Mini Normal 2024 - Endgame

[ejjinami]

VOTE: drdoli

VOTE: mumble

And so begins the conquest of known lurkers.

Bbt. Be town. Light the way.

[ejjinami]

VOTE: ejjinami

we meet again

oh and hi.

[ejjinami]

Btw, I've got a way to find out who's town and who's scum d1.

Listen, everyone
quote this if you're town

Spoiler:

this if you're mafia

Spoiler:

and this if you're a neutral or some other non town role

Spoiler:

This will work, believe me.

[ejjinami]

the scum quotes are generally more attractive than the town quote, so don't beat around the bush and just quote them if you're a wolf. Let's end the game quickly, the quotes are definitely worth it!
You won't get another chance

[ejjinami]

Btw, I've got a way to find out who's town and who's scum d1.

Listen, everyone
quote this if you're town

Spoiler:

this if you're mafia

Spoiler:

and this if you're a neutral or some other non town role

Spoiler:

This will work, believe me.

Loophole.

fck

[ejjinami]

[ejjinami]

VOTE: Rei

I'm more of a Misato guy.

NO SHIT TALKING REI

VOTE: TWAIIN

She's not even human. I bet that if we lynch her another one will spawn next morning.

I c wut u did thar

Elaborate please
and does that give you a read on him?

[ejjinami]

I said TChill might be scum now I'm wondering why everyone hasn't voted for him.

Maybe you guys missed it? I think TChill could be scum.

Then how about you vote him?

Usually, I find scum, tell everyone else they're scum and then we lynch them leading to a town victory!

Yayyyyy!

Sound like a plan?

does that mean your previous post was a joke?
bleh

[ejjinami]

Usually, I find scum, tell everyone else they're scum and then we lynch them leading to a town victory!

Yayyyyy!

Sound like a plan?

What a bulletproof plan

my plan was better >:3

[ejjinami]

Agree with the Rei read fn. In my previous game with her she was really obvious as town and the way she writes stuff makes me feel she’d be weak under pressure as scum.
Prob gonna check her games later though, I didn’t really play much with her.

VOTE: Nauci

Kill scum with fire.

why is nauci scum?

[ejjinami]

Lol
the reasons for wagoning twain are almost as awful as twain’s reason for their vote.

[ejjinami]

>Twain, why didn't you just ask about it?
Because this early on, with this little to go off of, you became the best vote for me.

What do you think of him now?

[ejjinami]

UNVOTE: Rei
VOTE: Irrelephant for not explaining his vote

VOTE: twain
grasping at straws much?

I'm really happy I'm voting this rn. This is just awful

[ejjinami]

Eh, or I could eventually vote BBT.

Spoiler:

I said TChill might be scum now I'm wondering why everyone hasn't voted for him.

Maybe you guys missed it? I think TChill could be scum.

Why do you feel like we should vote him if you think he's scum?
Although this comment is quite townie of you since idt if scum would care enough to post this.
[…]
Also why do you think he's scum

Usually, I find scum, tell everyone else they're scum and then we lynch them leading to a town victory!

Yayyyyy!

Sound like a plan?

The way he went from “sort of a reaction bait” to “everything being one big shitpost” is just...

I have honestly no idea what to make of it, but it gives me a bad feeling

[ejjinami]

@Irrelephant what do you think of Twain?

And can someone tell me sth about DrDoli?
Same about BBT if possible…

[ejjinami]

Partially because he ignored my question and partially for reactions. I'll leave my vote until he answers my question

Twain, why didn't you just ask about it?

You're gonna vote me for not answering a question about a silly rvs post? Hmm. Keep it there I guess.

Does that change your read on Irrelephant in any way?

And regardless of that, who do you wanna vote rn?

On an unrelated note, is there a way to actually quote inside the quick reply box? I use the above format because I hate changing pages.

Yes, there’s a quote button on the right side of each post.
Or you could always write

THE QUOTE

(it’s broken on purpose, it would work normally).

[ejjinami]

btw, the signups for BBT's and DrDoli's wagons are

OFFICIALY OPEN

! Feel free to join, there will be a 100% discount, this day only!

But seriously, Twain's response to pressure was ok, I guess.
If you can even call that being "pressure"
I get the feeling drdoli might be more of a shitter, but I'd like to talk about them regardless.
Same with BBT (not being a shitter, just talk about them).

[ejjinami]

I don't have a read on irrelephant, I was just trying to get a sense of his play style.

Who do you want to lynch?

[ejjinami]

Eh, or I could eventually vote BBT.

Why BBT?

Spoiler:

I said TChill might be scum now I'm wondering why everyone hasn't voted for him.

Maybe you guys missed it? I think TChill could be scum.

Why do you feel like we should vote him if you think he's scum?
Although this comment is quite townie of you since idt if scum would care enough to post this.
[…]
Also why do you think he's scum

Usually, I find scum, tell everyone else they're scum and then we lynch them leading to a town victory!

Yayyyyy!

Sound like a plan?

The way he went from “sort of a reaction bait” to “everything being one big shitpost” is just...

I have honestly no idea what to make of it, but it gives me a bad feeling

Or if you want an elaboration, I don’t like anything about the posts I quoted.

At first I thought the “lynch tchill” post was supposed to be some sort of a reaction bait.
Or an attempt to progress the game or sth.
But fuck no, it was a shitpost.
It couldn’t have been serious, because it wouldn’t make sense to write sth clearly game-progressive and then make a big joke out of it.

And his response in 33 was tonally awful. It felt forced, as if he made the joke overly obvious so that people will understand clearly that he wasn’t trying to do anything.

And I don’t really like the fact that he didn’t take the time to seriously answer a question that
-was meant to be answered seriously.
-had the probability of creating a conversation.
It’s not that scum indicative, but fricking hell, is it really that difficult NOT to make a shitpost when people ask for content?

I'm kinda tempted to vote it even if only because of the tone of the 2-nd post, but I'm not entirely sure what would be the scum motivation there.

[ejjinami]

And can someone tell me sth about DrDoli?
Same about BBT if possible…

Bump (I was asking mostly about meta btw)

[ejjinami]

Oh
and is tchill being careful normal for him?

[ejjinami]

I don't think it's a strong read but I agree with your BBT case

of course it's not
but if you agree, do you wanna switch to him? your pressure on irrel did exactly nothing and I don't think continuing it will do anything early d1. How about switching to the other players? who do you wanna lynch rn?

[ejjinami]

And his response in 33 was tonally awful. It felt forced, as if he made the joke overly obvious so that people will understand clearly that he wasn’t trying to do anything.

And I don’t really like the fact that he didn’t take the time to seriously answer a question that
-was meant to be answered seriously.
-had the probability of creating a conversation.
It’s not that scum indicative, but fricking hell, is it really that difficult NOT to make a shitpost when people ask for content?

I'm kinda tempted to vote it even if only because of the tone of the 2-nd post, but I'm not entirely sure what would be the scum motivation there.

^ this guy is the real tone reader tho

oof

[ejjinami]

well if he wants to tone read me thats fine, but he'll just be aggravated at me for not making any sense tonally at the end of the game. I'd think my tone changes with effort levels. So maybe he is a good tone reader lol.

if that was about me, no, I'm not. My reads generally tend to suck, regardless if they're based on tone or not. I haven't won a single game for like... half a year? :/ but well
/shrug

[ejjinami]

nope. I don't want to but you force me to...

seriously though you play well when you post more... so... I'm gonna push you if i don't see that. Not tunnel (i hate tunnels) but I'll advocate for your lynch while hunting multiple scum.

btw, you are careful. This ^ is a good example of that. You don't attack people right away when you have an opinion and wait/warn them/explain your actions instead.
That's why I asked, it can be a scumtell sometimes. Idrk about this one though.

[ejjinami]

I skimmed 5 Mumble ISOs (3 town, 2 scum) and think that he's not that lurky

here or in general?

[ejjinami]

Agree with the Rei read fn. In my previous game with her she was really obvious as town and the way she writes stuff makes me feel she’d be weak under pressure as scum.

But she hasn't been under pressure so the town read seems premature?
[...]
Alright, I actually have quite a lot of reads considering we're only on page 5 so that's a good thing.

VOTE: Nauci

Let's make this happen.

My read on rei is unrelated to the pressure thingy. It was more of a tone-read at the beginning of the game just to make stuff happen. I still kinda like her, but I have stronger reads atm.

What are your reads?

and why nauci, I don't get the wagon on them tbh.

[ejjinami]

Agree with the Rei read fn. In my previous game with her she was really obvious as town and the way she writes stuff makes me feel she’d be weak under pressure as scum.

But she hasn't been under pressure so the town read seems premature?
[...]
Alright, I actually have quite a lot of reads considering we're only on page 5 so that's a good thing.

VOTE: Nauci

Let's make this happen.

My read on rei is unrelated to the pressure thingy. It was more of a tone-read at the beginning of the game just to make stuff happen. I still kinda like her, but I have stronger reads atm.

What are your reads?

and why nauci, I don't get the wagon on them tbh.

and can you comment on my read on you?

[ejjinami]

nope. I don't want to but you force me to...

seriously though you play well when you post more... so... I'm gonna push you if i don't see that. Not tunnel (i hate tunnels) but I'll advocate for your lynch while hunting multiple scum.

btw, you are careful. This ^ is a good example of that. You don't attack people right away when you have an opinion and wait/warn them/explain your actions instead.
That's why I asked, it can be a scumtell sometimes. Idrk about this one though.

