Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 1.7

Spiffeh [1] - Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt

Katsuki [2] - Nosferatu, Katsuki

Nosferatu [2] - TehBrawlGuy, Purrcocet
Brian Skies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Spiffeh, Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [4] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, Nancy Drew 39

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

That Katsuki wagon is really interesting. Both Katsuki and Nos, both initially placed weird votes on me (and ?os has yet to give a reason for it) and now one of them is voting the other. Possible bussing here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy can you tell me your top 2 srs and trs? I'll reply later

Srs

Nos, Katsuki because of possible coordinated voting.

Trs

Rn, Purr and Ank.

I’m really liking her recent posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy can you tell me your top 2 srs and trs? I'll reply later

mylo isn't town because of his iso

Funny - depending on how you interpret this sentence, I could actually agree with you here.

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Why is Kokichi scum?

why is he town? at all?

I thought he had a few decent posts early in the game, but that's largely gone "stale".

Sorry I've been busy. I'll post more tonight. Top 3 srs and trs?

Err. I wouldn't vote Mylo. I think she is actually just busy. Just saying.

Add Kokichi to that list and still feel good about TBG.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 1.7

Spiffeh [1] - Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt

Katsuki [2] - Nosferatu, Katsuki

Nosferatu [2] - TehBrawlGuy, Purrcocet
Brian Skies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Spiffeh, Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [4] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, Nancy Drew 39

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

That Katsuki wagon is really interesting. Both Katsuki and Nos, both initially placed weird votes on me (and ?os has yet to give a reason for it) and now one of them is voting the other. Possible bussing here?

VOTE: Nos

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 1.7

Spiffeh [1] - Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt

Katsuki [2] - Nosferatu, Katsuki

Nosferatu [2] - TehBrawlGuy, Purrcocet
Brian Skies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Spiffeh, Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [4] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, Nancy Drew 39

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

That Katsuki wagon is really interesting. Both Katsuki and Nos, both initially placed weird votes on me (and ?os has yet to give a reason for it) and now one of them is voting the other. Possible bussing here?

VOTE: Nos

Nancy can you tell me your top 2 srs and trs? I'll reply later

Srs

Nos, Katsuki because of possible coordinated voting.

Trs

Rn, Purr and Ank.

I’m really liking her recent posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i do not think the wagon will happen without moment and brian tho
but nos/mylo are good counterwagons

really just waiting for scum muffin to win lylo owo

What is incredibly suspicious to me is that Nos voted Katsuki first, literally the opposite pattern of their initial vote on me.

We still have time to make this wagon happen. I’m not opposed to Mylo wagon but don’t see it as the best wagon to further the gamestate. You and TBG being on it, also makes me feel good about my vote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I do get the feeling that there's scum somewhere in wisdom/brian/muffin

purrcocet, maria, sakura hana, nancy drew 39, moment are my townreads
ankamius, TehBrawlGuy are leaning town
kAtEsuki, projectmatt, Nosferatu are kind of towny but I'm not sure, maybe spiffeh, maybe kokichi

I do get the feeling that there's scum somewhere in wisdom/brian

maybe. but IF that's true, i'd guess wisdom. and IF that's true, he might still be busing deadweight. so i, uh... don't really care right now

Why did you change his quote, instead of putting a strike through your name? Taking your name out of there instead of just crossing it out, looks like an attempt to misrepresent his post.

[Nancy Drew 39]

let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: nos

Nosferatu [5] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom
Myloninja13 [5] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh

I feel better about Nos being scum than mylo.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Man i didnt know people still fell for "lurking your wagon out" strat

He didn’t lurk. He made a bunch of content-laden posts but I, like Ank am a bit suspicious of the speed of that wagon. I also don’t know why Spiffeh is so convinced Nos is town. Why can’t scum make some villagery posts too? That doesn’t confirm anyone town, it’s the trajectory.

Like I was initially suspicious of Ank because she was acting so different from the town!Ank I’m familiar with, then I progessed to iffy on here, now I feel pretty confident she’s town.

You can’t townread someone on a few towny posts, if their other posts don’t jibe with it. Either they’re town from the getgo or they have a scummy/null to villa trajectory. I’m liking Kokichi and especially Maria a lot better.

And Nos still not giving me a reason for his sheeping Katsuki’s vote on me is still suspicious af. It’s one thing to say like Zito did in Necromancer, that he doesn’t want to give reasons but actually saying you don’t have any is really bad. Remember in Minuet, Katsuki/Nos only jumped on my wagon after Moment/Kaede and now A) Katsuki votes me w/o sr me before Dunn vote and Nos just jumps on it

without any reason

. B) Later he leads Katsuki wagon and Katsuki self-votes. C) Nos jumps on mylo wagon.

I’m also not exactly digging Spiffeh’s conftown reading of him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

tbg scum?

I dunno but his push on you is wtf but not willing to lynch there today.

If - was it Muffin? - who talked about the FG-almost-every-game post restriction? Then it depends on his reasoning. Being wrong doesn’t necessarily equal scummy. Like I think Moment’s scumread on Maria might be wrong but not probably not scummy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And Nos still not giving me a reason for his sheeping Katsuki’s vote on me is still suspicious af. It’s one thing to say like Zito did in Necromancer, that he doesn’t want to give reasons but actually saying you don’t have any is really bad. Remember in Minuet, Katsuki/Nos only jumped on my wagon after Moment/Kaede and now A) Katsuki votes me w/o sr me before Dunn vote and Nos just jumps on it

without any reason

. B) Later he leads Katsuki wagon and Katsuki self-votes. C) Nos jumps on mylo wagon.

so many things wrong here
1. I didn't sheep kats onto you, that in itself would be a reason
2. I didn't say I had a reason, I asked you if I really needed one
3. I didn't lead a kats wagon, I was asked to vote and i did (you have ambiguous pronoun use here though)

Why does it matter that I jumped onto the legit lurker lynch with 3 days left lmao

1. No not really. Why? A) Because how do I know that? B) No, it really isn’t.
2. When people either vote for me without giving a reason or IMO a bad one, it makes me very suspicious. So, I’d say, hell yes.
3. You two were one of the last ones to jump off of that wagon. Wtf are you referring to RE: pronouns?
4. Why no comment about jumping on mylo wagon?

[Nancy Drew 39]

A kats/me scumteam is actually asinine and you should be ashamed for having the undoubtedly massive mental lapse necessary to think it up.

Telling me it’s “asine”, isn’t exactly an argument. Further, telling me I “should be ashamed” for thinking that is even worse.

You have to tell me why it’s “asinine”, if you want to convince me. I highly doubt I’d feel “ashamed” in either case. Lol. BTW, you might want to ask Wisdom how well that tactic - RE: mental lapse -
paid off for him in Labrynth?

Yes, In Labrynth game, scum!Wisdom did his damndest to convince me of how unbelievably stupid it was for me to even consider ever scumreading him and his teammate random. He was extremely insistent about that too. He was hoping that his AtE faux outrage would convince me of his being obvtown. Those kind of tactics don’t fucking work on me btw. It didn’t in Labrynth and it sure as hell isn’t going to here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rip the game

Why? I agree with you about mylo wagon but why “Rip the game”?

[Nancy Drew 39]

3. You two were one of the last ones to jump off of that wagon. Wtf are you referring to RE: pronouns?

Remember in Minuet, Katsuki/Nos only jumped on my wagon after Moment/Kaede and now A) Katsuki votes me w/o sr me before Dunn vote and Nos just jumps on it without any reason. B) Later

he

leads Katsuki wagon and Katsuki self-votes. C) Nos jumps on mylo wagon.

this is an ambiguous sentence. You have multiple masculine objects before you bust out a he out of fucking nowhere, and you have no commas to separate your clauses.

Like, are you serious dude? He is referring to you. Btw, this entirely irrelevant grammar “lesson” isn’t doing jack for your cause.

[Nancy Drew 39]

4. Why no comment about jumping on mylo wagon?

because its not a factually wrong statement like the rest of the things I pointed out.

3. You two were one of the last ones to jump off of that wagon.

this literally means fucking nothing

Telling me it’s “asine”, isn’t exactly an argument. Further, telling me I “should be ashamed” for thinking that is even worse.

your reasons for thinking it exists are fucking stupid. I'm not mad that you thought I'm scum or kats is, I'm genuinely astonished that you did so in such a moronic way.

