Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

prod received
also huh
i volunteer for self destruct tomorrow
i would much rather do that then let myself get mislynched on a day closer to mylo

HEY NO YOU I volunteered first

What if we gave the suicide power to imho obvTown in the lynch pool and they exploded on you.

Are you both still willing then?

from what i have read i am one of those slots that was fairly townread but is in the pool still for some reason
though i will note that i would suggest against your plan for the simple reason that it involves obvtown people dying which i would think is a poor choice

It's not my plan. It's what you and worst suggested but the smart way. As mentioned earlier I'm sketched out by the suggestion in general.
This way we minimize the risk of scum giving powers. I wouldn't (and I don't think Sakura would) give a widely scumread player a power to then potentially blow up on a universal townread that has SS and BP. Sando I think is town and right now we can afford 1-1 trades especially if both are in our lynch pool.

That is the only way I see self destruction ever being a thing. Anything else I would regard as a scum claim without a damn good explanation.

Like I'm thinking if we do this, Sando blows up the worst so he gets the worst lynch he's been wanting.

edited to fix parenthesis replacement

[Sakura Hana]

Hey toog game isnt going as fast as it was yesterday, you have no excuse to be self voting and not game solving if you're town at this point.
Another note: Im pretty sure this is town hebi, scum hebi would've gone out the first exit that she finds methinks, specially with her reaction to being scumread, I just wish she did more contribution tho.

It also feels like whoever's town in here is relying on the townbloc to solve the game for them, Nero is a nice fresh breath of air in the thread considering Katsuki's lack of actual contributions, Sando's also very town, Stungun vs Titus isnt SvS, as I explained yesterday, even without the townbloc getting BP, looks like scum are just gonna get PoE'd out at this rate.

Btw Nero, since u were in street fighter mafia, i'd like you ask for your opinion on these:

Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.

If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.

Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.

If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.

Do you think I am bussing here?

Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.

If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.

Do you think I am bussing here?

Let's be real, what scum wouldnt bus creature.

Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.

If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.

Do you think I am bussing here?

Let's be real, what scum wouldnt bus creature.

I'd argue self-meta but this is a catch 22. Basically, I do well and the argument shifts to bussing. I do poorly and it's because I am scum and not flawed town. The arguments are made preflip. Every post, people avoid common sense.

I made a theory, followed it through to a scum lynch. Played protown with the power I had rather than saying fuck you you spammers and trying to win by myself. At what point is this feeling just drama repeating itself because players like Math have a vendetta against me and want to play hero?

Kind of reminds me of Titus bus on Varsoon when she was dying.

[Theta Alpine]

Theta's sign makes me think he needs to go asap

*she
and yeah
my own thought process is i am going to die anyways so might as well give town an extra kill in the process

[MathBlade]

@Sakura my thoughts exactly regarding the whoever's town paragraph.

I'll reevaluate hebi based on what you said up there. That is a good point.

What do you make of worst and theta wanting to take suicide bomber (especially Theta wanting but not wanting to be on the victim side)? Mainly I'd rather discuss it now while people aren't ending the day and things are kinda slow. I know my gut is saying not to do the plan but mainly I want to see what reads wise shakes out of the suggestion.

[stungun0404]

Theta's sign makes me think he needs to go asap

*she
and yeah
my own thought process is i am going to die anyways so might as well give town an extra kill in the process

you are not one of our main choices, though. you are towards the bottom of pushes i make from the 9 PoE pool, along with nosferatu at this moment in time. i do not favor lynching either of you today or tomorrow i believe is where i stand right now.

the main poe pool for me atm is: gamma emerald, hebichan, creature, nero cain, toogeloo, the worst, kokichi

[the worst]

Theta's sign makes me think he needs to go asap

*she
and yeah
my own thought process is i am going to die anyways so might as well give town an extra kill in the process

*FACEPALM!* I knew that from grits SEO too. sorry D:

that's kinda how I feel about my slot as well. there's enough people pussyfooting around certain aspects of the lynchpool that I think quite a few lategame mislynches are being set up here--I feel your slot and mine are in similar boats.

pretty sure Mathblade is just ignoring the suggestion to nuke the lynchpool tho. I'm a bit disappointed he can't be bothered sorting us into probabilities of being town & following instructions but whatever.

[MathBlade]

Theta's sign makes me think he needs to go asap

*she
and yeah
my own thought process is i am going to die anyways so might as well give town an extra kill in the process

*FACEPALM!* I knew that from grits SEO too. sorry D:

that's kinda how I feel about my slot as well. there's enough people pussyfooting around certain aspects of the lynchpool that I think quite a few lategame mislynches are being set up here--I feel your slot and mine are in similar boats.

pretty sure Mathblade is just ignoring the suggestion to nuke the lynchpool tho. I'm a bit disappointed he can't be bothered sorting us into probabilities of being town & following instructions but whatever.

I am not ignoring it. I'm trying to do a risk versus reward analysis. Ignoring it would be "hell no". My answer is "I'm sketched out but let me analyze it." Right now, I don't want to give scum powers and potentially assassinate the town block. I'm asking Sakura for her opinion as well.

I'm also wanting other people to contribute. I do have my opinions and I have been following instructions, and if you feel I'm not then please point out where. We need more people to talk to find scum.

