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Oh hey I didn't saw Penguin's post and have been waiting to post for like 20 minutes
Anyway! I already sent Jackal a PM to replace Tchill but Krazy was earlier to message PP therefore he replaces Tchill (I guess) and I agreed with PP to replace Mumble.
I wrote my thoughts down on the go while reading up on the game, but did this while thinking I was replacing Tchill so there's nothing on him in there. Gotta do that later, however, while reading up there was nothing that made me go "I'm almost ashamed to [possibly] replace this slot".
I took out my comments on Mumble for clearness' sake but I was slightly leaning scum if it matters.-
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Monday, so you'd have been earlier anywayIn post 983, Krazy wrote:
REKTIn post 981, HeWhoSwims wrote:Anyway! I already sent Jackal a PM to replace Tchill but Krazy was earlier to message PP therefore he replaces Tchill (I guess) and I agreed with PP to replace Mumble.
My /in to Jackal was Sunday when was yours? LOL-
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It's mostly that the other 3 bothered me enough more than her to put her a tier above that. But looking back now the inactivity is worse than I thought (I didn't notice that while catching up, that happened over 36 hours). And I'm just semi hoping she towns up since she can be pretty good as town yo.
Yes this catchup was written before I had a role PM.-
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The short version is that there are many comments, but little reads or progression from that. Satisfying?
@Alch - I'm yet to do any VCA or joint ISO reading. Separately, yeah, sure they can be a scumteam (with a 3rd I think of course). I'd be fine lynching either I think (not now as we have a day ahead of us). If you were planning to ask me about their interactions, I'mma have to ask you to be patient for a little bit.-
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In post 993, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Interesting that every (?) replacement is scum reading me. If you're town, you need to evaluate the game-state and realise what is happening.
I'm being pushed for a reason. Ask yourself, why?
Basically it either reads as weak defense or a tad LAMIST: Oh no, poor me! I'm just a townie but everything is against me!In post 888, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Looks like I'm going to have to effort this game seems as people don't seem to want to lynch scum.
Don't see how it's townie.
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So we had 4 wagons yesterday which went to/above 3 voters on them: Nauci, Mumble/Me, Kop, Tchill
I think the Mumble and Kop wagons were the most "accessible" so to say, which is to say that they were scumread by bigger portions of the game than Nauci/Tchill I feel.
I think there could perfectly be scum in the early parts of either wagon, sooner than in the later part. Being early looks less like following along and more like making a case; a logical one I would agree, I'd have voted Kop too. Pushing near the end wasn't really needed, either, I kinda feel like town would've hammered either wagon by themselves (had Kop for some reason not been lynched).
Gun to my head I'd say there's 1 scum early on the wagon, 1 off of it and the third... great question.
Thoughts are very welcome because I'm very very afraid doing VCA like this isn't really my thing but hey, I get a gold star for trying.
For whoever asked about a BBT/DDL team, it would kinda fit with the former being early on the wagon and the other being off it.-
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What do you mean? Do you think there's 1 scum in that list Krazy asked you about?In post 1014, Scioness Sajj wrote:the scum in three stuff is possibility. don't udnerstand why is bbt so against it if in fact he isn't scum with ddl
Um of course I thought Rei did that, but I'll read that back soonish.In post 1020, Scioness Sajj wrote:
watIn post 988, HeWhoSwims wrote:
Similarly Rei seems good at this point, not afraid to cast opinions early on and pressure nsg who can pretty much be a town here if she is town (I feel)
Rei hasn't done any of those things on the first 10 pages. she only mentioned nsg once and i'd call it soft defending if i'd to call it anything
what do you mean by can be town if she is town?
I meant to say "town hero" instead of "town here"
Ya he was but I must've looked over it when I started.In post 1022, Scioness Sajj wrote:
why did you include a read on irre? wasn't he flipped already when you were reading?In post 981, HeWhoSwims wrote: I wrote my thoughts down on the go while reading up on the game, but did this while thinking I was replacing Tchill so there's nothing on him in there. Gotta do that later, however, while reading up there was nothing that made me go "I'm almost ashamed to [possibly] replace this slot".-
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This comes across as very LAMIST to me as others have said. Why the need to put yourself forward as town?In post 1078, Toranaga wrote:yeah I checked NSG's ISO before replacing in and, never seeing her scum game before but also never seeing her lurk this hard as town I was guessing this would be a red role PM. turns out I'm town which works great for me cause wolfing is... painful
I'm going out in a bit so I can't read the thread rn
Can I get that of the next person to replace out? I want one nowIn post 1091, Alchemist21 wrote:Everyone who started this game and doesn’t get replaced is getting a T-shirt at the end.
