Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

I think im missing your point Ank. The take-away is that Gamma has been the only human in there untill creature got invited.

Human + mafia + vampire, or so the story goes

i would think that mafia count as humans

Please, please please confirm that with the GM would you?

Its a rather important detail, because if it does Gamma is not clear at all like were assuming right now, and might be very much in need of lynching

So because I'm not town confirmed I'n wolf confirmed? Run that by me one more time?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lets lynch Gamma Emerald and take Mathblade's toy away.

Im much more comfortable with town controlling the lynch and having Nos shoot at stuff than having that hood continue operating.

Gamma being scum also probably fits with the weird results that Oath has been having on the slot.

Didn't we already get a sorta-explanation for Oath's result? You seem to be pulling the full dumbass play on this push. Not a fan.

[Titus]

Ok is this just the avoid common sense game?

[MathBlade]

I am legit just confused here.

[MathBlade]

Like, im not saying Titus is confirmed scum. But saying she's confirmed town based off this one thing is really stupid imo.

Maybe the wolf team actually tried to kill you N2 and thats why they know you must be something special. Its not like town is gonna have a 2nd BP on top of Oath, so even then its a pretty simple deduction.

1) If you’re saying town doesn’t have two BPs a jailkeep and an angel why are you voting Gamma instead of Nos?

[MathBlade]

Im sayimg that youll do yourself a disservice not acknowledging that mafiate could very well be human. Nothing indicates that they aren't. You're using the absence of a thing to prove the status of another and obviously this game is odd. Im just saying its not 100% guaranteed that mafiate cant be human.

Oh derp

So Gamma may be town?

May not be town?

Yay sleepy brain

Ask the gm for confirmation already? Thats what she's there for. You have the power to 100% townclear the slot, and for some reason you havent yet done so.

in fact, fuck it, ill do it myself.

I fell asleep. I just figured I was.

[glowball]

Gamma is not the lynch today!
Gamma is human aka NOT WOLF
..it doesn't matter if that's human town or human mafiate...we need to lynch a possible wolf NOT a confirmed human.
Btw... told you lol

[Vecna]

He's not confirmed human.

I asked the GM, Lady angel/Brian skies counted as a human.

Either way, if the hood manages to kill tonight itll confirm that he is human, so me voting for him is a derp move.

Couldve scored some easy points there to point that out Math/GE. I really dont know why you guys are so slow on the mechanisms/logic of your own toy.

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Vecna]

Also, how would Hebichan's wincondition even work.

Say that town wins. But Hebichan hasnt eliminated whatever other sources would count as a threat. How does she win? Can she only win if we eliminate the last wolf after we eliminated these other threats?

I have no idea what your story here is Hebi.

Should probably clarify that somehow if you wanna have any hope of escaping death.

[MathBlade]

Like, im not saying Titus is confirmed scum. But saying she's confirmed town based off this one thing is really stupid imo.

Maybe the wolf team actually tried to kill you N2 and thats why they know you must be something special. Its not like town is gonna have a 2nd BP on top of Oath, so even then its a pretty simple deduction.

1) If you’re saying town doesn’t have two BPs a jailkeep and an angel why are you voting Gamma instead of Nos?

@Vecna

[Vecna]

Like, im not saying Titus is confirmed scum. But saying she's confirmed town based off this one thing is really stupid imo.

Maybe the wolf team actually tried to kill you N2 and thats why they know you must be something special. Its not like town is gonna have a 2nd BP on top of Oath, so even then its a pretty simple deduction.

1) If you’re saying town doesn’t have two BPs a jailkeep and an angel why are you voting Gamma instead of Nos?

Im not gonna vote Nos. Pretty sure a Mafia traitor without an actual mafia faction would be considered bastard, no?

Like designing a role pm to have fake hidden teammates, fake hidden teammates that you replace once the teammates that dont even exist die? That is all kinds of wrong.

Whatever Nos is claiming to stay alive, or whatever cool toys he has is up to him. As long as he helps us murder some wolves I couldnt care less.

[MathBlade]

Like, im not saying Titus is confirmed scum. But saying she's confirmed town based off this one thing is really stupid imo.

Maybe the wolf team actually tried to kill you N2 and thats why they know you must be something special. Its not like town is gonna have a 2nd BP on top of Oath, so even then its a pretty simple deduction.

1) If you’re saying town doesn’t have two BPs a jailkeep and an angel why are you voting Gamma instead of Nos?

Im not gonna vote Nos. Pretty sure a Mafia traitor without an actual mafia faction would be considered bastard, no?

Like designing a role pm to have fake hidden teammates, fake hidden teammates that you replace once the teammates that dont even exist die? That is all kinds of wrong.

Whatever Nos is claiming to stay alive, or whatever cool toys he has is up to him. As long as he helps us murder some wolves I couldnt care less.

That is actually not the case. The same was done in 42 player game where there was a deputy and not a cop.
It’s a traditional mod maneuver. Just because there is a backup doesn’t mean the original exists and it doesn’t mean the original shares the same wincon if the original role exists. I have had a scum game where scum enabled a town PR to help mitigate swing.

If Nos does indeed have a gun and is mafia that doesn’t make him town. Or not a threat.

[Vecna]

Although ill grant you that the ammount of protectives is extremely high in this setup. But so is the number of kills flying around on a nightly basis

[Vecna]

Like, im not saying Titus is confirmed scum. But saying she's confirmed town based off this one thing is really stupid imo.

Maybe the wolf team actually tried to kill you N2 and thats why they know you must be something special. Its not like town is gonna have a 2nd BP on top of Oath, so even then its a pretty simple deduction.

1) If you’re saying town doesn’t have two BPs a jailkeep and an angel why are you voting Gamma instead of Nos?

