Mini Normal 2024 - Endgame

[Scioness Sajj]

sooo?

[Alchemist21]

A Gunsmith, a Neapolitan, and a Cop walk into a bar...

[Alchemist21]

Oh we are all claiming? I'm JOAT, cop, doc, track kills only. I copped alch day 1 and got town. I tracked creafure day 2 and got no result.

Can you go into a bit of detail on why you chose them?

I want the answer to this as well.

[Nauci]

Ascetic sounds like a role more often given to scum

[Nauci]

Scum ascetic sounds like a reasonable balance to vig/investigative, IMO

[Nauci]

hope it's you

It's fully mutual

sweetheart

What have I done wrong

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[DrDolittle]

Oh we are all claiming? I'm JOAT, cop, doc, track kills only. I copped alch day 1 and got town. I tracked creafure day 2 and got no result.

Can you go into a bit of detail on why you chose them?

Not avoiding this. I'll get to it

I want the answer to this as well.

[panthaleon]

Hey we have have just about all the claims go us:

Creature - Ascetic
HeWhoSwims - Neapoliton
Alchemist21 - Vanilla
Nauci - Vanilla
ejjinami - Gunsmith
Scioness Sajj - Vanilla
DrDolittle - Jack of All Trades
panthaleon - Informed Neighborizer

Kop - Vanilla Townie

Irrelephant11 - Vanilla Townie

BlueBloodedToffee - Vanilla Townie

Toranaga - Mafia Goon

Krazy - Vigilante

Now HWS's claim of Neapolitan is probably a lie because generally that role should only be able to say 'Vanilla' or 'Non Vanilla.' The NSG/Toranaga slot was a Vanilla Goon. I also really believe in town-Ejj, so I think that confirms him and Scioness. As scummy as Nauci feels, I am getting the feeling that I was wrong and that the VT claim is legit. I also think that Gunsmith + JOAT is kinda a weird duo, especially since I got a free confirmed town player from the start of the game.

Also in our Neighborhood Krazy told me his slot attempted to shoot Scioness's slot Night One. Since the closest thing we have to a Doctor claim did not claim to have protected Scioness, this suggests that the scum team has a Roleblocker. The assistance of a scum roleblocker to me suggests the Ascetic is probably town. Roleblocker + Ascetic on the scum team feels like a weird pairing.

At this point I am willing to entertain the possibility of the scum team being HWS and one of Alchemist or DDL. Anyone spot any glaring issues with my logic?

[panthaleon]

Also yeah DDL an explanation into why you made those choices would be super neat. I think the rest of us have kinda given our rationales at this point.

[Alchemist21]

^Neapolitan specifically checks for VT, not any Vanilla role.

[panthaleon]

Oh huh so it does. I'm low-key bad at this game

[Alchemist21]

I mean he’s probably still lying because he had to come up with something that sounded Town and explained a Gunsmith guilty, and his only claimed result is on dead scum.

[DrDolittle]

sorry I quoted badly. I meant to say I'll get back to you on why I chose alch and creature. I'm on a family trip with a little limited access

but the tldr is alch is a strong player, and was being pretty neutral/polarizingly read. I was nervous that he was scum and could potentially taking over the game to strongarm lynches, so i wanted to make sure that day 2 comes i can trust his reads from town perspective.

on night 2, I just thought creature was potentially scum (see post 1226), but also that if he were scum, I think it is likely they would send him to do the kill as other people generally town-read him (compared to ejj and nsg my other two scum reads)

[Nauci]

Mod can't answer whether or not Neapolitan would have a gun

I was Neapolitan in my last game and no mention of guns there; in fact I've never seen mention of neapolitans with guns because they're not cops. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nauci]

sorry I quoted badly. I meant to say I'll get back to you on why I chose alch and creature. I'm on a family trip with a little limited access

but the tldr is alch is a strong player, and was being pretty neutral/polarizingly read. I was nervous that he was scum and could potentially taking over the game to strongarm lynches, so i wanted to make sure that day 2 comes i can trust his reads from town perspective.

on night 2, I just thought creature was potentially scum (see post 1226), but also that if he were scum, I think it is likely they would send him to do the kill as other people generally town-read him (compared to ejj and nsg my other two scum reads)

You think people were scum reading ejj?

[Nauci]

I mean he’s probably still lying because he had to come up with something that sounded Town and explained a Gunsmith guilty, and his only claimed result is on dead scum.

One check on dead scum and one on an ascetic is a lulz claim

[Nauci]

Ddl if you're telling the truth, would that mean you'll spend the 1 shot doc on our strongest TPR, ejj, tonight?

[Nauci]

I'm willing to bet dollars that scum have a rolecop who checked Tchill night 1 and therefore shot there night 2. And creature is a scum ascetic unless one of the other claims (besides he's) is lying. Or scioness is an unrecruited traitor? Seems far-fetched.