Nauci was trying to say someone played on an alt account named Bernie Sanders. The character Bernie Sanders himself wasn't a role in the game. Obviously.In post 1097, Krazy wrote:But why would Bernie Sanders be in American Presidents Mafia
I can vote him too, I guess? It's just that I have bigger scumreads and that nothing about DDL reallyIn post 1099, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Why don't you actually vote DDL then?In post 1088, Toranaga wrote:IDK anything and I'm just suggesting but that drdolittle ISO is an absolute garbage fire and deserves death
If you and Creature vote him, we can actually form a wagon and start getting somewhere.screams"Scum" at me atm.
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all good, but it's a shame you have got yourself a scum slot.In post 1114, Toranaga wrote:what is up sajjthe irony
I pretty much agree with all of this except the last part. Why would more than 1 scum wait for momentum? If scum wants other votes around them on a wagon to share the blame, so to say, why wouldn't they go on together? They can share the blame evenly (if that makes sense) plus it's auto-distancing. Plus even if they wanted more momentum wouldn't starting up a wagon get that momentum faster than just waiting for it while expressing suspicion?In post 1139, DrDolittle wrote:BBT: his votes all of yesterday were very opportunistic on Nauci and on Kop. His reason on Nauci was that a post read fluff and 'safe', ignoring the fact that Nauci has been one of the leading posters and putting in effort at 163 (other than the weird 81 post praising irrel). The reason seems fake as hell, and more like an excuse to push to a lynch (Nauci was at L-3 and BBT was the 4th piling vote) Then, BBT switches to Kop as sees that wagon gaining momentum - and doesn't fully commit to Kop " If we could, I would lynch TChill or DDL over Kop." as if he knows kop will flip town, meanwhile setting up a lynch on me and tchill and potentially irre.
This is a huge misrep. You can read my day 1 -it’s public. I did have no other strong reads, and after tunneling irrelephant all day. Anything I say today would be consistent since there was nothing to map to.In post 951, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, the whole lack of progression on reads thing because he was tunneling D1 doesn't set off any red flags for you?
Like, he completely avoids having to be consistent with his reads or reevaluate his play by simply stating that he was so focused on Irrelphant D1 that he literally had NOTHING ELSE to contribute to the gamestate so had to 'reset'.
Come on. Who is buying that?
Creature, Alch, please comment on this.
The nightkill was on an active towny but irre didn’t directly threaten anyone is confusing. I think what happened is that scum!BBT was setting up to strongarm a lynch today, by specifically get rid of my single scum read so that I would be confused in the beginning of the day, and he can set up a string of attack.In post 945, Nauci wrote:@DDL As I stated above, please do a reasonably detailed write up of how the irrelephant flip and other info has influenced your re-evaluations of everyone
As Tchill said
This is very much looks to me like a lynch-plan based NK.ML DDL, Lynch LALendra, ML me.. 3 other town nk'd. so thats 5 townies BBT would have taken out right there.
Also can you guys comment on BBT asking other people to provide scum reasonings of me rather than advancing them himself until much much later
BecauseIn post 952, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:His 'reasons' for scum reading me can also be applied to Alchemist, Mumble, TChill and Lalendra.
So, I'd very much like to know why I'm so special and how he has identified that I am scum over any one of those.
1- Confirmation bias. I know I’m town and that you are pushing me
2- Your movement onto Kop was strictly a momentum move. You were playing both hands trying to maneuver your way onto an easy lynch.
3- LJL at you thinking my reason applys to these other guys. TChill was very explicit about why he was voting, and even if sometimes it wasn’t for the best reason. Mumble and Lalendra didn’t nearly have the opportunistic voting and intent to vote patterns. Alch I think is town – in particular #555 is a town interaction to town!irrelephant flip. You are the only one who’s votes have been opportunistic as fuck.