Im not gonna vote Nos. Pretty sure a Mafia traitor without an actual mafia faction would be considered bastard, no?

Like designing a role pm to have fake hidden teammates, fake hidden teammates that you replace once the teammates that dont even exist die? That is all kinds of wrong.

Whatever Nos is claiming to stay alive, or whatever cool toys he has is up to him. As long as he helps us murder some wolves I couldnt care less.

That is actually not the case. The same was done in 42 player game where there was a deputy and not a cop.
It’s a traditional mod maneuver. Just because there is a backup doesn’t mean the original exists and it doesn’t mean the original shares the same wincon if the original role exists. I have had a scum game where scum enabled a town PR to help mitigate swing.

If Nos does indeed have a gun and is mafia that doesn’t make him town. Or not a threat.

Hmmmmm.

The kill flavour of Lady angel DID state she dropped a gun when we lynched her. I was already puzzled by that, but just assumed it was flavour.

[Vecna]

But it makes no sense since the shot-killing continued after we lynched her.

Having a deputy without a sherrif is one thing. Crafting a role pm that points to teammates, points to you getting access to the Scum chat......

[MathBlade]

Although ill grant you that the ammount of protectives is extremely high in this setup. But so is the number of kills flying around on a nightly basis

Now let’s assume for a second scum have a PT and Hebi is town.

Then with the amount of protectives scum would need a strongman for balance. Something to be able to actually do something about Nos and Hebi and the Angel and Almost50.

Then furthermore assume anyone halfway competent as scum exists on wolves.
Why do they not strongman Hebi?

[MathBlade]

But it makes no sense since the shot-killing continued after we lynched her.

Having a deputy without a sherrif is one thing. Crafting a role pm that points to teammates, points to you getting access to the Scum chat......

So there is two ways about this
1) Nos is telling the truth which means that Titus town which means Titus likely has a guilty on Hebi.
2) Nos is fake claiming here which means that he would be scum.

[MathBlade]

But it makes no sense since the shot-killing continued after we lynched her.

Having a deputy without a sherrif is one thing. Crafting a role pm that points to teammates, points to you getting access to the Scum chat......

Just scum of another type.

And to be frank as long as he doesn’t kill me and one human stays alive and all the wolves are dead I don’t give a fuck if Nos is scum unless a wolf.

[MathBlade]

Since Nos likely has to follow his wincondition it’s more likely that Nos is truthtelling here

In which case by correlation Hebi is almost certainly scum for not being dead yet. The fact scum took out a protective and lost a kill means they don’t have a strongman.

[Vecna]

Im gonna refrain from trying to guess why the unknown scums did x or y for now, untill we actually get some flips and some information that might give us something real to go on.

With the ammount of replacements in this game I wouldnt be surprised if scum actions are completely uninformed.

Neither would I be surprised if scum didnt kill hebi because hebi is scum. It still would be a crazy courageous play to just out your result at the start of D2 as scum though.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Hebichan

Hebi was likely told to claim a guilty on Titus to rile me up on her so I would become a scum advocate. The guilty Titus has is likely genuine.

[Vecna]

Since Nos likely has to follow his wincondition it’s more likely that Nos is truthtelling here

In which case by correlation Hebi is almost certainly scum for not being dead yet. The fact scum took out a protective and lost a kill means they don’t have a strongman.

A limited use strongman is a possibility. Preserve those charges for necessity and all that. Would fit at least somewhat with the (fake)claim that Muffin is pushing.

Either way, I dont agree that Titus is towncleared if Nos is telling the truth. We really cannot completely state that is the case.

If the scumteam is Titus, Tora, Hebi (just throwing out a silly example) he already knows none of the other likely candidates are the ones doing the kill. If the scumteam has a watcher-type ability, etc etc. Plenty of ways to deduce who the mafia is as scum in a team.

[MathBlade]

Im gonna refrain from trying to guess why the unknown scums did x or y for now, untill we actually get some flips and some information that might give us something real to go on.

With the ammount of replacements in this game I wouldnt be surprised if scum actions are completely uninformed.

Neither would I be surprised if scum didnt kill hebi because hebi is scum. It still would be a crazy courageous play to just out your result at the start of D2 as scum though.

Not really. It lends credence to her actions. Especially if scum don’t have a PT she is outing who are the major threats so the other wolves can kill them.

He who swims made himself obvious by continually talking rolestopper that he was a PR of some kind despite how much I told him to shut up.

[Gamma Emerald]

He's not confirmed human.

I asked the GM, Lady angel/Brian skies counted as a human.

Either way, if the hood manages to kill tonight itll confirm that he is human, so me voting for him is a derp move.

Couldve scored some easy points there to point that out Math/GE. I really dont know why you guys are so slow on the mechanisms/logic of your own toy.

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

Ummm I kinda asked that question when people started making that assumption?

[MathBlade]

Since Nos likely has to follow his wincondition it’s more likely that Nos is truthtelling here

In which case by correlation Hebi is almost certainly scum for not being dead yet. The fact scum took out a protective and lost a kill means they don’t have a strongman.

A limited use strongman is a possibility. Preserve those charges for necessity and all that. Would fit at least somewhat with the (fake)claim that Muffin is pushing.

Either way, I dont agree that Titus is towncleared if Nos is telling the truth. We really cannot completely state that is the case.

If the scumteam is Titus, Tora, Hebi (just throwing out a silly example) he already knows none of the other likely candidates are the ones doing the kill. If the scumteam has a watcher-type ability, etc etc. Plenty of ways to deduce who the mafia is as scum in a team.

In that world scum do not have a PT. If scum have a PT there is nothing more dangerous than a PT cop.

There is nothing to conserve for.