Just keep insulting me dude, are you not fucking reading what I said about scum!Wisdom in Labrynth?

All you’re accomplishing with this, is causing me to double down on my scumread on you. Why? Because, THIS IS ALMOST To The LETTER The SAME SHIT that Scum!WISDOM, tried to pull on me in Labrynth.

This isn’t going to fucking work on me, no matter how much you continue to insult me.

If it is really necessary for me to quote Wisdom doing the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING To ME, In LABRYNTH, I fucking will!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Purge the mylo wagon on a townflip

I'll reorganize by reads if it's scum

Well, Nos is doing a bangup job of convincing me to leave my leave my vote exactly where it is. You’d think he might buy a clue after I told him about what Wisdom did to me in Labrynth but apparently not. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rip the game

Why? I agree with you about mylo wagon but why “Rip the game”?

I think this lynch is useless is all

Last game had a stupid D1 lynch. I'm sure you remember what happened after.

How do you know that mylo isn’t “a stupid D1 lynch”?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't care what wisdom said in labyrinth why the fuck would i lmfao

i see wisdom say that you're wrong about him being scum and he is and then i just go

"oh shit i see i guess i am scum then"

im not insulting you, I'm insulting your idea.

and I'm going to continue to call your associative read stupid as fuck cause it is

Good for you. I am 100% trusting Ank in this game over you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't care what wisdom said in labyrinth why the fuck would i lmfao

i see wisdom say that you're wrong about him being scum and he is and then i just go

"oh shit i see i guess i am scum then"

im not insulting you, I'm insulting your idea.

and I'm going to continue to call your associative read stupid as fuck cause it is

Good for you. I am 100% trusting Ank in this game over you.

I’m less sure about Katsuki being scum. Nos/Katsuki could be w/v?

[Nancy Drew 39]

the moment lynch was pretty useless ank
the difference is this game moment is super duper townbloc material

Yeah agreed. His reaction to me when he misconstrued my post about deliberately ignoring his correct read on Gingie, seemed genuine.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

You would have found that out anyway post-game, wouldn’t you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Katsuki is a strong townread

I like his reaction. Nos’ OTOH is way over the top defensive.

He hasn’t given me a single reason my my reasoning is bad

, just continues to heap on the insults - which is very close to what Wisdom did in Labrynth.

Actually no, scum!Wisdom gave pretty convincing but misleading reasons as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah i mean for the duration of the game

Fair point.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wouldn't necessarily trust me blindly until my reads have been tested

Are you buying Nos’ AtE?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy youre on the wrong track
what i do as scum are things i do as town, so using them as a measure of scumminess is not a good idea

I’m saying that I don’t think it makes him confitown in the slightest. Even if it’s NAI, it’s still a wolfy reaction IMO. You’re free to disagree. Nico’s reaction to my pushing her D1, is the textbook definition of wrongly accused obvtown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That Katsuki wagon is really interesting. Both Katsuki and Nos, both initially placed weird votes on me (and ?os has yet to give a reason for it) and now one of them is voting the other. Possible bussing here?

This is a stupid thought process. Full stop.

Calling

it stupid is bullshit. Actually

telling me WHY, isn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The fact that you legitimately think that labyrinth!wisdom and me here have anything to do to each other is indicative of the colossal lapse in judgement you're currently going through right now

I'm excited for when it ends and you realise how fucking stupid this read is.

If you’re just gong to continue in this vein, I will ignore you because you’re wasting my time. Why don’t you instead, tell me whats makes mylo so scummy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is this level of aggression normal for Ace as town

I don’t know but I just put a stop to it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That Katsuki wagon is really interesting. Both Katsuki and Nos, both initially placed weird votes on me (and ?os has yet to give a reason for it) and now one of them is voting the other. Possible bussing here?

This is a stupid thought process. Full stop.

For what it's worth, I agree with what Nosferatu is saying on this.

There is nothing remotely “stupid” about it and I will ignore anyone who addresses me this way in this game, going forward.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Nancy just comes from a very small community where things like this are a lot more relevant

Please explain.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 1.9

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Nosferatu [2] - Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [8] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Wisdom
projectmatt [1] - TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, MariaR

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

So we’re waiting for a claim or hammer basically. They haven’t done anything overtly scummy though ‘ \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

they're not here.

they're not going to.

I'm going to be

V/LA

for an indefinite period of time, but I can say simply that my wagon is suspicious as hell. I'd be pretty sure there's at least one mafia on there.

Doesn’t seem like it. So, what are people waiting 5-6 hours for? Nothing is going to change between now and then and he won’t even be prodded for the next 48 hrs.

[Nancy Drew 39]

He probably flips villa though, does anyone care at this point? Probably not because we need a lynch. Lol.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Should I guys? Mylo isn’t going to claim or vote before EOD.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hammer, please. The suspense is killing me.

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He probably flips villa though, does anyone care at this point? Probably not because we need a lynch. Lol.

Well, that would be my guess. I’d honestly be shocked if he flips red.

So, do people want me to hammer on most propably a lurking villa who isn’t going to claim or vote before EOD?

[Nancy Drew 39]

No one was

killed

in

Night 1

.

This is weird.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 1.10

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Nosferatu [2] - Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma

Myloninja13 [9] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Wisdom, zMuffinMan [LYNCH]

projectmatt [1] - TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting [2]

- Myloninja13, MariaR

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

I find it hard to believe no bussing occured but then he was a PR, so?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Purrcocet how do I look?

That’s a strange question?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Purrcocet how do I look?

Purr (and anyone else who wants to weigh in),

What do you think of this question?

[Nancy Drew 39]

One non-Main Character will be revealed at random at the beginning of each Day Phase.

You're right

@Mod: Did u forget to reveal a non main character?

It might be cause scum didn't kill?

FakeGod isnt one to forget things

Is that typical for FG?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm just saying, I think there is prob a reason. Maybe scum has to complete a kill for a non main character to be revealed

Well I remember him saying at the end of Minuet, that the non-main characters opening the day are there to help scum, so maybe it’s for balance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ah ok. Can you give me your wisdom read?

let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: nos

Nosferatu [5] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom
Myloninja13 [5] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh

What is your take on this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would rather not get into it, in case im wrong.

There's too much bad that can happen if i am.

I'm not speaking another language, just think wisdom is scum here based on meta. Considering I've played about 10 games with him at this point.

Tbf though you also scumread him in Minuet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

can we just leave ank alone

whatever shes doing, it doesn't look scum motivated

I remember really liking this post. It seemed genuine.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ah ok. Can you give me your wisdom read?

let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: nos

Nosferatu [5] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom
Myloninja13 [5] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh

What is your take on this?

Another reason he is obviously scum.

Well the reason this post stuck out at me, was I remember a game on MU, where scum did something similar. Have you seen any games where town does this or is it NAI?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, place ur faith in the super duper townbloc pls

Yeah, I should have realized what Brian was talking about. Mylo pretty much maide this hugeass wall with nothing of substance.

What is your take on Maria defending Mylo so vigorously?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Isn't idly and passively parking on a counterwagon really weird for town Wisdom

Especially to defend a scum partner that isn't exactly a strong presence in the game

Yes, even if he was VLA he'd stick to his reads with good reason. He flipped on poor reasons for a bus.

I’ve only played one game with scum!Wisdom where he was a sub. He bussed once, then harddefended his scumbuddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

yeah i mean for the duration of the game

see the katsuki scumread that followed it, for example
it made me be useless for the whole game

Derp or possible scum slip?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Scum slip.

Nancy stop towntelling so hard, I need you to be here all game

Well, hopefully the town doc will save me. I made it all the way to LYLO in Labrynth as the cop-cleared IC. Lol.

Yeah, mislynching someone usually helps tremendously in your townread of them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

yeah i mean for the duration of the game

see the katsuki scumread that followed it, for example
it made me be useless for the whole game

Derp or possible scum slip?

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you really need me to spell that out?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

yeah i mean for the duration of the game

see the katsuki scumread that followed it, for example
it made me be useless for the whole game

Derp or possible scum slip?