OK. I'm careful in the since that I don't create a toxic atmosphere for the game

That’s bullshit, you don’t need to insult the other players to push your scum reads. If you wanted to create pressure while being nice to people, you’d see it’s not even that hard.
If you’re anxious to push reads without much content, think that you’re unfair or sth, then just say so.
Right now you’re just making excuses.

Scum CAN NOT be caught from single rvs post. That's just ridiculous.

That's something prideful people come up with to brag about when they randomly pick out scum on their first try. Give me a break. Can't catch scum from one single post. Rvs is pointless when it comes to reads imo.

That was in reference to what?

[ejjinami]

I don't think it's a strong read but I agree with your BBT case

of course it's not
but if you agree, do you wanna switch to him? your pressure on irrel did exactly nothing and I don't think continuing it will do anything early d1. How about switching to the other players? who do you wanna lynch rn?

I kinda park on my RVS vote for a long time until I figure out where I want to go, and I haven't figured that out yet.

Ngl, I'm not a fan of that playstyle. If your pressure is doing nothing, don't waste time and just do sth else. You've gotta have some leans at this point of the game and it really won't hurt you to place a vote there.
I'm actually kinda thankful for you writing all that stuff about irre, but it's not something that can be sorted at the beginning of the game imo.
Can you post brackets or sth like that?

[ejjinami]

and what "question" is evedyone asking about rn?

[ejjinami]

Scum CAN NOT be caught from single rvs post. That's just ridiculous.

That's something prideful people come up with to brag about when they randomly pick out scum on their first try. Give me a break. Can't catch scum from one single post. Rvs is pointless when it comes to reads imo.

I shouldn't bias my read of you over this but I love this post

why?

[ejjinami]

VOTE: tchill
I think I want this to be here after all, I didn't really like his last few posts.

[ejjinami]

prob gonna write more later, I don't really have time for that rn.

[ejjinami]

I’m sorry, some stuff popped up and I had trouble finding time for the game. I’ve caught up and noted the stuff I want to respond to, but I’ll paste it tomorrow, after some sleep. Sorry for that.

[ejjinami]

Responses up to page 10, gotta go, I’ll try to finish the rest when I get back.

[ejjinami]

nope. I don't want to but you force me to...

seriously though you play well when you post more... so... I'm gonna push you if i don't see that. Not tunnel (i hate tunnels) but I'll advocate for your lynch while hunting multiple scum.

btw, you are careful. This ^ is a good example of that. You don't attack people right away when you have an opinion and wait/warn them/explain your actions instead. That's why I asked, it can be a scumtell sometimes. Idrk about this one though.

OK. I'm careful in the since that I don't create a toxic atmosphere for the game

That’s bullshit, you don’t need to insult the other players to push your scum reads. If you wanted to create pressure while being nice to people, you’d see it’s not even that hard. If you’re anxious to push reads without much content, think that you’re unfair or sth, then just say so. Right now you’re just making excuses.

Whats BS exactly? That I'm nice? That I'm careful I'm how I treat people?...
Cool. I never said you had to insult to push. I simply said I'm careful not to insult.

You are misconstruing my post.
I said that

“You warned your SRs instead of actually pushing them and bothered to explain “how exactly will you do it”, so you’re being careful.”

And you answered that

“you’re careful because you don’t want the game to become toxic”.

IF you wanted to pressure people and had no other reasons not to, being nice would NOT hinder you.
That answer very much felt like an excuse. Or like you wanted to say sth that would put you in a better light and screwed up while doing that.

I mean, I guess you have been playing normally lately and I didn’t really get the feeling you were forcing yourself to do stuff, but just what the fuck?

Seriously,
what
the fuck?

[ejjinami]

Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

Why nauci in particular?
And does that mean you do have a read on her?

first of all, i kind of think that nauci is town here. i know that mathdino had some secret tell to read her and i'm trying to think about if i'm remembering it right here, but i still think she looks pretty town anyways. why are people voting there? (@kop and @mumble specifically)

What makes you think she is town?

[ejjinami]

tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town.

I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town.

I would love to have answer to both of those.

honestly? why would he not want to answer the question as scum?
Does it even matter?
You're making it sound like it's sufficiently AI to change your read on him and I don't really like that tbh.
You're either making a big deal for exactly no reason, or were trying to pressure him in a really awful way.
Which one was that?


@TWAIN, if you don’t want to quote posts, can you at least

bold

or

underline

the things you quote? it’s difficult to find your answers in there. Thanks

[ejjinami]

Btw, I’d be fine with lynching Kop here, I think.
The only thing he posted (till the time I started writing this post) was him being against lynching lynchbait. He didn’t try to talk about their alignment, nor write anything that would indicate him actually trying to scumhunt.
Dunno how he plays normally, but as for now I’d say it’s possible he’s scum, aiming for easy contribution.
Or at least, he hasn’t written anything till now, that would make me want him to stay here.

[ejjinami]

VOTE: kop
I'm kinda recluctant to switch votes, but I think it might do a bit better here.

[ejjinami]

Nauci (4) - Kop, Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee

I think nauci might be town based on the people who voted her. Besides alchemist all of them are people on whom I haven't been able to get a read till now.
Idk if I can read her by any other means rn.
And kop’s vote on her was RvS, so I don’t think it counts.
….
ugh
that's not a strong read btw

Irrelephant

>>88
>(wait, his? Twaiin are you a he I'm sorry yes you are, your avi got me)

Did you really feel the need to actually post this?

>>200
>lol did NOT mean to click post yet

And did you really not mean to? I now see what Nauci was warning about, these posts of yours really feel like you're putting on an act.

How confident are you in that read?

Btw, this ^ kinda pings me, but I can't really put my finger on it. I’d kinda want to say the paranoia of the nice tone is a town-sign, but idk…
I'm kinda leaning that it is, but it feels kinda easy as for a read from a paranoid townie

[ejjinami]

Page 12, but I should have a bit more time today evening, so I think I should be able to analyze p13 and 14 today.

[ejjinami]

I liked TWAIN's 213 and 233. UNVOTE:

The small amount of townlean I had on Twain is fading quickly. I find that last reads list the most hard to believe - you seem to be actually scumreading other people's play but because I had some typos/website issues, I deserve your vote? [...]

Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble

- Is this a first order OMGUS on twain??? So you agree that he's scumreading people's plays, but also that you don't believe the reads?

- Town reads on NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)+ Nauci (a flip from an earlier scumread? for what? Nauci's post has been pretty consistent in nature, so any reads should also be consistent) and sounds like a casual excuse to go on a mumble's wagon wtf

VOTE: irrelephant

?

He didn't scum read me ever and specifically gave context that I have disclaimered on him as town? And NSG doing nothing is like 5 game pages outdated

This

feels like a grasping for straws case when the wagon on me lost momentum...

VOTE: DrDolittle

He never voted you and I don’t remember him ever writing anything about you, so why do you think that read was connected to your wagon?

[ejjinami]

Mumble's iso shows no effort in solving or generating content. Only states reads.

I halfway expect him to fake claim at intent.

Why do you think it’s scummy for him?
And if it’s a PL, there are lurkers who are both scummy and inactive, so be a brave boy and pick someone else.

What do you think about kop?

[ejjinami]

I like the effort from mumble. Ngl, this is p much a shitty read, but I think it’s enough for d1.
Also, I think his read on twain and the interactions with Rei were good.

Nauci's 117 is bad. No reason for her to interject in a comment I made to you. But, even though she gave her support for your, she didn't act on it at all. Bad.

Nauci’s post about twain was an answer to my question in 97, I don’t think it was a read.

Are you so determined to lynch all lurkers or whatever reasons you have for going after only mumble

He wants to policy me in pretty much every game we ever play just because I lurked out once (about a year ago) and won as scum due to people not understand power role mechanics.

It's a annoying and I want to scream f-bombs at him, but it pretty much lock towns him for me.

Note for the future, if ever one of mumble or tchill flips scum, based on that ^ read I’d say, it’s more likely the other is town. That doesn’t feel like SvS imo.

[ejjinami]

It feels like nauci doesn’t really care about the game. Her read on ire was meta and she didn’t even bother to check Rei’s and drDoli’s ISOs before SRing them.
Rn I think it might be more of a meta thing, but I don’t really like it.

BBT went slightly up on the list, but it’s mostly because I saw his vote on cop in the latest posts.
I don’t really like the nauci read.

[ejjinami]

This looks exactly like town Nauci so far - paranoid of me, anti-lurkers at first,

trying to provide all her thoughts and reads when she can...

I got a completely different vibe from her. I already said sth about that. I don’t see where you got the “giving her thoughts when she can”. Please, can you quote the stuff that made you feel that way?
It feels like you’re defending her just for the sake of defending her tbh. And you didn’t really bother to think it through imo.
Not sure how scum indicative is it, but don’t do that ffs. It is not helping.

[ejjinami]

DDL we all wish it was us two, us two more than anyone.

May you live happily ever after.
You may kiss the bride


And can you comment on the stuff I wrote about nauci (337)? Do you think it’s AI for her?

[ejjinami]

Nauci wagon is still a great wagon.

What do you think of the people on nauci’s wagon? Do you think it would influence your read on her?