[Theta Alpine]

Theta's sign makes me think he needs to go asap

*she
and yeah
my own thought process is i am going to die anyways so might as well give town an extra kill in the process

you are not one of our main choices, though. you are towards the bottom of pushes i make from the 9 PoE pool, along with nosferatu at this moment in time. i do not favor lynching either of you today or tomorrow i believe is where i stand right now.

the main poe pool for me atm is: gamma emerald, hebichan, creature, nero cain, toogeloo, the worst, kokichi

the thing is
if scum have ever played with town me before they will probably try to save me for the end of the game as an easy mislynch
mod is mafia is a really good example of that

and math
next day it will probably be either 14v3 or 15v2 [with a possibility of 15v3 or 16v2] so scum volunteering would have to be relying on their other members not being in the poe or not having connections with them or the other flipped scum
and i will admit if i had been in this slot the entire game then as scum i probably would stake my chances on that

i am not really opposed to being the victim
i just fail to see why that has much of a benefit over myself taking it

also i am assuming that i would only be getting the ability on the condition that i use it the day after i get it
thus if anyone who claims to have taken it and does not use it you can just lynch them and they will not be able to use any other ability they may have picked instead
that would be partially broken if two scum did it
but then you just have to deal with any ill-gotten gains for one night most likely and then only have one scum remaining

[Sakura Hana]

The leader doesnt choose which power people get, the people themselves chosen by the leader chose which power they want, so we cant trust that you will indeed take the suicide bomber over something like super strength that will bypass bulletproof if you're scum.

[hebichan]

I'm good with nero or creature, I'll Iso a bit more tomorrow. I'm pretty worn out from work.

[Frozen Angel]

Toog ignored my question about why he thinks I'm counting him as a confirmed scum?!

[Frozen Angel]

The reason toog is scum is because:

- his defense of titus
- his questionable leader vote
- molla being scummy when he was in game
- lieing/shading and misrepresenting me

Not him not focusing on game enough. That is something he started telling us starting today by constant whining about the game speed

[MathBlade]

The leader doesnt choose which power people get, the people themselves chosen by the leader chose which power they want, so we cant trust that you will indeed take the suicide bomber over something like super strength that will bypass bulletproof if you're scum.

And furthermore we can’t trust if scum takes it and knows they have to suicide they don’t hit an immune townie.

That is why if we do it we have to give it to people that we townread in the lynchpool as to avoid these complications.

[MathBlade]

Plus the math is horribly off. For every bomber there is a two step decrease in player count.

It’s a hella risky idea. Which is why I am sketched out when we have the advantage right now.

[the worst]

Plus the math is horribly off. For every bomber there is a two step decrease in player count.

It’s a hella risky idea. Which is why I am sketched out when we have the advantage right now.

but that's the lynchpool

those are the players you think are scum or are not satisfactorily able to sort

why snail pace this shit thru to the end when you can just blitz through the players you need dead to sort the rest of the list? o.0

[Toogeloo]

The reason toog is scum is because:

- his defense of titus
- his questionable leader vote
- molla being scummy when he was in game
- lieing/shading and misrepresenting me

Not him not focusing on game enough. That is something he started telling us starting today by constant whining about the game speed

Whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart .

[the worst]

say you pick 2 scum and 1 town to give it to. you lose 3-4 town + 2 scum? that's..... sensational?

say you pick 3 town, you lose 3-6 townies who need to die for you to sort the rest of the list, plus 0-3 scum depending literally on how many scum are in the lynchpool

[Toogeloo]

Don't lynch me, take me into the pool, and I promise, cross my heart, to take bomber. I'll get the same result either way .

[the worst]

this is by far the cleverest idea I've ever had mechanically and stungun can prolly back me up that when I have mechanical ideas they're usually

(though I was scum that time and I can't think of a way scum benefits from literally removing the lynchpool from the game LMAO)

[Sando]

The reason toog is scum is because:

- his defense of titus

- his questionable leader vote

- molla being scummy when he was in game
- lieing/shading and misrepresenting me

Not him not focusing on game enough. That is something he started telling us starting today by constant whining about the game speed

Toog has had a number of easy ways to help town without needing to engage, and has refused to take those every time. Leader vote is perfect example, happy to sheep a scum onto me, but not happy to go along with a plan that literally everyone is onboard with. Can't claim not to be caught up, addressed it specifically and refused to play ball.

[Sando]

When we talk about "free" kills with the bomb, imagine if Titus had bomb yesterday. We were <12 hours from deadline, Titus could have just blown up Math/Sakura and suddenly we've got a couple of hours to get another lynch done or our leader is on the chopping block overnight.

[the worst]

I'm talking the selected people would detonate within the first like 7 days of the phase or be lynched.

[Sando]

I'm talking the selected people would detonate within the first like 7 days of the phase or be lynched.

Each Day Phase after lasts approximately 7 real life days.

You you might want to flesh that one out a bit more...cause that's a terrible idea.

[Frozen Angel]

The reason toog is scum is because:

- his defense of titus
- his questionable leader vote
- molla being scummy when he was in game
- lieing/shading and misrepresenting me

Not him not focusing on game enough. That is something he started telling us starting today by constant whining about the game speed

Whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart .

at least you didn't take back the "sweetheart" like some people in your next post

[Frozen Angel]

can you tldr me what is this detonation plan?