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you really need me to spell that out?

The first bolded is clearly a contradiction. Are you being purposely obtuse here?

The second bolded looks like a save.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't get it either

Seriously?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The first bolded is clearly a contradiction. Are you being purposely obtuse here?

no it isn't. you're misreading the meaning of his posts.

but im kinda bored, explain to me why its a contradiction pls?

He basically said that if it weren’t for the lynch, he’d be scumreading Moment for the entire game.

First he says, for all eternity, then he corrrcts himself and says,

the DURATION of the game.

The point is that he is saying that the mislynch was a good thing or else he would have been scumreading Moment.

So contradiction may not be quite the right word but the implication that a mislynch is good for sorting a dead slot for the duration of the game, doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.

That’s why I asked if it was a derp or a scum slip. It’s weird but I don’t know if it’s necessarily scummy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

You would have found that out anyway post-game, wouldn’t you?

yeah i mean for the duration of the game

She means this part.

Yeah, thanks for correcting me. I’m really good at noticing things that don’t quite add up but not always so hot at explaining them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hm? I'm right there with you on this Wisdom wagon really not being that great of an idea right now.

Na

ncy Drew is going to joi

n the dark side

But really tho stop confusing her
There's nothing really wrong with what you pointed out Nancy.... like nothing..... at all......... ...

I wonder if Kokichi could explain the "scum slip" to us.

He can kill one of us but he can't kill both of us!

Thanks. I never said it was necessarily scummy, just that it didn’t make sense. But maybe I should just shut up and keep my insights to myself.

I’m kind if sick of getting jumped on.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy have you seen the matrix

you are the chosen one

Yes I have. Are you going to ask me to choose between the red pill and the blue pill now? Lol

If Nos or Moment had made this post instead of you, I think I might just quit because both clearly want to shut me down.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Anyway thanks for the laugh guys

at Nancy’s rxpense

, I really needed that

time to sleep

FIFY, yw.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Anyway thanks for the laugh guys

at Nancy’s rxpense

, I really needed that

time to sleep

FIFY, yw.

P.edit expense

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thanks. I never said it was necessarily scummy, just that it didn’t make sense. But maybe I should just shut up and keep my insights to myself.

i just find it hilarious that after you pointed out something innocuous and asked if it was scummy
kokichi treated it like you hold the coordinates to shangri-la and were now in danger of getting nightkilled
and then literally no one else in the game understood it
and then kokichi said something different from what you explained what you meant

i find that genuinely hysterical

No his correction of my post was an accurate refection of what I meant. He just explained it a lot better.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The logic itself wasn't funny

It was the sheer difference of how Kokichi responded from everyone else that was funny

Oh okay. I was surprised that you’d make fun of me, because I know you deal with the same kind of thing, so thanks for clarifying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't want to "shut you down", I just wanted to know what on Earth you were talking about. My saying that there isn't actually a scumslip or contradiction isn't something I

want

to say, it's just the truth as I see it.

I think - whatever his intention was at the time - implying mislynching someone helps you correctly sort them for the duration of the game, is an odd thing to say. That’s why I asked if it was a derp or a scumslip but on rereading, it clearly reads like a derp over anything else.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy you're not reading between the lines

Moment being lynched was good because it meant Wisdom would be able to not be in the way of the town gamesolving

Otherwise he would have been trying to steer town onto Moment all game

But I opposed the initial scum!Gingie wagon, so at least we got it right this time.

[Nancy Drew 39]

who cares if you don't think it's a scumslip, he's still scum.

I guess I’ll have to return my Neo costume now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But when does town wisdom ever give up his lynch that easily toward end of day for 0 reason.

I’m still suspicious but I’m not sure it’s not NAI yet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The first bolded is clearly a contradiction. Are you being purposely obtuse here?

no it isn't. you're misreading the meaning of his posts.

but im kinda bored, explain to me why its a contradiction pls?

He basically said that if it weren’t for the lynch, he’d be scumreading Moment for the entire game.

First he says, for all eternity, then he corrrcts himself and says,

the DURATION of the game.

The point is that he is saying that the mislynch was a good thing or else he would have been scumreading Moment.

So contradiction may not be quite the right word but the implication that a mislynch is good for sorting a dead slot for the duration of the game, doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.

That’s why I asked if it was a derp or a scum slip. It’s weird but I don’t know if it’s necessarily scummy.

It's sometimes better to lynch town than scum if the town is going to be a distraction until it is lynched

If someone with bad reads is going to be shoving it down everyone's throats until their biggest scumread flips town, then lynching that town will destroy the basis of the false confidence

It's an opportunity cost, sometimes you have to lynch town over scum to win since having a united town is generally stronger than a single town actively pushing perfect reads and four others pushing completely different all-town scumteams.

You mean sorting out potential mislynchbait.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If Nos or Moment had made this post instead of you, I think I might just quit because both clearly want to shut me down.

whatever u say b0ss

Well maybe not Moment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The first bolded is clearly a contradiction. Are you being purposely obtuse here?

no it isn't. you're misreading the meaning of his posts.

but im kinda bored, explain to me why its a contradiction pls?

He basically said that if it weren’t for the lynch, he’d be scumreading Moment for the entire game.

First he says, for all eternity, then he corrrcts himself and says,

the DURATION of the game.

The point is that he is saying that the mislynch was a good thing or else he would have been scumreading Moment.

So contradiction may not be quite the right word but the implication that a mislynch is good for sorting a dead slot for the duration of the game, doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.

That’s why I asked if it was a derp or a scum slip. It’s weird but I don’t know if it’s necessarily scummy.

If this isn't resolved by now: Wisdom is talking about his read on moment in day 1 of Minuet's trio, not this game

Yes, I’m aware of that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Huh, after all that Nancy isnt even voting Wisdom.
Interesting

I said I thought it was a derp before Ank clarified it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

yeah i mean for the duration of the game

see the katsuki scumread that followed it, for example
it made me be useless for the whole game

Derp or possible scum slip?

You know we were talking about minuet there, right?

Yes, I know that. I don’t know why you and Dunn think I meant something else.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Huh, after all that Nancy isnt even voting Wisdom.
Interesting

not really tho

Especially since I haven’t exactly said I wouldn’t. I haven’t voted anyone yet and neither has the majority of the playerlist.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes, I know that. I don’t know why you and Dunn think I meant something else.

because you seemed like you misunderstood

what exactly were you calling a derp?

I’ve already explained that, which Ank clarified for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yo @Momentum @Brian Skies
kokichi red pm yes no maybe so?

Yo @Momentum @Brian Skies
kokichi red pm yes no maybe so?

It's something I've been considering.

Why does he keep telling me that he “needs [me] in this game”? He didn’t do that in Minuet.
In that game, his only concern regarding me, was sorting me correctly.

Especially since I was clearly wrong about mylo. Him valuing my input so highly doesn’t make sense based just on him townreading me. And then when I said I didn’t think Wisdom scumslipped, he was annoyed with me.

@Kokichi , are you pocketing me here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

yea he trying to finesse u

This seems highly reminiscent of scum!Ank in Minuet. Lol

I don’t have a lot of experience - contrary to what Moment believes - of being pocketed but Ank taught me well. Lol

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yo @Momentum @Brian Skies
kokichi red pm yes no maybe so?

Yo @Momentum @Brian Skies
kokichi red pm yes no maybe so?

It's something I've been considering.

Why does he keep telling me that he “needs [me] in this game”? He didn’t do that in Minuet.
In that game, his only concern regarding me, was sorting me correctly.

Especially since I was clearly wrong about mylo. Him valuing my input so highly doesn’t make sense based just on him townreading me. And then when I said I didn’t think Wisdom scumslipped, he was annoyed with me.

@Kokichi , are you pocketing me here?

Yes you caught me

And I only told you that once. You're blowing it out of proportion

Sorry but once is still suspicious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: nos

Nosferatu [5] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom
Myloninja13 [5] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh

VOTE: mylo

l-1

I'll let wisdom answer himself but these are the posts I went "hm" on so why did you do this?