Btw, @Tchill, I’d be glad if you answered 302. I did not write it just to let it stay there. thanks

[ejjinami]

Based on skimming 5 of Mumble's past games I think there's a hollistic difference but I don't want to mention it this early and disrupt the behavior

Do you think he’s town or scum?

[ejjinami]

Hot take: both mumble and Nauci are town.

I'd like everyone to comment on that btw.
I'll explain my reads after I get back home (prob tomorrow morning/afternoon or sth like that).

[ejjinami]

but seriously, I'll be surprised if nauci's wagon was pure.

[ejjinami]

but seriously, I'll be surprised if nauci's wagon was pure.

If he's scum, he is prob getting bussed.
and tbh I don't really see this happening d1... like, lol?
and it was the biggest wagon this whole day……………


Not impossible, but it's enough to make me NOT want to be in there.

[ejjinami]

Aww man, you had a 50/50 choice and chose the wrong one.

If you're gonna vote a low poster, it needs to be Kop. I'd much prefer you to join the Nauci wagon though.

Again, what do you think about the people on and off nauci’s wagon? (just comment on my previous post please)

[ejjinami]

Someone explain the Nauci wagon to me, because I really don't think she's the scummiest player so far in a game with Kop, Lalendra, twain, DDL, and lurky!NSG???

Wait, can you explain why is twain there again?
Do you think their read on you is scum motivated?

Nauci wagon is still a great wagon.

What do you think of the people on nauci’s wagon? Do you think it would influence your read on her?


Btw, @Tchill, I’d be glad if you answered 302. I did not write it just to let it stay there. thanks

I’ve been leaning Town on BBT. Mumble I’ve been null on (but that 331 looks Town). Kop I’m not sure about and could probably wagon him for a bit if it helps me with my reads. I think my read on her could be influenced by other voters if they were scummy enough to make me think they’re taking advantage of it but nobody gave me that vibe.

You forgot about Lalendra.
Why do you think BBT is town and how confident are you in that read?
And agree with Mumble.

[ejjinami]

I do get the feeling Nauci cares about the game somewhat, so idk where that feeling comes from for you. Though I'm agreed she could be playing better/isn't reading players deeply before providing reads. Unsure if it's AI, though like I said I don't like her votes. Hmmm yeah I could be wrong about her, she looks pretty

bystander-y rn.

Yeeeeep,

that’s

^ exactly the thing I was talking about. Even if she cares about the game, she doesn’t care enough to make active progress and doesn’t seem to get into anything she’s doing.
As I said before, I got the feeling it was more of a meta thing, but lol.

[-----snipped the post------]

Who do you want to lynch?

[ejjinami]

@Rei

I haven’t seen anything from Nauci to reverse my read

and the CW to her also that formed also makes me think she’s likely scum.

VOTE: Nauci

I don’t like how in the same post they give a description of irrelephant as an excellent scum player who can’t be caught by a single post only to then claim to have caught them by a single post. You gave no reference to their Town game and to me it reads like you trying to say “hey this guy’s dangerous as scum and you won’t be able to catch him, but don’t worry because I know exactly how they work and have already caught them for you!”

This ^ is the only read on nauci you posted. Is this what you were talking about?

Same as my reasoning with mumble.

Did you really think it'd be any different?

Assuming there are no scums among the shitters, who would you want to lynch?

[ejjinami]

I think kop is putting in effort.

Even though his reads are super weird and I don't agree with them I could see them coming from a "tryhard" town so to speak.

Kop is putting in effort to explain his “general meta”. There’s close to nothing about stuff related to this game only.
Even though it was big and written nicely, it was nothing more than him just dodging the issue. There’s nothing townie about that.
As I said before, I’ll check his meta, but as for now, I want him lynched.
Do you have any experience with him?

He has provided more content in his post than mumble or lalendra.

100% disagree.

tbh im not seeing lalendra scum

Why?

[ejjinami]

Rn, I would like to lynch among: Kop, BBT, Laendra. There are a few more, but tbh I’d like to check them again before placing them anywhere and there’s no way I’ll be able to do it today.
Aaand I prob have to check NSG, cuz I didn’t really get a bad feeling from their posts, but people keep saying that he has a meta…
Kop is still my top pick though, his post didn’t really change anything for me. I’ll check his previous games after I get home, but idk how much can that change.

[ejjinami]

fully caught up btw

[ejjinami]

Aww man, you had a 50/50 choice and chose the wrong one.

If you're gonna vote a low poster, it needs to be Kop. I'd much prefer you to join the Nauci wagon though.

What do you think about the people on and off nauci’s wagon? (just comment on my previous post (395) please)

@BBT

[ejjinami]

Obligatory prodge. :/ lol, doing that feels bad
Some stuff got delayed and I got home just a few minutes ago. I'll unpack my stuff and start doing the things I was planning to do.
I should have way more time from now on.

This does not count as a "game advancing" post. See Rule 12:

Prodging - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."

ejjnami is issued an official prod. -Mod

[ejjinami]

I don't know what you want me to say ejj.

You're making bad assumptions? And pre-flip associations? It's all bad.

In nearly every game I played on this site, there was that one guy who kept saying that interaction reads are bad. And there hasn’t been a single game where anyone would have bothered to sensibly explain WHY.
Funny, I think.

If overconfidence in the reads is the problem, you should be saying that about absolutely every read. I did have games where I got a bit too confident in the interaction reads, but generally I’m glad to have sth other than tone-reads to depend on. Especially in the games that go on for some time without a scum-lynch.

If you don’t want to depend on interaction-reads pre-flip, then w/e, it’s your choice I guess, but I don’t think I’d want to discard the method atm.

If you want an elaboration on how confident am I in the read on Nauci, I am not confident. I don’t get your reads on her and I tone-vise I couldn’t find anything in her ISO that would make me lean on her one way or another.
I don’t really like the wagon on her though. Both you and Alchem wrote your reads and are sticking to them as if it was supposed to solve the entire game.
And the reads are freaking weak. I wouldn’t call them much them stronger than the read I have on Kop rn. This wagon remaining the biggest one for so long makes me think the people SRing nauci are either scum, or just not trying.

Either way, I don’t wanna be on that wagon.
I don’t have a read on most of the people on the wagon, I don’t really get their reasons for the SRs and I don’t have a read on nauci myself, so I see no reason why would I want to flip that.
There are still better targets imo.

[ejjinami]

yeah my read changed from null to he's scum.

Why has it changed?

Do You town read all the people who are voting me, and are you not considering there could be scum pushing this avenue?

If you think there’s scum on your wagon, who is it?
Do you have any basis for saying that or is it just a random guess?
And why are you not voting?

Btw, even if you don’t want to give reads d1, nothing should be stopping you from interacting with the other players.
Till now, you’ve done close to nothing except defending yourself. If you’re town, you’re just a deadweight rn. It is not that hard to ask people questions.
And unless your plan really is to be a deadweight the entire time, place a vote somewhere.
There is no reason not to do that imo.

Please answer my questions at the top of the post btw.

[ejjinami]

@DrDoli Irrelephant is not going to get lynched today.
neither is BBT nor Alchemist imo.
So if you want to be helpful, how about you try to pick someone among the players who could actually get lynched?
Do not make your vote useless.

[ejjinami]

Doing some re-reading

I liked TWAIN's 213 and 233. UNVOTE:

The small amount of townlean I had on Twain is fading quickly. I find that last reads list the most hard to believe - you seem to be actually scumreading other people's play but because I had some typos/website issues, I deserve your vote? [...]

Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble

- Is this a first order OMGUS on twain??? So you agree that he's scumreading people's plays, but also that you don't believe the reads?

- Town reads on NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)+ Nauci (a flip from an earlier scumread? for what? Nauci's post has been pretty consistent in nature, so any reads should also be consistent) and sounds like a casual excuse to go on a mumble's wagon wtf

VOTE: irrelephant

I always struggle with OMGUS-ing as town, so please @all let me know if I'm wrong here, but this feels like DDL

wanting

to see me as scum and intentionally misrepping/overreacting. Like I clearly didn't say "I agree Twain is scumreading people's plays, but I don't believe the reads". I said "I think a lot of Twain's reads make sense, but then to vote me for such a bad reason - I can't be sure this is coming from town".
I guess it's possible I come across as JUST. THAT. SCUMMY but this whole post just feels OTT - even if he fully believes what he's saying, does it necessitate such a strong reaction?

bumping it for later
I'll read it after I get some sleep, I'm legit unable to process that rn.

[ejjinami]

Rn, I would like to lynch among: Kop, BBT, Laendra. There are a few more, but tbh I’d like to check them again before placing them anywhere and there’s no way I’ll be able to do it today.
Aaand I prob have to check NSG, cuz I didn’t really get a bad feeling from their posts, but people keep saying that he has a meta…
Kop is still my top pick though, his post didn’t really change anything for me. I’ll check his previous games after I get home, but idk how much can that change.

Why is BBT in here for you? Maybe you've mentioned it but a quick skim didn't answer this for me
Also does it affect your feeling on lynching Lalendra that she has been called lynchbait by multiple players this game?

Actually, the read on BBT was a memory-read. I remembered him not having a lot of good content and being tonally bad in his reads… but that wasn’t very accurate tbh… and I think I was mistaking him for Alchem for quite some time.

I don't really like alchem's posts btw
I like neither his push on nauci nor on tchill. Both feel a bit too confident considered how weak they are and I didn’t really notice him trying to push the other players before voting Kop.
Feels like he’s trying to fake contribution (fencesiting on a weak read and having a ton of townreads to pretend he’s doing sth). It doesn’t feel like he actually cares.