If every replacement is scumreading you, after they independently perused the game, then maybe I don’t know you are scummy, and needs to be lynched.In post 993, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Interesting that every (?) replacement is scum reading me. If you're town, you need to evaluate the game-state and realise what is happening.
I'm being pushed for a reason. Ask yourself, why?
But I’m glad that you are dragging me into the spotlight. This also drags yourself into the spotlight.
This is what makes me think my wagon/potential wagon is scum heavy. There’s a lot of me-scum being thrown around, but there's hesitation of getting on my wagon. It seems like other scum partners might be looking for more momentum before hopping on.In post 1108, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is that now 3 people scum reading DDL but not voting him?-
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RIPIn post 1144, Scioness Sajj wrote:
where is youIn post 967, ejjinami wrote:I have an appointment in an hour, but I’ll be back after that finishes.
come back please
In post 1156, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I read your 795 as I called it a bad post. I couldn't know it was a bad post if I hadn't read it.
What a pointless question.
Again these both read AtE-ish to me. Or at least they follow really wacky progression imo.In post 1159, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You see when someone pushes something like DDL just tried to push on me?
It shows they're desperate. Town don't do this, scum do this when they're trying too hard to justify a read.
"That's a bad question. You are scum" (I know you didn't say this - but you are criticising DDL and I feel like you at least implied that DDL is being scummy in this)
"That is a stupid action. Town, never do that. If you actually think DDL is right in this, you must be scum too".-
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I do this...
I'm just a hesitant voter. But I kinda understand people's point whenever I get crap for it. As long as reads are being given actively though I don't mind it in others.-
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It's not about copying reads. I feel I've put mine forward enough. Such as my still existing scumread of Sajj, although she's gotten a bit better. I just want to see people develop reads from commenting on stuff that happens, instead of just commenting on said stuff to look busy and engaged while not committing to any read or stance, if that makes sense.
I don't have a set limit for how little is too little, I guess? I just find it too little or enough. It'd be hard to calculate how many percent of someone's posting is dedicated to exactly this...-
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In post 1268, Scioness Sajj wrote:hws seems uncomfortable
I think the self hammering is pretty... meh.. regardless of alignment but eh. Nothing to do about it now.-
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sure I'll reread somewhere over the dayphase but I couldn't update those reads right now... RIght now my reads are the same. As for Sajj I disagreed that my reads should by default be re evaluated because I was wrong on some.
Of course I am interested to know who you checked. I thought it was Creature. You seemed cautious of him on a quick iso read. But I do/did townread him.
How are you so sure this person is scum? I thought you targeted creat because you were unsure of him. How sure are you that you're not tunneling by accident? I just want to be sure. I fully believe your claim but it doesn't make you infallible.
@Ejji any sort of cop, even vanilla cop and neapolitain, give you a guilty. The scumteam could be stacked. Vig could've been restricted. You could be restricted. Any other Pr could be restricted... Seems like it's not too hard to balance I'd say? Hell, in Project Pinecone the majority of players had a PR I think.-
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Inbetween the low content posts I thought he was putting forward reads and I vibed with his reads tbh
And again Idowant to lynch your check today if they're scum, I just didn't think that was the case, assuming that the check was Creature - I was reasoning from that POV. If the majority consensus is check = scum then we should lynch them today imo, I wouldn't see why not.-
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Not specifically? I wanted to discuss that possibliity. And see what others think. Because I don't believe gun = guilty necessarily. I believe the claim, the crumb looks solid.In post 1386, Creature wrote:
Wait, you discredit the check just because you thought I was the check?In post 1379, HeWhoSwims wrote:Of course I am interested to know who you checked. I thought it was Creature. You seemed cautious of him on a quick iso read. But I do/did townread him. How are you so sure this person is scum? I thought you targeted creat because you were unsure of him. How sure are you that you're not tunneling by accident? I just want to be sure. I fully believe your claim but it doesn't make you infallible.
When you say I'm smarter as town ejji does that imply you think I'm being half stupid by not laying down and just sheeping your claim?-
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Oh. That was the hammer. Well. I'm scum... Ya got me! Crap. Anyway! Good luck to both parties (but more luck to my partner!)
Sorry if I came across as a dick to anyone, wasn't trying to, I had a good time here!
And the above comment is really true. Didn't have too much incentive to dig my own grave further here but I was feeling like a mess in general.-
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