I’m kind’ve questioning if he would really do something that obvious as scum. Wisdom is a really good scum player, based on what I observed in Labrynth. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh, I kind of skipped over the Maria discussion. Having read back through the game during the night, I didn't think that scum Maria would talk about the Mylo wagon the way she did. I'd imagine that scum, seeing their partner go down, would almost always choose to try to gain some kind of credit from it rather than make a defense that would certainly be futile. Some of these quotes should show what I'm referring to:

Spoiler:

Sakura I still have as a scumlean but not as hard as before because I feel like she's voting anything that walks.

yeah that's what i'm doing, kinda.
Dunno why that lowers your scumlean tho.

I don't remember you being as reckless as scum.

Also the mylongninja wagon is bad it's a 3 person lurker that will give no info regardless of the flip.

Will vote Mylo if it reaches 16 hours or less and then when that flips town Brain Muffin and Dunn all go in the grinder

If you explain yours I'll happily do the same. Even though I've done that about twice already (besides muffin)
Pedit: Mylo is the easy lurker lynch that scum are going to grab onto for a free mislynch. Nothing Mylo has done looks that towny or scummy to me but the way votes are happening it's telling all in itself.

Like I kid you not i'd bet money scum prob in there head be like "oh shit partner getting wagoned let's wagon mylo" I don't see Mylo flipping scum although it is a great info lynch to see where everyone makes an excuse to scumread next so I don't mind them dying per say
Pedit: I already explain mine kind of to friend!
Pedit2: Never said that

The fact wagons have tried to get started and then lead back to Mylo is telling in itself that we were wagoning scum most likely at one point and then it just went back to Mylo but hey go nuts and wagon town I'll hear all your excuses D2

In contrast to scum betraying their knowledge of everyone's alignment, I feel like comments such as these betray a

lack

of informedness.

I was thinking about your Maria buddying comments D1 and now I understand why nothing she did actually looked like buddying to me. Because, it just seemed quite natural to me and I doubt I would have even considered it, had you not suggested it first. Usually if I’m being pocketed, I’ll get pinged in some way. There will be something about the way they’re reacting to me that either seems insincere or over the top, and I didn’t get that sense at all from Maria.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, as long as TBG, Katsuki, and zMuffinMan are still "playing" the game like they are, my list of suspects pretty much just boils down to Kokichi, matt and maybe Spiffeh. So...

VOTE: projectmatt

------

I was thinking about your Maria buddying comments D1 and now I understand why nothing she did actually looked like buddying to me. Because, it just seemed quite natural to me and I doubt I would have even considered it, had you not suggested it first. Usually if I’m being pocketed, I’ll get pinged in some way. There will be something about the way they’re reacting to me that either seems insincere or over the top, and I didn’t get that sense at all from Maria.

Sure.

I don’t know if that’s sarcasm but I’m not wrong about that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wasn't saying you were.

What are your thoughts on Kokichi, Spiffeh? Kokichi’s “I need you to be in this game” comment, definitely sounds like pocketing because there is no logical basis for it. His explanation rests on his reading me as obvtown, nothing else.

I think Ank is likely town based on tone. I could be wrong about this but she seems genuine. I can’t say I feel that about Spiffeh but then I don’t know his meta, so that’s not much to go on.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well I did scumread you at first.

And Nancy, you bringing up that is weird. Last game when I townread you, did I give a reason other than meta?

Yes you did scumread me first, why does that preclude you pocketing me now?

What is weird about it?

When did I ever say I was suspicious of you townreading me?

You know damn well, that isn’t what made me suspicious. It’s the “I need you in the game” comment which from what you were saying. was entirely predicted on that. Because it doesn’t make any sense. How does being read as obvtown somehow turn you into the great scumhunting hope?

[Nancy Drew 39]

It was a joke. I was exaggerating. Why do you take everything so seriously. I do townread you though.

It’s a Mafia game and I’m trying to sort you?

In Minuet, I never even questioned that you might not be town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Alright. I'll go ahead and just say that I disagree with him.

Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i disagree

he just said hes town

You’re saying scum never does that ?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i disagree

he just said hes town

You’re saying scum never does that ?

Not saying Spiffeh is scum but I don’t understand why you necessarily view this as AI?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lol at these recent posts. No wonder I don’t have any clue who to vote for yet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nothing he hasn’t been doing this entire game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nothing he hasn’t been doing this entire game.

i feel like ur targeting me here nancy

Nope, just relaying my observations. Am I suspicious of you because of that? Yes.

You have yet to give me any reason to townclear you. In Minuet, I only had one - you being on my wagon, other than that, I sas no other reason not to townread you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I noticed something curious in the ruleset for this game. Anyone else notice it?

Tell us.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Brian do you think Maria/Kokichi has 1?

I think that Maria has a good chance of being scum. I don't really think it's Kokichi.

I don't think there necessarily has to be 1 in those two, but that's how my reads are. I don't know why you asked me this question since if you've been following my posts this day, you would have already known my answer.

i need to fake interaction so people townread me

@projectmatt wya need you to master all 4 elements and defeat the fire lord

I’m pretty sure you’re town here but if I ever roll scum, I really hope you’re my teammate.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Forgotten Hourglass

Sequel to Minuet's Trio

Alive

1. Katsuki
   
2. Kokichi Oma
   
3. Sakura Hana
   
4. Nancy Drew 39
   
5. MariaR
   
6. Dunnstral
   
7. TehBrawlGuy
   
8. zMuffinMan
   
9. Brian Skies
   
10. Wisdom
    
11. Moment
    
12. Spiffeh
    
13. Ankamius
    
14. Purrcocet
    
15. Nosferatu
    
16. projectmatt

Dead

1. Myloninja13, who was
   Miracle of Daybreak
   , and
   Mafia

   Roleblocker
   , has been
   lynched
   in
   Day 1
   .

Vote Counts, and Other Links

1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 1.5 | 1.6 | 1.7 | 1.8 | 1.9 | 1.10

2.0 | 2.1 | 2.2

Spoiler: Setup

Setup

Public Knowledge

There are three

Main Characters

in this game. At least one of them is aligned with

Town

.
One

non-Main Character

will be revealed at random at the beginning of each

Day Phase

.
There are no 3rd party aligned roles in this game.
There is only one scum faction in this game.
Mafia member may use any ability he/she has in addition to submitting a night kill.

Suspenseful Third Day

will cast the first vote in the game. Countdown timer will start after

Suspenseful Third Day

casts a vote.

Poisoners

and

Doctors

do not have guns, and are immune to being

poisoned

, but a

Doctor

cannot save someone from being

poisoned

.
Town and Scum win conditions are public.

Town Win Condition

You win when all

Mafia

-aligned players are

dead

, and there is at least one

Town

-aligned players

alive

.

Scum Win Condition

You win when number of

Mafia

-aligned players

alive

is greater than or equal to the number of

Town

-aligned players

alive

.

Spoiler: Sample Role PMs

Name -

Run Lads Run

Role -

Vanilla Townie

Alignment -

Town

Ability

• You have no special abilities.

Town Win Condition

You win when all

Mafia

-aligned players are

dead

, and there is at least one

Town

-aligned player

alive

.

Name -

Celia

Role -

Main Character - Alternating Cop/Vig

Alignment -

Town

Ability

• You may investigate or vig a player during the night. You may not use the same ability two nights in a row.

Town Win Condition

You win when all

Mafia

-aligned players are

dead

, and there is at least one

Town

-aligned player

alive

.

Spoiler: Sample Role Flip

Sample Role Flip

FakeGod, who was

Run Lads Run

, and

Town

Vanilla Townie

, has been

lynched

in

pregame

.

Spoiler: Ruleset

FakeGod's Mafia RuleSet

• ONE: FUNDAMENTALS
  • All site-wide rules apply. Read and respect them.
    
  • There is no personal communication outside the forum postings (regarding this game) unless your role specifically allows it.
    
  • Do not quote your Role PM or any private communication (either real or fabricated) with the moderator, co-moderator, backup-moderator, or fellow players. Paraphrasing your Role PM is acceptable.
    
  • Be courteous and respectful to all your fellow players and the moderating team.
    
  • Play to your Win Condition.
• TWO: DAY PHASE
  • Each Day Phase shall have a 8 days deadline.
    