The main reason why I’m thinking of lynching lalendra is that I can’t really get a read on them and I have nothing against getting rid of them if they're going to be a dead-weight the entire game.
That's a lynch option I'd prob pick if people disagree with my other SRs.

Might also switch to NSG tbh… I haven’t checked their previous games yet, but people seem to actually be SRing them and it would be prob more beneficial to get rid of them first.

Idk

And sorry if I’m not making much sense, like, it’s basically 4.30 AM rn…
I'm also not going to check the grammar, so sorry if it's unreadable. I'll rephrase the posts tomorrow if there's a need to do it.

I’ll prob reread all of it tomorrow anyways, cuz I’m not really confident in anything I’m doing rn.
Stopping at 465. There's another wall and the letters are getting blury.
I feel like shit for postponing everything so much, but I can't go on like that. sorry

[ejjinami]

If scum isn't in those 3 players I GAURANTEE they'd rather lynch kop than mumble or lalendra.

VOTE: kop

Since other people pushed him first maybe he'll actually get lynched.

Agreed that this progression is awful

Wait, why do you think the progression is awful?
I’m not seeing tchill as scum rn. His progression on Kop was weird, but I don’t really see it as scum motivated.
And I realy don’t think being hypocritical and doing stuff “as one thinks mafia might do” is scum indicative. It’s more often just stupid and not planned imo.

Do you have any other reasons for wanting to lynch him?

I'm around here:

ejjinami
BBT
Alchemist
Rei
Nauci
Mumble
Twain -- this is null
nsg
DDL
Kop
Lalendra
tchill

Explain the read on Alchem please.
Why is nauci a bigger townread than mumble?
And a lot of players have been saying that NSG is playing to their scum meta, why are they your least confident scumread? (why do you think kop and lalendra are worse than NSG?)

[ejjinami]

Btw, I want to hear more from Nauci. She hasn't written anything game-related in a few days and it's starting to get a bit irritating tbh.

[ejjinami]

yeah my read changed from null to he's scum.

Why has it changed?

Bump.
I do want to hear your answer here btw

[ejjinami]

Do You town read all the people who are voting me, and are you not considering there could be scum pushing this avenue?

If you think there’s scum on your wagon, who is it?
Do you have any basis for saying that or is it just a random guess?

@

K

o

p

.

[ejjinami]

Doing some re-reading

I liked TWAIN's 213 and 233. UNVOTE:

The small amount of townlean I had on Twain is fading quickly. I find that last reads list the most hard to believe - you seem to be actually scumreading other people's play but because I had some typos/website issues, I deserve your vote? [...]

Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble

- Is this a first order OMGUS on twain??? So you agree that he's scumreading people's plays, but also that you don't believe the reads?

- Town reads on NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)+ Nauci (a flip from an earlier scumread? for what? Nauci's post has been pretty consistent in nature, so any reads should also be consistent) and sounds like a casual excuse to go on a mumble's wagon wtf

VOTE: irrelephant

I always struggle with OMGUS-ing as town, so please @all let me know if I'm wrong here

, but this feels like DDL

wanting

to see me as scum and intentionally misrepping/overreacting. Like I clearly didn't say "I agree Twain is scumreading people's plays, but I don't believe the reads". I said "I think a lot of Twain's reads make sense, but then to vote me for such a bad reason - I can't be sure this is coming from town".
I guess it's possible I come across as JUST. THAT. SCUMMY but this whole post just feels OTT - even if he fully believes what he's saying, does it necessitate such a strong reaction?

Actually, now that I think of it, you wrote that post in a really fun way.
The post doesn’t feel like an OMGUS, but as a SR. I mean, you thought of a scum motivation to explain drDoli’s behavior, so it can’t be just a pure OMGUS.

And that makes

the first part of the post

feel like an attempt to make the post look more “uncertain”/”townie”.
Like, as if the

“I always struggle with OMGUS-ing as town”

was placed there
-just to make the read tonally better
ooor
-to be able to write the "I'm town" thingy in an indirect way.

Not sure how confident am I in reading that rn, but oh boy this is gonna be fun.


How incriminating do you think your read on DrDoli is? Like, how confident are you in reading that?

“So you agree that he's scumreading people's plays, but also that you don't believe the reads?”

I don’t get a point of that sentence tbh.
So if you were talking about that, I agree.

[ejjinami]

@DrDoli Irrelephant is not going to get lynched today.
neither is BBT nor Alchemist imo.
So if you want to be helpful, how about you try to pick someone among the players who could actually get lynched?
Do not make your vote useless.

yeah you are probably right. who are the leading wagons right now? Is it just between nauci and kop and tchill? ill try to think hard on this tomorrow. Am I missing anyone?

Nauci, Kop, Tchill and most prob NSG.
But yeah, thx.
Also, can you answer irre’s 461? I’m also kinda curious about that tbh.

[ejjinami]

on the phone rn
I think I have a rather solid townread on tchill. Like, I'll be really surprised if he flips scum here.
I didn't get to finish the read on him previously, but I will after I manage to snatch the computer from my brother.
I'll also answer the other question, I don't really remember it rn…

But ffs, stop it, this conversation will get you nowhere, your push on tchill is equally useless as his struggles against the site meta. And again, why Kop rather than NSG? (if you already answered that, could you quote it or sth? thx)

@Irre

[ejjinami]

UNVOTE: dr.do

this vote is pretty much useless now

Who would you want to lynch today?
Do you have any thoughts on Kop, NSG or Alchem?

[ejjinami]

the question was mine. I was unsure if I'd be able to post today, but it seems I can.
I obviously wasn't able to do much d1, so I tried rereading some stuff at night to get a better read on people, but tbh I'm still not realy caught up yet.
You'll prob have to deal with my activity for now, at least till I ISO everyone and reread the stuff I've just skipped through before.

I'll post stuff when I'm not on the phone, still not really sure who do I want to lynch today.



@Scio do you have any thoughts about d1?

[ejjinami]

and DrDoli, what are your reads after irre's town flip?

[ejjinami]

btw, with the numer of wagons by EoD, I'm p sure scum were splitting votes. this will be fun to analyze imo

[ejjinami]

I think BBT is Town for the way he’s trying to build wagons. I think he’s trying to see who will or won’t vote on certain people to get a sense of where scum are. I think he’s good as either alignment so it’s not a lockTown read but strong enough that I’d let him do his thing for now.

and btw, could you walk me through that one?
why did you get the feeling he's baiting instead of just "not caring because he's scum".
and what is your read on him now?

[ejjinami]

Working on a read list for some time now, but I thought I’d post this since the discussion seems to be going this way.

[ejjinami]

GUN TO MY HEAD, Sci is town.
Her lack of motivation and uncaring attitude when people are reacting to her posts badly feels more like coming from tired/demotivated town, than scum.
She just replaced in, so if scum, defending herself now would be her first time to do her job.
And if town, considering that she had to read the thread and get some reads, she would have been doing her job for quite some time now.
Getting reads is generally easier for scum than town imo, so I don’t think her acting demotivated is scum motivated. NAI at worst.
That’s not a strong read, so I def won’t be keeping that read for long, but she’s ok to me rn.

[ejjinami]

VOTE: BBT
I want my vote to be here rn.
I’ve read his ISO, but I don’t have a read done yet. In short, I didn’t like his posts near EoD;
seemed to want a CFD, but was passive about it most of the time. It didn’t feel that he actually cared about it.
Possible scum wanting to distance themselves from the town lynch.
There were interactions with DDS that were just weird and inconsistent and I don’t really like his push on tchill, but it’s mostly because of my read on him.

(I’ve been postponing writing my read on him for ages, but I’m forcing myself to do it rn. I have no excuse for that.)

[ejjinami]

And btw, NSG should get prodded. If people are right about her meta, she might actually be scum.

[ejjinami]

who do you think killed then?

idk

Scumteam is prob composed of players not willing to take risks?

or those who don't care to plan ahead or have a goal in mind when getting rid of people.
Or there was a reason for killing irre, but tbh I’m not really sure if it’s analyzable.

I find it kinda funny that you don't like VCAs and want to read the NK instead, when it's even more WIFOM.

[ejjinami]

If DDL is scum without BBT and Lalendra then thats a perfect stance to take. Not SR'ing lalendra, making sure she never flips so it doesn't incriminate you if she's town.

you are assuming Sci will never give content, which I think it incorrect.
Do you have any experience playing with her?

[ejjinami]

DrDoli is fine tbh :/
I liked his 443. Seems like honest shade on the 2 slots I don’t really like.
I also kinda liked 644. I have a strong TR on Tchill and kop flipped town, so DDL having a strong opinion on that subject is good imo. Especially since Kop was actually getting lynched.
DDL didn't really say his opinion on it before and it would have been a pefect oportunity to distance himself from the lynch imo (if he's scum, he completely wasted it). That gave me slight town vibes.

[ejjinami]

Rei wasn’t very active in the game I played with her previously and I really doubt her doing it now is scum indicative.
As for now I’d say that the passive play and questioning people instead of actively pushing them is normal for her.
It doesn’t feel like she’s focusing on any sort of goal or is actively going in any set direction.
Like, there are a lot of random, half-fluffy posts that feel like they’re coming from someone who just goes with the flow, not caring about looking in a specific way or anything like that.
And from my experience that tends to come more often from town than scum.

