unknown
diet, vig, rb are prs
one sk

so we either have one sk + two prs or one sk + one pr
i think not_mafia was likely pr

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: CJV

We have enough time to risk this

[OkaPoka]

lets just get claims from cj and lucky, see what results they have, compare notes and PoE

[Skygazer]

Yeah I got the vibe that n_m was rb/dietician after that sando flip

[Eragon]

VOTE: Skygazer

heres what happened

mafia hit SK N1

Sando was mafia

he called out Ejji has SK specifically

Sky will flip SK

Fixed the vote.
-Kor

[OkaPoka]

Happy with AP being town here. Only thing that gave me pause was the calling me out on GS vs cop and simultaneously getting the roleblocker thing wrong but after letting him respond to that his backdown was townie. Scum don't put themselves out there like this and especially don't theory-craft this hard.

I think decent chance of scum in ejj/MM, and I don't think they're scum together

. 44 through 49 did not feel organic to me and I'm trying to put my finger on anything specific in there, it feels a bit buddying to me. They're both disagreeing with a hypo claim (which is fine to disagree with) using talk about whether the

cop

GS should claim or not if threatened with lynching (which is not a fine conversation, obviously they should and that has no bearing on us hypoing or not). They also both focus on the

cop

GS while ignoring the other PRs, who is the biggest threat to SK since no block there, and obviously a big threat to Mafia as well.

N_M strikes me as outside scum-meta, but I'm a far cry from an expert on that one, and Math is the one I've heard most discussion of NMs play from previously so I'd like more from both of them.

I also prefer to TR in early days, based on an article written by Math I believe, and basically POE. My early day scumreads tend to be pretty bad, especially compared to my TRs.



AP I'm struggling to see the advantage of hypoing in the case of 3 kills. We've got a vig with a result we don't know and would like, but no way of confirming the vig without them outing themselves, and the setup is such that confirming the vig (them flipping in front of town) confirms their result as well (correct me if I'm wrong here). The only advantage I see of hypoing a 3 kill day2 is to then massclaim D3, if we don't get a vig claim we can narrow down their results. Vig getting eaten N2 onwards is a really bad situation for town though, I'm not sure any hypo on a 3 kill night is worth that risk.

Hence my talk about what to do in the case of 1-2 kills. Either the vig has a result that we'd like to have, or the RB stopped a kill and we'd like to know that, or the vig hit the SK and we'd like to know that, or two factions hit the same person and I don't think we can know that except by POE. My thoughts haven't fully percolated through yet, but I think we can potentially get enough info through to the GS+Vig to let them break the game open at least a little bit.

[Eragon]

that was D1


D2 he called Ejji SK specifically

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: not_mafia

why are u doing naked votes and doing nothing of substance

I'm told it's his meta and NAI.

ive played with him a couple years back and although he was trolly he was a lot more substantive

I've seen a lot of people claim this about N_M and I'm yet to see the whole "he's good as town" ever materialise. I've only seen him troll as either alignment and it's just the amount of form of trolling that is NAI. Early votes on MM is town-indicative of him, and believe it or not I'd say the amount of discussion from him D1 was fairly townie too.

I think those that have played with him a decent amount will be fairly confident of reading him, it's a bit of a "ohhh, that's how it works" kind of realisation and you feel confident about it after that. This is also telling me the vig has probably played with N_M a few times since N_M is basically universally seen as vig-bait from what I've seen, so the vig either got blocked, N_M is SK (neither of these are likely) or the vig is confident of N_M read.

CJ flat out isn't Mafia and I very much doubt is SK. He doesn't proactively make cases like he did on MM yesterday, he doesn't answer back like he did with me yesterday. By far the scummiest thing he did was the late vote with no rationalisation on MM, and if MM had flipped town I'd have run at him hard, but he flipped red and CJ doesn't bus at all that I've seen, and that was not what a bus looks like. It could be SK but I don't think so, mostly because I think Ejj is.

I still think from early interactions with MM that Ejj doesn't seem genuine, especially compared to his later case on MM, I think he's SK.

VOTE: Ejj

eragon's thing

[Eragon]

ty

[Eragon]

hes trying to push the SK w/out being too obvious

[OkaPoka]

sando dismisses cj scum a lot day 2

so i don't think he landed cj n1

[OkaPoka]

though this is assuming n_m wasn't rb and didn't rb sando.

we'd need claims for lucky and cj to verify things

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: skygazer

Can we quicklynch and move on?

Actually agree with that Oka