  • Votes must be
    bolded
    or they shall not be counted. Abbreviating someone's name is acceptable, so long as I can discern who you were voting for without trouble.
    
  • Unvoting is not required, but is much appreciated by the mods. If you control more than one vote, Unvoting will unvote all of your votes, unless you specify which vote you unvote.
    
  • Once you have reached a simple majority (half of all living players plus one) that person's fate is sealed and they shall be lynched. Unvoting cannot change their fate.
    
  • If half the living players approve a No Lynch (
    Vote: No Lynch
    ), then no player shall be lynched and the game shall enter Night Phase. If deadline is reached and no one has received a simple majority of the votes, no one shall be lynched.
    
  • Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I arrive and post a death scene. All players may continue to post during Twilight.
    
  • Please post at least once every four days. If you fail to do so, you will be replaced.
    
  • A deadline extension may or may not be granted; just ask.
    
  • Votes and Unvotes shall not count in Twilight.
• THREE: NIGHT PHASE
  • Night Phase shall last two days.
    
  • All groups with Private Topics (PTs) will be able to converse during the Night Phase.
    
  • Any role or faction with night abilities may choose to use them by PM-ing the mod with their choice.
    
  • If no action is received, no action will be taken. All actions received after the deadline has passed will not be valid.
    
  • Night Action submissions will be accepted starting in the Twilight Phase.
• FOUR: CAPITAL OFFENSES
  • Do not quote your Role PM or any private communication (either real or fabricated) with the moderator, co-moderator, or backup-moderator. Paraphrasing your Role PM is acceptable.
    
  • There is to be no personal communication outside the forum postings (regarding this game) unless your role specifically allows it.
    
  • The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
    • Using invisible text, codes, cryptography, etc.
      
    • Editing your posts (if you have the power to do so)
      
    • Insulting other players
      
    • Quoting any PTs you may have access to
  • If any of these offenses are committed, I have the right to force-replace you from the game or modkill you.
• FIVE: MISCELLANEOUS
  • Feel free to address me in-thread, but if there is a large egregious mistake please PM me. Small matters like errors in the votecount can be posted in-thread.
    
  • I have the final say on any issue. I reserve the right to force-replace and modkill at my will.
    
  • This is a game. Have fun, and keep the game fun for other people. Stay civilized, please.
    
  • I have the right to edit this RuleSet at any time.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Poisoners and Doctors do not have guns, and are immune to being poisoned, but a Doctor cannot save someone from being poisoned.

The doc can’t save anyone from being poisoned?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Poisoners and Doctors do not have guns, and are immune to being poisoned, but a Doctor cannot save someone from being poisoned.

The doc can’t save anyone from being poisoned?

@Moment

[Nancy Drew 39]

Only just now you noticed that?

I read it but I didn’t think anything about it untl Moment brought it up.

So we have one doc and and poisoner - probably just Mafia unless there’s also a vig who can also poison.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy do me a favor and sheep my vote?

But how can you be sure Matt is scum? We hopefully hit the scum poisoner. Obviously whomever was the intended NK target last night wasn’t poisoned, so scum must have been targeting the doc, since they are immune. We probably also have some town vig in this setup as well but maybe only a 1-shot?

[Nancy Drew 39]

did you actually just quote the whole fucking post

holy shit

Yes, I have formatting issues on this site.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Poisoners and Doctors do not have guns, and are immune to being poisoned, but a Doctor cannot save someone from being poisoned.

less than 5 seconds

Want a cookie?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy

i believe in #trust

You’re asking me to trust Nos in this game?

How does this make Matt scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah ok

not about to catch a ban cause i havent had my tea yet and you wanna quote the whole first post for no reason whatsoever

I don’t WANT to, I don’t know HOW not to do it withouth screwing up the font size/fomatting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if you take the blue pill,
the story ends and you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe


if you take the [projectmatt wagon]
you stay in wonderland, and i show you how deep the rabbit hole goes

I need you to show me why Matt is scum. Only FakeGod=Morpheus in this situation.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t know HOW not to do it withouth screwing up the font size/fomatting.

You highlight the text you want to quote, then click quote

Okay but without names. When I tried including that, it got messed up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

kokichi this is worse than minuet
you can at least try to read me

Ok. Convince me why you are town.

I think you both could be town based on this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wow I just read that first page. So someone didn't die because mafia poisoned someone? Or. Are people notified when poisoned?

No, no one died probably due to doc protection and doc can’t protect against poisoning, which is why I think scum was probably targeting the doc last night because Doc is immune. So scum either didn’t use poisoning last night or they were targeting the doc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wow I just read that first page. So someone didn't die because mafia poisoned someone? Or. Are people notified when poisoned?

Only FG knows for sure.

[Nancy Drew 39]

kokichi this is worse than minuet
you can at least try to read me

Ok. Convince me why you are town.

I think you both could be town based on this.

No. Hes maf. Cant give a reason why hes town

Who are your other suspects besides Wisdom? There are at least 2 scum left in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Guys...

La Mulana 2 just released...

This is a tough decision, reread or spend all night binging on that game

Was I wrong to townread you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Did Mylo count as one of the 3 main characters?

Don’t think so, or FG would have said so. He did after Ank flip in Minuet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i wonder if yours truly has a guardian angel

You think the doc saved you last night?

[Nancy Drew 39]

There are three Main Characters in this game. At least one of them is aligned with Town.

Then what's the point of this if mafia have PRs who are non main characters

The main characters probably have double powers like Ank’s double Mafia jailkeep.

[Nancy Drew 39]

main characters arent the only PRs you know. They tend however to be stronger than the other PRs.

Remember Minuet's trio, town had a bunch of vanilla cops, and scum had one, town and scum both had a D2 Vig, none of them were main characters, but the main characters were a Scum double JK, a Town Weak FN, and a Town Tracker+Watcher

Yes, so is the scum poisoner and town doc likely mains?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Guys...

La Mulana 2 just released...

This is a tough decision, reread or spend all night binging on that game

Was I wrong to townread you?

Probably yes

You’re post could be NAI or a convenient excuse for not paying attention to the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So roleblocker wasn't a main character so scum have something more powerful than a roleblocker? [Assuming poisoner] is it possible that we could have town poisoner?

Could be possible 1-shot vig?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Poisoners and Doctors do not have guns, and are immune to being poisoned, but a Doctor cannot save someone from being poisoned.

The doc can’t save anyone from being poisoned?

not likely

Why not?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 2.3

Wisdom [4] -

Kokichi Oma

,

Dunnstral

x2, Sakura Hana

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-04 15:00:00)

kokichi probably is
this wagon.... lmfao


side note mariatown prolly

i wonder if yours truly has a guardian angel

You think the doc saved you last night?

yeah

who else here meows? no one

Could be.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually Nancy you bring up a good point

Why WERE you town reading me?

You seemed genuine but that game post has me rethinking my tr on you, because it would be so easy for scum to hide behind something like that. Ftr, I’m not necessarily scumreading you for that either but it made me suspicious anyway.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, why do your posts this game feel like you're super uncertain of everything.

Have you seen my other games? How is this new for me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, why do your posts this game feel like you're super uncertain of everything.

Purr, your take on this please.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i just want to see if nancy can fake all this silliness as scum

What exactly do you think I’m faking here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, why do your posts this game feel like you're super uncertain of everything.

Purr, your take on this please.

it's not like it's a scumread but i don't see the point of it at all cause you're the most town player here

i just want to see if

nancy can fake all this silliness as scum

What about this post? Particularly the bolded.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i just want to see if

nancy can fake all this silliness as scum

What exactly do you think I’m faking here?

guess what, you failed at comprehension once again

While I obviously don’t appreciate you calling me “silly” and it’s wholly consistent with your meta to do this, the bolded seems suspicious to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

guess what, you failed at comprehension once again

So why not instead say, that you don’t think I’m faking anything then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

okay, heres the translation

im townreading you and I think these misunderstandings you have are so obvtown that i wonder how youd attempt to replicate them as scum

Oh okay, sorry I misunderstood you.

Do you think Sakura should seriously be questioning me about this, given how confused I was throughout most of Minuet?