@Nauci about your question to how I feel about the townreads on me

Honestly I'm a bit surprised because the last few games people have been telling me i'm a naturally wolfy town
I'm kinda wary of it but it's way too early for me to start susing people because they townread me, especially since like all of them have reasons like "gut read" or "tonal read"
I'll be keeping an eye on how the reads on me progress and how natural they are

Btw, that’s also the reason why I like that post (and the town claim) tonally.
Prob town.

[ejjinami]

Looks like I'm going to have to effort this game seems as people don't seem to want to lynch scum.

is your read on tchill based only on his vote on Kop, or do you have any other reasons?
why do you think it's scummy?

[ejjinami]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Elaborate please

[ejjinami]

Why did Tchill get replaced?

probably because of something not nice

he might have replaced out

[ejjinami]

do you have any other reads?

[ejjinami]

do you have any other reads?

and what do you think about my read on Sci?

[ejjinami]

Nauci (5) - Kop, Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee, Lalendra

lol this wagon

Elaborate please

[ejjinami]

@Creat, you were SRing DDL, Rei and BBT. Can you elaborate on them?
And why were you so confident in Mumble being town?

[ejjinami]

Lalendra (1) - Nauci

geez Nauci's votes are weird

How are they weird?

[ejjinami]

Hey @Nauci, could you explain that switch in 228? (look at posts 216 -> 228)

[ejjinami]

This is probably the hardest game to read I've ever encountered tbh

agree with that
I'm kinda tempted to just ignore all of my reads and try again, completely ignoring the posts from d1.
this is just terrible

[ejjinami]

I mean, I'm not gonna do this, but ugh.

[ejjinami]

I’m burnt out.

BBT might be actually town... I mean, he doesn’t really seem to care about his lynch and I don’t really see any sort of resistance to the wagon.

795 is bad from DDL and I'm hoping people can see why without me having to explain it

Like, that ^ for example. The laziness rarely comes from wagoned scum imo.
I mean, it’s possible if he’s scum with nauci and it was supposed to go like that, but meh. I don't really feel that sort of motivation/planning from either of them tbh.

Can we lynch DDL first?

And can you explain what feels 'forced' about it given I have barely pushed on DDL as I haven't been properly active in this game yet.

Same with that post
It's a shitty read, but it's enough for me rn.

I’m not really seeing BBT and DDL as SvS. Possible TvS, but I don’t think anything more than that.

[ejjinami]

VOTE: NSG
I don’t care if she’s on V/La, she didn’t have trouble writing stuff in another game and she didn’t write anything here since SoD. Look through her posts and it'll be quite obvious. She should have received at least 1 nudge till now, so I find it really unlikely she just forgot about the game.

I have an appointment in an hour, but I’ll be back after that finishes.

[ejjinami]

@Mod, can we get a VC?

[ejjinami]

UNNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

BlueBloodedToffee (3) - DrDolittle, Tchill13, Alchemist21
northsidegal (2) – Mumble, ejjinami
DrDolittle (1) - BlueBloodedToffee
Scioness Sajj (1) – Creature
Rei (1) - Scioness Sajj
Mumble (1) – Nauci
Nauci (0) -
Tchill13 (0) -
Creature (0) -
Alchemist21 (0) -
ejjinami (0) -


Not Voting: northsidegal, Rei

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is Saturday, September 1st at 12:00 pm PDT which is in

(expired on 2018-09-01 12:00:00)

[ejjinami]

fck, I won't be able to post p much at all for 2-3 days.
I've been absolute shit in this game and I'm really sorry for that.
I'll try to catch up today as far as I can and I'll post all of it in one post later.

A few quick posts for now

I’m burnt out.

BBT might be actually town... I mean, he doesn’t really seem to care about his lynch and I don’t really see any sort of resistance to the wagon.

795 is bad from DDL and I'm hoping people can see why without me having to explain it

Like, that ^ for example. The laziness rarely comes from wagoned scum imo.
I mean, it’s possible if he’s scum with nauci and it was supposed to go like that, but meh. I don't really feel that sort of motivation/planning from either of them tbh.

Can we lynch DDL first?

And can you explain what feels 'forced' about it given I have barely pushed on DDL as I haven't been properly active in this game yet.

Same with that post
It's a shitty read, but it's enough for me rn.

I’m not really seeing BBT and DDL as SvS. Possible TvS, but I don’t think anything more than that.

I want to agree here but I think all of these things are really easily said as scum, tbh. "What do you want from me I'm busy" is something I've seen from heaps of scum, even as they get closer to being lynched

Then why aren’t you voting him?

Interesting that every (?) replacement is scum reading me. If you're town, you need to evaluate the game-state and realise what is happening.

I'm being pushed for a reason. Ask yourself, why?

If you think scum is ganging up on you, who are the scums on your wagon?

The short version is that there are many comments, but little reads or progression from that.

Irony, oh the sweet, sweet irony

What about my play is scummy and where is the AtE?

Also, why is AtE scummy? And why are you acting like AtE is exclusively a scum trait?

Stop tunneling and start writing reads, you’ve been sticking to DDL the entire day and you’d have to be an idiot not to see that the wagon isn’t progressing.
You seemed to be SRing Tchill, so where did your interest go?
And you didn’t seem to be very willing to interact with the other players to get your wagon actually going, so why didn't you try to probe anyone else when you saw that your wagon isn't growing?

In the mean time,

Confirm vote: BBT

I actually asked to replace in for this slot on Saturday and so while I haven't closely read the thread (having no idea what was taking jackal so long) I do not currently have a better FoS than BBT.

Rei was in my lynchpool back on like Monday. I don't like the unvote in the early game. But BBT seems fine for now.

Elaborate on rei. And what unvote are you talking about?

[ejjinami]

Hey, let's be frank. I haven't read the game yet.
I didn't have time and right now I'm just too tired to force myself to do shit. Just don't quickhammer and I'll be able to catch up.
Lol, normally I'd lurk until I catch up at least a bit, buuuuut

I'm a gunsmith and I got a

red check

.

I'LL SAY WHO MY CHECK IS AROUND 10 DAYS FROM NOW ON.

You know the deal. Just

don't guickhammer

and I'll be able to catch up later.


My

n1 check

was

lalendra (sci)

and I crumbed it here

GUN TO MY HEAD, Sci is town.
Her lack of motivation and uncaring attitude when people are reacting to her posts badly feels more like coming from tired/demotivated town, than scum.
She just replaced in, so if scum, defending herself now would be her first time to do her job.
And if town, considering that she had to read the thread and get some reads, she would have been doing her job for quite some time now.
Getting reads is generally easier for scum than town imo, so I don’t think her acting demotivated is scum motivated. NAI at worst.
That’s not a strong read, so I def won’t be keeping that read for long, but she’s ok to me rn.

well, GLHF, I'm out. I'll come back when I'm a little less tired

[ejjinami]

wait what

[ejjinami]

Just out it now or I can't sleep aaaa

why should I out my check?

[ejjinami]

hope it's you

weeell, it's certainly not you
lol

[ejjinami]

hope it's you

It's fully mutual sweetheart

What have I done wrong

you either haven't read my post or you're shading on a conf town, which one is it?

[ejjinami]

wiggle wiggle wiggle

btw, who do you think I checked?

[ejjinami]

hint, I diiiiiidn't read the last pages, so it was mostly gut. lol

[ejjinami]

I thought it's pretty much a guilty with the vig out I couldn't imagine there being a second killing role

But according to the wiki cops also carry guns

Also I didn't read your post well ejji.

there will be no cop.
We're playing a 13p with a vigilante and a gunsmith, having a cop would make the game too town-sided

[ejjinami]

I thought it's pretty much a guilty with the vig out I couldn't imagine there being a second killing role

But according to the wiki cops also carry guns

Also I didn't read your post well ejji.

btw, I find it quite funny you totally focused on my unnannounced red check and didn't even bother looking at the green check and at the crumb.
If someone gives you info and if you claim "to be unable to sleep" because of "excitement" or whatever, I think it's rather normal for you to check if I'm even telling the truth first


OR to at least look at the whole post, not just skip through it.

[ejjinami]

Well if you'd ask me based on a quick read of your lasts post I'd say either tora/nsg or a player who I wouldn't lynch at all now who I wouldn't want to out as a possible cop/PR unless you want me to?

What about a rolecop? Or PGO (can be anti town)

my target is alive, I wouldn't have claimed if they were dead
think, god dammit

[ejjinami]

wiggle wiggle wiggle

btw, who do you think I checked?

this looks like a fun game. you should all play it guys

the winners get free cookies
the losers have to buy them

perfect.

[ejjinami]

place your bets

and I'm witholding the check to get reads FROM my target and ON my target. So ya know, I'd be glad if everyone gave them.
Voting is fine too, it's not like we 100% have to lynch my target today. they'll get lynched anyways, so I'm fine with lynching someone else today.

Especially since my target would also have to place their vote somewhere lol.
and that's analyzable

[ejjinami]

I could always anounce my check on day 14, or just before the hammer

[ejjinami]

now that I think of it, it might actually be a good idea

it's not like we're anywhere near LyLo, so we can spare a scum lynch to get more interactions imo.
What do you think about NOT lynching my check today?

Normal scum-hunting should be a priority anyways, becuase I'm not sure if I'll be able to provide any more checks from now on (RB-er / kill / etc)

[ejjinami]

BUT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO LYNCH MY TARGET TOMORROW

[ejjinami]

so if ya all agree, who do you want to lynch?

