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[skitter30]

I don't think that one is? He can tell me whether it is, he should know which game I'm talking about. I'm going to drop a name from the game, he should be able to locate it with that.

I know the game but I;m not sure I want to check back, Anyway, I am "AP" and

I am "Judge Joseph Dredd" (I believe the latter is the one in question?)

P.S. I used "latter" correctly!

wait this is you ???

ok i retract being perfect at reading a50 because i played with him as jjd in a game and he was kinda moonlogic-y ate-y and i townread him for it but ultimately lynched him anyways because it was about to be a deadline and there wasn't a possibility of another lynch happening; he flipped scum

idk how i would have read him if i knew it was a50

huh i skimmed his iso there - the writing style is kinda similar but the tone was completely different; i don't think i would have ever put the two together

[Vex Vience]

no godfather mod for scum to take

goon cop only gets guilties on mafia goons

yea, i just figured that out
im dumb

I don't think that one is? He can tell me whether it is, he should know which game I'm talking about. I'm going to drop a name from the game, he should be able to locate it with that.

I know the game but I;m not sure I want to check back, Anyway, I am "AP" and I am "Judge Joseph Dredd" (I believe the latter is the one in question?)

P.S. I used "latter" correctly!

gj

Because you took BP.

GOOD EXPLANATION! BP indeed is unaffected by all TPRs except the Tracker. Well done!

So, with the knowledge that I'm indeed the BP Mafioso, how about you reread my ISO and find my teammates. I gave you a big head start and you should be thanking me for it.

im not sure if i believe this or not, but at any rate, i feel like this is a throw

no godfather mod for scum to take

if a goon has any sort of mod (like bulletproof or joat or anything) they're no longer a goon and return 'not goon' to the goon cop

unrecruited traitor also returns 'not goon' iirc

just realized that, and yea, unrecruited traitor would return 'not goon'.

why is town!you trying to bait vig shot as well?

I think I'll take the 5th on this one.



Somebody get this guy a copy of the Bill of Rights

VOTE: A50

if anyone wants to convince me a50 is not scum, be my guest.
coupling this with the case im making on him, i'm 99.9% sure a50 is scum

[skitter30]

Also we should be voting on the vig shot and like you could reasonably predict that I'm going to yell at everyone at some point today until it happens

why haven't you pushed for this yet if you think this is a thing we ought to do?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think that one is? He can tell me whether it is, he should know which game I'm talking about. I'm going to drop a name from the game, he should be able to locate it with that.

I know the game but I;m not sure I want to check back, Anyway, I am "AP" and

I am "Judge Joseph Dredd" (I believe the latter is the one in question?)

P.S. I used "latter" correctly!

wait this is you ???

Hahahaha forgot you two also had a game together (Splatoon Mafia)

[skitter30]

i'm not entirely sure how i feel about a50 right now

my gut's kinda telling me he doesn't really act like this as scum unless he was trying to get bussed or somethiing

[skitter30]

or trying to get vigged as bp but i don't know why scum would like aim for that ...

he could be traitor signaling to groupscum maybe?

like unless he had some sort of ulterior motive that i'm not entirely seeing right now i don't think this is how he really plays scum

tbf i don't really follow of his moonlogic or follow it so it's possible he does have some sort motive/plan that i don't really see here

[Almost50]

i don't understand the bolded

Town starts with only 2 TPRs and gain one for each modifier the Mafia picks. If Mafia picked no modifiers we have only 2 TPRs and one is the IC, so we can only have a Goon Cop OR a Roleblocker (or neither) but not both.

So, assuming no modifiers then I'm a GOON, so the Goon Cop can guilty me if they check me.

On the other hand I may have opted to pick a modifier to avoid that, but then the RB will stop me from doing whatever the modifier is supposed to do (except the BP as Vex pointed out). I was thinking of Role Cop and/or JOAT tbh. An active ability in other words. Recruiting the Traitor and/or activating Daytalk doesn't really change my status as a goon. I just missed the BP part (which iirc is a very good pick for scum if they decide to pick just one modifier, so keep that in mind for when we -hopefully- roll scum together in this setup sometime in the future).

[Gamma Emerald]

OK wtf is all this vig talk, I missed something

[Vex Vience]

@skitter my thing that im mainly looking at is: why would town!a50 try to bait vigi shot into him in the first place?
scum!a50, (namely traitor!a50) has a reason to: if he feels that there is no vigi in the game, he can try to act scummy and bait mafia kill into him to try to get them to know that he's the traitor
couple that with the fact that he's refusing to answer my questions, i feel that he's scum here
if he flips town, im saying its a solid throw from him

pedit: exactly what i was thinking, he's traitor
ppedit: hang a50 plz thank me later
pppedit: jfc ninja'd again

[skitter30]

doesn't town start with 3tprs?

or did i just make that up

the only modifer i'd pick here is daytalk tbh

[Almost50]

ike i don't know if this is something you kinda planned so much as realized after the fact, if that makes sense

And you think I do things and THEN realize the consequences of them?? Really????

[Almost50]

I don't think that one is? He can tell me whether it is, he should know which game I'm talking about. I'm going to drop a name from the game, he should be able to locate it with that.

I know the game but I;m not sure I want to check back, Anyway, I am "AP" and

I am "Judge Joseph Dredd" (I believe the latter is the one in question?)

P.S. I used "latter" correctly!

wait this is you ???

Ah-ha!

[ruru]

Also we should be voting on the vig shot and like you could reasonably predict that I'm going to yell at everyone at some point today until it happens

why haven't you pushed for this yet if you think this is a thing we ought to do?