HWS what was your reasoning for checking those 2?

[Scioness Sajj]

Panthaleon how does informed neighbourizer work?

Tchill shooting Lalendra makes sense. Why didnt It go Through though.

[Scioness Sajj]

Uh oh accidently submitted, sorry

I wont have Time towrite everythimg i want today. If you could wait till sunday that would be awesome

Sorry for the spelling, this is not a coded Message i jest replacement Phone is awful

[panthaleon]

It's a mix of two roles. I was told that Krazy's slot was town and that he was not vanilla. Then each night I can recruit someone to the neighborhood.

My assumption for it not going through would be a roleblocker of some sort. It's difficult to tell for sure though, however I think it's also confirmed that you were not protected by anyone. There's no way there's a doctor and a JOAT with the doctor ability.

[HeWhoSwims]

Nauci, I didn't check anyone myself. I thought I was in a good enough spot to last through day 3 and night 3 and then out 2 results.

Gunsmith got expanded to have more yes-gun-results with the new normal guideline changes, Neap is now also a "guilty"

[Alchemist21]

Mod can't answer whether or not Neapolitan would have a gun

Really? That’s odd considering it’s a Normal. I know I checked the wiki and it said Cops have guns and it extended to several variants. Neap wasn’t mentioned specifically but I figured it was included since it’s an offshoot of Vanilla Cop.

[ejjinami]

Lucky me! The bull already started shitting and I’ve got such a great view on it!
Mmmmm (¯︶¯)
Feels good

There’s no freaking way there were 3 town investigative roles at the start of the game. There’s at least 1 scum among me/HWS/DDL, regardless of my check.

[ejjinami]

And HWS’s claim is crap imo.
I’ve looked through his iso and there’s absolutely nothing worthy about NSG there.
He was actively pushing BBT and commenting on the stuff that was going on, but didn’t really care to bring attention to his “neap-check”.
IF HWS really was a neap, he’d surely be interested in getting to know whatever if his check on NSG meant “mafia” or “PR”.

All of the stuff about NSG and Tora, I could find in his iso

Spoiler:

Similarly Rei seems good at this point, not afraid to cast opinions early on and pressure nsg who can pretty much be a town here if she is town (I feel)
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I wouldn’t call myself bad at meta but it seems a good call to keep an eye out for nsg when inactive.
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If you want a 5 tier reads list right now I'd say

[Creature, Nauci, Rei]
[Tchill?]
[Alch, ejji, nsg]
[Doc]
[BBT, Sci]

yeah I checked NSG's ISO before replacing in and, never seeing her scum game before but also never seeing her lurk this hard as town I was guessing this would be a red role PM. turns out I'm town which works great for me cause wolfing is... painful

I'm going out in a bit so I can't read the thread rn

This comes across as very LAMIST to me as others have said. Why the need to put yourself forward as town?

what is up sajj

all good, but it's a shame you have got yourself a scum slot.

the irony

Absolutely no attempts to crumb.
And the catchup would have been a perfect place to do that.


I find this really unlikely to come from neap!HWS.
I’m really sure neap!HWS would have known that he has to crumb, so that people can find his check after his death.

Ironically, in the game I played with him previously, there was also a Neap fake-claim from mafia.

town!HWS scumread the slot mainly because “the slot didn’t crumb d1”.
Lemme quote some of his posts from back then.

For those who believe Red is the Neapolitain, why would he wait until D2, until after a flip that can give Mafia security over what setup is being used, to crumb? And not do it literally anywhere on Day 1?

Town benefit of doing that - zero, your credibility goes down.
Scum benefit - You can say you have crumbed something when you claim, and you know for certain you can pull off this fakeclaim due to the setup info you have.

Yeah, the crumb is just awfully convenient you know. If you'd crumbed D1, sure I'd have believed you. But now you could just be scum who knows he can fakeclaim. And why would scum ever pass up this opportunity if they can do it relatively free of worry?

^To add to that I've in the past crumbed Neapolitain in my first few posts of the game then claimed D3.. it's not impossible.

Town!Red could have left a crumb literally anywhere on D1 and I'd believe him near instantly.

I find it REAAAALLY unlikely that town!HWS would have completely ignored hinting to his check right now, with that kind of attitude towards crumbing.
In my previous game he was obviously aware that neap should claim and he even said that he should have done that

immediately after starting the game

, not only after getting his check.

So I feel him claiming Neap right now, when he didn’t even try crumbing AFTER HE GOT THE CHECK is an obvious lie
With that attitude towards crumbing, I see no scenario where town!HWS wouldn’t have at least tried to hint at it
All of what he said today feels like absolute bullshit to me