I'll place my vote later. I wanna do a VCA, cuz with 2 conf scum, i think I could actually get some info out of it

[ejjinami]

so if ya all agree, who do you want to lynch?

I'll place my vote later. I wanna do a VCA, cuz with 2 conf scum, i think I could actually get some info out of it

dunno if I'll paste it.
I'll prob leave it to myself until EoD

or idk

[ejjinami]

dude you die tonight so like you know

you know

there might be a doc or sth

[ejjinami]

Myeah that's a pretty good plan in hindsight.
But how sure are you that it's scum? do you want me to say who I think you targeted or nah

As for reads they haven't really changed overnight aside from Sajj->town of course with the clear.

it was supposed to be a game / joke, or w/e so I don't really care.

and yes, I am confident that there will not be any other powerful town roles in the game, that have a gun.
My check is a guilty
and my target will flip scum
and you look bad for trying to make me think otherwise.

Lol, you immediately thinking of it "having a possibility of being a PR" instead of being scum looks really bad.

and btw, I'd like you to also give reads. You agreed to lynch outside of my check, so who do you want it to be?

[ejjinami]

We're at 6-2 I think so tomorrow is mylo I think? Assuming 1 lynch 1 death cycles

I don't see why we shouldn't lynch your target today unless the entire game thinks it's a PR after all

Still want to lynch outside tbh.
if I am to die, I want to at least do sth

or this will really end up being my very shittiest game on the forum

[ejjinami]

Relevantly I think we should be careful about putting anyone at L-1 until Ejj has a chance to share the results. Last twilight was long, but I don't think it's worth risking a quick hammer/self hammer and having Ejj get killed in the night

Also Ejj out of curiosity what is the specific result you got on Scioness? Was it, like, 'No Result' or a genuine 'This player does not have a gun'?

XXX has a gun / doesn't have a gun.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ejjinami]

As for reads they haven't really changed overnight aside from Sajj->town of course with the clear.

you had two town in scum brackets and one scum in null. don't you think your reads need reevaluation?

idk what are you talking about, but agree.

I'd like to have reads from everyone
maybe except sci

[ejjinami]

im pretty ready to do nothing except sheep ejj today

write reads
Who do you want to lynch

[ejjinami]

uhh, it seems not everyone wants to take their chances for free cookies
that's a shame

[ejjinami]

I didn't want to lynch outside your check ejji

Most of my reads still stand tbh with DDL/Alch being my scumreads right now

I thought you checked someone I townread. Which is why I'm cautious.

You have 10 days. I don't care what you do, you could reevaluate your reads or completely waste all of the time you've got.
It's your choice and you'll be read for it later

And IF you think I checked the scum among your townreads, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHO IT IS? I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU.
If you find them and lynch them today, you'll get free towncreed
If you don't, I personally want you lynched later.

[ejjinami]

I want cookies I just don't think the person I think you targeted is scum.

you don't even freaking know who it is

Hey, try to think of a balanced 13p setup with a vig and a gunsmith
in which my check could have been false
and post it here

[ejjinami]

now that I think of it, it might actually be a good idea

it's not like we're anywhere near LyLo, so we can spare a scum lynch to get more interactions imo.
What do you think about NOT lynching my check today?

Normal scum-hunting should be a priority anyways, becuase I'm not sure if I'll be able to provide any more checks from now on (RB-er / kill / etc)

Don't get cocky, we only got one of them.

with my check it's 2

[ejjinami]

lol we're so cocky when we're like one mislynch away from MyLo with two scum left.

1 of them is confirmed and we need info

you seem to agree that people shouldn't blindly follow my check, so why are you against it?

[ejjinami]

lol we're so cocky when we're like one mislynch away from MyLo with two scum left.

1 of them is confirmed and we need info

you seem to agree that people shouldn't blindly follow my check, so why are you against it?

Scum can't both go antispew, so let's torment them.

that's why I want to lynch outside of my check today.
I will do a VCA and will catch up on all of the stuff that I've missed
and I should prob get some p sweet info and at least a few good townreads.

So if people agree to follow me when I say someone is town, we can avoid the obv town lynches and still get some p sweet info from the scum I checked.

btw VOTE: HWS
I want to lynch here rn, his reactions to my check were just awful

[ejjinami]

sure I'll reread somewhere over the dayphase but I couldn't update those reads right now... RIght now my reads are the same. As for Sajj I disagreed that my reads should by default be re evaluated because I was wrong on some.

Of course I am interested to know who you checked. I thought it was Creature. You seemed cautious of him on a quick iso read. But I do/did townread him.
How are you so sure this person is scum? I thought you targeted creat because you were unsure of him. How sure are you that you're not tunneling by accident? I just want to be sure. I fully believe your claim but it doesn't make you infallible.

@Ejji any sort of cop, even vanilla cop and neapolitain, give you a guilty. The scumteam could be stacked. Vig could've been restricted. You could be restricted. Any other Pr could be restricted... Seems like it's not too hard to balance I'd say? Hell, in Project Pinecone the majority of players had a PR I think.

The setup would be awful with 2 strong town investigative roles when there are only 13 players
I am not restricted

and regardless if it's a PR or not, there are 2 scums, while there could possibly, but not probably be 1 town PR.
it's 2 vs less than 1.
I really don't care about that probability

and why do you think creature is town?

[ejjinami]

itt I get lynched for being cautious
Why, Ejji?

you get lynched for not wanting to lynch my check.
Probability-vise it's stupid

[ejjinami]

Hey @Sci, @Creat, how do you feel about voting HWS with me? This is not a reaction test, btw
He is smarter than that as town and I really doubt his attitude towards my check comes from a town pov.
I want him lynched regardless if before, or after my check. What do you think about that?

[ejjinami]

lol, first

[ejjinami]

Ejji,have you played with hws before?

True was at creature

yeah, he was an IC in my 2-nd newb game here, I think. I remember seeing him in some of the games I've read, but I don't think I can give titles

But I really don't like him here
His latest posts just stink of a scum stress reaction.

He obviously knew I'm town, so he didn't bother to look at the crumb

And of course he wouldn't bother to look at the green check and remember it, if he knew about it all along
The shade felt just awful

And I really didn't like him discrediting my check right from the start. It felt like he was already preparing for having to defend either himself or his scummate.

that doesn't come from a town pov imo

I really want that lynched

[ejjinami]

Ejj just to verify you are saying that you got 'Does not have a gun' for Scioness. It's pedantry and I understand that, but it is super helpful information for ~reasons~

I also like that Creature has me listed as scum via PoE over HWS and DDL, even though I was listed as a town read yesterday. What happened to your DDL suspicions, friend?

Scioness Sajj doesn't have a gun, she is town

[ejjinami]

He obviously knew I'm town, so he didn't bother to look at the crumb

I didn't either.

What is your read on HWS

[ejjinami]

I was town reading a surprising number of the remaining player list so I'm just going to to reread the game with the flips/replacements knowledge and take notes as I go along. This has been a crazy number of replacements.

Also I misread ejj's post initially; oops. This makes more sense. I think 10 days is a bit too long to wait and doesn't leave us to potentially re-evaluate before lynch time, but 7-8 days seems reasonable, as much as I'm itching to find out. I'd be skeptical as hell if it wasn't for that crumb; brilliantly done there

how did you misread my post?
I'm not planning to torment either town or the mafia, so it's not like it haaaas to be 10 days. But you know, we'll see how it goes
and thanks xD

[ejjinami]

Bets on DDL/Creature being the last 2 scum. Maybe replace Creature with HeWhoSwims because I agree he had a weird reaction to the gunsmith claim.

Wanna vote/lynch HWS with me?

[ejjinami]

Bets on DDL/Creature being the last 2 scum. Maybe replace Creature with HeWhoSwims because I agree he had a weird reaction to the gunsmith claim.

reads on other players
please and thank you

<3

[ejjinami]

Ugh, I don’t like waiting after all, it’s such a pain
I’m not really the patient type ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I got most of the reactions I wanted though, so I might as well reveal my check.

I checked

HeWhoSwims

last night and he

does have a gun

.

[ejjinami]

Nauci

is lock clear because of that, cuz she heavily SRd both

NSG

and

Mumble

(HWS’s slot) and repeatedly tried to switch the wagon to either of them.

[ejjinami]

Fun fact, while interacting with HWS I made a few “I didn’t check you” slips, so that he thinks that the other mafia was checked. Obviously mafia would want to know who will get lynched, so they would have to be incredibly dumb not to notice all of my “slips”.

hope it's you

It's fully mutual sweetheart

What have I done wrong

you either haven't read my post or you're shading on a conf town, which one is it?

wiggle wiggle wiggle

btw, who do you think I checked?

hint, I diiiiiidn't read the last pages, so it was mostly gut. lol

My early interactions with HWS. The question and hint was supposed to make him think that I legit want him to look through my iso and guess.

I didn't want to lynch outside your check ejji

Most of my reads still stand tbh with DDL/Alch being my scumreads right now

I thought you checked someone I townread. Which is why I'm cautious.

You have 10 days. I don't care what you do, you could reevaluate your reads or completely waste all of the time you've got.
It's your choice and you'll be read for it later

And IF you think I checked the scum among your townreads, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHO IT IS? I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU.
If you find them and lynch them today, you'll get free towncreed
If you don't, I personally want you lynched later.

