with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
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Fair enough.In post 1774, ofrhz wrote:@Sando
Sure but in retrospect, I can see how CJ was unusually town this game
I guess I don't see how AP was super different this game than his wolf!game in Jungle Republic to justify your townread, given your personal experience with him.
I'm not at D2 yet I'm only on page 20-something and tbh I don't remember how your progression on AP went down
Oh wait you were serious.In post 1773, Cardi B wrote:In post 1763, Cardi B wrote:What does "turn on" entail?
What is standing in the way of town winning?
I spent my Friday I think it was arguing with Aus and pulling out why their townlockedness was bs, and also showed why the claim that they'd "never claimed townlock status" was a lie, and I'm clearly going back and forth with you. I'm not sure why the snark?In post 1779, ofrhz wrote:if you're town, can you tryhard for like 2 irl days and not keel over and die like vl did
Cardi was in the same boat as AP, I felt the content was going to be hard to maintain as scum, but I also thought the style was more likely town than scum. Music/Aus are my top scum-reads today, Skitter mechanically just makes sense, but us lynching town 2 days in a row like that with no help from Skitter!scum isn't something I can easily get past. Ofrhz is probably my strongest townread. Somewhere around skitter sits Cardi, could be more townie, could be less townie depending on how I feel at the time. I think last mention of lists put her around your level of towniness, which I no longer agree with, but not to a huge scummie extent.In post 1780, ofrhz wrote:can you start with why you are (were?) townreading cardi
Wait you think in my discussion with Ausuka that it's ME that's been the reactive one? What? You want to call Ausuka's posting there "pro-active"?In post 1782, ofrhz wrote:you've been more reactive than proactive since you've been put under scrutiny, so I didn't really count that interaction with Ausuka
I didn't vote Ausuka until she started lying about "never claiming locktown", the progression was:In post 1782, ofrhz wrote:I can understand the reasoning behind why you don't want to locktown Ausuka, even if I disagree with it
but to go from "ausuka is not locktown" to "ausuka is scum" is not a trajectory i am following. like ausuka's votes were pretty bad, but cardi's were not much better. Given cardi's reasons for voting invis and the timing of her vote, cardi's vote on invis shouldn't garner her any towncred imo
Then outline your scumread?In post 1784, ofrhz wrote:I am still interested in your townread in cardi because she's been my top scumread for a while now
In post 1781, Sando wrote:But my focus is on Music/Aus until someone actually shows something scummy there, rather than just constantly being asked "but why townread?".
Just to be clear, are you saying "reactive" equals scummy here?In post 1784, ofrhz wrote:The push on you started when you were asked your scumreads and then a couple of people followed up with that post. Rereading through it just now, it was a combination of skitter and ausuka delving deeper into your reads, which lead to you divulging your Ausuka read and that lead to the 1v1. It still reads as reactive tbh
Ok this first: Why does this need discussion then? It doesn't change content, like it's pretty obvious I had thoughts on Aus around the whole "locktown" and hadn't gotten around to articulating it. What I then articulate isn't changed because I was grudging about it.In post 1787, ofrhz wrote:pedit: no, I meant reactive as in "you yourself admitted you've checked out of this game, which I think is NAI. But if you're town, try to check in for at least a few more days to obvtown, so we don't have a repeat of the vulcan lynch"
I mean I know I'm copping flak for the idea that Aus wasn't on the LYNCH isn't necessarily indicative. That doesn't change that Aus didn't vote either of them, ever. Aus basically never posted anything scummy about them. LIn post 1788, ofrhz wrote:ausuka likes to do wagon analysis before the flip, which I think has lead to why she has not been on either scum lynch. I don't think this kind of faulty reasoning is scum indicative for Ausuka because this is something she has done as town in the past. (the game I am referring to: viewtopic.php?t=76282&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go)
both wagons on invis and AP built up REALLY FAST, and ausuka tends to apply the reasoning "this wagon has built up too fast, which means it must be scum-driven," which would explain why she wasn't on either scum lynches.
are we still talking about the same thing? i'm very confusedIn post 1789, Sando wrote:Ok this first: Why does this need discussion then? It doesn't change content, like it's pretty obvious I had thoughts on Aus around the whole "locktown" and hadn't gotten around to articulating it. What I then articulate isn't changed because I was grudging about it.In post 1787, ofrhz wrote:pedit: no, I meant reactive as in "you yourself admitted you've checked out of this game, which I think is NAI. But if you're town, try to check in for at least a few more days to obvtown, so we don't have a repeat of the vulcan lynch"
0 - Fair, although same could be said of Aus who called out Vulcan for something while ignoring Invis, you're the person who called her out for it.In post 1787, ofrhz wrote:0. Brass was questionable. I outlined his posts that didn't make sense. Why was he super focused on Ausuka's presence in game but not Invisibility's? He also never responded to Bujaber's meta-read gut scumread on him (the read from Bujaber was basically: brass was more confident in this game, which is similar to his scumgames)
1. Cardi's scumreads have CONSISTENTLY BEEN LOW-HANGING FRUit this entire game
1a. She first scumread okapoka and kept pushing him for a part of D2. Sando, you tried to ML oka in your last scumgame, you should know why this is NAGL
1b. She then tried to go for Vulcan, who was also kind of an easy ML
1c. She's been asking really useless questions today
2. CARDI HAS NOT EXHIBITED TOWNINESS
2a. People who have exhibited towniness:
- Ausuka: her claiming 1-shot vig was completely unnecessary
- Mylo: Bujaber was really town, and Mylo has that carefree tone
- skitter: hasn't done stupid shit like push conf!town TW like she did in her last scumgame
- sando: sorta town by meta but also in your 1v1 with Bujaber, you were really town
- By PoE, Cardi's scum equity is pretty high
- ok, so admittedly this is mostly a PoE scumread. STILL.