[Nancy Drew 39]

okay, heres the translation

im townreading you and I think these misunderstandings you have are so obvtown that i wonder how youd attempt to replicate them as scum

Oh okay, sorry I misunderstood you.

Do you think Sakura should seriously be questioning me about this, given how confused I was throughout most of Minuet?

@Wisdom

[Nancy Drew 39]

it didnt even look like questioning

So, what do make of it? Possible shading?

Nancy, why do your posts this game feel like you're super uncertain of everything.

[Nancy Drew 39]

muffin lockscum

Nancy Drew, Moment, look after the cats when I'm gone
I'm going to be murdered tonight

He really really like REALLY is scum tho like deadass

But the doc can save you tonight again, right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

katsuki town
muffin literally looking yall in th eyes while he power scums


PEDIT YO LMFAO THAT VOTE IS A SVUM CLAIM

He’s vottng me because I didn’t know mylo was scum basically.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why does me saying this:

Nancy, why do your posts this game feel like you're super uncertain of everything.

Make muffin look into Mylo <-> Nancy interactions then vote her.

Because as Wisdom said, it wasn’t actually a question. If I’’m scum do you really believe I say at pretty much the last moment that I expect him to flip green?

[Nancy Drew 39]

He’s vottng me because I didn’t know mylo was scum basically.

the opposite actually

e.g. #1280 makes it look like you knew his alignment

Then why wouldn’t I try to get bussing credit then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

He’s vottng me because I didn’t know mylo was scum basically.

the opposite actually

e.g. #1280 makes it look like you knew his alignment

Well, you will find out I didn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't want to lynch Nancy

I promise you I’m town, exact same as last time.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you didnt want him lynched

I thought he was a villa. I would have hammered in an hour or so. I was kicking myself after the flip when everyone said he was scum.

I don’t know why my reads always suck so bad on D1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But the doc can save you tonight again, right?

why are you assuming purr was shot last night?

She seems to think she was the target. Do you need me to quote you the post?

[Nancy Drew 39]

But the doc can save you tonight again, right?

if death calls for me i must answer

He’s vottng me because I didn’t know mylo was scum basically.

i dont think this town is dumb enough to lynch you even with the power of muffin
if they do scum deserves the w anyway

Muffin is pushing my mislynch and they’re sheeping him blindly. Well, at least I know Wisdom and Dunn are town - I never really thought Dunn wasn’t though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm kinda confused tbh, muffin's D1 reminded me a lot of scum!muffin, but this muffin's push on Nancy seems like town!muffin.

Well that push is wrong. I could claim but it got me into trouble in Minuet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm kinda confused tbh, muffin's D1 reminded me a lot of scum!muffin, but this muffin's push on Nancy seems like town!muffin.

In Minuet he actually tried to sort me, he didn’t try to push a mislynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I’’m scum do you really believe I say at pretty much the last moment that I expect him to flip green?

yes. i think you tried to push counter wagons until the end of the day where you had no choice but to accept it and make the most of it by pretending youre clueless about it. your assuredness that mylo was a mislynch for no good reason is what stands out, as opposed to say ankamius who repeatedly mentioned wagon dynamics

also i think the aggressive way you've been shutting people down (such as when bringing up wisdom and a labyrinth game when talking to people who arent wisdom as though it meant something) dont look anything like how you normally interact with others

Believe me I wasn’t pretending. You seriously think I wanted to look like an idiot?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I’’m scum do you really believe I say at pretty much the last moment that I expect him to flip green?

yes. i think you tried to push counter wagons until the end of the day where you had no choice but to accept it and make the most of it by pretending youre clueless about it. your assuredness that mylo was a mislynch for no good reason is what stands out, as opposed to say ankamius who repeatedly mentioned wagon dynamics

also i think the aggressive way you've been shutting people down (such as when bringing up wisdom and a labyrinth game when talking to people who arent wisdom as though it meant something) dont look anything like how you normally interact with others

Believe me I wasn’t pretending. You seriously think I wanted to look like an idiot?

It’s totally relevant though because Wisdom was scum in that game and I’d never played with scum!Wisdom brfore, so why wouldn’t that mean anything? How is that not totally relevant?

Nos was non-stop implying I was dumb. You expect me not to defend myself?

[Nancy Drew 39]

so why were you apparently so sure hed flip town?

Because I majorly suck. Happy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why does me saying this:

Nancy, why do your posts this game feel like you're super uncertain of everything.

Make muffin look into Mylo <-> Nancy interactions then vote her.

he doesn't mention maria who also defended mylo (even after he flipped) because maria is actually probably a harder mislynch to get than nancy in this game

Yeah she hard defended him but I wasn’t even opposed to it. I just didn’t think he was scum. I really should have though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I’’m scum do you really believe I say at pretty much the last moment that I expect him to flip green?

yes. i think you tried to push counter wagons until the end of the day where you had no choice but to accept it and make the most of it by pretending youre clueless about it. your assuredness that mylo was a mislynch for no good reason is what stands out, as opposed to say ankamius who repeatedly mentioned wagon dynamics

also i think the aggressive way you've been shutting people down (such as when bringing up wisdom and a labyrinth game when talking to people who arent wisdom as though it meant something) dont look anything like how you normally interact with others

Believe me I wasn’t pretending. You seriously think I wanted to look like an idiot?

It’s totally relevant though because Wisdom was scum in that game and I’d never played with scum!Wisdom brfore, so why wouldn’t that mean anything? How is that not totally relevant?

Nos was non-stop implying I was dumb. You expect me not to defend myself?

God, how does this keep happening? Emojis that I don’t post. Once it happened with a yawning emote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't want to lynch Nancy

this is what happens when you don't want to [projectmatt wagon] >_<

Why are you convinced Matt s scum? What am I not seeing?

[Nancy Drew 39]

the progression of maria and ankamius was natural based on their stated suspicions

yours wasnt

and no, that isnt an explanation for why you were so sure of it

I wasn’t at all sure but I thought it very likely. I generally suck at scumreads early in the game. You remember how much better I did near the end of Minuet, right?

So I was dead wrong about mylo, that doesn’t make me scum just bad at D1 reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

the progression of maria and ankamius was natural based on their stated suspicions

yours wasnt

and no, that isnt an explanation for why you were so sure of it

No but it’s the truth.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im impressed tho he really puttin in work for this case

Do you think Muffin honestly believes I’m scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

But the doc can save you tonight again, right?

if death calls for me i must answer

He’s vottng me because I didn’t know mylo was scum basically.

i dont think this town is dumb enough to lynch you even with the power of muffin
if they do scum deserves the w anyway

i wonder if yours truly has a guardian angel

[Nancy Drew 39]

i will endgame you

i will endgame you

i will endgame you

Nancy, just read this a couple times until you feel the same terror that I will feel in my nightmares

In Minuet, he tunneled me, pushed and tried to sort me. I don’t think he cares what my alignment is, or that’s how it’s looking to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

_why_ did you think it was likely?

Mylo flipping green§? Yeah because I thought he was a disinterested lurker but lukers don’t make those kind of posts, so how could I not see?

[Nancy Drew 39]

also who do you actually think is scum right now?

Nos? spiffeh, maybe? I’m better at townreads this early on. So I wouldn’t sheep me until later in the game.

Purr, Moment, Dunn. Wisdom, TBG, probably Maria? =town. I think Kokichi may be but wrong about Wisdom. Ank, still maybe town.

Brian was early on mylo, so that looks good for him, since I don’t see scum wanting to hardbus their rolrblocker D1.

Do you think Matt is scum? I don’t like to sheep unless it makes sense to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah i dont care about figuring out your alignment, that's why i'm asking you questions, duh

Now you are but not at the time I posted that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah i dont care about figuring out your alignment, that's why i'm asking you questions, duh

Now you are but not at the time I posted that.

I thought mylo was an lhf lurker mislynch because I have horrible D1 reads and since I can’t see what everyone is saying about Matt, probably my D2 reads this game are still bad.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im impressed tho he really puttin in work for this case

Do you think Muffin honestly believes I’m scum?

nooo

You obviously don’t think he’s honestly trying to sort me either, right? His case on me looks like confibias.

Purr do you think I should claim or not?

Also, please tell me what I’m missing about Matt?