This is a reaaaally obvious slip. I don’t believe mafia could have missed it, cuz they should have been looking for it.

lol we're so cocky when we're like one mislynch away from MyLo with two scum left.

1 of them is confirmed and we need info

you seem to agree that people shouldn't blindly follow my check, so why are you against it?

Scum can't both go antispew, so let's torment them.

that's why I want to lynch outside of my check today.
I will do a VCA and will catch up on all of the stuff that I've missed
and I should prob get some p sweet info and at least a few good townreads.

So if people agree to follow me when I say someone is town, we can avoid the obv town lynches and still get some p sweet info from the scum I checked.

btw VOTE: HWS
I want to lynch here rn, his reactions to my check were just awful

This is nearly a direct claim that I didn’t check him.

[ejjinami]

As I said before, the posts above were supposed to make scum think that I checked the mafia other than HWS. This would make the false-checked mafia easier to read, as they would most likely either suddenly lose their motivation to play, or do everything in their might to distance from HWS.

From the 2-nd mafia’s pov, there was a red check on them, so they would get lynched soon. Making HWS live till the end was their only chance for victory.


My later posts (fe 1405) focused on pushing HWS so that the 2-nd mafia feels threatened and it’s easier to hunt for reactions.

[ejjinami]

Creature

is lock clear because of his reactions to my push on HWS and not losing his motivation after all of my "slips".

He obviously knew I'm town, so he didn't bother to look at the crumb

I didn't either.

And this ^
I think it’s really unlikely for him to have written that, when he should have believed that HWS living was his only chance for victory. Writing that about his teammate would be close to suicide in this scenario.

He obviously knew I'm town, so he didn't bother to look at the crumb

I didn't either.

What is your read on HWS

Town

but obviously it's like one of those reads I'm likely to get outtalked from.

same with that one.
Absolutely no bussing. Completely calm demeanor, willing to make reads and check stuff on his own.
Like, if that’s not town, I freaking don’t know what is.

[ejjinami]

Panhaleon

is also town for not losing motivation and being completely ignorant about HWS. He didn’t seem concerned with my check at all.
He wrote posts about other random stuff, which, considering the situation, I think is town indicative.

I dig. This is better than my weak gut feels around Nauci.

UNVOTE: Nauci

VOTE: Creature

I liked his post. Him rethinking his reads and completely ignoring me and my check is town-indicative imo.
He also seemed motivated to defend himself from sci’s weak-ish pushes, which I find both kinda townie and useless (in this situation).
That’s a weaker TR than Creat, but I’m still confident in it, especially since I had a rather solid TR on Rei.

[ejjinami]

And again, Nauci should be town because of the way she SRd NSG and mumble earlier on.

[ejjinami]

The remaining ones are:
DDL and Alchem.

[ejjinami]

I don’t have a confident TR on DDL, but Alchem’s reaction was textbook scum here and we have 2 MLes anyways.

Bets on DDL/Creature being the last 2 scum. Maybe replace Creature with HeWhoSwims because I agree he had a weird reaction to the gunsmith claim.

That’s really obvious distancing. It doesn’t mean town couldn’t have done that, but that’s EXACTLY what mafia would have done in this situation to save his last, unchecked teammate.

Bets on DDL/Creature being the last 2 scum. Maybe replace Creature with HeWhoSwims because I agree he had a weird reaction to the gunsmith claim.

Wanna vote/lynch HWS with me?

I can, though I still prefer DDL for a couple of reasons. Why do you want to lynch outside your guilty again?

Either way, I’ll help with HWS.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

And an equally bad response to my probe.

[ejjinami]

Anyways, we can lynch HWS now. I have no intention of letting him live through the day
And I DEFINITELY want to lynch alchem tomorrow. If it doesn’t work, DDL goes next, but I really doubt I would be wrong here. The reactions were really, really clear imo.

[ejjinami]

ok, if you think claiming would be helpful, don't hesitate to do it

I already claimed

[ejjinami]

maybe it would be good to make the protective role (if we've got one) claim VT
but it's up to discussion

[ejjinami]

sci should claim last because she's confirmed town.

[ejjinami]

(ugh, same should go for nauci imo, becuase I have a really strong TR on her)
(but I don't really care about the rest)

[ejjinami]

ok

[ejjinami]

(((o(ﾟ▽ﾟ)o)))

[ejjinami]

btw, there could still be a maf-cop-immune role
and there most definitely is a RBer.

and that's just my personal read, but the possibility of a cop-immune role doesn't make sci any less town for me

[ejjinami]

or am I just dumb...?

w/e
my lynch list remains the same

[ejjinami]

and I want HWS lynched today regardless of his claim

my reads on him were a bit exaggerated, but I do SR him for his reaction to my check. Still think it was just awful

[ejjinami]

btw, there could still be a maf-cop-immune role
and there most definitely is a RBer.

and that's just my personal read, but the possibility of a cop-immune role doesn't make sci any less town for me

creature is immune to everything
but dying

why rb over a scum cop?

because there was a vig and a powerful investigative role (gs)
it only makes sense for mafia to have a RBer here

I mean, a cop would still work, but a RBer would be better imo
dunno, actually, now that I look at the claims, I'm not as confident in that logic after all

[ejjinami]

has everybody but me claimed?

HWS is the last one... I think

[ejjinami]

Hey @DDS, who do you think is scum?
place 2 bets

likely HWS will just lolcat the rest of the day.

true, lol

[ejjinami]

Okay guys we gotta luck for second scum.

But gotta lynch hws

^

I'm already voting
and honestly i'd like to hear a claim from him. I'll most prob want to lynch him anyways, but him doing that cant actually hurt anyone
so I don't really see why not

[ejjinami]

Lucky me! The bull already started shitting and I’ve got such a great view on it!
Mmmmm (¯︶¯)
Feels good

There’s no freaking way there were 3 town investigative roles at the start of the game. There’s at least 1 scum among me/HWS/DDL, regardless of my check.

[ejjinami]

And HWS’s claim is crap imo.
I’ve looked through his iso and there’s absolutely nothing worthy about NSG there.
He was actively pushing BBT and commenting on the stuff that was going on, but didn’t really care to bring attention to his “neap-check”.
IF HWS really was a neap, he’d surely be interested in getting to know whatever if his check on NSG meant “mafia” or “PR”.

All of the stuff about NSG and Tora, I could find in his iso

Spoiler:

Similarly Rei seems good at this point, not afraid to cast opinions early on and pressure nsg who can pretty much be a town here if she is town (I feel)
--------
I wouldn’t call myself bad at meta but it seems a good call to keep an eye out for nsg when inactive.
--------
If you want a 5 tier reads list right now I'd say

[Creature, Nauci, Rei]
[Tchill?]
[Alch, ejji, nsg]
[Doc]
[BBT, Sci]

yeah I checked NSG's ISO before replacing in and, never seeing her scum game before but also never seeing her lurk this hard as town I was guessing this would be a red role PM. turns out I'm town which works great for me cause wolfing is... painful

I'm going out in a bit so I can't read the thread rn

This comes across as very LAMIST to me as others have said. Why the need to put yourself forward as town?

what is up sajj

all good, but it's a shame you have got yourself a scum slot.

the irony

Absolutely no attempts to crumb.
And the catchup would have been a perfect place to do that.


I find this really unlikely to come from neap!HWS.
I’m really sure neap!HWS would have known that he has to crumb, so that people can find his check after his death.

Ironically, in the game I played with him previously, there was also a Neap fake-claim from mafia.

town!HWS scumread the slot mainly because “the slot didn’t crumb d1”.
Lemme quote some of his posts from back then.

For those who believe Red is the Neapolitain, why would he wait until D2, until after a flip that can give Mafia security over what setup is being used, to crumb? And not do it literally anywhere on Day 1?

Town benefit of doing that - zero, your credibility goes down.
Scum benefit - You can say you have crumbed something when you claim, and you know for certain you can pull off this fakeclaim due to the setup info you have.

Yeah, the crumb is just awfully convenient you know. If you'd crumbed D1, sure I'd have believed you. But now you could just be scum who knows he can fakeclaim. And why would scum ever pass up this opportunity if they can do it relatively free of worry?

^To add to that I've in the past crumbed Neapolitain in my first few posts of the game then claimed D3.. it's not impossible.

Town!Red could have left a crumb literally anywhere on D1 and I'd believe him near instantly.

I find it REAAAALLY unlikely that town!HWS would have completely ignored hinting to his check right now, with that kind of attitude towards crumbing.
In my previous game he was obviously aware that neap should claim and he even said that he should have done that

immediately after starting the game

, not only after getting his check.

So I feel him claiming Neap right now, when he didn’t even try crumbing AFTER HE GOT THE CHECK is an obvious lie
With that attitude towards crumbing, I see no scenario where town!HWS wouldn’t have at least tried to hint at it
All of what he said today feels like absolute bullshit to me

[ejjinami]

Ascetic sounds like a role more often given to scum

and yeah, actually, his role makes my reaction test completely useless :/
of course he'd know that I couldn't have checked him, becuase he can't even be targeted…
So his reactions to my claim don't count as valid anymore
I'll have to reread him later

[ejjinami]

Also in our Neighborhood Krazy told me his slot attempted to shoot Scioness's slot Night One. Since the closest thing we have to a Doctor claim did not claim to have protected Scioness, this suggests that the scum team has a Roleblocker. The assistance of a scum roleblocker to me suggests the Ascetic is probably town. Roleblocker + Ascetic on the scum team feels like a weird pairing.