3. At this point, with so many townreads, I need a good reason to not vote cardi, and "having logical/towny thought processes" is the only reason I was given by skitter, and that's not a very good reason considering everyone remaining has also demonstrated towny thought processes
Well I thought you were scumreading me for "reactiveness", but you say no.In post 1791, ofrhz wrote:are we still talking about the same thing? i'm very confusedIn post 1789, Sando wrote:Ok this first: Why does this need discussion then? It doesn't change content, like it's pretty obvious I had thoughts on Aus around the whole "locktown" and hadn't gotten around to articulating it. What I then articulate isn't changed because I was grudging about it.In post 1787, ofrhz wrote:pedit: no, I meant reactive as in "you yourself admitted you've checked out of this game, which I think is NAI. But if you're town, try to check in for at least a few more days to obvtown, so we don't have a repeat of the vulcan lynch"
question: how much do you value anti-associatives in a general sense?In post 1740, Sando wrote:You mean other than seeking to be conf!towned for it?
Skitter you've mislynched me before because the person I was looking at "could not possibly be scum because of X", and scum turned out to be someone who had also done X...
You more than most should be aware it's how I look at the game, and I find locktowning pretty BS unless it's mechanical in nature.
Other than that, yeah:
@ausuka: do you still think mylo is kinda townie?In post 1753, Myloninja13 wrote:Sorry for being absent, I've been doing a school production and that's kinda taken up my usual free time.
UNVOTE: Just for now because from memory there was something I was thinking was townish from Sando.
ok can you talk more about your progression from 'not day1 lynch but not yet towncore' to 'lynch this guy'?In post 1772, Sando wrote:Also what about my progression from "not D1 lynch but not yet towncore" on D1 to "lynch this guy" on D2 do you find suspicious and out of character for someone who's never played a T+T with AP (I don't think I have, only a town to his scum and scum to his town)?
that + the hypo-inno thingIn post 1782, ofrhz wrote:is there another reason why you guys are townreading cardi? @ skitter too
My point is you were "hilariously beyond clear" for doing something that CJ also did (on what lynch I forget).In post 1794, skitter30 wrote:question: how much do you value anti-associatives in a general sense?
i think that might be part of what's going on here and in the jungle republic game - i will sometimes view a given interaction as just not ever coming from partners and i'll clear them for it. the reason you got mislynched in the jungle republic game is because you were scumreading me and i thought i was hilariously beyond clear for how ap's lynch went down there and i couldn't understand how that could be a real read that you were pushing
In post 66, Sando wrote:Skitter is the only town currently capable of making a coherent case and will defend CJ with the same reasoning she's defending herself
In post 250, brassherald wrote:Invisibility is in this game?In post 249, OkaPoka wrote:pretty sure ausuka is in this game more than invis is, brass.
VOTE: Invisibility
I'd rather have the pressure vote on someone I forgot was in the game than Ausuka who I at least remembered.
this progression is kinda meh; don't like that he defended the vizzy vote as a pressure vote to make someone post content while explicitly saying he can't form a read on someone not posting and then called him scum later on when vizzy hadn't posted much substantial between those two postsIn post 318, brassherald wrote:I don't like the Enigma wagon, Enigma's ISO has some good questions, and good thoughts. That's a town ISO as far as I can tell.
Vulcan Logician promised more content in 240 and never followed up, I'd like to know why. I know the dude only has 3 posts, but they include him claiming he's a fairly active player. I will allow him more posts before making an actual read, but it makes me uneasy.
Invisibility is scum.
BuJaber, I'm leaning scum on.
I'll find the last scum tomorrow or something, going to the beach now.
- I think ausuka had many possible avenues when she claimed, and she didn't have to claim the 1-shot vig/PGO slotIn post 1793, Sando wrote: Well I thought you were scumreading me for "reactiveness", but you say no.
So now I'm thinking you're writing off the Aus argument as "reactiveness". My point is that Aus's actions aren't more or less townie because I'm being reactive (or not) in bringing them up.
THIS:In post 1794, skitter30 wrote:i don't really understand why you have 'not being on ap's wagon' as a more important factor than 'being the impetus for ap's wagon in the first place'
Is NOT "not on the wagon". Just because I quoted the lynch names does NOT mean I think that being on the wagon at the end is the end all be all.In post 1186, Ausuka wrote:^ basically my thoughts. AP could be scum RB but I very much doubt he's scumvig which means we should go for Vulcan or skitter today imo. The quick wagon means he's more likely to be town and people on it are more likely to be scum I think. I'm not a fan of skitter's vote when she was defending AP earlier.