What are you trying to accomplish with this question?

[skitter30]

@skitter my thing that im mainly looking at is: why would town!a50 try to bait vigi shot into him in the first place?
scum!a50, (namely traitor!a50) has a reason to: if he feels that there is no vigi in the game, he can try to act scummy and bait mafia kill into him to try to get them to know that he's the traitor
couple that with the fact that he's refusing to answer my questions, i feel that he's scum here
if he flips town, im saying its a solid throw from him

pedit: exactly what i was thinking, he's traitor
ppedit: hang a50 plz thank me later
pppedit: jfc ninja'd again

why would scum shoot someone they think is the traitor ... that's a dumb waste of a shot imo

and why would traitor!a50 know/think there is/isn't a traitor?

i don't why getting vig-shot is on his mind at all; like taht's not really something i think about most of the time; maybe like at end of day after a flip or something, but it's not really on my mind in middle of the day

i don't think this is how he acts as groupscum at this stage of the game

but if he's traitor signalling ... he's doing a pretty bad job of it and he thinks he just made himself a vig target so why isn't he modulating his behavior here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can someone point me to the start of this vig talk?

[Vex Vience]

Spoiler: updated reads

{creature, myself}

{skitter}

{ruru, enigma}

{mwnn, sky, anti, hws}

- null

{frank, gamma}

{none}

{almost}

- i see no town motive from his recent posts
anti's alignment is also not the same as a50s i think
also starting to like anti a bit
starting to like hws a bit, just want more content from him, (and really all my other nulls). hws is nulltown
everyone else to get a more updated read on id have to do some isodiving

color code:

confirmed/lock town

,

strong town

,

weak town

,

null

,

weak scum

,

strong scum

,

confirmed/lock scum

weak - still unsure about alignment
strong - very certain about what they are

wall comes in about 2 irl days if we dont hang a50 by then
p burnt out from making a case on a50 for 1.5 hrs earlier

doesn't town start with 3tprs?

or did i just make that up

the only modifer i'd pick here is daytalk tbh

only two tprs

[skitter30]

Also we should be voting on the vig shot and like you could reasonably predict that I'm going to yell at everyone at some point today until it happens

why haven't you pushed for this yet if you think this is a thing we ought to do?

What are you trying to accomplish with this question?

because i was skimming some of your other games this morning that i wasn't in and you were town in all of them and you were pretty focused on organizing optimal pr/mechanical play from pretty early on and here you feel more lackadaisical about it which is uncharacteristic of you imo

[Vex Vience]

@skitter my thing that im mainly looking at is: why would town!a50 try to bait vigi shot into him in the first place?
scum!a50, (namely traitor!a50) has a reason to: if he feels that there is no vigi in the game, he can try to act scummy and bait mafia kill into him to try to get them to know that he's the traitor
couple that with the fact that he's refusing to answer my questions, i feel that he's scum here
if he flips town, im saying its a solid throw from him

pedit: exactly what i was thinking, he's traitor
ppedit: hang a50 plz thank me later
pppedit: jfc ninja'd again

why would scum shoot someone they think is the traitor ... that's a dumb waste of a shot imo

and why would traitor!a50 know/think there is/isn't a traitor?

i don't why getting vig-shot is on his mind at all; like taht's not really something i think about most of the time; maybe like at end of day after a flip or something, but it's not really on my mind in middle of the day

i don't think this is how he acts as groupscum at this stage of the game

but if he's traitor signalling ... he's doing a pretty bad job of it and he thinks he just made himself a vig target so why isn't he modulating his behavior here?

if groupscum believe theres no vigi, they can safely hit the traitor and confirm for a fact if they are the traitor or not, no?
who else is gonna nk the traitor?

what do u mean on the bolded part as well?

[Vex Vience]

@gamma this post

[skitter30]

i think it's dumb to use the nk to confirm the existance of a traitor; decent scum ought to be able to find them on play and the nk can be used better killing those peskies townies imo

i haven't done the math or anything but traitors don't know how many mods there are (assuming they weren't recruited, which we're assuming here) but for all the traitor knows there are 5 tprs in play and there's a fairly decent chance one of them is a vig

like i don't know if the traitor would gamble on there not being a vig

they're only 1sbp iirc so if the vig doesn't die the same night they shot them they can always say that their target didn't die the next day (of course there's the chance of rbs, i know)

[skitter30]

or the vig can just shoot them again the next night

[Almost50]

I'm confused

So am I! I don't know why anyone would think of shooting me tbh. I probably am just paranoid and overreacting iirc.

So, who should the Vig be targeting tonight in your view?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would scum!me be baiting the Vig shot at all????

Was this brought up before this point, because this made me think this WASN'T the start.

[Almost50]

coupling this with the case im making on him, i'm 99.9% sure a50 is scum

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, my friend. Make that 90% for your own sake. 80% would make it look even better, while 50% makes you look confused (in a justified way), gets the job done and saves you the headache of the aftermath.

You know what looks even more scummy? THIS:

VOTE: A50

And YES, I have self-voted before as BOTH alignments, and I have even hammered myself as Town on D1 to make a point. We WON that game too!! (I don't remember is it was under AP or JJD though).

[skitter30]

Why would scum!me be baiting the Vig shot at all????

Was this brought up before this point, because this made me think this WASN'T the start.

i don't thikn it was brought up before that, which is why i'm a little bit confused why that's an assumption he's operating off of at all

like i don't think anyone said he was scum baiting a vig shot

p-edit what the fuck are you doing