[Nancy Drew 39]

why do you have a town read on tbg?

why do you have a town read on wisdom?

For one, both of them are reading me correctly. Someone - was it Sakura - posted that post restrictions are a thing in FG game. Is that right? He hasn’t given me any reason to scumread him, so far. Eventhough he’s posting in pictures, they’re full of content. He isn’t just spamming. Why wouldn’t scum!Wisdom not want to jump on my wagon? I also like his early post defending Ank. It sounded genuine to me. I also liked his reponse to Kokichi push.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you trying to give us nightmares?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler: hey nancy

Meh. Sleep is highly overrated anyhow.

Spoiler:

Somebody hold me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You obviously don’t think he’s honestly trying to sort me either, right? His case on me looks like confibias.

Purr do you think I should claim or not?

Also, please tell me what I’m missing about Matt?

1.no
2.no

3. gimme a sec lol

Spoiler:

Somebody hold me.

;-;
Don't worry he's going to kill me in my sleep

I need you in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

patpat Nancy

Thanks. Please keep the

boogey

Muffin man away from me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

are you calling fakegod a liar?

If you had a guilty on TBG, then why were you trying to lynch me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

uh

im still trying to figure out what the PM FG sent me last night means exactly

OK I GET WHATS GOING ON HERE NOW

I MISINTERPRETED FGs PM LAST NIGHT

I HAVE AN INVESTIGATION GUILTY ON DUNNSTRAL

VOTE DUNNSTRAL

—————————————————————

btw wisdom, why are you not voting the guilty that i didnt forget about for a moment because it's super real?

because it isn't and tbg is town

are you calling fakegod a liar?

The SECOND quote is from Minuet, before we mislynched Dunn.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I TRACKED ANKAMIUS TO GRAPES LAST NIGHT LOL

VOTE: ANKAMIUS

How interesting, it seems FG is now a fan of Amnesiac roles.

I received a PM stating that Ginngie and Ginngie alone visited muffins last night.

I'm pretty our watcher role does not need to claim today.

VOTE: GINNGIE

And in contrast, this is when Katsuki got the correct results in Minuet. Re: Ank/Gingie.

[Nancy Drew 39]

are you calling fakegod a liar?

If you had a guilty on TBG, then why were you trying to lynch me?

hmmmmm

let me get back to you when i think up a reasonable excuse

[Nancy Drew 39]

one of those was fake if i remember correctly

My point being that she was sure on Gingie/Ank but misterpreted FG Dunn results. I also can’t understand why Muffin or anyone for that matter, would try to lynch me if thry actually had a guilty on someone else.

You never lynch unconfirmed over confirmed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

he doesn't have a result, thats obvious

Agreed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 2.4

projectmatt [6] - Purrcocet, TehBrawlGuy, Nosferatu, Brian Skies, Wisdom, Moment
Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma
TehBrawlGuy [3] - zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Katsuki

Not Voting [6]

- Nancy Drew 39, MariaR, Spiffeh, Ankamius, projectmatt, Dunnstral

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-04 15:00:00)

Thank you for that Purr. It’s looking to me that they’re is one wolf - probably Muffinon TBG and one offwagon, not me, Dunn and probably not Maria. So based on your ISO and VCA, I am probably wrong about Nos.

I am.more suspicious of Muffin’s recent pushes than Matt’s ISO. And him pushing me before someone he claimed to have a guilty on is suspicious af, so for thatt reason more than anything else.

VOTE: Matt

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit by offwagon, I meant not voting because I think Kokichi seems town. He’s clearly wrong on Wisdom though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if its matt and muffin we're just too good

The timing of my/TBG pushes is suspicious af. I also really disliked Matt’s push on Moment. I can’t imagine anyone pushing a wagon on one player while presumably having a guilty on another.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The timing of my/TBG pushes is suspicious af. I also really disliked Matt’s push on Moment. I can’t imagine anyone pushing a wagon on one player while presumably having a guilty on another.

Because the guilty is fake.

Muffins would never fake a guilty. It goes against the very fiber of his being.

How do you expect me to trust two people who were trying to mislynch me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Cant wait for this town flip. Maybe after you will listen to me that Wisdom is obv maf

Who is he linked with then? I’ve asked you that before.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ankamius might actually be scum after all

Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ankamius might actually be scum after all

apurrmative

Nancy, you need to stop talking to the bad guys

There’s only 2 more scum left in the game, right? Matt, Muffin and Ank can’t all be scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ankamius might actually be scum after all

Why?

Haven't played with Ank in a really long time, but I can't imagine her town game has retrogressed this much in terms of giving a shit. I think it's more likely that she's trying to subvert her scum meta by pretending to not care and hope to get overlooked. Again though, I have not looked into recent meta to put these suspicions to the test.

And most instances in this thread her "I don't care attitude" seems to be present more to SEEM like she doesn't care rather than actually not caring. It's too overdone.

Well, that game post made me really suspicious. Well, she has shown very little interest in trying to solve the game and town!Ank can’t hide her excitement to figure out things. I think her comment about 4/5 not town people being on mylo wagon was the main reason I was scared to vote him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy do you think I'm gonna d i e

I hope not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah, i think youre a major threat to the scum win con so that seems likely. second only to nancy maybe. haha

Me? Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod what's your definition of a main character?

@mod also in a main characters death flip would it say they were a main character?

can't wait for you to flip main char

Katsuki scum reading me and doing nothing about it is scummy js

Katsuki isn't scum because ate.

I've yet to do anything this game that is out of my scumrange

Correct although I have no reason why you would post this in the first place. Feels kinda like you want to be tr for trying to discredt-you know I'm midway typing this and I realized I have and would make posts like this too but you aren't me so

why does no one want to lynch spiffeh lmao

Why do you want to lynch him in the first place I don't see anything really scummy in Spiffy's iso he's mostly just posting what comes out if his mouth. I think he has these moments where it's like "I don't give a fuck" but he still has short little bursts of content also considering he was a major wagon compared to ninja I'm like "no" of course I suppose that doesn't mean too much if we play with 3 scum theory

Yeah agree, Spiffeh’s probably town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

he is being sarcastic nancy

stop spreading lies

i was being genuine as can be

it is absolutely amazing that we probably couldn't get 8 votes on you today

If TBG flips green, we powerlynch Muffin tomorrow.

Actually, also works if Matt flips red. Heh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

he is being sarcastic nancy

stop spreading lies

i was being genuine as can be

it is absolutely amazing that we probably couldn't get 8 votes on you today

If TBG flips green, we powerlynch Muffin tomorrow.

Actually, also works if Matt flips red. Heh.

did you read my last 3+ posts

All I know is Muffin is working overtime to get votes off of you, so my point being, either flip implicates or clears Muffin. Who do you think ought to be lynched?

[Nancy Drew 39]

it is absolutely amazing that we probably couldn't get 8 votes on you today

i reckon you could

no

I’d be down with Muffin wagon if it was viable.

[Nancy Drew 39]

wisdom

the problem is that both feel like really lazy wagons

TBG wagon is based on Muffin claiming a guilty on TBG, so it may be scummy but it certainly is not lazy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

tbg wagon is awful
just stay on matt

tbg flip means we can lynch scum tomo

So can Matt red flip, then we’d get a twofer.

[Nancy Drew 39]

wisdom

the problem is that both feel like really lazy wagons

TBG wagon is based on Muffin claiming a guilty on TBG, so it may be scummy but it certainly is not lazy.

it's lazy.

Muffin is either lying or he’s not. It’s either scummy or it isn’t. What is even remotely “lazy” about it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

wisdom

the problem is that both feel like really lazy wagons

TBG wagon is based on Muffin claiming a guilty on TBG, so it may be scummy but it certainly is not lazy.

No it isnt nancy. Youre the only one whos taking that claim seriously

He first tries to mislynch me, then he claims a guilty on TBG. How is this not scummy to you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

tbg wagon is awful
just stay on matt

tbg flip means we can lynch scum tomo

So can Matt red flip, then we’d get a twofer.

i don't have the confidence for that

ank/muffin are scum though

So why not vote one of them?

Spoiler:

I’m partial to baking muffins.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually I have a gut feeling that purrcocet is scum, but i dont care enough right now.