So there is a RB-er in the game.

Note for the future:

Creat's Ascetic claim is most probably true regardless if he's town or mafia.
If he's mafia, he most probably doesn't have any other abiliies than the "ascetic" one.

If HWS flips a non-RBer maf role

, it would mean the remaining mafia has to be the RBer.
And that would clear Creature imo, because I find it really unlikely that he'd be an ascetic and a RBer at the same time

[ejjinami]

IF HWS DOES flip RB-er, I suggest that DDL heals me, so that mafia is unable to kill me at night.
That should get me another check and if I die, it would mean that DDL has to be the remaining mafia

[ejjinami]

Hot take:
both of them are scum

but disagree with that one, HWS is obviously the worse one

[ejjinami]

Corrected reads:

[

Pantheleon, Sci, Nauci

]
[

...

]
[

Creature/Alchem

]
[

DDL

]
[

HWS

]

[ejjinami]

Hot take:
both of them are scum

but disagree with that one, HWS is obviously the worse one

That’s what I was telling you before.

┐(￣ヘ￣)┌

[ejjinami]

Lol ok I forgive you because that face is hilarious.

（´υ｀）

[ejjinami]

Yeah I don't really believe the claim from DDL, but if it's true, then he should doc you. We can worry about who to take out next tomorrow then.

HWS if you are town, who is scum? Which claim is the lie since 3 investigative roles certainly seems excessive

actually, 4 cuz you also got a green check.

[ejjinami]

im paranoid about ejj scum. that's why im only voting him or his guilty.

Place your vote where you want to lynch

[ejjinami]

N2 - HWS (gun owner)

is that where the investigation went?

what investigation?
If you’re talking about my reaction test, it was a failure
It still helped me to get a read on pant, but their claim is a better way to read them imo

[ejjinami]

still
it lasted like…… a few hours
it wasn't even a full day, so lol


now that I think of it, it's pathetic...

[ejjinami]

VOTE: ejj

spicy
now elaborate on the vote please
and comment on my latest read on HWS while you're at it

[ejjinami]

actually, I was thinking of checking nauci anyways
but yeah. it's a good idea imo

[ejjinami]

actually, I was thinking of checking nauci anyways
but yeah. it's a good idea imo

Do you believe DDL that he both has 1s doc?

Right now, not really…?
But I don’t think it matters

There is a RB-er in the game and if he isn’t lynched today, nothing can stop my death anyways.
And if the RB-er gets lynched and I die at night, you should absolutely lynch DDL, because I heavily doubt there would be 2 maf RB-ers in the game.
So unless mafia!DDL is suicidal, fake-claiming having a doc-action would work exactly as actually having one.
I think.
I went over it several times, but tbh I don’t really see a difference

And

@Mod

, if mafia have any abilities other than the factional kill, would they be able to make one person use the ability and perform the kill at the same time?

[ejjinami]

so it's different than in newb games
hey, cool
then I'll live anyways

[ejjinami]

That all seems reasonable to me. I'm happy to vote HWS one we're ready for the day to end.

not until PP answers the question about killing.
and tbh I'd like to talk with DDL a bit more, but it's not that important
so yeah

[ejjinami]

VOTE: ejj

spicy
now elaborate on the vote please
and comment on my latest read on HWS while you're at it

bump

[ejjinami]

tbh I think scum are all among the investigative claimers {DDL, ejji, HWS}

there's still Pant, but tbh I find it really hard to believe that they'd be scum

so I don't really care what DDL does in case of a town flip.
I mean, from his pov it wouldn't make any sense to heal me anyways, so he can even self heal if he wants to.
I'll be either blocked or kiled anyways, so it doesn't really matter.

[ejjinami]

and I'm not following

[ejjinami]

waht? I never said that my guilty on HWS was a reaction test
Me waiting with revealing my check was a reaction test, you're either getting it wrong or idek what you're talking about

[ejjinami]

so my issue is that hws is town, you do your investigation tommorow, and we follow your scum claim (say you found one) and it's game. awfully convienient, isnt it.

Hey, I was writing an answer to that one, but if you actually think I’m scum, how about you just push me instead?
If you think HWS is gonna flip town and we should lynch me first, then make a case and we’ll discuss it.

The scenario you wrote is just shade.

even if hws is scum, say you are bussing your partner to shit, clear a town tomorrow, and ride your conftown mobile straight to a scum win

Again, don’t shade me
If you want to lynch me, make a case on me
And if you think we’re scummates, nothing changes. Elaborate on your read and let’s discuss it

VOTE: ejj

spicy
now elaborate on the vote please
and comment on my latest read on HWS while you're at it

bump

not avoiding the second line either. I like your case on HWS. I'm also willing to vote for HWS today. BUT Im not OK at how fast this push is, and the fact that we haven't discussed what happens if HWS flips town.

If it’s about the night actions, do whatever you want. You’ll be conf scum from my pov and I’ll be from yours, so I really don’t care about what action you want to claim rn
And if it’s about whom to lynch next, then this is obviously not the time to talk about that


So what’s the point?
Why don’t you like the fast push?
If you have any suggestions on what to do after a flip, don’t just say that “you don’t like how fast it’s going”, but just post them and continue the conversation

Seriously, I see absolutely no sense in it
it feels like you’re just trying to do whatever comes to your mind, just to avoid the lynch

[ejjinami]

I really am not. I think HWS is scum more than ejj and I don't have a case on you. All I want to say is that you (ejj-scum) is not outside the realm of possibility, by giving these two examples.
Before heading into the night on a HWS lynch, I want to understand how we should proceed depending on his flip. In particular (WIFOM aside), is ejj still conf town? Am I supposed to still doc him?

You say that if HWS flips town, I'm conf scum to you. Why is that? I also don't see why you're conf-scum to me. That's why I want to talk about it, is it too much to ask?

If you say that you think HWS is more likely scum than I, you liked my case on him and don't don't have a case on me, then I'd really like you to elaborate on your vote.

And again, I don't care what you do if HWS flips town.
There would be 2 mafia remaining and they would still have the RB-er, so there's absolutely nothing that stops you from lying about being RB-ed. If you want to discuss it, feel free, but I really don't care about that

and you'd be close to conf scum from my pov because I find it reaaaaally hard to believe there'd be so many investigative roles in the game. We went over it several times already and it would work exactly the same from your pov.

but again, I think it's really unlikely for HWS to flip town

[ejjinami]

@Mod, HWS should be prodded.

[ejjinami]

he didn't post much in his other games either
but I wouldn't be too surprised if that was right

[ejjinami]

can we end the day already?

I don't actually mind it rn

reminder that if HWS flips scum, DDL should heal me

[ejjinami]

VOTE COUNT 3.4

HeWhoSwims

(3): ejjinami, Alchemist21, Scioness Sajj

ejjinami

(1): DrDolittle

Not Voting

(4): Creature, HeWhoSwims, panthaleon, Nauci

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-09-12 11:15:00)

last VC.
there were no votes since then

[ejjinami]

(((o(ﾟ▽ﾟ)o)))

[ejjinami]

There's something morbid about people being happy about hanging me... :P

there's sth morbid about you trying to write anything at all about the people wanting to lynch you.
c'mon, (((o(ﾟ▽ﾟ)o)))

[ejjinami]

Nauci does not have a gun.

[ejjinami]

Really? I guess I wasn't reading close enough to see anyone suspect alch

I pegged him as hella town early day 1 and haven't wavered since

In fact he was so town that it was why I doubted DDL's claim of checking on an obvious slot, but the NK choice seems to lend him credibility

no, it doesn't. Alch would be conf town rn even if the check was a lie, I don't see how would the kill matter in this situation
and Alch was heavily susping DDL at EoD, so that was a really great kill for him

DDL's flip-flopping on HWS yesterday was terrible imo
and I still stand by the point that an immune role with a RB ability is unlikely

we have 2-MLes left, so I'd like to lynch DDL today
if he flips town, then I'd prob have to reread everyone else, but I'm kinda confident in that read tbh

[ejjinami]

Nauci does not have a gun.

That's a bit odd if you think scum has a roleblocker, no?

And @Mod, if mafia have any abilities other than the factional kill, would they be able to make one person use the ability and perform the kill at the same time?

Per the Normal Rule changes: "Mafia, by default, may no longer kill and use an ability in the same night. Previously, the mod would have to specify this. The multitasking modifier has been added to keep this option open, without adding an extra often-meaningless step of forcing mods to specify whether or not mafia may kill and act in the same night."

tbh I don't really get everything that's written above, but I'm taking this as mafia being unable to use 2 abilities at once

[ejjinami]

Nauci does not have a gun.

That's a bit odd if you think scum has a roleblocker, no?

And @Mod, if mafia have any abilities other than the factional kill, would they be able to make one person use the ability and perform the kill at the same time?

Per the Normal Rule changes: "Mafia, by default, may no longer kill and use an ability in the same night. Previously, the mod would have to specify this. The multitasking modifier has been added to keep this option open, without adding an extra often-meaningless step of forcing mods to specify whether or not mafia may kill and act in the same night."

tbh I don't really get everything that's written above, but I'm taking this as mafia being unable to use 2 abilities at once

well, if they were, I'd either have gotte killed, or blocked
so that's it