Her insistence on her likely dying tonight, makes me think that is unlikely.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually I have a gut feeling that purrcocet is scum, but i dont care enough right now.

Her insistence on her likely dying tonight, makes me think that is unlikely.

I feel like she's posting way more and pushing harder than in minuet's

That is definitely true but why do you think she keeps insisting she’s the NK? If she’s scum here, than that places suspicioun on her for not dying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria already towntold on Day 1

Actually I have a gut feeling that purrcocet is scum, but i dont care enough right now.

Her insistence on her likely dying tonight, makes me think that is unlikely.

I feel like she's posting way more and pushing harder than in minuet's

That is definitely true but why do you think she keeps insisting she’s the NK? If she’s scum here, than that places suspicioun on her for not dying.

that is not a reason for you to townread me
but this is an example of you obvtowning hard again

Please explain.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually I have a gut feeling that purrcocet is scum, but i dont care enough right now.

Her insistence on her likely dying tonight, makes me think that is unlikely.

I feel like she's posting way more and pushing harder than in minuet's

That is definitely true but why do you think she keeps insisting she’s the NK? If she’s scum here, than that places suspicioun on her for not dying.

Anyone can make such a claim you know...

That’s true but she’s done it more than once, which makes me think it’s more likely to be sincere.

[Nancy Drew 39]

my evil conscience is like "STOP OVERTHINKING SHIT, IT'S NANCY TBG" but my good conscience doesn't fully trust my evil conscience and is like "but nancy could just be bad. maybe maria tbg?" and both consciences are too busy doing other things to really give a shit about who's right tbh

Yeah, you’re really winning me over here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

it would be great if nancy could stop ignoring my question to her and not coast lazily on a read that doesn't make sense, but i guess we can't all get what we want

I told you why. ISO me, if you doubt this. You are also not suggesting alternatives, which would help.

[Nancy Drew 39]

my evil conscience is like "STOP OVERTHINKING SHIT, IT'S NANCY TBG" but my good conscience doesn't fully trust my evil conscience and is like "but nancy could just be bad. maybe maria tbg?" and both consciences are too busy doing other things to really give a shit about who's right tbh

This proves you’re lying about the guilties. Lol

[Nancy Drew 39]

it would be great if nancy could stop ignoring my question to her and not coast lazily on a read that doesn't make sense, but i guess we can't all get what we want

I told you why. ISO me, if you doubt this. You are also not suggesting alternatives, which would help.

i mean no, you didn't. you explained your rationale for voting me here:

All I know is Muffin is working overtime to get votes off of you, so my point being, either flip implicates or clears Muffin. Who do you think ought to be lynched?

and you didn't answer this post:

why are you letting muffin dictate your vote instead of reading me individually? that seems lazy. (i still think youre town, granted.)

also, im reading through people iso's right now so ill answer that soon. i actually think kokichi could be scum here on second glance.

I told you, I think scum is trying to derail your wagon. I asked you that question. You have also been pushing people I think are likely town: Moment, Sakura, Wisdom.

Why is Kokichi scum?

Why are you tunneled specifically on me over anyone else on your wagon?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i guess i understand where you're coming from, my gripe is that it seems sort of lazy to base your vote off of associative tells on one of your unflipped scumreads as opposed to just trying to read me and see if im town.

part of the reason i think kokichi might be scum is because of his indignation at me being lynched. the confidence in which he knows im going to flip town seems unrealistic, and it looks like he's trying to get towncred/using my townflip to justify his tunnel on wisdom. i also feel like his iso doesn't have much substance to it. i like most of his reads, but it feels like he gets them without trying to scumhunt/dialogue with people, and it makes me think the reads might be fake.

that said, i can still be convinced kokichi is town. he's not my top choice right now.

as for my actual top choice, i'd probably want to vote muffin or moment. i'll elaborate on those when it's not 4 am.

im not opposed to tehbrawlguy wagon solely because his gimmick is unreadable.

also, im asking everyone who's voting me without commenting about it why they're voting me. that's why i asked wisdom too.

I really don’t get why you’re scumreading Moment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Purr I still don't know what you're talking about but there's almost never a good reason to ever be voting a town read over a scum read and please don't act like there's no reason to be confused lmao

idk what your deal is

i cant really make it clearer than that tho lol

we must take away the power wolfs ability to drive lynches by providing at least (1) really dumb town flip then follow by destroying the rest of the scum team following this flip

No, sorry. I agree with Spiffeh on this. You shouldn’t vote TBG if you honestly believe he’s town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

we must take away the power wolfs ability to drive lynches by providing at least (1) really dumb town flip then follow by destroying the rest of the scum team following this flip

Alternatively you can just lynch the "power wolf" or some of your other scum reads so we don't even have to lynch the "dumb town"?

Yeah, lynching who you think is town is a horrible idea, Purr.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That depends on whether town is tunneling on dumb town or not

Well, is THG wagon town or wolfsided in your opinion?

I still think it’s a bad idea if you’re townreading him though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if it locks muffin scum i don't care

he's not scum for faking guilties or anything just for really trying to convince us that he actually has these reads and they have substance when they're clearly made up and all on town lol

but i dont want to do the wagon without any flips to support me

also moment has disappeared ;-; i am scare

Matt flipping red does the exact same thing.

Moment kind’ve flaked near the EOD 1 in Minuet. I think that’s NAI.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if it locks muffin scum i don't care

he's not scum for faking guilties or anything just for really trying to convince us that he actually has these reads and they have substance when they're clearly made up and all on town lol

but i dont want to do the wagon without any flips to support me

also moment has disappeared ;-; i am scare

He tried to mislynch me, what more evidence do you need?

[Nancy Drew 39]

if it locks muffin scum i don't care

he's not scum for faking guilties or anything just for really trying to convince us that he actually has these reads and they have substance when they're clearly made up and all on town lol

but i dont want to do the wagon without any flips to support me

also moment has disappeared ;-; i am scare

He tried to mislynch me, what more evidence do you need?

P.edit then claimed guilties on TBG/Maria. I don’t buy for one second that FG derped giving him not 1 but 2 guilties.


And then - despite those alleged guilties, he STILL tries to push me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy, he was clearly joking about the guilties

if he wasn't don't you think I'd be 1v1ing him right now?

Here’s the thing, I just don’t buy town!Muffin pushing a lynch on me in this game. He was scumreading me all through Minuet, until he wasn’t but not only did he never try to get me lynched, he never even voted me iirc.

Of course, Katsuki immediately jumped on that too and she’s strongly defending both him and Matt.

I also think she has to be lying about getting not 1 but 2 innos, so if you’re right then either Matt or Muffin could be a pocket.

What’s really weird to me is Dunn’s reaction to Katsuki’s AtEs. He genuinely seems to be baffled by it. I would think if her AtEs were genuine, then how is it that Dunn seems to be so perplexed by them? Does that make any sense to you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Trying to get Dunnstral to understand emotion is like trying to get wisdom to explain his reads.

How then do you explain his read on me? It’s mainly based off of tone?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well Nancy is locktown now

That's nice

Trying to get Dunnstral to understand emotion is like trying to get wisdom to explain his reads.

How then do you explain his read on me? It’s mainly based off of tone?

You're asking me.
To explain someone elses read?

My point being, that his townread on me is based mainly on tone. You’re implying that he is incapable of reading emotion.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 1.10

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Nosferatu [2] - Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma

Myloninja13 [9] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Wisdom, zMuffinMan [LYNCH]

projectmatt [1] - TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting [2]

- Myloninja13, MariaR

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

He tried to mislynch me, what more evidence do you need?

u ended day with a vote on me are u scum trying to mislynch me

No, my point being, it doesn’t make sense for Muffin to do that

in this game

.

I was honestly scumreading you but you’re not doing anthing today that reads scummy to me and you were eary on Mylo wagon so I don’t think you bussed. If it took me this long to realize that, I’m an idiot, basically.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well Nancy is locktown now

That's nice

she wasnt already? you're slow

Wisdom I was actually scumreading her for a while I think

I find this really funny for some reason.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wisdom I was actually scumreading her for a while I think

I love that commercial. XD